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Balloonchaser
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:54 am

Is there a chance of Caribbean Airlines either

A.) Going Long Haul Again?

B.) Expanding to another Caribbean Airport as a hub
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:13 am

Balloonchaser wrote:
Is there a chance of Caribbean Airlines either

A.) Going Long Haul Again?

B.) Expanding to another Caribbean Airport as a hub

A) No there is no commercial reason to.
B) No there are no other suitable islands for a hub operation.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:26 am

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Balloonchaser wrote:
So SXM:

This past weekend we saw a lot more cuts for August - February... Why is that? Hotels are back up (somewhat) and the airport is making record recovery..

Why are they cutting more planned service other then trying to revive?


Most hotel rooms aren’t up and running and the majority of the term charter fleet hasn’t been replaced. French side will be lucky to have 25% of their pre-storm hotel rooms. Haven’t seen numbers for the Dutch side, but i suspect it’s about the same.

The airport also isn’t in great shape either. They are still owed significant payments from the local insurer NAGICO which appears to be slowing reconstruction efforts.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:52 am

Thibault973 wrote:
So according to this article http://www.aviationpros.com/news/12415703/copa-airlines-to-commence-suriname-operations-avianca-officials-visiting, Copa is to announce service to PBM, Surinam soon.
CM PTY-PBM now seems more to be a question of when and not why.
It won't be the first time PBM has a flight to PTY as PY briefly flew DC8 to PTY decades ago.
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:32 pm

If anyone is interested, just retuned from my first Caribbean Plus flight.

Lots of legroom, pretty much the same as J.

Decent recline.

Seats are better padded than regular economy.

So overall a good flight.

Only unfortunate thing for CAL, is that I don't think I could ever justify buying or upgrading to a J seat anymore.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:45 pm

baje427 wrote:
For the winter season AA will be adding a third daily BGI-MIA and going daily on the CLT-BGI route. I am kind of surprised to see this expansion to BGI given the economic conditions on the island.



Nothing to do with the local market. Its based on AA expansion. Whether in the case of BGI there is some support is a good question to be asked.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:00 pm

Destinations often provide "marketing support" but are often coy about giving details about it.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:05 pm

gunnerman wrote:
Destinations often provide "marketing support" but are often coy about giving details about it.

For various reasons, the two biggest ones being:

1. Subsidies/revenue guarantees (if the support takes this form) tend to be unpopular with the general public especially when the figures are large.
2. Publicly declaring the form of the support can give competitor tourist markets leverage.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:42 pm

Balloonchaser wrote:
Is there a chance of Caribbean Airlines either
A.) Going Long Haul Again?
B.) Expanding to another Caribbean Airport as a hub


A/ Not anytime soon.
B/ Besides POS and the 'mini-hubs' of KIN & MBJ, highly doubt.
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:12 pm

Now I was looking at AeroMexico’s website and it says SXM in planning. Is it possible that AeroMexico would do MEX-SXM? Would that route be popular?
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:33 am

Mexicans travel to Spanish-speaking places such as HAV and SDQ. It looks unlikely that there will be much of a market to SXM.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:42 pm

Not saying that an SXM market for AM exists (especially after the hurricane) but SXM is pretty multi lingual and already gets many visitors from Latin America.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:18 am

Caribbean Airlines has chosen Bluebox Aviation Systems to provided WiFi across its 748 fleet from August 1st. The new service will be called Caribbean View and will be free to all pax.

https://www.caribbean-airlines.com/#/ca ... eleases/88
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:36 pm

BW's new CEO seems to be quite innovative. I hope this helps their bottom line as T&T's ability to support them diminishes and as they will soon be facing more competition into GEO, possibly resulting in declining yields. This if B6 enters the JFK GEO market.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:46 pm

Some Caribbean aviation news:
D8 has been expanding rapidly in the FWI from North America. French Guiana, Martinique and Guadeloupe are seeing seats from Montreal operated by a B738. In addition FDF and PTP will be tagged to CAY which then will then allow connections to YUL, PVD, FLL and JFK from each respective airport. Possible future of a direct CAY-ORY route?

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... rk-in-w18/

Also, prior to the PTY-BGI inaugural flight, CM has changed their scheduled a/c into BGI from the e190 to the Boeing 737-7/8 until August 28th. This could be a result from the huge advertisement efforts happening over in Panama, as some colleagues reported.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t=barbados
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:53 pm

ANU has 2 Boeing 737 MAX flights today. Both from Sunwing Airlines. First one from YYZ has already landed (Royalton livery), while the second is currently enroute from YUL.
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:01 pm

Fantastic news 817Dreamliiner. I wish I was there now :)


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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:28 pm

817Dreamliiner wrote:
ANU has 2 Boeing 737 MAX flights today. Both from Sunwing Airlines. First one from YYZ has already landed (Royalton livery), while the second is currently enroute from YUL.



Flew the MAX 8 a couple weeks ago on WS from CDG-YHZ..felt no different than WS B738 aircraft. Was a let down really.
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:44 pm

BW600 wrote:
817Dreamliiner wrote:
ANU has 2 Boeing 737 MAX flights today. Both from Sunwing Airlines. First one from YYZ has already landed (Royalton livery), while the second is currently enroute from YUL.



Flew the MAX 8 a couple weeks ago on WS from CDG-YHZ..felt no different than WS B738 aircraft. Was a let down really.


Didn't think the engine sounded similar to a 77W?
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:11 pm

BWA900 wrote:
Some Caribbean aviation news:
D8 has been expanding rapidly in the FWI from North America. French Guiana, Martinique and Guadeloupe are seeing seats from Montreal operated by a B738. In addition FDF and PTP will be tagged to CAY which then will then allow connections to YUL, PVD, FLL and JFK from each respective airport. Possible future of a direct CAY-ORY route?

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... rk-in-w18/

For FDF-CAY the routeing is:
FLL-FDF
FDF-CAY
CAY-FDF
FDF-FLL (early next morning)

For PTP-CAY the routeing is:
FLL-PTP
PTP-CAY
CAY-PTP
PTP-FLL (early next morning)

It looks odd that here isn't a single flight number for the CAY flights, e.g. I would have expected D84955 for FLL-FDF-CAY but we have D84955 for FLL-FDF and D84964 for FDF-CAY.

BWA900 wrote:
Possible future of a direct CAY-ORY route? /

ORY-CAY is served by TX and AF, both six times a week, not sure if there is room for another airline.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:35 pm

BW610 wrote:
If anyone is interested, just retuned from my first Caribbean Plus flight.

Lots of legroom, pretty much the same as J.

Decent recline.

Seats are better padded than regular economy.

So overall a good flight.

Only unfortunate thing for CAL, is that I don't think I could ever justify buying or upgrading to a J seat anymore.


That was the point of introducing Premium economy, I remembered years ago that it was said MIA, YYZ and POS-KIN were the only routes where Business was consistently in high demand. JFK, FLL, MCO and GEO where CAL runs multiple 737 flights per day is where demand for business service was low and free upgrades were given. In order to tighten the upgrades on these routes it was recommended by the consultants to reduce Business and introduce premium economy, more so they should have increased Y to 140 and J at 12. CAL was inefficient in using its space on the 737 while everyone and their mother was getting a free ride in business.
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:38 pm

guyanam wrote:
BW's new CEO seems to be quite innovative. I hope this helps their bottom line as T&T's ability to support them diminishes and as they will soon be facing more competition into GEO, possibly resulting in declining yields. This if B6 enters the JFK GEO market.


Hopefully its for the better, the a/cs are really dated now and I don't believe the seats (Other than Premium Economy) will be updated since they sent out a RFP a couple of months ago, and it is said they are considering proposals from Airbus and Boeing for NEOs or MAX. I expect CAL to stay with Boeing but who knows what Airbus will give them.
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:48 pm

817Dreamliiner wrote:
ANU has 2 Boeing 737 MAX flights today. Both from Sunwing Airlines. First one from YYZ has already landed (Royalton livery), while the second is currently enroute from YUL.


BW600 wrote:
Flew the MAX 8 a couple weeks ago on WS from CDG-YHZ..felt no different than WS B738 aircraft. Was a let down really.


It really is only the engines that changed, wiglets and some small aerodynamics additions, however AAs is really tight in seating and the bad news is they are configuring the 737NG and Airbus A321 with the same seating pitch to standardize the fleet.

BWA900 wrote:
Also, prior to the PTY-BGI inaugural flight, CM has changed their scheduled a/c into BGI from the e190 to the Boeing 737-7/8 until August 28th. This could be a result from the huge advertisement efforts happening over in Panama, as some colleagues reported.


Great news, so CM will take over where Avianca left due to the Venezuelan dispute with Columbia.
Balloonchaser wrote:
Now I was looking at AeroMexico’s website and it says SXM in planning. Is it possible that AeroMexico would do MEX-SXM? Would that route be popular?


SXM has a good history with Latin American pax, however I'm not sure how much demand there is from Mexico unless they want to connect Asian and west cost flights to that flight?
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:50 pm

BWA900 wrote:
Some Caribbean aviation news:

Also, prior to the PTY-BGI inaugural flight, CM has changed their scheduled a/c into BGI from the e190 to the Boeing 737-7/8 until August 28th. This could be a result from the huge advertisement efforts happening over in Panama, as some colleagues reported.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t=barbados


Initial bookings have been strong. Don't be surprised if BGI follows their AUA model where it is a lot of west coast connecting taking advantage of the pricing, free bag and schedule. plus the added bonus of avoiding MIA transit .
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:11 am

caribbean484 wrote:
guyanam wrote:
BW's new CEO seems to be quite innovative. I hope this helps their bottom line as T&T's ability to support them diminishes and as they will soon be facing more competition into GEO, possibly resulting in declining yields. This if B6 enters the JFK GEO market.


Hopefully its for the better, the a/cs are really dated now and I don't believe the seats (Other than Premium Economy) will be updated since they sent out a RFP a couple of months ago, and it is said they are considering proposals from Airbus and Boeing for NEOs or MAX. I expect CAL to stay with Boeing but who knows what Airbus will give them.


whether BW goes with the 320Neo or Max8, I think they must consider a few frames in the larger variants as well (321neo & Max10)
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:54 pm

caribbean484 wrote:
BW610 wrote:
If anyone is interested, just retuned from my first Caribbean Plus flight.

Lots of legroom, pretty much the same as J.

Decent recline.

Seats are better padded than regular economy.

So overall a good flight.

Only unfortunate thing for CAL, is that I don't think I could ever justify buying or upgrading to a J seat anymore.


That was the point of introducing Premium economy, I remembered years ago that it was said MIA, YYZ and POS-KIN were the only routes where Business was consistently in high demand. JFK, FLL, MCO and GEO where CAL runs multiple 737 flights per day is where demand for business service was low and free upgrades were given. In order to tighten the upgrades on these routes it was recommended by the consultants to reduce Business and introduce premium economy, more so they should have increased Y to 140 and J at 12. CAL was inefficient in using its space on the 737 while everyone and their mother was getting a free ride in business.


I think their only mistake was going from 154 seats to 150.

Economy should have been properly reconfigured, with maybe a slightly small Premium economy cabin.

On both my flights, the majority in Premium where upgrades as well.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:27 pm

A while ago there was much debate on whether it is a good idea to operate regional jets in the Caribbean. Now InterCaribbean and WesternAir have both acquired the ERJ145 to use on their route networks. What everyones opinion on those acquisitions.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:00 pm

beeweel15 wrote:
A while ago there was much debate on whether it is a good idea to operate regional jets in the Caribbean. Now InterCaribbean and WesternAir have both acquired the ERJ145 to use on their route networks. What everyones opinion on those acquisitions.


CM has operated Regional jets in the Caribbean for some time NAS, POS, BZE, KIN, MBJ, SXM, AUA, CUR all see them or have seen CM E-jets at some point. E145s are pretty cheap right now, so should be low risk for those carriers.

Even AA has started using E175s to some Caribbean and Central American destinations from MIA. And IIRC AMs new MEX PUJ service is E195.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:10 pm

yellowtail wrote:
beeweel15 wrote:
A while ago there was much debate on whether it is a good idea to operate regional jets in the Caribbean. Now InterCaribbean and WesternAir have both acquired the ERJ145 to use on their route networks. What everyones opinion on those acquisitions.


CM has operated Regional jets in the Caribbean for some time NAS, POS, BZE, KIN, MBJ, SXM, AUA, CUR all see them or have seen CM E-jets at some point. E145s are pretty cheap right now, so should be low risk for those carriers.

Even AA has started using E175s to some Caribbean and Central American destinations from MIA. And IIRC AMs new MEX PUJ service is E195.
The difference is that they operate from outside the region to the region using regional jets. The criticism re regional jets was for island hopping operations entirely within the region because of the higher cost of operation vs props and the wear and tear on the aircraft due to high frequency ops without much of a speed advantage due to short length of flights.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:54 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
yellowtail wrote:
beeweel15 wrote:
A while ago there was much debate on whether it is a good idea to operate regional jets in the Caribbean. Now InterCaribbean and WesternAir have both acquired the ERJ145 to use on their route networks. What everyones opinion on those acquisitions.


CM has operated Regional jets in the Caribbean for some time NAS, POS, BZE, KIN, MBJ, SXM, AUA, CUR all see them or have seen CM E-jets at some point. E145s are pretty cheap right now, so should be low risk for those carriers.

Even AA has started using E175s to some Caribbean and Central American destinations from MIA. And IIRC AMs new MEX PUJ service is E195.
The difference is that they operate from outside the region to the region using regional jets. The criticism re regional jets was for island hopping operations entirely within the region because of the higher cost of operation vs props and the wear and tear on the aircraft due to high frequency ops without much of a speed advantage due to short length of flights.



Maybe Inter Carib can use these jets on the longer stretches where jets have been used in the past. They have a base in SDQ and that would be ideal for flights to the AUA/CUR and to SXM. They seem interested in adding SDQ KIN. Not sure that Jamaicans are that enthused by turbo props. I think that Inter Carib is more sophisticated than the Dominican carriers and opportunities exist due to the PAWA/Insel fiascos.

The increase in travel from SDQ to other parts of the Caribbean seems quite impressive. Not only are there Dominicano populations throughout but there are also increasing business ties. SDQ POS might begin to make sense. BW I suspect will not do it as their 738s are too big, and they have a shortage of ATRs.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:51 pm

For island hopping, it's a no brainer to use turboprops which are designed for precisely this sort of short flights and possibly short runways as well. Does anyone remember Carib Express which lasted just 14 months until April 1996? I used them on a BGI-SLU return journey on the BAe 146-100, and couldn't help thinking how hard it must be to make money especially on flights with many empty seats.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:54 am

gunnerman wrote:
For island hopping, it's a no brainer to use turboprops which are designed for precisely this sort of short flights and possibly short runways as well. Does anyone remember Carib Express which lasted just 14 months until April 1996? I used them on a BGI-SLU return journey on the BAe 146-100, and couldn't help thinking how hard it must be to make money especially on flights with many empty seats.



Yes I remember them. A problem that they had was that the planes were too large so a flight had to go BGI SLU SVD and so LI beat them by flying BGI SVD nonstop. Redjet was even more ridiculous with their MD80 planes.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:55 pm

beeweel15 wrote:
A while ago there was much debate on whether it is a good idea to operate regional jets in the Caribbean. Now InterCaribbean and WesternAir have both acquired the ERJ145 to use on their route networks. What everyones opinion on those acquisitions.


Unless the routes operates in lengths greater than 500nm, it is really unprofitable to run RJs within the Caribbean, given the very short stage lengths. LI for instance can maybe use the RJ between POS-GEO-ANU-SXM or SDQ, however you are also introducing a new fleet into the airline and the number of hours required to keep them in the air profitable may just cause the airline higher CASM.

CM is able to it as we see that they operate these jets on "long" thin regional routes; PTY-POS (1075nm), PTY-KIN (550nm), PTY-MBJ (560nm) etc
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:03 pm

How long before CM tries PTY UVF?

Looks like the Antilles are about to get another storm. though nowhere on the scale of 2017, prayers to all.
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:40 pm

Curacao seems to be courting BW to begin flights to CUR from POS. BWIA flew this route in the past with the Dash 8 and later on with the B738 continuing on to SDQ I believe.

“The other reason we came here was to meet with Caribbean Airlines (CAL) and that we did as we got off the plane. Together with our Minister of Economic Development Steven Martina and the Ambassador of the Dutch Kingdom, stationed here in TT, Jules Bijl, we met with CAL CEO Garvin Madera. We had a very good meeting we gave the figures of arrival tourists, where they are staying, bookings with travel agencies, and information from Curinde (Curacao Industrial and International Trade Development Company) and they were very impressed with the TT visitors of the free zone.”



https://newsday.co.tt/2018/07/09/airlif ... -business/
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:18 pm

Isn't Inter Caribbean planning to use the E145 on the longer routes as well as expansion? I would think if they plan on using them on 30 minute hops they might run into some trouble. I would not consider the E190 CM uses a regional jet to be honest.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:58 pm

An E190 in the Inter Caribbean livery would be very nice in my opinion.

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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:29 pm

BW600 wrote:
Curacao seems to be courting BW to begin flights to CUR from POS. BWIA flew this route in the past with the Dash 8 and later on with the B738 continuing on to SDQ I believe.

“The other reason we came here was to meet with Caribbean Airlines (CAL) and that we did as we got off the plane. Together with our Minister of Economic Development Steven Martina and the Ambassador of the Dutch Kingdom, stationed here in TT, Jules Bijl, we met with CAL CEO Garvin Madera. We had a very good meeting we gave the figures of arrival tourists, where they are staying, bookings with travel agencies, and information from Curinde (Curacao Industrial and International Trade Development Company) and they were very impressed with the TT visitors of the free zone.”



https://newsday.co.tt/2018/07/09/airlif ... -business/



It will be interesting given T&T's diminished economy. What I found interesting was that PY didn't increase frequencies on this route when Insel abandoned it. Is there really all the demand that some insist that there is? Or just nostalgia for an era when T&Ts economy was stronger so there was more "discretionary" travel?
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:58 pm

guyanam wrote:
It will be interesting given T&T's diminished economy. What I found interesting was that PY didn't increase frequencies on this route when Insel abandoned it. Is there really all the demand that some insist that there is? Or just nostalgia for an era when T&Ts economy was stronger so there was more "discretionary" travel?


As diminished as it might be due to the drop in oil prices, the T&T economy remains quite robust and businesses (albeit not all) are stronger today than they were two or three years ago.
The structural adjustment that took place over the past three (3) years has almost by accident led to a resurgence or private-sector led growth (whether that was Government's aim or not) as Government focused on stabilization and everyone else focused on survival.

Trinidad remains a regional powerhouse and a hub for regional business. To put it bluntly, even when the economy falls 2 or 3 notches, when you are 10 notches ahead of the pack to begin with, you're still 7 or 8 ahead now, especially since with the exception of Guyana in the English-speaking Caribbean nobody else has climed even a full notch on the ladder, and even Guyana's climb is debatable at this point, 2 years out from first oil.

Leisure travel and business travel remain strong- just ask JetBlue, American, LIAT and Caribbean Airlines.

It makes perfect sense for the Curacao officials to want a regular, dependable service on the POS-CUR route as POS is an important destination in the southern Caribbean.

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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:29 pm

aa1818 wrote:
As diminished as it might be due to the drop in oil prices, the T&T economy remains quite robust and businesses (albeit not all) are stronger today than they were two or three years ago.
.

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While all of that is true it still doesn't explain why PY didn't add service on the POS CUR to offset seats lost when Insel dropped the route. PY has a problem and that is the fact that PBM is poorly integrated into the rest of the Americas so they need to generate service out of other markets if they are to see proper utilization of their fleet. So one would think that PY would jump into that market if it was consistently under served.


Btw there are fewer seats this summer from POS to the USA, so there must be some softness in the T&T travel market. In fact BW seems to be looking to fill seats as they schedule extra stops in GND and even BGI on a few of its JFK POS flights to cater to the peak travel periods to those islands. Their new JFK SVD is a carve out of existing JFK POS flights so this also must reduce seats on the JFK POS. Its JFK GEO service is intact. FLL POS has also seen reduction in nonpeak periods as JFK has as well.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:18 am

baje427 wrote:
Isn't Inter Caribbean planning to use the E145 on the longer routes as well as expansion? I would think if they plan on using them on 30 minute hops they might run into some trouble. I would not consider the E190 CM uses a regional jet to be honest.


InterCaribbean is using the E145 on their upcoming EIS-SDQ-KIN service.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:33 am

yellowtail wrote:
How long before CM tries PTY UVF?

Looks like the Antilles are about to get another storm. though nowhere on the scale of 2017, prayers to all.


Is there an adequate market between these two?
UVF has grown fast and would need such a route, especially after its long awaited expansion.
 
baje427
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:11 pm

Well those are pretty decent stage lengths I think the E145 would also work on a POS-SDQ route.
dominicl316 wrote:
baje427 wrote:
Isn't Inter Caribbean planning to use the E145 on the longer routes as well as expansion? I would think if they plan on using them on 30 minute hops they might run into some trouble. I would not consider the E190 CM uses a regional jet to be honest.


InterCaribbean is using the E145 on their upcoming EIS-SDQ-KIN service.
 
baje427
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:15 pm

Nice to see the CM flight being upgraded CM has been advertising heavily on radio here in BGI selfishly I hope my flight remains the E190 as I have never been on one.

BWA900 wrote:
Some Caribbean aviation news:
D8 has been expanding rapidly in the FWI from North America. French Guiana, Martinique and Guadeloupe are seeing seats from Montreal operated by a B738. In addition FDF and PTP will be tagged to CAY which then will then allow connections to YUL, PVD, FLL and JFK from each respective airport. Possible future of a direct CAY-ORY route?

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... rk-in-w18/

Also, prior to the PTY-BGI inaugural flight, CM has changed their scheduled a/c into BGI from the e190 to the Boeing 737-7/8 until August 28th. This could be a result from the huge advertisement efforts happening over in Panama, as some colleagues reported.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t=barbados
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:56 pm

Some of the CM PTY-BGI-PTY flights are still operated by the E190, but most are now B737's. Expect this trend to continue although I would prefer to see an extra day E190 over the upgauge. Hopefully by Winter 2018/19 they will increase the frequency to 3 or 4 days per week.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:39 pm

CM's inaugural flight to BGI touched down yesterday captained by two Bajans hopefully this route sticks around they had 144 passengers on the inbound and apparently left full on the outbound.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:42 pm

Two Bajan pilots. That is interesting. I wonder how they ended up there. If the first outbound was full that means that Bajans are also using the flight.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:29 am

guyanam wrote:
Two Bajan pilots. That is interesting. I wonder how they ended up there. If the first outbound was full that means that Bajans are also using the flight.
Not sure if the pilots were actually born and raised bajans or Panamanian children/grandchildren/greatgrandchildren of bajans.
When CM started GEO, the initial flight was actually dedicated to a born and raised CM Guyanese pilot and his daugher was the honoured passeneger.
When opening a new route, CM loves to find links between its staff and the newly opened destination as a way to make them feel more familiar with the company.
Zidane wrote:
yellowtail wrote:
How long before CM tries PTY UVF?

Looks like the Antilles are about to get another storm. though nowhere on the scale of 2017, prayers to all.


Is there an adequate market between these two?
UVF has grown fast and would need such a route, especially after its long awaited expansion.
Part of the due dilligence of starting GEO, CM studied the % of GEO passenegers on its POS flights. IMHO, if there’s a sizable % of St Lucians on CM POS/BGI flights is ok to think UVF might be on CM radar.
That¨s not what I would think of CM with AF code-share to Martinique and/or Guadeloupe. PBM might stand a chance of making it to CM network faster than the French Antilles.
I'm not on CM's payroll.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:25 pm

To my knowledge both were born and raised in Barbados one of the captains was a national swimmer. The tourism minister is already in talks to have CM increase its frequency to four weekly as load factors for the flights are in the high 90's for the next couple months.
http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/ne ... ma-flights

2travel2know2 wrote:
guyanam wrote:
Two Bajan pilots. That is interesting. I wonder how they ended up there. If the first outbound was full that means that Bajans are also using the flight.
Not sure if the pilots were actually born and raised bajans or Panamanian children/grandchildren/greatgrandchildren of bajans.
When CM started GEO, the initial flight was actually dedicated to a born and raised CM Guyanese pilot and his daugher was the honoured passeneger.
When opening a new route, CM loves to find links between its staff and the newly opened destination as a way to make them feel more familiar with the company.
Zidane wrote:
yellowtail wrote:
How long before CM tries PTY UVF?

Looks like the Antilles are about to get another storm. though nowhere on the scale of 2017, prayers to all.


Is there an adequate market between these two?
UVF has grown fast and would need such a route, especially after its long awaited expansion.
Part of the due dilligence of starting GEO, CM studied the % of GEO passenegers on its POS flights. IMHO, if there’s a sizable % of St Lucians on CM POS/BGI flights is ok to think UVF might be on CM radar.
That¨s not what I would think of CM with AF code-share to Martinique and/or Guadeloupe. PBM might stand a chance of making it to CM network faster than the French Antilles.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:22 pm

guyanam wrote:
Two Bajan pilots. That is interesting. I wonder how they ended up there. If the first outbound was full that means that Bajans are also using the flight.


CM actually does a relatively decent job of recruiting Caribbean pilots. It's also a great airline to get your start flying jets so many pilots who are used to the prop life go over there when they are ready to make that switch.
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