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jmdc861 wrote:First it was CAL dropping its FLL-MBJ after the 1st of the year, now in a major re-alignment of their worldwide system, AA has announced the ending of its non-stop JFK to PAP daily and the big surprise is the end of its 2 daily non-stops FLL to PAP. Spirit aside in FLL, B6 will be the only other option to PAP and now B6 will have a monopoly on JFK to PAP service as well. Watch the fares rise and the service on B6 deteriorate even further.
jmdc861 wrote:B6 will be the only other option to PAP and now B6 will have a monopoly on JFK to PAP service as well. Watch the fares rise and the service on B6 deteriorate even further.
georgiabill wrote:How is Insel doing? At some point if they survive they will need to bring in airliners to replace their ageing maddogs. Any chance they might look at A220 series airliners to build their future fleet?
Brickell305 wrote:jmdc861 wrote:First it was CAL dropping its FLL-MBJ after the 1st of the year, now in a major re-alignment of their worldwide system, AA has announced the ending of its non-stop JFK to PAP daily and the big surprise is the end of its 2 daily non-stops FLL to PAP. Spirit aside in FLL, B6 will be the only other option to PAP and now B6 will have a monopoly on JFK to PAP service as well. Watch the fares rise and the service on B6 deteriorate even further.
Just for clarity on FLL-PAP, AA will still be serving MIA-PAP which also has AF on the route. Those flights very much do compete with the FLL services from B6/NK. For many So. Fla based people who fly this route, the difference in distance to either airport is negligible and choices will be based on price, schedule, airline preference, etc. All said to say that the reduction in capacity may cause fares to rise somewhat, likely across all airlines, but all the airlines serving the South Florida-PAP market will still likely keep each other in check similar to what occurs on So Fla-BGI with AA from MIA and B6 from FLL.
jmdc861 wrote:Brickell305 wrote:jmdc861 wrote:First it was CAL dropping its FLL-MBJ after the 1st of the year, now in a major re-alignment of their worldwide system, AA has announced the ending of its non-stop JFK to PAP daily and the big surprise is the end of its 2 daily non-stops FLL to PAP. Spirit aside in FLL, B6 will be the only other option to PAP and now B6 will have a monopoly on JFK to PAP service as well. Watch the fares rise and the service on B6 deteriorate even further.
Just for clarity on FLL-PAP, AA will still be serving MIA-PAP which also has AF on the route. Those flights very much do compete with the FLL services from B6/NK. For many So. Fla based people who fly this route, the difference in distance to either airport is negligible and choices will be based on price, schedule, airline preference, etc. All said to say that the reduction in capacity may cause fares to rise somewhat, likely across all airlines, but all the airlines serving the South Florida-PAP market will still likely keep each other in check similar to what occurs on So Fla-BGI with AA from MIA and B6 from FLL.
I believe you are overestimating that people have no problem with either of the airports and that the "difference is negligible". Unless the $ difference is $100 less on a per person basis from MIA (where pricing has actually been routinely higher) the Palm Beach as well as Broward County folks will stay with FLL. People are spoiled and don't want to go any further than they have to. Just ask any New Yorker as well when offered the choice of LGA or JFK. They will have a stroke on the thought of leaving from the latter, that difference being only 9 miles.
gunnerman wrote:Long-haul for little Caribbean airlines like BW and JM has ended badly, there are several posts in this and other forums as to the reasons why. An end-of-line carrier like BW will always struggle against the big boys, better to focus on what is profitable.
time2lyme wrote:A short while ago someone posted that BW has put out an RFQ for a new fleet. Reading on other forums about the Airbus321ULR and B737max9/10 and has got me thinking about trip/route costs and expansion opportunities. Could a fleet of a mix of 320neo/321neo or 7M8/7M9/7M10 allow the profitable re-introduction of routes like GEO/YYZ direct and Caribbean/Europe.
time2lyme wrote:I know lots of people on here diss Europe, but the service on BA is pretty poor (not done Virgin) and likely to get worse (10 abreast), and these aircraft are designed for long/thin routes which would likely allow near daily with a creative route structure involving maybe POS, GEO, KIN, BGI, SLU, ANU
gunnerman wrote:Long-haul for little Caribbean airlines like BW and JM has ended badly, there are several posts in this and other forums as to the reasons why. An end-of-line carrier like BW will always struggle against the big boys, better to focus on what is profitable.
captaink wrote:I always wonder how not being part of an alliance hurts BW. Flying and choosing BW as a preferred carrier is a hard sell for me because of this. No codeshares, no interline baggage agreements, no miles, no lounge access for elites. What happened to their supposed courting of Star Alliance?
gunnerman wrote:WINAIR lost one million Euros in 2017
https://www.thedailyherald.sx/islands/80048-winair-had-shortfall-of-1-million-euros-in-2017
This was blamed on hurricanes Irma and Maria which certainly caused huge damage, but as the load factor in 2016 was 56% it is clear that the airline already had problems before the hurricanes.
gunnerman wrote:WINAIR has a history of losing a lot of money, although there were moves after October 2010 to address this by big staff cuts, sale and leaseback of aircraft and termination loss-making routes. As the industry average load factor is around 80%, anything in the mid-50s has to be regarded as most unsatisfactory.
gunnerman wrote:Unless there has been a change, I've had to clear Immigration and Customs before boarding my connecting flight. If your bag isn't through-checked to final destination you'll have to collect it at POS, another hassle so check your baggage tag on check-in.
guyanam wrote:303dk wrote:xdlx wrote:The only way Seaborne could resemble the shadow of Executive.... is to go beyond 12-16 frames and create a feedstock into SJU.
They also would need international to international visa-free connections. The airport has room to build it, but I don’t see it happening.
SJU as a hub is never going to happen again. As it is most of the intransit activity thru SJU is tied to people travelling to the USVI/BVI. Aside from tiny markets like AXA, SBH, NEV, and DOM there is no longer need for SJU, other than thru to the VI.
xdlx wrote:guyanam wrote:303dk wrote:
They also would need international to international visa-free connections. The airport has room to build it, but I don’t see it happening.
SJU as a hub is never going to happen again. As it is most of the intransit activity thru SJU is tied to people travelling to the USVI/BVI. Aside from tiny markets like AXA, SBH, NEV, and DOM there is no longer need for SJU, other than thru to the VI.
SJU could be a viable MINI DXB if they brought HIGH END DUTY FREE SHOPPING with a STERILE AREA FOR CONNECTING TRAFFIC.
baje427 wrote:gunnerman wrote:Unless there has been a change, I've had to clear Immigration and Customs before boarding my connecting flight. If your bag isn't through-checked to final destination you'll have to collect it at POS, another hassle so check your baggage tag on check-in.
Thanks I somehow hoped this would not be the case kind of wishing now I did a non stop flight instead.
xdlx wrote:guyanam wrote:303dk wrote:
They also would need international to international visa-free connections. The airport has room to build it, but I don’t see it happening.
SJU as a hub is never going to happen again. As it is most of the intransit activity thru SJU is tied to people travelling to the USVI/BVI. Aside from tiny markets like AXA, SBH, NEV, and DOM there is no longer need for SJU, other than thru to the VI.
SJU could be a viable MINI DXB if they brought HIGH END DUTY FREE SHOPPING with a STERILE AREA FOR CONNECTING TRAFFIC.
baje427 wrote:Quick question if transiting POS from the US and going onto another regional destination do you have to clear customs similar to MIA?
baje427 wrote:Quick question if transiting POS from the US and going onto another regional destination do you have to clear customs similar to MIA?
LimaFoxTango wrote:baje427 wrote:Quick question if transiting POS from the US and going onto another regional destination do you have to clear customs similar to MIA?
If you're on BW no, otherwise yes.
A388 wrote:Hi everybody,
Does Caribbean Airlines have any plans to start POS-CUR flights this year? There was a rumor of them wanting to start this route in December(?)
Cheers,
A388
guyanam wrote:A388 wrote:Hi everybody,
Does Caribbean Airlines have any plans to start POS-CUR flights this year? There was a rumor of them wanting to start this route in December(?)
Cheers,
A388
They cannot start any new routes with their ATRs because of their TAB service problems. The question is whether the route can support 738 flights. CUR is a business/quick shopping destination so frequencies are important. Unless the PY flights are always fully booked not sure that BW will look at it.
A388 wrote:guyanam wrote:A388 wrote:Hi everybody,
however, try to tap in to the PBM market to have them connect in POS to fill the airplane. Maybe then the route will perform better.
A388
baje427 wrote:xdlx wrote:guyanam wrote:
SJU as a hub is never going to happen again. As it is most of the intransit activity thru SJU is tied to people travelling to the USVI/BVI. Aside from tiny markets like AXA, SBH, NEV, and DOM there is no longer need for SJU, other than thru to the VI.
SJU could be a viable MINI DXB if they brought HIGH END DUTY FREE SHOPPING with a STERILE AREA FOR CONNECTING TRAFFIC.
That would not help to be honest, most of the region now has direct services to the States there is no need to connect through SJU. Also AA and B6 has scaled back ops in SJU.
guyanam wrote:A388 wrote:guyanam wrote:
Doesn't PY already serve this market, and likely to be preferred by Surinamers (yes I know that Insel is back...…..but I expect they have lost much of their credibility)?
Maybe if there is a GEO/BGI market to supplement that out of POS. Depends on where those who cannot/ don't want to get a US visa shop. Used to be SXM but they might be out for a bit. PTY is probably picking up much of this.
baje427 wrote:Is there really a need for BW to fly to CUR? Perhaps with the draw down on the Jamaican flights they will have some slackness in the fleet to try some other routes however, its been shown regional travel is not a profitable endeavor in this region.