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United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:39 pm

A couple of times I have been at Heathrow on a Sunday night and seen some United planes that appear to be remaining overnight. Does anybody know if United have any
planes that remain overnight at Heathrow?
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:49 pm

The airplanes which operate daylight IADLHR and EWRLHR (UA122 and UA934 respectively) will RON at LHR and make up early westbound flights the next day.
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:52 pm

Must be a slot thing.

You need to use an early morning slot and it’s simply too early to turn a plane

Or

The landing slot is too late to effectively turn airplane for an effective flight to US
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:54 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Must be a slot thing.

You need to use an early morning slot and it’s simply too early to turn a plane

Or

The landing slot is too late to effectively turn airplane for an effective flight to US


And/or, there is (and long has been) demand, in select markets - historically JFK/EWR, BOS, IAD, ORD and YYZ - for eastbound daylight flights to LHR.
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:17 pm

Ah that makes sense. Thanks for explaining it
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:21 pm

They're the two United transatlantic services to LHR that fly during the day. They land in the evening and both depart back to the east coast the following morning.
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:47 pm

I often take the daylight flight to LHR. I realize it’s a day killer, but I love to fly, so it’s not a waste of a day for me...plus it is much better for jet lag reduction.
Get to your hotel by 10:30pm and go to sleep at 12ish, wake up almost adjusted.
I wish there was a very late departure though, even if it got into NYC at 1am. I could do a client dinner, then make the flight home.
What time is the latest flight to NYC out of LHR?
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:01 pm

No time for a client dinner.

VS025 LHR 3 JFK 4 2005-2315
BA183 LHR 5 JFK 7 1950-2240
AA141 LHR 3 JFK 8 1925-2235
UA921 LHR 2 EWR B 1800-2150
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:02 pm

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VC10er wrote:
I often take the daylight flight to LHR. I realize it’s a day killer, but I love to fly, so it’s not a waste of a day for me...plus it is much better for jet lag reduction.
Get to your hotel by 10:30pm and go to sleep at 12ish, wake up almost adjusted.
I wish there was a very late departure though, even if it got into NYC at 1am. I could do a client dinner, then make the flight home.
What time is the latest flight to NYC out of LHR?

A quick.m check if google flights shows a 1950
Departure on BA and a 2010 departure on VS. Get in at 2230 and 2305 respectively.
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:03 pm

I'm not sure about VS/DL, but BA's latest LHR-JFK is BA183 leaving at 19:50 and arriving into JFK at 22:40.
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:14 pm

gunnerman wrote:
No time for a client dinner.

VS025 LHR 3 JFK 4 2005-2315
BA183 LHR 5 JFK 7 1950-2240
AA141 LHR 3 JFK 8 1925-2235
UA921 LHR 2 EWR B 1800-2150

Make it a client lunch instead
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:19 pm

Last year I had a 10 pm departure from LHR to DOH, I was surprised to see at least three UA A/C as well. Interesting. But somehow logical that these daylight eastbound flights stay overnight.
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:01 pm

United isn't the only airline to overnight planes or leave them on the ground for a long time. Sometimes, planes are left on the ground for a long time because they depart overnight, spend the day at the airport, and arrive in the early morning. Europe-South Africa is an market where that happens frequently for example.
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:15 pm

AA used to have a late departure from MIA to GND, overnight, and return early the next day to MIA. Now it's done in the same day.
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:23 pm

Wouldn't that be crazy expensive at an airport like LHR ?

Or is parking on the apron not the same cost as a gate slot (ie: do the airlines only pay for the time they are using a gate?)

Same question I guess for the airlines that park their planes all day long at airports like GRU, EZE or JNB
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:46 pm

There are a five non BA US and Canadian night stoppers.
AC868 YYZ-LHR B789
AA090 ORD-LHR B788
AA142 JFK-LHR B772
UA934 EWR-LHR B764
UA122 IAD-LHR B752
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:56 pm

gunnerman wrote:
No time for a client dinner.

VS025 LHR 3 JFK 4 2005-2315
BA183 LHR 5 JFK 7 1950-2240
AA141 LHR 3 JFK 8 1925-2235
UA921 LHR 2 EWR B 1800-2150

But the OP was asking about planes overnighting at LHR not JFK. The plane operating BA183 for example will operate back to LHR the next morning as BA178 (arriving at LHR in the evening).

The attraction of the late departures out of LHR heading West could be pretty much a full day in the office in London, unwind on the plane then head straight to the hotel (and bed) in NYC where you should be pretty much ready for a day in the office.
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:00 pm

If a real late LHR departure was profitable it would have been running for years. The most heavily traveled
route over the Atlantic the carriers know what works. Too much arm chair running of airlines on this forum possibly?
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:13 pm

FlyCaledonian wrote:
gunnerman wrote:
No time for a client dinner.

VS025 LHR 3 JFK 4 2005-2315
BA183 LHR 5 JFK 7 1950-2240
AA141 LHR 3 JFK 8 1925-2235
UA921 LHR 2 EWR B 1800-2150

But the OP was asking about planes overnighting at LHR not JFK. The plane operating BA183 for example will operate back to LHR the next morning as BA178 (arriving at LHR in the evening).

The attraction of the late departures out of LHR heading West could be pretty much a full day in the office in London, unwind on the plane then head straight to the hotel (and bed) in NYC where you should be pretty much ready for a day in the office.

I wasn't posting about overnighting, the question from VC10er was: "What time is the latest flight to NYC out of LHR?".
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:31 pm

alan3 wrote:
Wouldn't that be crazy expensive at an airport like LHR ?

Or is parking on the apron not the same cost as a gate slot (ie: do the airlines only pay for the time they are using a gate?)

Same question I guess for the airlines that park their planes all day long at airports like GRU, EZE or JNB


According to this for LHR (2014 I know, but probably indicative)

https://www.heathrow.com/file_source/Co ... il2014.pdf

the parking is free between 2200 and 0559, see section 3.2

edit

same in the 2017 draft document

https://www.heathrow.com/file_source/Co ... t-2017.pdf
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:41 pm

It’s never my idea for dinner- it’s almost always the client! But I’ll try. An additional night in a good London hotel is EXPENSIVE! (Off topic but United Hemispheres/Rapsody featured a new hotel in London called “The Curtain”. It’s spectacular!)
Somewhat closer to topic, when United can offer all Polaris to LHR, plus their club there, I think their reputation USA/LHR will greatly improve. Especially if on a 787-10.
But I cannot imagine UA leaving one parked all night. (Although they used to leave on parked all day long at GIG)
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:08 pm

gunnerman wrote:
No time for a client dinner.

VS025 LHR 3 JFK 4 2005-2315
BA183 LHR 5 JFK 7 1950-2240
AA141 LHR 3 JFK 8 1925-2235
UA921 LHR 2 EWR B 1800-2150


Still better to get in a decent night's sleep then a full business (or tourist) day the next. I'd take a daylight flight any day versus over-night.
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:09 pm

VC10er wrote:
But I cannot imagine UA leaving one parked all night. (Although they used to leave on parked all day long at GIG)

Didn't we establish they park two overnight at LHR?
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:28 pm

skipness1E wrote:
VC10er wrote:
But I cannot imagine UA leaving one parked all night. (Although they used to leave on parked all day long at GIG)

Didn't we establish they park two overnight at LHR?


I was speaking figuratively about leaving an expensive new 787 parked over night or all day. Be it 2 or more, or even just one.
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:39 pm

VC10er wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
VC10er wrote:
But I cannot imagine UA leaving one parked all night. (Although they used to leave on parked all day long at GIG)

Didn't we establish they park two overnight at LHR?


I was speaking figuratively about leaving an expensive new 787 parked over night or all day. Be it 2 or more, or even just one.


no 787. One 767 from EWR and one 757 from IAD.
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:03 pm

Don't forget the fact that LHR is a both a UA crew base, and also meaningful techops base and performs A&B checks.
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:45 am

bevan7 wrote:
A couple of times I have been at Heathrow on a Sunday night and seen some United planes that appear to be remaining overnight. Does anybody know if United have any
planes that remain overnight at Heathrow?


Regarding your last sentence I think that you answered your own question in your first sentence!


Your see several long haul aircraft from certain airlines overnighting at LHR.

Back in the days of Continental at LGW the daytime flight from EWR to LGW used to overnight LGW so it's nothing new with United doing the same at LHR.
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:56 am

I thought a few years back AA offered a 10pm departure from LHR to JFK. Whether the case or not, it doesn't exist now.

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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:29 am

one of the UA flights is a very early departure, around 0730am I believe
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:53 am

Cunard wrote:
Regarding your last sentence I think that you answered your own question in your first sentence!



I said they appeared to but I had no idea if it was only on a Sunday or if they were doing charters or something else. I was also interested in what they were doing there which is why I asked. I've appreciated the helpful responses that other people were able to give. It's unfortunate that everybody on this forum is not as knowledgeable as you. But if that was the case there would be no need for this forum.
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:55 am

VC10er wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
VC10er wrote:
But I cannot imagine UA leaving one parked all night. (Although they used to leave on parked all day long at GIG)

Didn't we establish they park two overnight at LHR?


I was speaking figuratively about leaving an expensive new 787 parked over night or all day. Be it 2 or more, or even just one.


Even an expensive new B787 has to have regular service, It doesn't cost any more to have overnight service at LHR than IAD, and it's far more costly if it doesn't get the needed service and something goes amiss.
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:56 am

strfyr51 wrote:
VC10er wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Didn't we establish they park two overnight at LHR?


I was speaking figuratively about leaving an expensive new 787 parked over night or all day. Be it 2 or more, or even just one.


Even an expensive new B787 has to have regular service, It doesn't cost any more to have overnight service at LHR than IAD, and it's far more costly if it doesn't get the needed service and something goes amiss.

aside from the fact we have our OWN maintenance crew there.
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:33 am

How many total United flights to LHR are there daily from any/all US hubs? And would anyone ever anticipate increased flying to LHR?

I assume there are changes made on a seasonal basis?

Apologies over these unrelated questions to overnight parking of aircraft!
Last has United ever discussed its plans for a Polaris Lounge at LHR? It is already a very nice lounge, but the ex: Global First section doesn’t seem big enough to become the “Polaris” section. The one with the bar and Big Bens clock face, and round glass restaurant.
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:58 pm

VC10er wrote:
How many total United flights to LHR are there daily from any/all US hubs? And would anyone ever anticipate increased flying to LHR?

I assume there are changes made on a seasonal basis?

EWR (5 daily)
IAH (3 daily)
IAD (3 daily)
ORD (3 daily)
SFO (2 daily)
LAX (1 daily)

EWR and IAH were of course acquired by the takeover of CO.

I'm not anticipating more flying to LHR as good slots are so hard to find. In any case, there is also strong competition from AA/BA and DL/VS, with other options between the UK and US from airports such as LGW, MAN, EDI, BFS and GLA (summer).
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:51 pm

adambrau wrote:
I thought a few years back AA offered a 10pm departure from LHR to JFK. Whether the case or not, it doesn't exist now.


To my knowledge, AA has never had a scheduled departure from LHR at 2200. The latest westbound LHR-JFK flight I can ever remember on AA was AA141 that ran for years with a ~2000-2030 scheduled departure time. Interestingly, during the summer of 2001 - and I believe only that summer season - AA did actually have a very late westbound scheduled departure for AA91 LHR-ORD (2015 on Mondays only and 2115 on Fridays only). Must have been a slot issue that summer season. I believe that Friday-only 2115 AA91 departure was the latest scheduled outbound AA has ever had out of LHR.
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:53 pm

gunnerman wrote:
EWR (5 daily)
IAH (3 daily)
IAD (3 daily)
ORD (3 daily)
SFO (2 daily)
LAX (1 daily)


United uses 17 summer departure/arrival slots at LHR, which will be consistent with above except for 2x IAH and 1x DEN. The 3rd IAH flight has been gone for about two years now, replaced in the winter with a 2nd SFO (now year-round service). When IAH was reduced from 3x to 2x, the summer seasonal flight was planned to shift to LAX #2, but switched to EWR #6.and next year will be a seasonal DEN.
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:09 pm

Yes, you are right about IAH, I misread the timetable.

I find DEN to be interesting as BA had been the sole carrier from the UK, then DY came in on 16 September 2016 from LGW but only up to 27 October 2018 - the same day as UA's last seasonal flight.
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:09 pm

It will be very interesting to see what mix of aircraft there will be at LHR (and from where) in 2 to 3 years. There will be 787-10s, refitted 772s w 50J, more 77W and perhaps even A350s.
And “if” United did indeed take 50ish new build 767s...it would be interesting how they would move everything around.
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:18 pm

UA, AA and AC have all done this for a very long time indeed - ten years plus. Well established as a modus operandi for them to overnight aircraft at LHR. Same as BA and VS overnighting at JFK and in BA's case, BOS. BA used to have nightstoppers in EWR and IAD as well but the daylight eastbound services (from IAD in particular) did not perform well commercially and they were dropped. Same for VS in EWR.
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:20 pm

I expect UA to maintain service into LHR from its hubs, but some aircraft types and timings will change. It's not that common to fly from a non-hub airport such as AA's RDU-LHR. A long time ago, UA flew JFK, EWR and BOS into LHR, but I'm not expecting the JFK and BOS flights to be resurrected.
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:57 pm

If UA can sell westbound redeyes from EWR-SFO during the holidays, wouldn't an LHR-EWR also work?
 
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Re: United planes overnight at Heathrow?

Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:25 pm

The seasonal redeyes won't be comparable with year-round LHR traffic.

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