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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:59 pm

738:
N77296 sked to exit IAH 589/17Mar - all indications are this GUM is now domestic, configuration, DTV, etc.
Does anyone have information on a reduction in GUM aircraft?

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:31 pm

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738:
N77296 sked to exit IAH 589/17Mar - all indications are this GUM is now domestic, configuration, DTV, etc.
Does anyone have information on a reduction in GUM aircraft?


Yes the GUM fleet is expecting a small drawdown (1 or 2 aircraft) due to the reduction to the Guam route network. This aircraft is now rejoining the mainland fleet.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:07 pm

Are the 763 with Polaris going to go back and be fitted with Economy Premium Plus cabins? Doesn’t seem to make sense given the life left in the 763, but it would make sense to offer a consistent product across 77Ws, 787s and ultimately A350s.
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Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:36 am

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Are the 763 with Polaris going to go back and be fitted with Economy Premium Plus cabins? Doesn’t seem to make sense given the life left in the 763, but it would make sense to offer a consistent product across 77Ws, 787s and ultimately A350s.

I bet they won't be a rush to introduce Premium Plus to the 767's. They have the least cabin width to divide economy space and reallocate to W. 6 seats across in W would be 1/7 larger, or more than 2.5" wider per seat. Also, they fly shorter routes than larger widebodies. If W goes over well on the 777's and 787's, than they'll eventually make it widebody fleet wide, but probably lowest priority.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:08 am

319:
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Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:16 am

763 (2-Class):
N671UA exited ILN maintenance 2693/18Mar
 
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Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:56 am

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763 (2-Class):
N671UA exited ILN maintenance 2693/18Mar


N646UA new 2 Class 763 conversion did the test hop in HKG yesterday. Should be back soon.
 
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Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:08 pm

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hkcanadaexpat wrote:
763 (2-Class):
N671UA exited ILN maintenance 2693/18Mar


N646UA new 2 Class 763 conversion did the test hop in HKG yesterday. Should be back soon.

There were three Polaris lines going there for a couple rotations, but now appears to have been reduced to two.
Until confirmation otherwise I’m presuming the three exHA 763s will induct at HKG as well. (They already have winglets though :bigthumbsup: )
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Oops BOE101 :oops:
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Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:22 pm

Rumor and strictly that, rumors, is what about the A350. The reason the order was increased is there is supposedly a clause in a contract that says any deferral past a certain date would result in options automatically becoming orders to avoid penalties. The A350 may still make it into the fleet. The 787 is doing great, the 777X is something to look at. Another rumor is that a subfleet of A321s might happen instead of the A350.
This might just be water cooler talk as there is nothing official or any substance to back this up.
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Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:30 pm

How big a sub fleet of A321 would there be should all A350s be converted? I’d assume that would be some GIANT subfleet!
I want the A350 very much at United (as much as I love the 777) but I presume the A321s would be the 767 and 757 replacements??? Can the newest A321 perform UA’s 767 missions? I wouldn’t think so - but I’m no expert.

Side note: Today I was in F on a 752 from Denver to Newark. It looked like the F cabin had some fixing up. New footrest cushion, carpet, lav, even the seat shells looked less scuffed up. IMHO I still think the atmosphere is boring and monochrome- but at least it didn’t look as worn as usual and the service was terrific and even the food wasn’t bad!
Did UA put them through a spruce up? If so I wish the new bulkhead design was installed.
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Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:32 pm

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How big a sub fleet of A321 would there be should all A350s be converted? I’d assume that would be some GIANT subfleet!
I want the A350 very much at United (as much as I love the 777) but I presume the A321s would be the 767 and 757 replacements??? Can the newest A321 perform UA’s 767 missions? I wouldn’t think so - but I’m no expert.

Side note: Today I was in F on a 752 from Denver to Newark. It looked like the F cabin had some fixing up. New footrest cushion, carpet, lav, even the seat shells looked less scuffed up. IMHO I still think the atmosphere is boring and monochrome- but at least it didn’t look as worn as usual and the service was terrific and even the food wasn’t bad!
Did UA put them through a spruce up? If so I wish the new bulkhead design was installed.

No. A 321neo/LR cannot and will not be a 767 replacement. However, it can be a very adequate 757 replacement.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:30 am

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Thought it odd they would use N89349 for a demo.. it’s been in service awhile and will look a bit worn torn. Whereas N87360 was delivered a couple months ago and has been parked at IAH since, as yet not flown a single revenue flight. (Something to do with the pilot scope clause... Apparently a few more 319/320/737s need to be in service before this last erj175 can be used) It’s litterly brand new and would be a perfect for a customer demo.


360 can't be used, about half the aircraft has been cannibalized to support the MX operations on other aircraft. Last I heard it had no engines, wingtips and was up on jacks.
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Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:04 am

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iahcsr wrote:
Thought it odd they would use N89349 for a demo.. it’s been in service awhile and will look a bit worn torn. Whereas N87360 was delivered a couple months ago and has been parked at IAH since, as yet not flown a single revenue flight. (Something to do with the pilot scope clause... Apparently a few more 319/320/737s need to be in service before this last erj175 can be used) It’s litterly brand new and would be a perfect for a customer demo.


360 can't be used, about half the aircraft has been cannibalized to support the MX operations on other aircraft. Last I heard it had no engines, wingtips and was up on jacks.

Why does this not surprise me one bit? Such a Mesa thing to do.. :roll:
I notice N89349 hasn’t flown once since returning from the demo lease... Perhaps it’s in the same condition as 360 now. :banghead:
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:30 am

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alasizon wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
Thought it odd they would use N89349 for a demo.. it’s been in service awhile and will look a bit worn torn. Whereas N87360 was delivered a couple months ago and has been parked at IAH since, as yet not flown a single revenue flight. (Something to do with the pilot scope clause... Apparently a few more 319/320/737s need to be in service before this last erj175 can be used) It’s litterly brand new and would be a perfect for a customer demo.


360 can't be used, about half the aircraft has been cannibalized to support the MX operations on other aircraft. Last I heard it had no engines, wingtips and was up on jacks.

Why does this not surprise me one bit? Such a Mesa thing to do.. :roll:
I notice N89349 hasn’t flown once since returning from the demo lease... Perhaps it’s in the same condition as 360 now. :banghead:


There are a few that are in non-flying mode at this point, 319 is also in PHX and not going anywhere for a while (been here for a couple weeks).
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Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:55 am

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Rumor and strictly that, rumors, is what about the A350. The reason the order was increased is there is supposedly a clause in a contract that says any deferral past a certain date would result in options automatically becoming orders to avoid penalties. The A350 may still make it into the fleet. The 787 is doing great, the 777X is something to look at. Another rumor is that a subfleet of A321s might happen instead of the A350.
This might just be water cooler talk as there is nothing official or any substance to back this up.


Any rumors when the first quarter-century old A320's will be retired?
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Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:37 am

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CALTECH wrote:
Rumor and strictly that, rumors, is what about the A350. The reason the order was increased is there is supposedly a clause in a contract that says any deferral past a certain date would result in options automatically becoming orders to avoid penalties. The A350 may still make it into the fleet. The 787 is doing great, the 777X is something to look at. Another rumor is that a subfleet of A321s might happen instead of the A350.
This might just be water cooler talk as there is nothing official or any substance to back this up.


Any rumors when the first quarter-century old A320's will be retired?

There’re 160+ 73Max coming in the next few years so the answer to that question is not far in future.
Speaking of Max’s.. FlightAware shows N67501, the first Max9, made another flight today. But was it a B3 or C1? .. or perhaps a T1 ?
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Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:13 am

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Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:23 pm

When or has any of the Hawaiian 767 entered service?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:39 pm

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Any rumors when the first quarter-century old A320's will be retired?


Saw a AAI program to take the A319/320 out to 2025. Things can change though......
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Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:03 pm

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When or has any of the Hawaiian 767 entered service?

Not until 3Q at the earliest I’ve heard. BTW N67501 was a B3. :flamed:
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Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:25 pm

73G:
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N24729 exited MIA 2795/22Mar with slimlines
N27733 entered MIA 2801/23Mar for slimlines

789:
N38955 entered PVG 2699/20Mar
N24974 exited PVG 2829/23Mar
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:20 pm

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73G:
N17719 entered MIA 2795/13mar for slimlines
N24729 exited MIA 2795/22Mar with slimlines
N27733 entered MIA 2801/23Mar for slimlines

789:
N38955 entered PVG 2699/20Mar
N24974 exited PVG 2829/23Mar

Seems rather odd N24974 having Heavy Mx so soon after delivery... what work is being done at PVG?
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Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:26 pm

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But was it a B3 or C1? .. or perhaps a T1 ?


Could someone provide a translation?
 
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iahcsr wrote:
But was it a B3 or C1? .. or perhaps a T1 ?


Could someone provide a translation?


B flights are Boeing flights prior to delivery (B3 would be the 3rd Boeing flight), C flights are customer flights (acceptance flights for example)........not sure what a T flight is.
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:44 pm

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jetero wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
But was it a B3 or C1? .. or perhaps a T1 ?


Could someone provide a translation?


B flights are Boeing flights prior to delivery (B3 would be the 3rd Boeing flight), C flights are customer flights (acceptance flights for example)........not sure what a T flight is.


Thanks :bigthumbsup:
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:19 am

guppyflyer wrote:
jetero wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
But was it a B3 or C1? .. or perhaps a T1 ?


Could someone provide a translation?


B flights are Boeing flights prior to delivery (B3 would be the 3rd Boeing flight), C flights are customer flights (acceptance flights for example)........not sure what a T flight is.

Just a guess, does T stand for Tech? Is that the first flight maintenance has before fleet induction?
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:34 am

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Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:04 am

I'm fairly certain this is United's first 787X. Any help confirming?

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Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:14 am

The 737-9 Max will have the wavy cheat line like the 787 as far as livery. Have seen two renderings of possible livery change for future and both were pretty ugly to be honest.
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:29 am

Were the liveries you saw a hint at an entire fleet NEW livery? Or just for MAX’s and 787-10?

I love that all white 78J, I like the proportions

I would bet my apartment and 401k that when United finally unveils a new livery for the entire fleet that it will be the most hated in A.net history!
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:56 am

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Were the liveries you saw a hint at an entire fleet NEW livery? Or just for MAX’s and 787-10?

I love that all white 78J, I like the proportions

I would bet my apartment and 401k that when United finally unveils a new livery for the entire fleet that it will be the most hated in A.net history!



It was intended for entire fleet and was horrible.
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:20 am

cosyr wrote:
guppyflyer wrote:
jetero wrote:

Could someone provide a translation?


B flights are Boeing flights prior to delivery (B3 would be the 3rd Boeing flight), C flights are customer flights (acceptance flights for example)........not sure what a T flight is.

Just a guess, does T stand for Tech? Is that the first flight maintenance has before fleet induction?

I intended ‘T’ to refer to training flights... Both SQ and Lion Air showed ‘Training’ for their respective new types and I thought ‘T’ would suffice.. I should’ve put a <T=training > in there.. :blush: :blockhead:
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:30 am

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I'm fairly certain this is United's first 787X. Any help confirming?

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Yes, N548ZC will at some point be refurbished and delivered to UA... it has be in the test program for the GE engine certification. Still have seen no info as to the reg# sequence will be though.
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:40 am

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VC10er wrote:
Were the liveries you saw a hint at an entire fleet NEW livery? Or just for MAX’s and 787-10?

I love that all white 78J, I like the proportions

I would bet my apartment and 401k that when United finally unveils a new livery for the entire fleet that it will be the most hated in A.net history!



It was intended for entire fleet and was horrible.


I guess they should have hired my agency- but then no matter what it looked like, it would most likely be bashed. I can almost assume what it will be. I see hints at where they may take the globe next!
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:11 pm

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Rumor and strictly that, rumors, is what about the A350. The reason the order was increased is there is supposedly a clause in a contract that says any deferral past a certain date would result in options automatically becoming orders to avoid penalties. The A350 may still make it into the fleet. The 787 is doing great, the 777X is something to look at. Another rumor is that a subfleet of A321s might happen instead of the A350.
This might just be water cooler talk as there is nothing official or any substance to back this up.


There might be something to your rumor but just like you I will also stress what I'm about to say is rumor only as well. The word I've been hearing in regards to the wide body fleet is simplification. We all know UA is seriously interested in Boeings 797 (should Boeing launch this aircraft). However from what I've heard UA is extremely pleased with the 787 fleet and there are those who don't see the need for both the 789 and A359 again I stress this is just rumors I've heard. The 789 only has 12 less seats than UA's 77E fleet however it is capable of flying 17 almost 18 hour missions for UA. From what I've heard the 777X is not off the table but UA will not take a serious look at that aircraft for at least another 12 years because the 77W fleet is so young. The A350 order might still be delivered and it may not, from the rumors I've heard that order increase bought UA time we are not scheduled to take delivery of the A350 till 2022. UA now has time to make a decision about the 77E fleet and the 757 fleet. Although UA has decided domestically 737-9ER, MAX/10MAX is the right replacement for the 757; for international missions the 737MAX is not the right aircraft.

From rumors I've heard whatever design and numbers Boeing showed UA last year concerning the 797 it has convinced UA that if launched it would be the right aircraft to replace our 767 fleet. However from what I've heard it isn't the right aircraft to replace the 757 fleet when utilized on TATL missions which is why the A321 is still an option for UA. Like I said these are rumors nothing more, personally I hope both the A321 and A350 find their way into our fleet. I think both the A359 and the 789/10 can all get along in the same sand box. I would hate to see UA's wide body fleet simplified to just the 777, 787, and 797. I hope the A359 can muscle its way into the fleet it is a beautiful aircraft.
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:18 pm

Any idea on when we will see a photo of the MAX?
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:31 pm

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Any idea on when we will see a photo of the MAX?


The production thread is reporting teh first UA MAX9 goes into paint on 4/2...
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:11 pm

I was going through the current routing for the 789 fleet and noticed that aircraft nose number 3961, registration number N29961 is heading to DEN today as UA 2799 for a scheduled engine change. I was wondering when did UA start doing scheduled engine changes for the 787 fleet in DEN? I thought SFO maintenance handled a majority of this type of work.
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:27 pm

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I was going through the current routing for the 789 fleet and noticed that aircraft nose number 3961, registration number N29961 is heading to DEN today as UA 2799 for a scheduled engine change. I was wondering when did UA start doing scheduled engine changes for the 787 fleet in DEN? I thought SFO maintenance handled a majority of this type of work.

Especially as the aircraft has just arrived at SFO this morning!

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N29961
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:28 pm

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I would bet my apartment and 401k that when United finally unveils a new livery for the entire fleet that it will be the most hated in A.net history!


That's a pretty safe bet. I'd take that one, too.
 
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The 737-9 Max will have the wavy cheat line like the 787 as far as livery. Have seen two renderings of possible livery change for future and both were pretty ugly to be honest.


This is big news regarding a possible new livery. Did the renderings have a new logo? New colors, or still blue, grey and gold?

If, and it is a big if, a new livery is introduced, I could see it being launched on the 787-10 to coincide with the debut of Premium Plus and new uniform wear tests (which I heard were slated for the fall).
 
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Sun Mar 25, 2018 5:31 am

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:10 am

Beautiful or ugly, simple or complex, fresh or dated, a livery is only a reflection or signal of the brand, and what that brand stands for, it’s reputation and persona. If an airline is loved but the identity isn’t so great, it won’t matter. Example: I’ve heard fantastic things about EVA Air, yet that livery (IMHO) looks like a cargo company.

I think that while the current United livery is certainly in need of updating, it’s “fine for now” as United’s primary mission is to improve the entire brand experience, and that journey is at least 2/3 years long. At least the current livery is very consistent (even w the wave on the 787s) and for once in 20 years United is flying one livery for a number of years without a mix of old and new liveries flying around.
I don’t know what United’s true customer perceptions or scores sit at the moment- especially after a handful of disastrous PR events. (Although many tens of millions of people have safely, maybe even happily or satisfactorily flown United since Dr Dao’s horrific experience) but that incident is still top of mind for many, and defining United for many people. It’s like watching a car accident- you don’t want to, but human nature makes you look.
My point is: they shouldn’t launch a new identity now. They would be just asking to be egged.
United needs some more time to get the positive reputation it could achieve through improved customer service (with the new employee incentive plan), at least one Polaris Lounge open at each MEGA hub, more renovated United Clubs and a considerable more Polaris refits on 772s & 767 and all the 78Js.
Once they start hearing “I used to hate, but now I love United” in a quantitative way in their on-going customer research- then by all means paint the planes with something fresh to reflect the new improved brand and finally create a new future. If I were Oscar I would want my company to earn a new brand identity- not use brand identity to help change impressions because we all know (in the branding industry) THAT NEVER WORKS! In fact it often backfires.
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Sun Mar 25, 2018 1:54 pm

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The 737-9 Max will have the wavy cheat line like the 787 as far as livery. Have seen two renderings of possible livery change for future and both were pretty ugly to be honest.


This is big news regarding a possible new livery. Did the renderings have a new logo? New colors, or still blue, grey and gold?

If, and it is a big if, a new livery is introduced, I could see it being launched on the 787-10 to coincide with the debut of Premium Plus and new uniform wear tests (which I heard were slated for the fall).


It still had the globe, but UNITED was lowered over the windows. Started white until past the wings and then started shading light grey to darker grey with the globe still on the vertical in blue. Believe UNITED on the belly is being kicked around too.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:15 pm

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:19 pm

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Beautiful or ugly, simple or complex, fresh or dated, a livery is only a reflection or signal of the brand, and what that brand stands for, it’s reputation and persona. If an airline is loved but the identity isn’t so great, it won’t matter. Example: I’ve heard fantastic things about EVA Air, yet that livery (IMHO) looks like a cargo company.

I think that while the current United livery is certainly in need of updating, it’s “fine for now” as United’s primary mission is to improve the entire brand experience, and that journey is at least 2/3 years long. At least the current livery is very consistent (even w the wave on the 787s) and for once in 20 years United is flying one livery for a number of years without a mix of old and new liveries flying around.
I don’t know what United’s true customer perceptions or scores sit at the moment- especially after a handful of disastrous PR events. (Although many tens of millions of people have safely, maybe even happily or satisfactorily flown United since Dr Dao’s horrific experience) but that incident is still top of mind for many, and defining United for many people. It’s like watching a car accident- you don’t want to, but human nature makes you look.
My point is: they shouldn’t launch a new identity now. They would be just asking to be egged.
United needs some more time to get the positive reputation it could achieve through improved customer service (with the new employee incentive plan), at least one Polaris Lounge open at each MEGA hub, more renovated United Clubs and a considerable more Polaris refits on 772s & 767 and all the 78Js.
Once they start hearing “I used to hate, but now I love United” in a quantitative way in their on-going customer research- then by all means paint the planes with something fresh to reflect the new improved brand and finally create a new future. If I were Oscar I would want my company to earn a new brand identity- not use brand identity to help change impressions because we all know (in the branding industry) THAT NEVER WORKS! In fact it often backfires.
There are many more big fishes to fry first. And in the places you experience some freshly fried big fish, it’s very good. Just need MORE of it.
P.S. the Italian Wedding soup sometimes in the United Club is fantastic!

I completely agree, that they must rebuild their image enough that when they introduce a new livery they can say whole heartedly, this is the new United. Chrysler made this mistake during the recession. They said look at how we've changed, when all they did was introduce a new logo and put it on existing cars. They didn't actually change, and now they're on the brink of extinction.

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