United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

STT757 · Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:29 am

LAXintl wrote:
United international fleet allocation for upcoming winter schedule

Looks like 787-10 will debut on EWR-LAX

https://twitter.com/LAflyr/status/1031694425833914369

Impressive, 3x daily wide bodies each between EWR and LAX/ SFO, EWR -SFO with a 77W and EWR-LAX with a 78J.

EWR-LAX 2 772, 1 78J
EWR-SFO 2 772, 1 77W

redrooster3 · Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:48 am

VC10er wrote:
cosyr wrote:
STT757 wrote:

I believe most of the current two class , non Polaris, 763s were previously domestic aircraft for pre-merger UA.

The first 14 were, then 7 previously 3 class intl were also converted.

I don’t understand: will all remaining 763’s ultimately get the high premium configuration as the 3 Hawaiian 763’s? Meaning those 763’s with Polaris already will not have the same high premium configuration?

I don't know if this was ever announced on this thread...but the 14 "Diamond" (Continental 2-class business seat) 767s will be converted to the low-density 767s 46J/24W/99Y configuration. I still don't have a clue as to what the 3 ex-HA birds will be doing.

redrooster3 · Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:51 am

Can anyone confirm plane 2131 (N2331U) is in SFO for the PP retrofit. Is SFOMX doing the retrofit?

KVH68 · Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:35 am

redrooster3 wrote:
Can anyone confirm plane 2131 (N2331U) is in SFO for the PP retrofit. Is SFOMX doing the retrofit?

The plane was in for STC work. I can't find what kind of work was performed. UA media production was doing some work in the plane as well.

calpsafltskeds · Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:42 am

Looks like the following TATL are seasonal vs. Peak Summer
No operating in Winter 2018/19 TATL, which may be the same as last Winter:
EWR-ATH/VCE/HAM/GLA/SNN
ORD- FCO/DUB/EDI
IAD-DUB/EDI/FCO
SFO-MUC/ZRH/CDG
DEN-LHR

It looks like the schedule requires only 12 units with a lot of big turn time in EWR/IAH/LHR/IAD/DEN/LAX/SFO, which would allow us of aircraft for maint and/or domestic flights. That would leave 29 units for Domestic/maints/spares/mods.

It also looks like seven 763 units can cover LHR-ORD/EWR. Maybe UA will rope off some of the minimum of 11 units that should be available by mid-October (10 estimated by 9/20).
LHR-IAH/LAX/SFO will not have Polaris this Winter and neither will IAD-LHR unless 1 of 3 flights, a 763 is assigned or gets one by the luck of the draw.

redrooster3 · Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:33 am

KVH68 wrote:
redrooster3 wrote:
Can anyone confirm plane 2131 (N2331U) is in SFO for the PP retrofit. Is SFOMX doing the retrofit?

The plane was in for STC work. I can't find what kind of work was performed. UA media production was doing some work in the plane as well.

Could be good news that the retrofit is done on the plane and UA Media are filming commercials on it? It is the first 77W to receive PP.

codc10 · Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:03 pm

cosyr wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
United international fleet allocation for upcoming winter schedule

Looks like 787-10 will debut on EWR-LAX

https://twitter.com/LAflyr/status/1031694425833914369

Wow, only 4 Intl routes from EWR on the 752?! What do they do with the other 30 or so all winter?

UA wants to avoid TATL 757 flying in the winter for performance reasons. Markets in continental Europe (besides LIS) that can’t support 767s in winter have been seasonally cut. There are more 757 EU flights in the summer.

757s are mostly redeployed to domestic and Hawaii.

STT757 wrote:

Impressive, 3x daily wide bodies each between EWR and LAX/ SFO, EWR -SFO with a 77W and EWR-LAX with a 78J.

EWR-LAX 2 772, 1 78J
EWR-SFO 2 772, 1 77W

Frequency has been reduced a fair bit from the initial plan with all 757 service, so capacity isn’t growing all that much. Given the choice I’ll take more WB!

It also means both EWRSFO and LAX will have true Polaris equipment on one frequency this winter.

redrooster3 wrote:
I don't know if this was ever announced on this thread...but the 14 "Diamond" (Continental 2-class business seat) 767s will be converted to the low-density 767s 46J/24W/99Y configuration. I still don't have a clue as to what the 3 ex-HA birds will be doing.

Wow! I think the ex-HA birds are going to the high-J configuration as well. I wonder if this means almost all LHR frequencies will get this config...

KVH68 wrote:
redrooster3 wrote:
Can anyone confirm plane 2131 (N2331U) is in SFO for the PP retrofit. Is SFOMX doing the retrofit?

The plane was in for STC work. I can't find what kind of work was performed. UA media production was doing some work in the plane as well.

Gotta be. 77W needs a STC for PE installs, and no doubt UA is planning a marketing campaign for the product.

VC10er · Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:21 pm

STT757 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
United international fleet allocation for upcoming winter schedule

Looks like 787-10 will debut on EWR-LAX

https://twitter.com/LAflyr/status/1031694425833914369

Impressive, 3x daily wide bodies each between EWR and LAX/ SFO, EWR -SFO with a 77W and EWR-LAX with a 78J.

EWR-LAX 2 772, 1 78J
EWR-SFO 2 772, 1 77W

With so many wide bodies on transcontinental, how will that impact frequencies?

gsg013 · Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:38 pm

When will the 787-10 come online? Interesting that it will head back and forth across the country EWR-LAX assuming it will replace the 757-200's on the route looks like EWR-LAX could be mostly widebody for UA.

Qantas744er · Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:48 pm

KVH68 wrote:
redrooster3 wrote:
Can anyone confirm plane 2131 (N2331U) is in SFO for the PP retrofit. Is SFOMX doing the retrofit?

The plane was in for STC work. I can't find what kind of work was performed. UA media production was doing some work in the plane as well.

Will the PE configured B77W fleet, remain fleet# 21** or become 22**?

CapitalAvGeek · Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:17 pm

Looks like the 77W that has been in SFO since July 31st is flying SFO-IAD (UA291) today and has a different seat map than the other 77W's.

xxcr · Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:19 pm

redrooster3 wrote:
VC10er wrote:
cosyr wrote:
The first 14 were, then 7 previously 3 class intl were also converted.

I don’t understand: will all remaining 763’s ultimately get the high premium configuration as the 3 Hawaiian 763’s? Meaning those 763’s with Polaris already will not have the same high premium configuration?

I don't know if this was ever announced on this thread...but the 14 "Diamond" (Continental 2-class business seat) 767s will be converted to the low-density 767s 46J/24W/99Y configuration. I still don't have a clue as to what the 3 ex-HA birds will be doing.

is a there a seatmap for the high density layout? would like to see it and compare it the current polaris 763

iahcsr · Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:14 pm

Qantas744er wrote:
KVH68 wrote:
redrooster3 wrote:
Can anyone confirm plane 2131 (N2331U) is in SFO for the PP retrofit. Is SFOMX doing the retrofit?

The plane was in for STC work. I can't find what kind of work was performed. UA media production was doing some work in the plane as well.

Will the PE configured B77W fleet, remain fleet# 21** or become 22**?

UA stopped changing the second digit after the merger... all ship #s are permanently fixed as is.

iahcsr · Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:26 pm

CapitalAvGeek wrote:
Looks like the 77W that has been in SFO since July 31st is flying SFO-IAD (UA291) today and has a different seat map than the other 77W's.

Besides the four hour MX delay, the first three rows of Y(PE) now numbered 20-22, configured 2-4-2. Beyond is now rows 30-58 and is 3-4-3.

VC10er · Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:33 pm

It would be AWESOME to get all the seat maps in a row, from 763’s, 772’s and 78J (even the 77W) but I think we know they will all be the same.
Does someone have access to them all?
Does United publish them somewhere?

LAXintl · Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:52 pm

xxcr wrote:

is a there a seatmap for the high density layout? would like to see it and compare it the current polaris 763

Yes go look at post #1146

I posted it a couple months back

LAXintl · Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:55 pm

At today's Boyd conference Kirby mentioned the 737MAX-10 would likely take over p.s. flying. The company is currently shopping for a new flatbed seat for the aircraft.

Also mentioned they would consider bringing the product to additional markets and made specific mention of EWR-SEA and DC-West Coast.'

adamblang · Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:37 pm

VC10er wrote:
Does someone have access to them all?
Does United publish them somewhere?

They're all on united.com for the world to see once the information is released to the public.

xxcr · Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:30 pm

LAXintl wrote:
At today's Boyd conference Kirby mentioned the 737MAX-10 would likely take over p.s. flying. The company is currently shopping for a new flatbed seat for the aircraft.

Also mentioned they would consider bringing the product to additional markets and made specific mention of EWR-SEA and DC-West Coast.'

I feel like the MAX wont be able to fly the PS routes without weight restrictions.

ual777 · Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:43 pm

xxcr wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
At today's Boyd conference Kirby mentioned the 737MAX-10 would likely take over p.s. flying. The company is currently shopping for a new flatbed seat for the aircraft.

Also mentioned they would consider bringing the product to additional markets and made specific mention of EWR-SEA and DC-West Coast.'

I feel like the MAX wont be able to fly the PS routes without weight restrictions.

Why? It currently flies ANC-IAH.

xxcr · Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:33 pm

ual777 wrote:
xxcr wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
At today's Boyd conference Kirby mentioned the 737MAX-10 would likely take over p.s. flying. The company is currently shopping for a new flatbed seat for the aircraft.

Also mentioned they would consider bringing the product to additional markets and made specific mention of EWR-SEA and DC-West Coast.'

I feel like the MAX wont be able to fly the PS routes without weight restrictions.

Why? It currently flies ANC-IAH.

ANC-IAH-ANC doesnt suffer from heavy headwinds though. Flights from the west coast to the east coast wont have any issues, its flying west..... But i could be wrong, so please correct me if im wrong.

iahcsr · Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:55 pm

xxcr wrote:
ual777 wrote:
xxcr wrote:

I feel like the MAX wont be able to fly the PS routes without weight restrictions.

Why? It currently flies ANC-IAH.

ANC-IAH-ANC doesnt suffer from heavy headwinds though. Flights from the west coast to the east coast wont have any issues, its flying west..... But i could be wrong, so please correct me if im wrong.

Recall also IAH ANC is a Max9. The Max10 is another matter.

xxcr · Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:09 pm

iahcsr wrote:
xxcr wrote:
ual777 wrote:

Why? It currently flies ANC-IAH.

ANC-IAH-ANC doesnt suffer from heavy headwinds though. Flights from the west coast to the east coast wont have any issues, its flying west..... But i could be wrong, so please correct me if im wrong.

Recall also IAH ANC is a Max9. The Max10 is another matter.

Bam! Didnt catch the MAX-10 part. Just read MAX..... Thank you for the clarification.

janders · Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:36 pm

FG article on premium configured 737MAX-10s

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 0s-451309/

EssentialBusDC · Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:03 pm

LAXintl wrote:
At today's Boyd conference Kirby mentioned the 737MAX-10 would likely take over p.s. flying. The company is currently shopping for a new flatbed seat for the aircraft.

Also mentioned they would consider bringing the product to additional markets and made specific mention of EWR-SEA and DC-West Coast.'

More 6 hours legs in the worst office in the sky. Woohoo! :banghead:

LAXintl · Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:32 pm

As the FG article states a premium MAX-10 would have fewer seats and hence payload to be carried. With all the p.s. markets airports having being sea-level with long runways, I doubt it will much of an issue.

redrooster3 · Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:33 pm

So I wonder who did the retrofit on 2131 while in SFO...But seat map for 2131 confirms that it's the first 77W with PP installed. I wonder if the MAX-10 will have a door 2L boarding process to keep it as "premium" as possible.

WNCrew · Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:36 pm

redrooster3 wrote:
I wonder if the MAX-10 will have a door 2L boarding process to keep it as "premium" as possible.

I'm going to go with no, given that Airbus got rid of it on the A321 and Boeing hasn't ever offered it (and shows no renderings of it).

FriscoHeavy · Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:49 pm

xxcr wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
At today's Boyd conference Kirby mentioned the 737MAX-10 would likely take over p.s. flying. The company is currently shopping for a new flatbed seat for the aircraft.

Also mentioned they would consider bringing the product to additional markets and made specific mention of EWR-SEA and DC-West Coast.'

I feel like the MAX wont be able to fly the PS routes without weight restrictions.

You’re feeling is incorrect. It will easily be able to fly coast-to-coast with full passengers and bags, even in a more dense configuration.

GSOtoIND · Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:12 am

cosyr wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
United international fleet allocation for upcoming winter schedule

Looks like 787-10 will debut on EWR-LAX

https://twitter.com/LAflyr/status/1031694425833914369

Wow, only 4 Intl routes from EWR on the 752?! What do they do with the other 30 or so all winter?

What summer-only routes are on the 752? I'm sure the economies of scale UA has at EWR vs. DL at JFK and AA at PHL/JFK allow them to justify a 767 on more routes than the other majors. Something to think about as we hear more about UA's 757 replacement.

fun2fly · Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:50 am

CapitalAvGeek wrote:
Looks like the 77W that has been in SFO since July 31st is flying SFO-IAD (UA291) today and has a different seat map than the other 77W's.

Will the 18th delivery come equipped with PE also?

I'm impressed that UA is working the 77W for PE so quickly. The new seat map with only 58 E+ seems low for the long haul routes this a/c is on.

Seat map is NOT on United.com yet.

calpsafltskeds · Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:44 pm

77W:
N2332U entered SFO 59/20Aug, possible PE mod if subsequent mods will be done in SFO????

iahcsr · Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:30 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
77W:
N2332U entered SFO 59/20Aug, possible PE mod if subsequent mods will be done in SFO????

N2331U appears to be ferrying SFOHNL today as UA 2751 and returning Thurs UA2804... What are they up to now :scratchchin:

FlyHossD · Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:38 pm

EssentialBusDC wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
At today's Boyd conference Kirby mentioned the 737MAX-10 would likely take over p.s. flying. The company is currently shopping for a new flatbed seat for the aircraft.

Also mentioned they would consider bringing the product to additional markets and made specific mention of EWR-SEA and DC-West Coast.'

More 6 hours legs in the worst office in the sky. Woohoo!

It is a small cockpit. But 737s already fly trans-con flights for UA and other carriers, so there's no change there.

adamblang · Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:44 pm

iahcsr wrote:
N2331U appears to be ferrying SFOHNL today as UA 2751 and returning Thurs UA2804... What are they up to now

Wonder if it's an extra section to get people out ahead of the hurricane. Does the 28XX range ever transport revenue passengers?

EssentialBusDC · Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:39 pm

FlyHossD wrote:
EssentialBusDC wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
At today's Boyd conference Kirby mentioned the 737MAX-10 would likely take over p.s. flying. The company is currently shopping for a new flatbed seat for the aircraft.

Also mentioned they would consider bringing the product to additional markets and made specific mention of EWR-SEA and DC-West Coast.'

More 6 hours legs in the worst office in the sky. Woohoo!

It is a small cockpit. But 737s already fly trans-con flights for UA and other carriers, so there's no change there.

I’m well familiar, with the volume of transcons and the small cockpit. Just so excited that there will be even more opportunities to spend transcons in that small cockpit. :hissyfit:

gsg013 · Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:35 pm

This is the type of thing that always seems to come back and bite United... Customers have made it known that they do not enjoy flying on a 737 for 6 hours on a transcon. Now that UA has a fair number of widebodies on transcons customers are starting to become happy with the PS offering on the route. To go back and stuff people into 737-10MAX for transcons is not good for the brand.

adamblang · Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:46 pm

adamblang wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
N2331U appears to be ferrying SFOHNL today as UA 2751 and returning Thurs UA2804... What are they up to now

Wonder if it's an extra section to get people out ahead of the hurricane. Does the 28XX range ever transport revenue passengers?

2804 is on sale to paying customers and already has all 350 seats booked. Looks like it's a hurricane-related extra section.

flyguy84 · Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:57 pm

gsg013 wrote:
This is the type of thing that always seems to come back and bite United... Customers have made it known that they do not enjoy flying on a 737 for 6 hours on a transcon. Now that UA has a fair number of widebodies on transcons customers are starting to become happy with the PS offering on the route. To go back and stuff people into 737-10MAX for transcons is not good for the brand.

To be fair PS no longer exists. There is nothing special in the economy cabin on the current offerings and won’t change when they switch to Max 10s.... going lie flat in first on a 737 vs 757 is probably going to be pretty similar.

ual763 · Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:59 pm

EssentialBusDC wrote:
FlyHossD wrote:
EssentialBusDC wrote:

More 6 hours legs in the worst office in the sky. Woohoo!

It is a small cockpit. But 737s already fly trans-con flights for UA and other carriers, so there's no change there.

I’m well familiar, with the volume of transcons and the small cockpit. Just so excited that there will be even more opportunities to spend transcons in that small cockpit.

It’s a small cockpit, but who cares? You spend your time in a seat. And to add to that, the seat is, if I dare say so myself, one hell of a lot comfier than the seats on the bus. Sure, I don’t get a little foldable table, but not really an issue for Boeing guys. I’ll take my wool seat anyday of the week!

EssentialBusDC · Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:29 am

ual763 wrote:
EssentialBusDC wrote:
FlyHossD wrote:

It is a small cockpit. But 737s already fly trans-con flights for UA and other carriers, so there's no change there.

I’m well familiar, with the volume of transcons and the small cockpit. Just so excited that there will be even more opportunities to spend transcons in that small cockpit.

It’s a small cockpit, but who cares? You spend your time in a seat. And to add to that, the seat is, if I dare say so myself, one hell of a lot comfier than the seats on the bus. Sure, I don’t get a little foldable table, but not really an issue for Boeing guys. I’ll take my wool seat anyday of the week!

Well I care. If I’m going to work 8+ hours a day in my office, then I’d choose any other Boeing or Airbus cockpit over a Guppy. It’s more then the seat, it’s the whole cockpit. And with 9+ years on the Bus (never had any issue with seat comfort on it) and 13+ years on various Boeing’s, the Guppy is by far the least comfortable cockpit I have had to work in.

But to each their own.

747d10 · Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:20 am

77E N793UA is in flight from HKG to XMN. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N793UA
Polaris mods?

calpsafltskeds · Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:08 pm

772:
N793UA into XMN replaces N788UA , which received PE mod - my guess is a third line is open for Polaris/PE at XMN and 77W PE mods will be done at SFO, also expect one of these in XMN are in for C Check: N791UA, N792UA, N793UA, N795UA or there is a fourth Polaris line.
N78009 sked to exit HKG maint 180/25Aug
N76021 sked to enter HKG maint 179/23Aug

iahcsr · Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:40 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
772:
N793UA into XMN replaces N788UA , which received PE mod - my guess is a third line is open for Polaris/PE at XMN and 77W PE mods will be done at SFO, also expect one of these in XMN are in for C Check: N791UA, N792UA, N793UA, N795UA or there is a fourth Polaris line.
N78009 sked to exit HKG maint 180/25Aug
N76021 sked to enter HKG maint 179/23Aug

If in for C checks, that’s obviously a perfect time for the P/PE work as well... probably cheaper as well. :twocents:

FlyHossD · Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:05 pm

EssentialBusDC wrote:
Well I care. If I’m going to work 8+ hours a day in my office, then I’d choose any other Boeing or Airbus cockpit over a Guppy. It’s more then the seat, it’s the whole cockpit. And with 9+ years on the Bus (never had any issue with seat comfort on it) and 13+ years on various Boeing’s, the Guppy is by far the least comfortable cockpit I have had to work in.

But to each their own.

How many "8+ hours" days are there on the 737s? I can't remember ever seeing one scheduled.

And with your stated longevity, why would you bid an airplane you dislike so much? In other words, why not just stay on Fifi or something else?

To "each their own," yes, but why go out of the way to complain about an airplane you don't have to fly?

Ultimately, it is a small cockpit, agreed.

calpsafltskeds · Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:16 pm

You would think it would be better to do the C Check at the same time, but I don't think its done that way. Recently a 772 exited XMN w/o Polaris and was stated as being in for a C Check. I'm sure two sets of people may interfere with each other.

jayunited · Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:01 pm

adamblang wrote:
adamblang wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
N2331U appears to be ferrying SFOHNL today as UA 2751 and returning Thurs UA2804... What are they up to now

Wonder if it's an extra section to get people out ahead of the hurricane. Does the 28XX range ever transport revenue passengers?

2804 is on sale to paying customers and already has all 350 seats booked. Looks like it's a hurricane-related extra section.

It is the extra section to get people out of HNL before the storm.
N2331U now has PE installed the seat map is 60/24/266,
The aircraft wasn't supposed to reenter service till the end of the week however it was used on 8/21 to cover UA291 and UA340 when the 77E went tech and then yesterday it was ferried positioned to HNL to provide extra lift to move passengers out of harms way before Lane.

EssentialBusDC · Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:58 pm

FlyHossD wrote:
EssentialBusDC wrote:
Well I care. If I’m going to work 8+ hours a day in my office, then I’d choose any other Boeing or Airbus cockpit over a Guppy. It’s more then the seat, it’s the whole cockpit. And with 9+ years on the Bus (never had any issue with seat comfort on it) and 13+ years on various Boeing’s, the Guppy is by far the least comfortable cockpit I have had to work in.

But to each their own.

How many "8+ hours" days are there on the 737s? I can't remember ever seeing one scheduled.

And with your stated longevity, why would you bid an airplane you dislike so much? In other words, why not just stay on Fifi or something else?

To "each their own," yes, but why go out of the way to complain about an airplane you don't have to fly?

Ultimately, it is a small cockpit, agreed.

Not talking about just flight time but once you add in pre and post flight it’s not hard to get 8 hours in the cockpit. Take a look at DCA 737 for Sept. multiple days of 8 hours scheduled block. But if it makes you feel better then I’ll drop it to 7 hours.

As for bidding it? Well my desires don’t match up with United’s fleet planning, and the steady increase in Guppy flying, at the expense of the Bus, unless I want to commute. And commuting is worse then the small cockpit.

But we are getting away from the thread so I’ll drop off and return it to it’s purpose....

jayunited · Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:24 pm

According to an internal memo our first two 787-10s are scheduled to be delivered in November.
The 763s we acquired from HA are not scheduled to enter revenue service till March 2019. According to the memo the reason for the long delay is paperwork required by the FAA transferring ownership, poring over every maintenance document with an FAA inspector and then, reconciling maintenance documents from the previous owner, ( and no the FAA doesn't distinguish between a domestic and international carrier meaning there is no fast lane through this process just because HA was the previous owner vs. CZ and the used Airbuses we acquired from them). Once all of this is complete then UA will then be able to strip the entire aircraft to perform extensive modifications to the cabin, flight deck displays, IFE, and Wifi.

codc10 · Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:43 am

EssentialBusDC wrote:
FlyHossD wrote:
EssentialBusDC wrote:
As for bidding it? Well my desires don’t match up with United’s fleet planning, and the steady increase in Guppy flying, at the expense of the Bus, unless I want to commute.

Is that just in DCA? As far as I know block hours for the Bus are increasing across the system as more are added. Of course, there are more Guppies on order, but still...

The tradeoff is QOL.

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