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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:17 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Doesn't it look like the E2 is a dead duck due to scope clauses? Wiki says.
E175E2 is too heavy for scope clause and the extra row vs. E175 pushes it over 76 seats.
E195E2, does it have too many seats to be part of scope clause that would allow added 76 seaters?
E190E2 might be the only aircraft if flown by mainline crews that could allow addition of 76 seaters via scope clause.
Then there is always the trade-off of higher ownership costs vs. savings in maintenance and fuel. If flown short haul, overall fuel savings might not equal the higher purchase and ownership costs.


190E2, 195E2, CS100 all count as NSNB and unlock more qualifying 76 seaters at the regionals.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:26 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
E175E2 is too heavy for scope clause and the extra row vs. E175 pushes it over 76 seats.

I wouldn't be surprised if part of the scope update that's being asked for allow E175-E2 at UAX. Someday those E175-E1s are going to need to be replaced and I doubt the company's going to want to do that with CRJ-900s. Which gives the company side an especially complicated hand – when the E175s come up for replacement, there's nothing to replace with. They need pilots to move on regional jet weight and they want pilots to move on small mainline. If pilots agree to those two things, whatever the company offered in exchange is going to be what American and Delta are responding to when their contracts come up.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:30 pm

adamblang wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
E175E2 is too heavy for scope clause and the extra row vs. E175 pushes it over 76 seats.

I wouldn't be surprised if part of the scope update that's being asked for allow E175-E2 at UAX. Someday those E175-E1s are going to need to be replaced and I doubt the company's going to want to do that with CRJ-900s. Which gives the company side an especially complicated hand – when the E175s come up for replacement, there's nothing to replace with. They need pilots to move on regional jet weight and they want pilots to move on small mainline. If pilots agree to those two things, whatever the company offered in exchange is going to be what American and Delta are responding to when their contracts come up.

Without a doubt... the company will definitely want the ability to replace E1 with E2. With the same cap on the total numbers allowed and seat count, they’ll probably get the union to agree. There’s about 0% chance of the 175 being flown at mainline. The NSNB is inevitable as that’s the only way Kirby and gang will be able to add 175.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:34 pm

iahcsr wrote:
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N647UA is currently showing ‘taxing to runway’ for UA2799 HKGHNL... appears N641UA will take its place.



UA could make money with these flights. Why do they leave HKG empty? is it to avoid any headaches that may come up with MX?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:55 pm

xxcr wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
763
N647UA is currently showing ‘taxing to runway’ for UA2799 HKGHNL... appears N641UA will take its place.



UA could make money with these flights. Why do they leave HKG empty? is it to avoid any headaches that may come up with MX?

These craft arrive and depart HKG not passenger ready. All service items (galley equipment, medical emergency items, safety cards,etc) everything not part of structure, are removed, replaced in HNL.
Given this particular flight is now delayed 18 hours...so far... for Mx doesn’t help either.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:00 pm

iahcsr wrote:
xxcr wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
763
N647UA is currently showing ‘taxing to runway’ for UA2799 HKGHNL... appears N641UA will take its place.



UA could make money with these flights. Why do they leave HKG empty? is it to avoid any headaches that may come up with MX?

These craft arrive and depart HKG not passenger ready. All service items (galley equipment, medical emergency items, safety cards,etc) everything not part of structure, are removed, replaced in HNL.
Given this particular flight is now delayed 18 hours...so far... for Mx doesn’t help either.


i'm assuming the plane leaves HNL as a revenue flight then? or is it still a ferry flight?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:03 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Doesn't it look like the E2 is a dead duck due to scope clauses? Wiki says.
E175E2 is too heavy for scope clause and the extra row vs. E175 pushes it over 76 seats.
E195E2, does it have too many seats to be part of scope clause that would allow added 76 seaters?
E190E2 might be the only aircraft if flown by mainline crews that could allow addition of 76 seaters via scope clause.
Then there is always the trade-off of higher ownership costs vs. savings in maintenance and fuel. If flown short haul, overall fuel savings might not equal the higher purchase and ownership costs.

The E195-E2 is included with the scope clause to allow more 76ers, as is the E190-E2 and the A220-100 (CS100). The CS300/A220-300 is the one that is omitted, which I know makes sense, since it is essentially the same number of seats as a 319 or 73G, but at the same time, I think not allowing some sort of combined order between the A221 and A223 is one of the big things holding UA back. Swiss has implied that they are much happier with the 300 than the 100, and I think that has UA 2nd guessing the plane.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:18 pm

xxcr wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
xxcr wrote:


UA could make money with these flights. Why do they leave HKG empty? is it to avoid any headaches that may come up with MX?

These craft arrive and depart HKG not passenger ready. All service items (galley equipment, medical emergency items, safety cards,etc) everything not part of structure, are removed, replaced in HNL.
Given this particular flight is now delayed 18 hours...so far... for Mx doesn’t help either.


i'm assuming the plane leaves HNL as a revenue flight then? or is it still a ferry flight?

Still a ferry. Keep in mind it’s fairly normal for aircraft coming out of such heavy maintenance work to have a number of lingering gremlins to sort out. Given there is absolutely no guarantee the aircraft will be ready by a specific day and time It best not to complicate matters by adding passengers into the mix. Freight and cargo now might be a different matter... that I don’t know about.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:18 pm

iahcsr wrote:
xxcr wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
These craft arrive and depart HKG not passenger ready. All service items (galley equipment, medical emergency items, safety cards,etc) everything not part of structure, are removed, replaced in HNL.
Given this particular flight is now delayed 18 hours...so far... for Mx doesn’t help either.


i'm assuming the plane leaves HNL as a revenue flight then? or is it still a ferry flight?

Still a ferry. Keep in mind it’s fairly normal for aircraft coming out of such heavy maintenance work to have a number of lingering gremlins to sort out. Given there is absolutely no guarantee the aircraft will be ready by a specific day and time It best not to complicate matters by adding passengers into the mix. Freight and cargo now might be a different matter... that I don’t know about.


makes sense! thanks for the response.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:14 pm

flyguy84 wrote:
adamblang wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
E175E2 is too heavy for scope clause and the extra row vs. E175 pushes it over 76 seats.

I wouldn't be surprised if part of the scope update that's being asked for allow E175-E2 at UAX. Someday those E175-E1s are going to need to be replaced and I doubt the company's going to want to do that with CRJ-900s. Which gives the company side an especially complicated hand – when the E175s come up for replacement, there's nothing to replace with. They need pilots to move on regional jet weight and they want pilots to move on small mainline. If pilots agree to those two things, whatever the company offered in exchange is going to be what American and Delta are responding to when their contracts come up.

Without a doubt... the company will definitely want the ability to replace E1 with E2. With the same cap on the total numbers allowed and seat count, they’ll probably get the union to agree. There’s about 0% chance of the 175 being flown at mainline. The NSNB is inevitable as that’s the only way Kirby and gang will be able to add 175.


I won’t vote to raise the weight limit. Scope choke is working bring the pilot jobs back in house. I’ll negotiate and vote on a 76 seat pay rate, there is zero reason united pilots can’t fly the 175 E2
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:16 am

iahcsr wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
763
N647UA is currently showing ‘taxing to runway’ for UA2799 HKGHNL... appears N641UA will take its place.

Oops, spoke too soon. Gate return for MX... :roll:

It now appears N642UA will get out of HKG before 647.. That’s the plan anyway :scratchchin: :spin: :crossfingers: :crossfingers:
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:36 pm

iahcsr wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
763
N647UA is currently showing ‘taxing to runway’ for UA2799 HKGHNL... appears N641UA will take its place.

Oops, spoke too soon. Gate return for MX... :roll:

It now appears N642UA will get out of HKG before 647.. That’s the plan anyway :scratchchin: :spin: :crossfingers: :crossfingers:

Success :bigthumbsup: N642UA UA2799 6 Sep HKGHNL airborne.
N641UA UA2766 6Sep ORDHNL
N654UA will follow whenever 647 manages to escape the gremlin claws.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:27 pm

Quick question for the UA insiders here. I was on GCMap the other day and the featured map on the home page was a comprehensive list of UA’s 752 routes. Looking at the map I noticed EWR-FLL/MCO/TPA and DEN-MCO listed as flights operated by the 752.

Over the years there have been countless threads wherein posters state that the current generation 737s and 32X models competently fly routes that once necessitated 757s at lower costs. It’s now common place to see these aircraft on transcons and WC-HI routes that used to be the 757s mainstay.

The question I have is, why would UA operate higher cost 757s domestically on routes well within range of the 737s and 319/20 while operating 737s and 32X frames on routes that push their performance limits?

Moreover, all of these routes are to traditionally leisure markets under 4 hrs flying time and are operated by an aircraft that has 16 lie flats and has only 3 more seats than a 738 and 10 less than the 739.
Meanwhile, there are transcons between more business oriented markets and WC-HI routes pushing 6 hrs at times operated 738/9 equipment with standard first seats. Additionally, the 739s in particular struggle on WC-HI especially in winter and it’s not uncommon that passengers are left behind. Seems to me it would make more sense to use these 752s for business oriented transcons or to Hawaii where the performance of the 752 is more appropriate. Does anyone here know the methodology behind these flight being operated by the 752? Something I’m missing?

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:49 pm

Utilization, they get turns from 752s from EWR to Florida in between trans-Atlantic flights that they couldn’t using them for flights to Hawaii from California.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Sep 06, 2018 4:18 pm

The other issue is that some 753 aircraft are shown as 752 on Flight Aware. Currently there are 7 flights enroute that show 752 on Flight
Aware, but are being operated by 753s on UA.com. Only 3 752s operating currently are not on TATL,BOS/EWR-LAX/SFO: 2225 DEN-MCO a/c 3109, flight 246 EWR-LAX a/c 3111, flight 627 DEN-EWR a/c 3102.

Right now there are only 3 753s shown in the air on FlightAware vs. 31 752s. I don't know if this glitch is with FlightAware or if UA has the aircraft tagged wrong.

763:
N641UA sked to enter HKG Polaris mod 2767/7Sep
N647UA now sked to exit HKG 2770/8Sep with Polaris/winglets

772:
N774UA entered HKG 2782/2Sep, putting 3 772HD units in HKG currently for maint.

77W:
N2333U exited SFO 871/5Sep w/o PE.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:52 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
The other issue is that some 753 aircraft are shown as 752 on Flight Aware. Currently there are 7 flights enroute that show 752 on Flight
Aware, but are being operated by 753s on UA.com. Only 3 752s operating currently are not on TATL,BOS/EWR-LAX/SFO: 2225 DEN-MCO a/c 3109, flight 246 EWR-LAX a/c 3111, flight 627 DEN-EWR a/c 3102.

Right now there are only 3 753s shown in the air on FlightAware vs. 31 752s. I don't know if this glitch is with FlightAware or if UA has the aircraft tagged wrong.

763:
N641UA sked to enter HKG Polaris mod 2767/7Sep
N647UA now sked to exit HKG 2770/8Sep with Polaris/winglets

772:
N774UA entered HKG 2782/2Sep, putting 3 772HD units in HKG currently for maint.

77W:
N2333U exited SFO 871/5Sep w/o PE.


654 is showing it’s heading over to HKG tomorrow night on flight aware. Any idea if that’s going to hold out with 647 still on the deck over there?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:51 pm

STT757 wrote:
Utilization, they get turns from 752s from EWR to Florida in between trans-Atlantic flights that they couldn’t using them for flights to Hawaii from California.


Mahalos for the insight.

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:48 am

So that just leaves only one 3-class 767 remaining?
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:42 am

redrooster3 wrote:
So that just leaves only one 3-class 767 remaining?

Sure does!

If you look at the three ORD-LHR flights on Sunday, one's on the IPTE 763, one's on a Diamond 763, and one's on a Polaris 763. Take your pick of United premium cabin experiences!
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:40 am

kaitakfan wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
The other issue is that some 753 aircraft are shown as 752 on Flight Aware. Currently there are 7 flights enroute that show 752 on Flight
Aware, but are being operated by 753s on UA.com. Only 3 752s operating currently are not on TATL,BOS/EWR-LAX/SFO: 2225 DEN-MCO a/c 3109, flight 246 EWR-LAX a/c 3111, flight 627 DEN-EWR a/c 3102.

Right now there are only 3 753s shown in the air on FlightAware vs. 31 752s. I don't know if this glitch is with FlightAware or if UA has the aircraft tagged wrong.

763:
N641UA sked to enter HKG Polaris mod 2767/7Sep
N647UA now sked to exit HKG 2770/8Sep with Polaris/winglets

772:
N774UA entered HKG 2782/2Sep, putting 3 772HD units in HKG currently for maint.

77W:
N2333U exited SFO 871/5Sep w/o PE.


654 is showing it’s heading over to HKG tomorrow night on flight aware. Any idea if that’s going to hold out with 647 still on the deck over there?

Apparently not.. N654UA currently enroute UA2766 ORDHNL and onward UA2767 HKG. This despite 647 now showing departure on the 10th..
I’m guessing once the last 3 class, N660UA, goes in and 654 exits the three exHA will be next in-line.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:19 pm

763:
N675UA entered MIA 2759/8Sep, what the chances High Premium Polaris/PE is being installed at MIA? Vs. 2 class units, looks like only seating is being changed, no lavs or galley movement. N674UA has been in MIA since 7/2 and in numeric sequence with N675UA.

788:
N26902 sked to exit HKG 2790/9Sep
N45905 sked to enter XMN 1745/9Sep
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:49 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
763:
N675UA entered MIA 2759/8Sep, what the chances High Premium Polaris/PE is being installed at MIA? Vs. 2 class units, looks like only seating is being changed, no lavs or galley movement. N674UA has been in MIA since 7/2 and in numeric sequence with N675UA.

788:
N26902 sked to exit HKG 2790/9Sep
N45905 sked to enter XMN 1745/9Sep


What are those 2 788’s having done to them in HKG & XMN? Thanks
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:10 pm

We mostly cover the mods for the WBs, but what about old NB’s, 737-8/900s and old A319/320s?
Last week I was on an ORD/LGA flight on a A319. It was one of the original UA Airbus birds. Aside from the lav with the old floral wall paper (which btw wasn’t in bad condition) however, I was in seat 1F, the aircraft interior was in seriously bad shape. I’ve not ever seen a UA aircraft so poorly maintained- yet it had the new First Class seat?
There were “large, long” strips of glue and foam rubber residue stuck to the sidewall, those foam strips used between a bulkhead and sidewall were popping out all over and the wrong length, the scratches and scuffs on the walls were really bad, bulkheads and entry way were in really bad shape. In contrast to the CZ A319 renovated birds they fly along side with- this one looked like she was untouched from the CH-11 days. IMHO, this is something UA gets dinged for. (Although the service was great)
How could this NB have gone in to get the new F seat, but sent back out with everything else so tatty?
I don’t mind the dated look as much as the condition she was in. I’ll take dated but pristine over something from a junkyard!
I know UA has plenty on its plate with all the different renovations going on all over the system, but do they have a plan in place to fix up the birds with very old interiors that are really in dire need?
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:28 pm

fghtngsiouxatc wrote:
fun2fly wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
789
N29971 took C1 test hop flight at CHS today.


So, these are the two frames needed for IAH>SYD. Cutting it close? Doesn't that start in 10 days?


971 is a sUA 789 and the IAH-SYD route is flown by sCO flight attendants. As mentioned, there's a bit of slack in the 789 fleet right now.



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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:47 pm

VC10er wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
763:
N675UA entered MIA 2759/8Sep, what the chances High Premium Polaris/PE is being installed at MIA? Vs. 2 class units, looks like only seating is being changed, no lavs or galley movement. N674UA has been in MIA since 7/2 and in numeric sequence with N675UA.

788:
N26902 sked to exit HKG 2790/9Sep
N45905 sked to enter XMN 1745/9Sep


What are those 2 788’s having done to them in HKG & XMN? Thanks


The 767-300 High Density and 787 - 8 and 9 Aircraft. Will start Polaris outfitting in 2019. N675UA is just in MIA for a C Check..
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:01 pm

VC10er wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
763:
N675UA entered MIA 2759/8Sep, what the chances High Premium Polaris/PE is being installed at MIA? Vs. 2 class units, looks like only seating is being changed, no lavs or galley movement. N674UA has been in MIA since 7/2 and in numeric sequence with N675UA.

788:
N26902 sked to exit HKG 2790/9Sep
N45905 sked to enter XMN 1745/9Sep


What are those 2 788’s having done to them in HKG & XMN? Thanks


They're in for A-checks I believe, somebody asked this previously.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:06 pm

redrooster3 wrote:
VC10er wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
763:
N675UA entered MIA 2759/8Sep, what the chances High Premium Polaris/PE is being installed at MIA? Vs. 2 class units, looks like only seating is being changed, no lavs or galley movement. N674UA has been in MIA since 7/2 and in numeric sequence with N675UA.

788:
N26902 sked to exit HKG 2790/9Sep
N45905 sked to enter XMN 1745/9Sep


What are those 2 788’s having done to them in HKG & XMN? Thanks


They're in for A-checks I believe, somebody asked this previously.


A-checks in HKG/XMN? I thought UA did regular line checks in-house?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:31 am

redrooster3 wrote:
VC10er wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
763:
N675UA entered MIA 2759/8Sep, what the chances High Premium Polaris/PE is being installed at MIA? Vs. 2 class units, looks like only seating is being changed, no lavs or galley movement. N674UA has been in MIA since 7/2 and in numeric sequence with N675UA.

788:
N26902 sked to exit HKG 2790/9Sep
N45905 sked to enter XMN 1745/9Sep


What are those 2 788’s having done to them in HKG & XMN? Thanks


They're in for A-checks I believe, somebody asked this previously.


I think you may be mistaken, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most A-checks done every 8 weeks?
UA is not sending 787s to HKG/XMN every 8 weeks for an A-check.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:37 am

jayunited wrote:
redrooster3 wrote:
VC10er wrote:

What are those 2 788’s having done to them in HKG & XMN? Thanks


They're in for A-checks I believe, somebody asked this previously.


I think you may be mistaken, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most A-checks done every 8 weeks?
UA is not sending 787s to HKG/XMN every 8 weeks for an A-check.


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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:22 am

Any Aircraft in HKG or XMN are at least getting a C or a heavier check. All 4 777-200 ER's in XMN are getting D / HMV Checks + Polaris/Premium Seat Installs.

Now you know.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:36 pm

I am traveling EWR-LAX on 12/22. Does anyone know which flights will be operated by the 787-10? Any insider knowledge?
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- Airbus A321neoLR and A321neoXLR
- EMBRACER ERJ-170, ERJ-175, ERJ-190, and ERJ-195
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:29 am

FlightLevel360 wrote:
I am traveling EWR-LAX on 12/22. Does anyone know which flights will be operated by the 787-10? Any insider knowledge?

It’s way to early for such things to have been decided with any certainty. Even at the time it may well be unpublished equipment substitutions at first. Basically wait and watch for now.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:29 pm

78J
N14001 Evacuation ferry CHSPAE BOE37... First time showing on FlightAware. All previous test fights didn’t show by registration, just by flight #.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:21 pm

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78J
N14001 Evacuation ferry CHSPAE BOE37... First time showing on FlightAware. All previous test fights didn’t show by registration, just by flight #.


I usually don't post trash pics like the one below but it's news worthy. This is N14001 departing CHS this afternoon ahead of Florence's arrival. The flight line here is nearly empty.
Image
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:44 pm

CassidysVacay wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
78J
N14001 Evacuation ferry CHSPAE BOE37... First time showing on FlightAware. All previous test fights didn’t show by registration, just by flight #.


I usually don't post trash pics like the one below but it's news worthy. This is N14001 departing CHS this afternoon ahead of Florence's arrival. The flight line here is nearly empty.
Image


Wow, that’s a great picture. Thanks for sharing.

The livery looks good on the 787-10.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:16 am

adamblang wrote:
A thread over on FlyerTalk says these United aircraft have channel 9 in the seatback entertainment:

sUA 777-200ERs
sCO 777-200ERs
sUA 777-300ERs
sUA 777-200As
sUA 767-300ERs
sCO 767-400ERs
sUA 757-200


The last four times I've asked the FA's to ask the pilots to turn on Ch. 9, the FA's have gone away to ask and then reported back to me that the pilots said 'no'.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:16 am

Awesome picture! I cannot wait to see the Polaris cabin with 787 interiors. I love the giant window wells on the 787, they remind me of a row of arches in architecture.
I hope UA gets more than 14!
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:23 am

mcg wrote:
adamblang wrote:
A thread over on FlyerTalk says these United aircraft have channel 9 in the seatback entertainment:

sUA 777-200ERs
sCO 777-200ERs
sUA 777-300ERs
sUA 777-200As
sUA 767-300ERs
sCO 767-400ERs
sUA 757-200


The last four times I've asked the FA's to ask the pilots to turn on Ch. 9, the FA's have gone away to ask and then reported back to me that the pilots said 'no'.


If you tell the FA you’re afraid of flying and Ch9 comforts you when you hear the pilots talk calmly. It’s worked for a friend of mine who truly is frightened of flying and always flew United because Ch9 did actually comfort her- especially during turbulence. Good luck!
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:08 am

Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:32 am

CassidysVacay wrote:
I usually don't post trash pics like the one below but it's news worthy.

Eh, it's better composed than most of the photos in this site's database – it's not cropped to within an inch of its life. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:55 pm

VC10er wrote:
mcg wrote:
adamblang wrote:
A thread over on FlyerTalk says these United aircraft have channel 9 in the seatback entertainment:

sUA 777-200ERs
sCO 777-200ERs
sUA 777-300ERs
sUA 777-200As
sUA 767-300ERs
sCO 767-400ERs
sUA 757-200


The last four times I've asked the FA's to ask the pilots to turn on Ch. 9, the FA's have gone away to ask and then reported back to me that the pilots said 'no'.


If you tell the FA you’re afraid of flying and Ch9 comforts you when you hear the pilots talk calmly. It’s worked for a friend of mine who truly is frightened of flying and always flew United because Ch9 did actually comfort her- especially during turbulence. Good luck!

Also, if you do that regularly, it might persuade pilots who just in general think it's a bad thing. If they understand why passengers like it, a few might change their perspective on it.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:39 pm

mcg wrote:
adamblang wrote:
A thread over on FlyerTalk says these United aircraft have channel 9 in the seatback entertainment:

sUA 777-200ERs
sCO 777-200ERs
sUA 777-300ERs
sUA 777-200As
sUA 767-300ERs
sCO 767-400ERs
sUA 757-200


The last four times I've asked the FA's to ask the pilots to turn on Ch. 9, the FA's have gone away to ask and then reported back to me that the pilots said 'no'.

Honestly, Channel 9 won't be terribly relevant for much longer outside of the terminal area anyway.

Tower and TRACON will continue to rely on voice comms (although Clearance Delivery has been automated at most major airports for years), but Enroute is currently phasing in datacomm using CPDLC. Indy and Kansas City Centers have been in testing for a few months now, and most centers will have datacomm fully operational by the spring or summer.

Initially, it just means that things like frequency changes and some basic control instructions (like altitude changes, descend via clearances, speed changes for in-trail spacing, etc.) will be via text instead of voice comms, but eventually most communications between controllers and pilots during the enroute phase will be automated. It won't be a replacement for voice comms, but it will make many frequencies pretty quiet for most of the time. Maybe Channel 9 will still be nice for taxi and takeoff/landing, but outside of that, it will get increasingly boring in the coming years.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:38 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
mcg wrote:
adamblang wrote:
A thread over on FlyerTalk says these United aircraft have channel 9 in the seatback entertainment:

sUA 777-200ERs
sCO 777-200ERs
sUA 777-300ERs
sUA 777-200As
sUA 767-300ERs
sCO 767-400ERs
sUA 757-200


The last four times I've asked the FA's to ask the pilots to turn on Ch. 9, the FA's have gone away to ask and then reported back to me that the pilots said 'no'.

Honestly, Channel 9 won't be terribly relevant for much longer outside of the terminal area anyway.

Tower and TRACON will continue to rely on voice comms (although Clearance Delivery has been automated at most major airports for years), but Enroute is currently phasing in datacomm using CPDLC. Indy and Kansas City Centers have been in testing for a few months now, and most centers will have datacomm fully operational by the spring or summer.

Initially, it just means that things like frequency changes and some basic control instructions (like altitude changes, descend via clearances, speed changes for in-trail spacing, etc.) will be via text instead of voice comms, but eventually most communications between controllers and pilots during the enroute phase will be automated. It won't be a replacement for voice comms, but it will make many frequencies pretty quiet for most of the time. Maybe Channel 9 will still be nice for taxi and takeoff/landing, but outside of that, it will get increasingly boring in the coming years.


I was always frustrated with it because it seemed like for the most part pilots where using Comm 2 for ramp tower and ground. And tower was on Comm 1. So Channel 9 would be quiet for taxi. You’d hear the takeoff announcement, and shortly after the initial handoff to approach the flight attendants would begin a 5 minute spiel on all the “exciting” new MileagePlus offers and by the time they finish you’d be climbing into the Center frequency which is not very entertaining. Then on approach you’d miss all the good stuff as they talk about preparing the cabin and how an agent will meet our flight to discuss connections.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:15 am

772:
N771UA sked to exit HKG 2784/14Sep, maint only
N774UA exited HKG 2776/12Sep, maint only

UAX
E45X:
N14174 has left ExpressJet for transfer to CommutAir
 
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:53 am

I just read an article in the Chicago Business Journal about United’s traffic growth in August. (I read it in a UA posting on LinkedIn) Now, I’ll be honest and say I don’t know what constitutes an “impressive” percentage increase, but personally I would think the numbers are pretty impressive.
Overall system wide + 7.8% over last year
International + 5%
Domestic (inc regional) + 10%
TATL + 9.8%
Latam + 6.6%
Asia was down slightly
The article didn’t break out Premium vs Economy, which would have been very interesting to know as August 2017 didn’t have any (or much) true Polaris seats or Lounges.
The article did not discuss anything about more seats in the sky except for increased domestic, and I don’t know with all the 747s gone if there is a net gain or loss in total seats in the sky in general, Eg; impact of the 17 77Ws and some more NBs?
Are DL and AA reporting higher traffic numbers also for August, therefore part of a wave?

So I’m wondering what to attribute the increases to? Fares are clearly higher, but the economy is good, but is United doing something right? Eg; managing better, new destinations (especially domestic) are 12 months of investment (Polaris, etc, etc) showing an ROI?
Or all the above?
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:02 am

With N660UA being the only IPTE 763 current running the ORD>LHR route, how does UA sell this route vs. the new 763's? With only 183 seats vs. 214 for the two 763 configurations.
 
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:27 am

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With N660UA being the only IPTE 763 current running the ORD>LHR route, how does UA sell this route vs. the new 763's? With only 183 seats vs. 214 for the two 763 configurations.


They don’t sell first class anymore, so aircfract swaps shouldn’t ever be an issue. Seat map is loaded as a generic diamond seating setting, and then changed when UA assigns the actual aircraft to the route.
 
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:30 am

splitterz wrote:
fun2fly wrote:
With N660UA being the only IPTE 763 current running the ORD>LHR route, how does UA sell this route vs. the new 763's? With only 183 seats vs. 214 for the two 763 configurations.


They don’t sell first class anymore, so aircfract swaps shouldn’t ever be an issue. Seat map is loaded as a generic diamond seating setting, and then changed when UA assigns the actual aircraft to the route.


So what happens when you sell 214 diamond seats and you only have 183 IPTE?
 
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:54 pm

It looks like UA can swap which ORD-LHR flights can be operated by N660UA and place the aircraft on flights that can handle the lower capacity. While it appears turns in LHR on ORD flights can't be swapped without delay, the first 2 ORD-LHR flights can be swapped and maybe other 763s are in ORD to allow more flexibility.

My guess is if all three ORD-LHR flights are at 214 sold, UA would look to move N660UA to another route that might have space rather than have oversales. Or, with Fall schedules, there may be spares that could allow N660UA to sit for a day in ORD.

If UA does have spare 763s currently, I don't know why they don't pull N660UA from service or turn it into a spare. A third line in HKG could expedite Polaris conversion and probably place all three HA birds in HKG at the same time for conversion.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:12 pm

fghtngsiouxatc wrote:
fun2fly wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
789
N29971 took C1 test hop flight at CHS today.


So, these are the two frames needed for IAH>SYD. Cutting it close? Doesn't that start in 10 days?


971 is a sUA 789 and the IAH-SYD route is flown by sCO flight attendants. As mentioned, there's a bit of slack in the 789 fleet right now.


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