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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:24 pm

tigerotor77w wrote:
Am I correct in seeing from the UA fleet site (https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... l-upgrades) that only 77Es are at the moment running with the Premium Plus seats?

I.e. chances of getting a Premium Plus upgrade on a TATL 772 is zero (unless equipment swaps).

Are there plans to incorporate premium plus into the 772s?

I assume this is a question about 777-200A vs 777-200ER. All of the 777-200As are in domestic configurations and will never have Premium Plus. All of the 777s doing international services* are 777-200ERs, including those doing TATL flights.

* There are a couple of TATL routes being flown by domestic 777-200As.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:31 pm

tigerotor77w wrote:
Am I correct in seeing from the UA fleet site (https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... l-upgrades) that only 77Es are at the moment running with the Premium Plus seats?

I.e. chances of getting a Premium Plus upgrade on a TATL 772 is zero (unless equipment swaps).

Are there plans to incorporate premium plus into the 772s?


For now Premium Plus seats are sold as economy plus seats, passengers with status may select a premium plus seat for free like the normally would an economy plus seat. That selection time frame to get this seat for free is determined by your status. The other option if there is no status is to simply purchase an economy plus seat and perhaps when you are checking if you are on an aircraft that has Premium Plus installed then try to change your seat into one of those seats.
Ever since United rolled out the Premium Plus seats I've been noticing at least half of the seats are being taken by paying customers and the remainder are going to nonrevs who didn't get a business class seat or are going out empty. Once United starts selling the seats and the upgraded service launches I'm not sure if that trend will continue or if we will see a higher number of passenger purchasing Premium Plus seats.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:03 pm

The 77W is having PE installed and have 4 or 17 now flying with PE - 1 in mod:
Looks like last unit just delivered doesn't have PE installed
There are currently 314 PE seats flying around on 9 77E and 4 77W units.

772:
N212UA entered HKG maint 2782/25Nov
N77012 entered HKG 179/29Nov
N78013 sked to exit HKG 180/1Dec after short maint visit

789:
N36962 exited XMN maint 2741/30Nov
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:46 pm

adamblang wrote:
I assume this is a question about 777-200A vs 777-200ER. All of the 777-200As are in domestic configurations and will never have Premium Plus. All of the 777s doing international services* are 777-200ERs, including those doing TATL flights.

* There are a couple of TATL routes being flown by domestic 777-200As.


Hmm, very interesting -- historically (I fully admit that this isn't based on any factual data, so I'm certainly not arguing that I even could remotely be right!) I always thought the domestic birds were interchangeable with the 77Es on TATL routes. Thanks for the clarification.

Are there specific routes that are flown by 777-200As, or are the routes [that end up with 772s] themselves fairly random?

Either way, I guess from calpsafltskeds' post I have nine planes that might allow me to get into Premium Plus :D

calpsafltskeds wrote:
There are currently 314 PE seats flying around on 9 77E and 4 77W units.


jayunited wrote:
For now Premium Plus seats are sold as economy plus seats, passengers with status may select a premium plus seat for free like the normally would an economy plus seat. That selection time frame to get this seat for free is determined by your status. The other option if there is no status is to simply purchase an economy plus seat and perhaps when you are checking if you are on an aircraft that has Premium Plus installed then try to change your seat into one of those seats.
Ever since United rolled out the Premium Plus seats I've been noticing at least half of the seats are being taken by paying customers and the remainder are going to nonrevs who didn't get a business class seat or are going out empty. Once United starts selling the seats and the upgraded service launches I'm not sure if that trend will continue or if we will see a higher number of passenger purchasing Premium Plus seats.


I grabbed a seat in row 22 just in case the plane ends up being one with Premium Plus (I'm measly Premier Gold at UA). I knew it wasn't officially being sold as a distinct fare class yet, but I also didn't think an upcoming flight would be on a type that would have Premium Plus at all. Now it's just wait and see if the specific 77E (if it's a 77E) has it...

Interesting observation about the seat utilization. UA Y+ -- at least on flights I've been on -- hasn't been too full, so with the new product I'm not sure if paying passengers will move into PE if the pricing isn't right.

On the other hand, I've been on six SQ PE flights this year and in every case the PE section was completely or one or two seats shy of full.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:45 pm

N2748U or 2148 Did have PP installed at the factory. It is getting normal PDM's done.
N79011 or 0011 1st Sub CO 777-200 to be getting Polaris & PP installed along with it's C Check in HKG.
First HA bird N588HA to N684UA to HKG today for Polaris and Heavy Check.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:36 pm

From the other thread, you see the PE starting earlier than the 78J announcements. It's interesting places like CDG are offered 3x SFO/EWR/IAD over what you'd expect LHR/FRA/MUC. It's also interesting that the UA772's are headed to EWR which hasn't been a regular occurance, or at least not in this mass. Finally, after years we're right: HKG/BOM/TLV/NRT all got the 77W! No PVG/PEK however.

777-300ER schedule
Date UA Flight Depart Departure Time Arrive Arrival Time
March 30 UA 179 EWR 3:15 p.m. HKG (Hong Kong) 7:10 p.m.
March 30 UA 48 EWR 8:10 p.m. BOM (Mumbai) 8:50 p.m.
March 30 UA 90 EWR 10:50 p.m. TLV (Tel Aviv) 4:20 p.m.
March 30 UA 79 EWR 11:05 p.m. NRT (Tokyo) 1:55 p.m.
March 30 UA 58 SFO 1:50 p.m. FRA (Frankfurt) 9:55 a.m.
March 30 UA 869 SFO 1:00 p.m. HKG (Hong Kong) 6:45 p.m.
March 30 UA 871 SFO 2:00 p.m. TPE (Taipei) 6:45 p.m.
March 30 UA 954 SFO 7:45 p.m. TLV (Tel Aviv) 7:55 p.m.
March 30 UA 837 SFO 11:30 a.m. NRT (Tokyo) 2:35 p.m.
April 29 UA 901 SFO 12:25 p.m. LHR (London) 6:55 a.m.



777-200ER schedule
Date UA Flight Depart Departure Time Arrive Arrival Time
March 30 UA 999 EWR 6:30 p.m. BRU (Brussels) 7:45 a.m.
March 30 UA 57 EWR 6:30 p.m. CDG (Paris) 7:45 a.m.
March 30 UA 917 SFO 11:10 p.m. AKL (Auckland) 8:20 a.m.
March 30 UA 888 SFO 10:55 a.m. PEK (Beijing) 2:20 p.m.
March 30 UA 926 SFO 7:15 p.m. FRA (Frankfurt) 3:15 p.m.
April 29 UA 990 SFO 2:50 p.m. CDG (Paris) 10:35 a.m.
March 30 UA 950 IAD 5:40 p.m. BRU (Brussels) 7:15 a.m.
April 29 UA 915 IAD 5:20 p.m. CDG (Paris) 6:55 a.m.
May 22 UA 72 IAD 10:30 p.m. TLV (Tel Aviv) 4:30 p.m.



787-10 schedule
Date UA Flight Depart Departure Time Arrive Arrival Time
March 30 UA 960 EWR 7:40 p.m. FRA (Frankfurt) 9:10 a.m.
March 30 UA 84 EWR 4:55 p.m. TLV (Tel Aviv) 10:15 a.m.
April 29 UA 57 EWR 6:40 p.m. CDG (Paris) 7:45 a.m.
April 29 UA 120 EWR 7:30 p.m. BCN (Barcelona) 9:00 a.m.
May 22 UA 999 EWR 6:30 p.m. BRU (Brussels) 7:45 a.m.
May 22 UA 23 EWR 7:25 p.m. DUB (Dublin) 7:05 a.m.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:07 pm

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39M
N27509 Delivery UA2704 29Nov BFISEA
78J
N14001 Ferry UA2764 30Nov EWRLAX. Any bets on SFO next?


My guess is that it will position back to EWR for an ETOPS proving run early next week. I wouldn’t be surprised to see it show up in at least one other hub afterwards.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:33 pm

CALTECH wrote:
7512 737MAX-9.. 512 43449 N47512 7361 19
7513 737MAX-9.. 513 64494 N37513 7394 19


Previously this was posted:

7511 737MAX-9 43449 N27511 7338......19 ........42 / 61
7512 737MAX-9 43449 N47512 7361......19 ........42 / 61


May I ask what's the correct MSNs for 7511, please?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:24 pm

tigerotor77w wrote:
Are there specific routes that are flown by 777-200As, or are the routes [that end up with 772s] themselves fairly random?

777-200As are currently on
  • BOS-SFO
  • CUN-ORD
  • GUM-HNL
  • DEN-HNL
  • DEN-LAX
  • DEN-SFO
  • EWR-DUB
  • EWR-LAX
  • EWR-SFO
  • GUM-NRT
  • HNL-IAH
  • HNL-ORD
  • HNL-SFO
  • IAH-LAX
  • OGG-ORD
  • ORD-SFO
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:25 am

tigerotor77w wrote:
Hmm, very interesting -- historically (I fully admit that this isn't based on any factual data, so I'm certainly not arguing that I even could remotely be right!) I always thought the domestic birds were interchangeable with the 77Es on TATL routes.


Historically, the domestic 777 fleet was much smaller, but there was a fleet of 777-200As configured in a three-class international layout. Approximately 2-3 years ago, the entire fleet of 200As was reconfigured into a high-density domestic layout, with the older IPTE business class now serving as domestic first.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:27 pm

wn676 wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
39M
N27509 Delivery UA2704 29Nov BFISEA
78J
N14001 Ferry UA2764 30Nov EWRLAX. Any bets on SFO next?


My guess is that it will position back to EWR for an ETOPS proving run early next week. I wouldn’t be surprised to see it show up in at least one other hub afterwards.

Your guess is correct
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:22 pm

OK, I posted a spreadsheet of Polaris activities on the Fleet site. It shows each fleet in columns with completed, in mod and waiting for conversion from top to bottom. Colors indicate, Polaris, Polaris with PE , mod and no color for those aircraft waiting for conversion. There is a running total on the bottom left of units converted and a percentage of units converted. there is also a seating configuration count in the center bottom.

Check it out and let me know if it needs anything.
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... ris-update
It is linked near the top of the home page above the large logo on the fleet site. I've added it to my signature on my posts.

763:
N673UA entered LCQ 2755/2Dec
N677UA sked to exit LCQ 2756/2Dec
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:22 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
OK, I posted a spreadsheet of Polaris activities on the Fleet site. It shows each fleet in columns with completed, in mod and waiting for conversion from top to bottom. Colors indicate, Polaris, Polaris with PE , mod and no color for those aircraft waiting for conversion. There is a running total on the bottom left of units converted and a percentage of units converted. there is also a seating configuration count in the center bottom.

Check it out and let me know if it needs anything.
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... ris-update
It is linked near the top of the home page above the large logo on the fleet site. I've added it to my signature on my posts.

763:
N673UA entered LCQ 2755/2Dec
N677UA sked to exit LCQ 2756/2Dec

Looks perfect to me.... now if we can get everyone to look there first before asking here :crossfingers: :bigthumbsup: :bigthumbsup: :bigthumbsup: :bigthumbsup: :bigthumbsup: :bigthumbsup: :bigthumbsup: :bigthumbsup: :bigthumbsup:
(BTW... don’t forget to update status on N684UA on Mx/Mod location page)
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:07 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Check it out and let me know if it needs anything.
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... ris-update
It is linked near the top of the home page above the large logo on the fleet site. I've added it to my signature on my posts.


This is really great! Can you put a tab for this on the main site? I can only access this page by clicking on the specific link. Hope that makes sense. :D
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:24 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
OK, I posted a spreadsheet of Polaris activities on the Fleet site. It shows each fleet in columns with completed, in mod and waiting for conversion from top to bottom. Colors indicate, Polaris, Polaris with PE , mod and no color for those aircraft waiting for conversion. There is a running total on the bottom left of units converted and a percentage of units converted. there is also a seating configuration count in the center bottom.

Check it out and let me know if it needs anything.
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... ris-update
It is linked near the top of the home page above the large logo on the fleet site. I've added it to my signature on my posts.

763:
N673UA entered LCQ 2755/2Dec
N677UA sked to exit LCQ 2756/2Dec


Awesome work!

So it's looking like that ALL Former 3 Class 763's, went to 2 Class and now have Polaris, except for N660UA? Is that the correct idea to grab from that?

The already 2 Class 763, is what I am still getting confused on, the ones that have the Diamond J Seats.

They are getting Polaris? (Yes or No?)

If No, are they the ones that are being refitted to the Low Density 48J Seats?

If Yes, are the new Low Density J Seats, Polaris or another Business Class Seat?

It is my understanding now that ALL 763's in Economy (except for N660UA) have been refitted and updated to the Leather Seats, new overhead bins, and bigger PTV's, and not the ones that are smaller then the palm of my hand? LOL

Thanks guys and great work seriously!

I flew N225UA FRA-ORD and it still had the old cloth seats, and Tulip all over the overhead bins, good lord!

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:20 pm

747d10 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
Check it out and let me know if it needs anything.
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... ris-update
It is linked near the top of the home page above the large logo on the fleet site. I've added it to my signature on my posts.


This is really great! Can you put a tab for this on the main site? I can only access this page by clicking on the specific link. Hope that makes sense. :D

I’m sure he will when he has time... the “Polaris Update” button on the “Welcome Aboard” front page is a quick and easy link for now. Even nicer is we can go to all the other pages from there :bigthumbsup:
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:26 pm

It Makes you wonder why UA is keeping N660UA, which needs a total gut job instead of retiring it and keeping N661UA, N662UA or N663UA for Polaris, which are the same age and already have bins, etc. installed. Maybe UA doesn't want to pull any aircraft from service - N660UA could just keep doing ORD-LHR until one of the HA birds can replace it?????

It was a several step process to see where we are today on the 763s.
UA had decided to keep just the 1998-2000 build 763s right after the merger, so those were converted to 2 class.
Later, it was decided to keep the remaining ITPE birds, so some got 2 class and the remainder are getting High J Polaris and PE.
That doesn't include the oldest 2 class 763s will be retied and not get Polaris.

So, all 763 that will remain with UA over the "long Haul" will get either Polaris or High J Polaris except the 7 older 2 class birds, which will be retired.

The spreadsheet shows 3 sets of 763s.
76A, Were ITPE, Polaris, no PE - all 14 complete except N660UA
76C, 2 Class birds, 7 will retire without Polaris, 14 shown in 76L column - will become High J 76L and 3 HA 763s will become High J 76L Total 17 High J Polaris units
76L, High J/PE that are currently stating the mod process for 17 total units, including 3 Ex HA birds
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:01 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
OK, I posted a spreadsheet of Polaris activities on the Fleet site. It shows each fleet in columns with completed, in mod and waiting for conversion from top to bottom. Colors indicate, Polaris, Polaris with PE , mod and no color for those aircraft waiting for conversion. There is a running total on the bottom left of units converted and a percentage of units converted. there is also a seating configuration count in the center bottom.

Check it out and let me know if it needs anything.
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... ris-update
It is linked near the top of the home page above the large logo on the fleet site. I've added it to my signature on my posts.

763:
N673UA entered LCQ 2755/2Dec
N677UA sked to exit LCQ 2756/2Dec

Has UA said that the lower J, Polaris 763's are definitely not getting Premium Plus, or have they just not announced a decision/timetable? It is good that it is planned for the High J arrangement, but I want it on every widebody (or really every aircraft, eventually)
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:48 am

iahcsr wrote:
747d10 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
Check it out and let me know if it needs anything.
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... ris-update
It is linked near the top of the home page above the large logo on the fleet site. I've added it to my signature on my posts.


This is really great! Can you put a tab for this on the main site? I can only access this page by clicking on the specific link. Hope that makes sense. :D

I’m sure he will when he has time... the “Polaris Update” button on the “Welcome Aboard” front page is a quick and easy link for now. Even nicer is we can go to all the other pages from there :bigthumbsup:


Got it! Easy peasy. :checkmark: :D
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:53 am

UAX Update:

CR2:
N908EV (2002 build) has entered the UAX fleet with ExpressJet (10th in fleet)

E45X:
N14173 has left ExpressJet and is now flying UAX with CommutAir (31st in Fleet)
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:38 pm

78X:
N14001 sked 2764/4Dec EWR-FRA, first time over the pond
Looks like 2764 is the flight number assigned to this aircraft during system proving runs
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:36 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
78X:
N14001 sked 2764/4Dec EWR-FRA, first time over the pond
Looks like 2764 is the flight number assigned to this aircraft during system proving runs

That flight now shows code99 ( canceled ), both to EWR and FRA :spit: Not quite ready for that yet I guess.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:02 pm

iahcsr wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
78X:
N14001 sked 2764/4Dec EWR-FRA, first time over the pond
Looks like 2764 is the flight number assigned to this aircraft during system proving runs

That flight now shows code99 ( canceled ), both to EWR and FRA :spit: Not quite ready for that yet I guess.


N14001 is still sitting at the maintenance pad at LAX, it was supposed to fly LAX-EWR today but that proving flight was scratched as well. There should be an update later today or early tomorrow.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:01 am

Question on the 77E fleet.. I fly SFO-LHR a lot and we see a bit of a mix of refurbed Polaris configurations and sUA configurations. As such, the seat map is a bit of a hybrid of the two to allow for interchangeability. Strangely for my flight, there are no seats available to select in Y or Y+ even though the fare buckets are still showing Y9 YN9 B9 M9 E9 U9 H7 HN7 Q1. Is this just the amount that they oversell the flight (based on data of no-shows, cancellations, etc) or is it for operational reasons to allow the two sub fleets to switch easily? I’m booked in Q pending a GPU with 16 seats showing open in business?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:56 pm

78J
N12003 shows scheduled/filed for B1 today, BOE39 CHSCHS
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:39 pm

Premium Plus is now officially for sale beginning March 30.

United Premium Plus is on the way

Now available for purchase.

Earlier this year we announced United® Premium Plus – a new premium economy experience coming to most long-haul international flights that features a roomy seat that’s even more spacious and relaxing than Economy Plus® seats. We’ve already started installing the new seat on board and you can now purchase United® Premium Plus for travel on select flights beginning March 30.

With United® Premium Plus, you’ll also enjoy upgraded dining, complimentary cocktails and convenient perks, such as an amenity kit that’s yours to keep and a Saks Fifth Avenue pillow and blanket to help you better enjoy your downtime in the air. At the airport, you’ll receive two free standard checked bags, United Club℠ access at a discounted price and Premier Access®.

United® Premium Plus is also available for award travel, and offers more flexibility and options for upgrades.


A promotional microsite has launched. Among the interesting things on it, it shows 14 763s and 14 764s as among the planes that will be receiving it.

https://view.ceros.com/united/premiumplus/p/1
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:58 pm

intotheair wrote:
A promotional microsite has launched. Among the interesting things on it, it shows 14 763s and 14 764s as among the planes that will be receiving it.

https://view.ceros.com/united/premiumplus/p/1


16 764s, which is the totality of the fleet. The 14 763s is interesting, since the plan is apparently for 17 76L (with 46J) and only those frames are slated to receive PP.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:57 pm

I see UA.com added the 764 to the progress chart. I was out of commission for a week- so I’m curious if they were just added.
I read that the 764 will have less Polaris than the 763 due to emergency doors? If this is true would the 764 potentially get larger W sections or be used on different missions?
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:41 am

UAX Update:

CR2:
N868AS (2001 build) entered UAX fleet with ExpressJet
N860AS (2000 build) entered UAX fleet with ExpressJet
Total in fleet = 12
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:01 am

iahcsr wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
78X:
N14001 sked 2764/4Dec EWR-FRA, first time over the pond
Looks like 2764 is the flight number assigned to this aircraft during system proving runs

That flight now shows code99 ( canceled ), both to EWR and FRA :spit: Not quite ready for that yet I guess.


EWR-FRA rescheduled for the 5th and returning the 6th. 1002 may also operate at least one proving run.
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Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:18 am

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iahcsr wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
78X:
N14001 sked 2764/4Dec EWR-FRA, first time over the pond
Looks like 2764 is the flight number assigned to this aircraft during system proving runs

That flight now shows code99 ( canceled ), both to EWR and FRA :spit: Not quite ready for that yet I guess.


N14001 is still sitting at the maintenance pad at LAX, it was supposed to fly LAX-EWR today but that proving flight was scratched as well. There should be an update later today or early tomorrow.

And now the flight from EWR>FRA has been cancelled for 5/Dec. Is it still at LAX?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N14001
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:41 am

audidudi wrote:
jayunited wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
That flight now shows code99 ( canceled ), both to EWR and FRA :spit: Not quite ready for that yet I guess.


N14001 is still sitting at the maintenance pad at LAX, it was supposed to fly LAX-EWR today but that proving flight was scratched as well. There should be an update later today or early tomorrow.

And now the flight from EWR>FRA has been cancelled for 5/Dec. Is it still at LAX?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N14001

Per FlightAware, that would be affirmative.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:55 pm

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I see UA.com added the 764 to the progress chart. I was out of commission for a week- so I’m curious if they were just added.
I read that the 764 will have less Polaris than the 763 due to emergency doors? If this is true would the 764 potentially get larger W sections or be used on different missions?

The 764 has interesting potential, now that the 78J's are designed to fill the role the 764's did before, Premium heavy shorter routes to Europe. I could see the 764 shifting largely to South America in the short term and potentially replacing the 77A's in the longer term. Obviously not one for one, but with some other aircraft thrown in, that could be their specialty.
 
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Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:02 pm

cosyr wrote:
VC10er wrote:
I see UA.com added the 764 to the progress chart. I was out of commission for a week- so I’m curious if they were just added.
I read that the 764 will have less Polaris than the 763 due to emergency doors? If this is true would the 764 potentially get larger W sections or be used on different missions?

The 764 has interesting potential, now that the 78J's are designed to fill the role the 764's did before, Premium heavy shorter routes to Europe. I could see the 764 shifting largely to South America in the short term and potentially replacing the 77A's in the longer term. Obviously not one for one, but with some other aircraft thrown in, that could be their specialty.


Does the 764 have the legs to Deep South America? United will ultimately have a very flexible fleet for a while (not that I’m am an expert on those things!)
Once the 78J’s and 789’s are all delivered, will there be capacity for new international destinations?
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Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:59 pm

The 764 should cover all but one deep SA route for sure. 764 flies EWR-HNL with a higher wind component than SA. EWR-HNL is 4312NM. The 764 has flown IAH-FRA at 4547NM and currently flies EWR-EZE 4597nm, which is longer than IAH-EZE/SCL.
ORD-EZE is probably out of the 764 range at 4868nm. Any potential future SFO-deep SA service is over 5600NM and out of 764 range. Note: the 78X has a 800+nm longer range than the 764 and could operate all possible SA routes..

UA has announced EWR-Naples IT/Prague CR, IAD-TLV and SFO-AMS that will take a 4 to 6 widebodies to operate.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:07 pm

cosyr wrote:
VC10er wrote:
I see UA.com added the 764 to the progress chart. I was out of commission for a week- so I’m curious if they were just added.
I read that the 764 will have less Polaris than the 763 due to emergency doors? If this is true would the 764 potentially get larger W sections or be used on different missions?

The 764 has interesting potential, now that the 78J's are designed to fill the role the 764's did before, Premium heavy shorter routes to Europe. I could see the 764 shifting largely to South America in the short term and potentially replacing the 77A's in the longer term. Obviously not one for one, but with some other aircraft thrown in, that could be their specialty.


The 78J has quite a bit more range than the 764 and 78 more seats... if anything, it's more of a 772 replacement in the original "A-market".

VC10er wrote:
Does the 764 have the legs to Deep South America? United will ultimately have a very flexible fleet for a while (not that I’m am an expert on those things!)
Once the 78J’s and 789’s are all delivered, will there be capacity for new international destinations?


Yes... currently only EWR-EZE, which is the longest 767 flight at UAL. The current portfolio of deep SA flying is within the 764's wheelhouse.
 
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Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:41 pm

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:54 pm

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M12003 B2 BOE39 PAEPDX 4Dec for painting.


Small corrections, CHS-PDX and the reg is N12003.
 
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Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:48 pm

The 78X would be a prefect replacement for 772A aircraft on routes with high cargo and/or Y demand while having enough BF seating for most TATL routes.
In the long run, it appears to me the 78X could be best utilized out of EWR on routes like EWR-HNL-GUM-NRT where there would be no weight restrictions and huge cargo potential vs. the 772.
UA already announced service this summer to EWR-BCN/DUB/FRA/CDG/BRU/TLV with the 78X. FCO is always full in the Summer and could use the lift at some point as well. I see that FCO-IAD and FCO to EWR will be 772ERs this coming Summer.
The 78X has 27% more cubic feet of cargo space vs the 772ER and only trails the larger 77W by 5%. A huge cargo lifter for routes up to 5,000 NM. The few routes over that length can work with 772ER, 77W and 788/789 equipment.
Note that the 789 has a 15% more cubic feet of cargo capacity than the slightly larger 772.
The 78X has a whopping 38% more cubic feet than the 764.
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:35 am

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iahcsr wrote:
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M12003 B2 BOE39 PAEPDX 4Dec for painting.


Small corrections, CHS-PDX and the reg is N12003.

I really must stop and proofread better before hitting ‘submit’ :banghead: :crazy: :cry2:
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Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:46 am

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ikolkyo wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
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M12003 B2 BOE39 PAEPDX 4Dec for painting.


Small corrections, CHS-PDX and the reg is N12003.

I really must stop and proofread better before hitting ‘submit’ :banghead: :crazy: :cry2:


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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:18 pm

Looks like 77W N2138U is back in action today with PE headed to AKL. Next one up?

The 18th unit should be done in SFO soon as it arrived on 12/6.
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:41 pm

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N2138U not showing PE on 917/6Dec seat map, hopefully aircraft has PE
N2639U sked to enter SFO 59/6Dec, PE??

788:
N27903 sked to exit HKG 2763/9Dec
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:23 pm

I am currently on 6447 and I am impressed. The average passenger would think this was a brand new plane. Everything was refreshed.

The details are well done. Subtle lighting and clever incorporation of the logo all over the aircraft. Very well done.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:43 am

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N2138U not showing PE on 917/6Dec seat map, hopefully aircraft has PE
N2639U sked to enter SFO 59/6Dec, PE??


UA flight status now showing 2139 doing the AKL flight (917).
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Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:54 am

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Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:02 am

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I am currently on 6447 and I am impressed. The average passenger would think this was a brand new plane. Everything was refreshed.

The details are well done. Subtle lighting and clever incorporation of the logo all over the aircraft. Very well done.


What kind of aircraft is 6447? (For those less savvy among us?)

I was on a refurbished 763 (in Polaris) and was astounded at how new she looked inside. Hard to believe she was as old as she was!
Now I’m DYING to walk through one of the high premium 763s!
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:54 am

VC10er wrote:
tpaewr wrote:
I am currently on 6447 and I am impressed. The average passenger would think this was a brand new plane. Everything was refreshed.

The details are well done. Subtle lighting and clever incorporation of the logo all over the aircraft. Very well done.


What kind of aircraft is 6447? (For those less savvy among us?)

I was on a refurbished 763 (in Polaris) and was astounded at how new she looked inside. Hard to believe she was as old as she was!
Now I’m DYING to walk through one of the high premium 763s!

Ship 6447 is a 763.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:30 pm

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N27509 UA2747 SEAIAH 7Dec ( A date which will live in infamy) Ready to begin earning its keep.

Change of plans. Now UA2750 SEASFO 7Dec, then, UA794 ORD (? Per FlightAware atm)
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:16 pm

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The 764 should cover all but one deep SA route for sure. 764 flies EWR-HNL with a higher wind component than SA. EWR-HNL is 4312NM. The 764 has flown IAH-FRA at 4547NM and currently flies EWR-EZE 4597nm, which is longer than IAH-EZE/SCL.
ORD-EZE is probably out of the 764 range at 4868nm. Any potential future SFO-deep SA service is over 5600NM and out of 764 range. Note: the 78X has a 800+nm longer range than the 764 and could operate all possible SA routes..

UA has announced EWR-Naples IT/Prague CR, IAD-TLV and SFO-AMS that will take a 4 to 6 widebodies to operate.


While the 764 can cover all but one deep SA route it is not the right aircraft for those routes. UA ships a lot of cargo to and from SA and on our EWR-EZE-EWR route we are routinely weight restricted and forced to route cargo through IAH on the 77E. While in the past flown IAH-FRA-IAH with the 764 one of the reasons it was pulled from that route was because we were leaving cargo behind in FRA do to weight restrictions. I think the only reason why UA still utilizes the 764 on EWR-EZE-EWR route is because IAH-EZE-IAH can cover the cargo that is left behind. It is not unusual to to see 40,000-50,000 pounds of cargo plus the bags on EZE-IAH that same cargo that was held off the EWR flight once it clears customs in IAH is then loaded on either the 77E or 763 from IAH to EWR.
The 764 is probably the perfect aircraft for 4500NM+ routes where there is little to no cargo on on routes that are not pushing it the aircraft to its limits. If you need to move 240 passengers at a time from EWR, IAD, or ORD to Europe this is a great aircaft for passengers and cargo. Personally I think as the high J Polaris/Premium Plus 763s start rolling out the 764s for sure will be found on several ORD-Europe routes during the summer (one perhaps two of our ORD-LHR routes(UA958, UA938), AMS and FCO). However on routes like those to and from deep SA or IAH-Germany the right aircraft for those routes is either the 763 or the 77E it all depends on which hub your flying from.

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