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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:03 am

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Thank you so much GmoneyCO! Well, given the fact I can see the level of quality United is pouring into those used Airbus’ I’m not surprised it would take time. Did they come in good condition, or did they require a lot of maintenance?


Crazy how A320's, even if 25 years old and full of 1987 starship Enterprise D looking cheesy interior fittings, never seem to age. I see their first ones going well into the 2030's easily.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:42 am

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787-10
First UA Delivery (LN731) - Working down the FAL with a roll-out date slated for early July just after the 4th of July holiday.  Delivery scheduled for 11/1/2018
Second Delivery (LN 763) - Delivery scheduled for 12/3/2018
Third Delivery (LN 782) - Delivery scheduled for 12/1/2018
Fourth Delivery (LN 548 -- 2nd 787-10 Test AC) - Delivery scheduled for 12/17/2018
Fifth Delivery (LN 795) - Delivery scheduled for 1/24/2019

If everything continues as planned we will likely see limited INTL service on the 787-10 before the end of CY2018.  It's worth noting that Boeing and GE are in discussions with the FAA regarding a known software issue with the GEnx issues that could delay the delivery of all GE powered 787-10 aircraft into Q1 2019.  [

Hmmm.. Roll out early July, but delivery in Nov... sounds like it might spend a few months in storage somewhere.
Fourth delivery, LN548, will presumably be #1 in registration/Ship/nose sequence, with LN 731 being #2.
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:03 pm

6459 Did not pass it's test flight. Suprise surprise. Rescheduled ro the 28th.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:52 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
VC10er wrote:
Thank you so much GmoneyCO! Well, given the fact I can see the level of quality United is pouring into those used Airbus’ I’m not surprised it would take time. Did they come in good condition, or did they require a lot of maintenance?


Crazy how A320's, even if 25 years old and full of 1987 starship Enterprise D looking cheesy interior fittings, never seem to age. I see their first ones going well into the 2030's easily.


“Enterprise D”- you crack me up! Well, to me, the UA 737-800 I was on today with the cheap F seats and blank blue-grey walls looked like Christopher Pike’s Enterprise just prior to entering the energy barrier at the edge of our galaxy. Tonight I’m waiting to see if my eyes start to sparkle like aluminum foil and see if I can pour myself a scotch while laying on my sofa! LL&P!
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:40 am

Just for kicks: I had a new livery idea for United! I’m not exactly sure how it would actually look, but it looks great in my head. I wish I had the time to have one of my designers do it to see:
Flip the livery! Keep the gold band, make the entire top and tail United Dark Blue with white UNITED, the globe would change to all gold (no white lines) and the belly remains white. Then, on all the wide bodies put the Polaris star in space over the globe (like the North Star in a night sky), white star with gold circle. (Perhaps add the star to the 752s with bed seats?) They are leveraging the Polaris star very nicely in Polaris Lounges...so take it another step!
It could come out too close to the old US Airways- but it could also look really premium, and have great standout among its peers.
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Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:32 am

https://www.sfgate.com/chris-mcginnis/a ... o-15779811

Some photos of PP and Y on 2796.

I like the purple color..it's different than the usual blue/black.
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Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:44 am

The purple just looks off to me, but maybe that's just because it makes me think of the new DL uniforms. I just don't really associate purple with UA. I think grey and maybe some warm brown accents would have looked cool (something along the lines of LH). But maybe it's just a case of getting used to.

Props to them for keeping some E+ unlike DL. DL still probably has the leg-up though with keeping their 777s 9-abreast and with the 2-4-2 in Y on their A330s.
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Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:46 am

Well, I am surprised how much I like the purple! Also the image of the headrest with the sides folded up looks like a good noggin holder, which I like when sleeping.
The fold down (bus or Amtrak) leg rest doesn’t impress me, the front row does seem MUCH better- but then there is also no under-seat stowage. Do those outer arms adjust up/down? Also, in the pictures those seem to be Economy thin blankets, not the Saks version, is that correct? Anyway, I think it was actually a good decision to keep E+ and add W.
I am also eager to see the fares for this new Premium Economy...I assume united.com will need to add a “purple” column to to the flight search function when booking online?
Are there images of the 50 seat Polaris section to be found somewhere?
Thanks for all the pictures: made my morning coffee tastier!
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:31 pm

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Well, I am surprised how much I like the purple! Also the image of the headrest with the sides folded up looks like a good noggin holder, which I like when sleeping.
The fold down (bus or Amtrak) leg rest doesn’t impress me, the front row does seem MUCH better- but then there is also no under-seat stowage. Do those outer arms adjust up/down? Also, in the pictures those seem to be Economy thin blankets, not the Saks version, is that correct? Anyway, I think it was actually a good decision to keep E+ and add W.
I am also eager to see the fares for this new Premium Economy...I assume united.com will need to add a “purple” column to to the flight search function when booking online?
Are there images of the 50 seat Polaris section to be found somewhere?
Thanks for all the pictures: made my morning coffee tastier!


I like the purple but thought it didn't look so good with the medium blue bulkhead covering. Also, when the seats and all are replaced, suddenly the cream colored laminate on the backside of the bulkhead walls look so 1990s.

I also found the footrest think to be quite interesting (and not in a good way). Question: Do the seats have both integral foot/leg rests as well as that foot thing?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:32 pm

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Also, in the pictures those seem to be Economy thin blankets, not the Saks version, is that correct?
Thanks for all the pictures: made my morning coffee tastier!


The blanket is by Saks and is the same as the "day blanket" you can find on Polaris....it's also the same pillow you find in J class.

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:37 pm

gwrudolph wrote:
VC10er wrote:
Well, I am surprised how much I like the purple! Also the image of the headrest with the sides folded up looks like a good noggin holder, which I like when sleeping.
The fold down (bus or Amtrak) leg rest doesn’t impress me, the front row does seem MUCH better- but then there is also no under-seat stowage. Do those outer arms adjust up/down? Also, in the pictures those seem to be Economy thin blankets, not the Saks version, is that correct? Anyway, I think it was actually a good decision to keep E+ and add W.
I am also eager to see the fares for this new Premium Economy...I assume united.com will need to add a “purple” column to to the flight search function when booking online?
Are there images of the 50 seat Polaris section to be found somewhere?
Thanks for all the pictures: made my morning coffee tastier!


I like the purple but thought it didn't look so good with the medium blue bulkhead covering. Also, when the seats and all are replaced, suddenly the cream colored laminate on the backside of the bulkhead walls look so 1990s.

I also found the footrest think to be quite interesting (and not in a good way). Question: Do the seats have both integral foot/leg rests as well as that foot thing?


All of the seats have an integral leg rest, the front row has a built in foot rest (folds out from the leg rest) on the other two rows the foot rests flip down from the seat in front.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:03 pm

gwrudolph wrote:
VC10er wrote:
Well, I am surprised how much I like the purple! Also the image of the headrest with the sides folded up looks like a good noggin holder, which I like when sleeping.
The fold down (bus or Amtrak) leg rest doesn’t impress me, the front row does seem MUCH better- but then there is also no under-seat stowage. Do those outer arms adjust up/down? Also, in the pictures those seem to be Economy thin blankets, not the Saks version, is that correct? Anyway, I think it was actually a good decision to keep E+ and add W.
I am also eager to see the fares for this new Premium Economy...I assume united.com will need to add a “purple” column to to the flight search function when booking online?
Are there images of the 50 seat Polaris section to be found somewhere?
Thanks for all the pictures: made my morning coffee tastier!


I like the purple but thought it didn't look so good with the medium blue bulkhead covering. Also, when the seats and all are replaced, suddenly the cream colored laminate on the backside of the bulkhead walls look so 1990s.

I also found the footrest think to be quite interesting (and not in a good way). Question: Do the seats have both integral foot/leg rests as well as that foot thing?

As long as there is a leg rest and a foot rest, everyone can make their own choice. Personally, I like switching between both for the sake of adjusting my position at different times.
 
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Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:28 pm

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Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:19 pm

753:
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:29 am

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1989worstyear wrote:
VC10er wrote:
Thank you so much GmoneyCO! Well, given the fact I can see the level of quality United is pouring into those used Airbus’ I’m not surprised it would take time. Did they come in good condition, or did they require a lot of maintenance?


Crazy how A320's, even if 25 years old and full of 1987 starship Enterprise D looking cheesy interior fittings, never seem to age. I see their first ones going well into the 2030's easily.


“Enterprise D”- you crack me up! Well, to me, the UA 737-800 I was on today with the cheap F seats and blank blue-grey walls looked like Christopher Pike’s Enterprise just prior to entering the energy barrier at the edge of our galaxy. Tonight I’m waiting to see if my eyes start to sparkle like aluminum foil and see if I can pour myself a scotch while laying on my sofa! LL&P!


If you were in the cockpit with all those old incandescent indicator lights I bet it would have felt even more like the 60s Enterprise sets :rotfl:
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:21 am

With the move of UA 772s to 10ab, what impact will that have on range? EWR-HKG,DEL,BOM come to mind.
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:31 am

Well NOTHING is as bad as the UPC code scanners used in a Gap on the new “Kelvin timeline” Enterprise! Might as well be the incandescent A319 lights.
Re: gwrudph, I actually noticed the cream colored bulkhead behind the purple PE seats too. I thought it looked wrong v the silver they should have used. But I also understand controlling expenses, especially when UA is already spending boatloads of money on capex all around. The cream may just be how they come from the supplier, it’s neutral and can go anywhere anytime and, really, other than us, no average person would notice or care.
The main seat color “seems” different too, like a dark eggplant vs the regular UA Blue Economy seats. If so the eggplant color would indeed go better with purple headrests.
One of the first things I ALWAYS am curious about is the cost of a seat. I wonder how much these W seats cost and how much a Polaris seat costs. I realize when United purchases them in high numbers the unit cost would go down, but I usually flabbergasted at how much these seats do indeed cost. How many flights with a paying passenger it takes before simply breaking even on the cost of one seat.
I wonder even how much the “constellation” lighting in the entry of the Polaris Lounge at EWR cost. It’s not easy to see the details in photos- but up close that lighting fixture must have been a small fortune all by itself. As a designer myself, I’m impressed with UA for approving the P.O. for that!
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:11 pm

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With the move of UA 772s to 10ab, what impact will that have on range? EWR-HKG,DEL,BOM come to mind.


Is the total capacity changing much?
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:13 pm

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With the move of UA 772s to 10ab, what impact will that have on range? EWR-HKG,DEL,BOM come to mind.

They may have to switch some to either 77W's or 789's, at least for part of the year. The optimist in me can't even be bothered to hope that they would keep the pmCO 772's 9ab, as a subfleet.
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:24 pm

I who know nothing of these things simply cannot imagine that United would reconfigure their 772s that do BOM, DEL and other very long missions in a way that prevents them from doing those missions safety and profitability.
I can imagine them going back to cheap eyeshades, but not jeopardize some of their most prestigious ULH routes.
Their international route system is partially what defines the best in United.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:51 pm

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I who know nothing of these things simply cannot imagine that United would reconfigure their 772s that do BOM, DEL and other very long missions in a way that prevents them from doing those missions safety and profitability.
I can imagine them going back to cheap eyeshades, but not jeopardize some of their most prestigious ULH routes.
Their international route system is partially what defines the best in United.


United is opening a 787 pilot domicile in Newark. While conventional wisdom says it's for 787-10s, it's certainly not out of the question that some 787-9s from the West Coast (or follow-on orders) could be displaced to EWR to handle the longest 777 routes, like EWR-HKG/BOM, if the reconfigured 772 has a significant range penalty.

I'll note that reconfigured 777-222ERs have flown ORD-HKG since returning to service, on several occasions.
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:53 pm

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airlineaddict wrote:
With the move of UA 772s to 10ab, what impact will that have on range? EWR-HKG,DEL,BOM come to mind.


Is the total capacity changing much?


The 77Es with PP have 9 more seats than an exCO 77E does. Someone who is way smarter than me can figure out how much of a weight penalty that might cause.
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:02 pm

How much does anyone think UA would put in a top off order for anything right now? 77W, 789 or 78-10? Personally I would love to see that, I just have no clue. But it "seems" that in 2 years or so there will be 50ish 772's totally refitted before the A350's arrive and that they are fine for now. But, again, what do I know!

I do think that refreshing the 737-8/9's would be nice, but that's not really about UHL is it!?!
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:09 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
VC10er wrote:
How much does anyone think UA would put in a top off order for anything right now? 77W, 789 or 78-10? Personally I would love to see that, I just have no clue. But it "seems" that in 2 years or so there will be 50ish 772's totally refitted before the A350's arrive and that they are fine for now. But, again, what do I know!

I do think that refreshing the 737-8/9's would be nice, but that's not really about UHL is it!?!


Another UA 787 order is expected to happen fairly soon.


Really! Fantastic! For 787-9 or 10s? Or both? However how long would delivery take given the backlog? It would serve them well to get the 789s with Polaris and PE for Singapore and Oz!
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:10 pm

VC10er wrote:
How much does anyone think UA would put in a top off order for anything right now? 77W, 789 or 78-10? Personally I would love to see that, I just have no clue. But it "seems" that in 2 years or so there will be 50ish 772's totally refitted before the A350's arrive and that they are fine for now. But, again, what do I know!

I do think that refreshing the 737-8/9's would be nice, but that's not really about UHL is it!?!


Another UA 787 order is expected to happen fairly soon.
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:37 pm

Why did United get rid of the 757 with PW engines. Many of them had life left in them. Fed Ex took them right away.
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:43 pm

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Why did United get rid of the 757 with PW engines. Many of them had life left in them. Fed Ex took them right away.


Because Jeff Simsek is a F***ing moron.

That answer also applies to many other questions you might have.
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:53 pm

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Why did United get rid of the 757 with PW engines. Many of them had life left in them. Fed Ex took them right away.


The 739ERs that UA bought to replace the 752s are cheaper to operate and can fill in for the 752 on 85% or so of missions. UAs management at the time decided the lower cost of operating the 739ER and the money they would get from resale value of the 752s outweighed the cost of refurbishing the 752s fleet.

There are still 15 PW powered 752s in the fleet...specifically the high-J P.S. aircraft you can find flying between EWR and LAX/SFO.
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:18 pm

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Why did United get rid of the 757 with PW engines. Many of them had life left in them. Fed Ex took them right away.


Usually I don't bash my own company but this was just another stupid a** mistake by Smisek and the bean counters here at UA. They figured the 739ER could do the same exact domestic missions as the 752's but in a fuel efficient manner. So they added additional seats on the 739ERs which made them extremely uncomfortable at 20F 159Y and as we all know the ER can't do the domestic missions the 757 did on a year around basis without some heavy weight penalties. I'd wager the 739ER's have probably cost UA more money than they've save us in fuel cost with all of the winter diversions for fuel on coast to coast routes plus the additional cost associated with having to pay for a takeoff and landing slot at the diversion station. Not to mention the passengers being left behind on severely weight restricted flights from the West Coast to Hawaii when the pineapple express winds pick up. Then there are passengers being left behind at DEN when ever the temperature exceeds 90 degrees example the 739ER can't fly (DEN-EWR) without a weight restriction when the temp is over 92 degrees, to passengers being left behind going to DEN in the winter for icing aggregation during snow storms. Don't get me wrong the 739ER is a great aircraft on certain routes but there are times when it just cant do missions UA's bean counters expected it to do with a full passenger load. We should have kept more of our PW 757s.
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:28 pm

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DL757NYC wrote:
Why did United get rid of the 757 with PW engines. Many of them had life left in them. Fed Ex took them right away.


Usually I don't bash my own company but this was just another stupid a** mistake by Smisek and the bean counters here at UA. They figured the 739ER could do the same exact domestic missions as the 752's but in a fuel efficient manner. So they added additional seats on the 739ERs which made them extremely uncomfortable at 20F 159Y and as we all know the ER can't do the domestic missions the 757 did on a year around basis without some heavy weight penalties. I'd wager the 739ER's have probably cost UA more money than they've save us in fuel cost with all of the winter diversions for fuel on coast to coast routes plus the additional cost associated with having to pay for a takeoff and landing slot at the diversion station. Not to mention the passengers being left behind on severely weight restricted flights from the West Coast to Hawaii when the pineapple express winds pick up. Then there are passengers being left behind at DEN when ever the temperature exceeds 90 degrees example the 739ER can't fly (DEN-EWR) without a weight restriction when the temp is over 92 degrees, to passengers being left behind going to DEN in the winter for icing aggregation during snow storms. Don't get me wrong the 739ER is a great aircraft on certain routes but there are times when it just cant do missions UA's bean counters expected it to do with a full passenger load. We should have kept more of our PW 757s.

Except for that 3600 fewer gallons of fuel that you have to load on EVERY flight, good weather or bad. >90% of flights from every airport, the plane works without an issue. Don't get me wrong, I love the 757 and I hate the 739ER (only because of UA's cramped configuration, but lets be honest, if the non-PS 752's had stayed, they would have more seats on them by now.), but I think you would have to have some seriously poor performance for UA to have made the wrong financial decision replacing them, especially with oil on the rise again.
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:30 pm

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Why did United get rid of the 757 with PW engines. Many of them had life left in them. Fed Ex took them right away.


You just answered your own question. Besides what others have noted with the 737-900ER replacing them on most domestic missions, they sold the 757s to FedEx because FX was willing to pay decent enough money for them at the time.
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:48 pm

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Why did United get rid of the 757 with PW engines. Many of them had life left in them. Fed Ex took them right away.


Was FedEx going to buy them if they had no life left? They had value, they were sold. The overwhelming majority were not ETOPS, they were used on domestic routes that the 737-900ERs can handle. The sCO 752s were all ETOPS, with International interiors and shared the same RR engines as their 753s.
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:16 pm

jayunited wrote:
DL757NYC wrote:
Why did United get rid of the 757 with PW engines. Many of them had life left in them. Fed Ex took them right away.


Usually I don't bash my own company but this was just another stupid a** mistake by Smisek and the bean counters here at UA. They figured the 739ER could do the same exact domestic missions as the 752's but in a fuel efficient manner. So they added additional seats on the 739ERs which made them extremely uncomfortable at 20F 159Y and as we all know the ER can't do the domestic missions the 757 did on a year around basis without some heavy weight penalties. I'd wager the 739ER's have probably cost UA more money than they've save us in fuel cost with all of the winter diversions for fuel on coast to coast routes plus the additional cost associated with having to pay for a takeoff and landing slot at the diversion station. Not to mention the passengers being left behind on severely weight restricted flights from the West Coast to Hawaii when the pineapple express winds pick up. Then there are passengers being left behind at DEN when ever the temperature exceeds 90 degrees example the 739ER can't fly (DEN-EWR) without a weight restriction when the temp is over 92 degrees, to passengers being left behind going to DEN in the winter for icing aggregation during snow storms. Don't get me wrong the 739ER is a great aircraft on certain routes but there are times when it just cant do missions UA's bean counters expected it to do with a full passenger load. We should have kept more of our PW 757s.

Am I correct in thinking the 9Max is capable of doing all this the 900ER can’t ? How about 10Max.. or it it too early to know the numbers on that one.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:17 pm

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Well NOTHING is as bad as the UPC code scanners used in a Gap on the new “Kelvin timeline” Enterprise! Might as well be the incandescent A319 lights.
Re: gwrudph, I actually noticed the cream colored bulkhead behind the purple PE seats too. I thought it looked wrong v the silver they should have used. But I also understand controlling expenses, especially when UA is already spending boatloads of money on capex all around. The cream may just be how they come from the supplier, it’s neutral and can go anywhere anytime and, really, other than us, no average person would notice or care.
The main seat color “seems” different too, like a dark eggplant vs the regular UA Blue Economy seats. If so the eggplant color would indeed go better with purple headrests.
One of the first things I ALWAYS am curious about is the cost of a seat. I wonder how much these W seats cost and how much a Polaris seat costs. I realize when United purchases them in high numbers the unit cost would go down, but I usually flabbergasted at how much these seats do indeed cost. How many flights with a paying passenger it takes before simply breaking even on the cost of one seat.
I wonder even how much the “constellation” lighting in the entry of the Polaris Lounge at EWR cost. It’s not easy to see the details in photos- but up close that lighting fixture must have been a small fortune all by itself. As a designer myself, I’m impressed with UA for approving the P.O. for that!


The cream colored laminate on the back of the bulkhead walls and sidewalks is the old UA standard laminate that Boeing delivered them in. Well, they are not actually even cream, they are sorta taupe with a cream print design (almost looking like sponge paint). While i can see why it would be very expensive to replace the sidewalks, re-covering the back of those bulkhead walls with a new laminate wouldn't be that expensive relatively speaking.

While I agree with you that the average person wouldn't notice that detail, it does give it a mixed and old look and feel. That's where I think United always cheaps out when they do refurbs. They do 95% of the job, leaving it with an overall old look and feel!
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:22 pm

United1 wrote:
DL757NYC wrote:
Why did United get rid of the 757 with PW engines. Many of them had life left in them. Fed Ex took them right away.


The 739ERs that UA bought to replace the 752s are cheaper to operate and can fill in for the 752 on 85% or so of missions. UAs management at the time decided the lower cost of operating the 739ER and the money they would get from resale value of the 752s outweighed the cost of refurbishing the 752s fleet.

There are still 15 PW powered 752s in the fleet...specifically the high-J P.S. aircraft you can find flying between EWR and LAX/SFO.


Plus didn't they have mandatory and expensive modification work that had to be completed on them by the end of 2016 or 2017?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:01 pm

gwrudolph wrote:
United1 wrote:
DL757NYC wrote:
Why did United get rid of the 757 with PW engines. Many of them had life left in them. Fed Ex took them right away.


The 739ERs that UA bought to replace the 752s are cheaper to operate and can fill in for the 752 on 85% or so of missions. UAs management at the time decided the lower cost of operating the 739ER and the money they would get from resale value of the 752s outweighed the cost of refurbishing the 752s fleet.

There are still 15 PW powered 752s in the fleet...specifically the high-J P.S. aircraft you can find flying between EWR and LAX/SFO.


Plus didn't they have mandatory and expensive modification work that had to be completed on them by the end of 2016 or 2017?


Most of them would have needed a fuel tank inertion modification by the end of 2018 IIRC...it's the same mod that the 744s needed to have done. The 15 P.S. 752s either have or will have the mod done by the end of the year. I'm not sure how expensive it would have been but it would have needed to have been done.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:06 pm

gwrudolph wrote:
VC10er wrote:
Well NOTHING is as bad as the UPC code scanners used in a Gap on the new “Kelvin timeline” Enterprise! Might as well be the incandescent A319 lights.
Re: gwrudph, I actually noticed the cream colored bulkhead behind the purple PE seats too. I thought it looked wrong v the silver they should have used. But I also understand controlling expenses, especially when UA is already spending boatloads of money on capex all around. The cream may just be how they come from the supplier, it’s neutral and can go anywhere anytime and, really, other than us, no average person would notice or care.
The main seat color “seems” different too, like a dark eggplant vs the regular UA Blue Economy seats. If so the eggplant color would indeed go better with purple headrests.
One of the first things I ALWAYS am curious about is the cost of a seat. I wonder how much these W seats cost and how much a Polaris seat costs. I realize when United purchases them in high numbers the unit cost would go down, but I usually flabbergasted at how much these seats do indeed cost. How many flights with a paying passenger it takes before simply breaking even on the cost of one seat.
I wonder even how much the “constellation” lighting in the entry of the Polaris Lounge at EWR cost. It’s not easy to see the details in photos- but up close that lighting fixture must have been a small fortune all by itself. As a designer myself, I’m impressed with UA for approving the P.O. for that!


The cream colored laminate on the back of the bulkhead walls and sidewalks is the old UA standard laminate that Boeing delivered them in. Well, they are not actually even cream, they are sorta taupe with a cream print design (almost looking like sponge paint). While i can see why it would be very expensive to replace the sidewalks, re-covering the back of those bulkhead walls with a new laminate wouldn't be that expensive relatively speaking.

While I agree with you that the average person wouldn't notice that detail, it does give it a mixed and old look and feel. That's where I think United always cheaps out when they do refurbs. They do 95% of the job, leaving it with an overall old look and feel!


While the bins and sidewalls (I believe) are the same, these are new partitions. They look yellow because of the color in the photograph, not because they are old hardware.

The divider between J and Y in the IPTE 777 had fold-down cabin view panels, these don't. The aft-facing panels of the bulkheads have the new brand-standard laminate and cabin placards.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:11 pm

1.) Were the 752s up for a heavy D check?
2.) 752 would have received slimlines if they wre to stay for more than 5 years or more.
3.) 739MAX can pick up those weight restricted routes, so any pain was for just 3 to 4 years on minimal numbers of flights looking globally at UA's total flights.
4.) Let's count the reliability issue of the 752 vs. 739ER. How many flights are cancelled on each fleet divided by fleet size - I'll be the 752 maint issues might override the wight restriction issues. ADd to that the ongoing maintenance costs of upkeep.
5.) I believe the slimline seats are lighter, so seat savings in weight may be close to equaling the added weight of 12 passengers.
6.) I can't disagree that maybe more should have been kept. The 9 ETOPS birds would have been nice, but keeping all 82 would have been a bad move.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:38 pm

The PW 757's were old 25 plus years. We are still flying a couple that we built in 1989. The RR 757's were already International Airplanes. So that decision was an easy one to keep them going.


Most of the 767's and 777-200's are 17 plus years or older. When we retired the 747's all but 7 of them were 20 plus years or old and they were built before 1992. Yes the old dynasty was looking at fuel costs, retro fitting interiors and all that other stuff. It was time.

Plus the older the airplane. The more it costs to keep it operational.
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:52 pm

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Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:05 am

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:36 am

cosyr wrote:
jayunited wrote:
DL757NYC wrote:
Why did United get rid of the 757 with PW engines. Many of them had life left in them. Fed Ex took them right away.


Usually I don't bash my own company but this was just another stupid a** mistake by Smisek and the bean counters here at UA. They figured the 739ER could do the same exact domestic missions as the 752's but in a fuel efficient manner. So they added additional seats on the 739ERs which made them extremely uncomfortable at 20F 159Y and as we all know the ER can't do the domestic missions the 757 did on a year around basis without some heavy weight penalties. I'd wager the 739ER's have probably cost UA more money than they've save us in fuel cost with all of the winter diversions for fuel on coast to coast routes plus the additional cost associated with having to pay for a takeoff and landing slot at the diversion station. Not to mention the passengers being left behind on severely weight restricted flights from the West Coast to Hawaii when the pineapple express winds pick up. Then there are passengers being left behind at DEN when ever the temperature exceeds 90 degrees example the 739ER can't fly (DEN-EWR) without a weight restriction when the temp is over 92 degrees, to passengers being left behind going to DEN in the winter for icing aggregation during snow storms. Don't get me wrong the 739ER is a great aircraft on certain routes but there are times when it just cant do missions UA's bean counters expected it to do with a full passenger load. We should have kept more of our PW 757s.

Except for that 3600 fewer gallons of fuel that you have to load on EVERY flight, good weather or bad. >90% of flights from every airport, the plane works without an issue. Don't get me wrong, I love the 757 and I hate the 739ER (only because of UA's cramped configuration, but lets be honest, if the non-PS 752's had stayed, they would have more seats on them by now.), but I think you would have to have some seriously poor performance for UA to have made the wrong financial decision replacing them, especially with oil on the rise again.


And I bet big money that the remaining 752's and 763's will become beercans in 5 years thanks to this manufactured oil production cliff we've been careening towards for a while now. Stabilize the market my :butthead:

The 25-year-old A320's will stick around for another 10 years (at least) since innovation died in November 1988 - no reason to replace something that's built to the same standards today.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:21 am

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Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:21 am

I think the 739 makes a perfectly logical replacement for 90% of the routes that PMUA flew them on. It probably would have been best had UA held onto another 10-20 more birds than they did for TATL, transcon, and Hawaii. Those are the only sectors where it feels like there aren't enough birds to go around for everything.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:22 pm

Didn’t UA put LED lighting in the 767-300ERs?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:49 pm

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Didn’t UA put LED lighting in the 767-300ERs?


No.

Even on the aircraft with LED lighting, UA barely makes use of it, sticking mostly to the blue palette aside from a few minutes after takeoff and at top of descent when the cabin cycles through an orange tone.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:45 pm

atlflyer wrote:
Didn’t UA put LED lighting in the 767-300ERs?


codc10 wrote:
atlflyer wrote:
Didn’t UA put LED lighting in the 767-300ERs?


No.

Even on the aircraft with LED lighting, UA barely makes use of it, sticking mostly to the blue palette aside from a few minutes after takeoff and at top of descent when the cabin cycles through an orange tone.


If retrofitted with LED you can have mood lighting (very much like what 787 offers) which can be used throughout the flight, rather than the current dim/bright option.

Personal opinion - not directly impacting the experience (unlike the seat/interior/entertainment which interacts with the passengers directly) means not worth investing in a huge sum of money...
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:11 pm

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:04 am

Who controls the LED mood lighting work on UA ac that have it? Is it dictated by management what color and brightness settings are used when, then manually adjusted- or is it preprogrammed?
I know if I was an FA the designer and DJ in me would try and make more use of of it, Eg: Orange and pink in the morning, candle light for dinner, blue for taxi/take off etc.
I would just assume that HQ would not want FA’s getting creative and develop some “keep it simple” guidelines.
That said underutilizing their potential is disappointing. Using orange, pink and blue would very legacy UA, and great IMHO!
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:29 pm

Re the 739 vs 752 discussion ... also recall those PW-2000 engines were significantly more expensive to maintain per cycle or hour compared to the CFM56.

I tend to believe UA’s published information stating savings around $1,000,000 per year per aircraft compared the 752.

I understand updated procedures for single engine goaround coupled with the scitmars significantly helped DEN performance.

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