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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:36 pm

Okcflyer wrote:
Re the 739 vs 752 discussion ... also recall those PW-2000 engines were significantly more expensive to maintain per cycle or hour compared to the CFM56.

I tend to believe UA’s published information stating savings around $1,000,000 per year per aircraft compared the 752.

I understand updated procedures for single engine goaround coupled with the scitmars significantly helped DEN performance.


I believe it was $2 million per year.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:11 am

No reason why any of the ETOPS ones had to leave. Some are still stored in GYR.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:29 pm

STT757 wrote:
Okcflyer wrote:
Re the 739 vs 752 discussion ... also recall those PW-2000 engines were significantly more expensive to maintain per cycle or hour compared to the CFM56.

I tend to believe UA’s published information stating savings around $1,000,000 per year per aircraft compared the 752.

I understand updated procedures for single engine goaround coupled with the scitmars significantly helped DEN performance.


I believe it was $2 million per year.


Yes, the problem for the 739 was flying into DEN with projected snow, engine anti-ice on, one engine out, couldn't make the numbers work for a go around. IIRC.

Correct on all about the 757 Pratts. Plus, the NGS System Kit, not labor, was approx. 500,000. Plus upgrades, refits and/or Mods to standardize the fleet. Bean counters. Shame they were let go.

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MAX-9

Nose... ACFT.............MFG.......N...............Fuse......YR...... Fleet.........Operator..
Gear.... Type..............S/N.........Number....Number..Man.... Code....

7501.... 737MAX-9.... 43430.... N67501.... 6834.... 18.........42 / 61.... UA
7502.... 737MAX-9.... 43431.... N37502.... 6852.... 18.........42 / 61.... UA
7503.... 737MAX-9.... 43434.... N27503.... 6872.... 18.........42 / 61.... UA
7504.... 737MAX-9.... 43435.... N37504.... 6899.... 18.........42 / 61.... UA
7505.... 737MAX-9.... 43433.... N47505.... 6917.... 18.........42 / 61.... UA
7506.... 737MAX-9.... 43432.... N37506.... 6935.... 18.........42 / 61.... UA
7507.... 737MAX-9.... 43437.... N37507.... 7173.... 18.........42 / 61.... UA
7508.... 737MAX-9.... 43439.... N37508.... 7201.... 18.........42 / 61.... UA
7509.... 737MAX-9.... 43443.... N27509.... 7253.... 18.........42 / 61.... UA
7510,,,, 737MAX-9.... 43445.... N37510.... 7316.... 18.........42 / 61.... UA
7511.... 737MAX-9.... 43449.... N27511.... 7338.... 19........ 42 / 61.... UA
7512.... 737MAX-9.... 43449.... TBD.......... 7361.... TBD.....42 / 61..... UA
7513.... 737MAX-9.... 64494.... TBD.......... 7394.... TBD.....42 / 61..... UA
7514.... 737MAX-9.... 43450.... TBD.......... 7428.... TBD.....42 / 61..... UA
7515.... 737MAX-9.... TBD....... TBD......... TBD...... TBD.... 42 / 61..... UA

MAX-10

7751.... 737MAX-10.. TBD....... TBD......... TBD...... TBD..... 43 / 61.... UA

787-10

Nose.....ACFT...... MFG......N................Yr.........Fleet.........Operator
Gear......Type....... S/N........Number......MFG....Code..........

1001.... 787-10.... 40929.... N14001.... 19........ 10.............. CO
1002.... 787-10.... 40936.... N17002.... 18........ 10............. CO
1003.... 787-10.... 40930.... N12003.....18........ 10............. CO
1004.... 787-10.... 40935.... N12004.... 18........ 10............. CO
1005.... 787-10.... 60139.... N12005..... 19....... 10............. CO
1006.... 787-10.... 40937.... N12006..... 19....... 10............. CO
1007.... 787-10.... 60140.... N91007..... 19....... 10............. CO
1008.... 787-10.... 60138.... N16008..... 19....... 10.............. CO
1009.... 787-10.... 40938.... N16009..... 19....... 10.............. CO
1010.... 787-10.... 60145.... N12010..... 20....... 10.............. CO
1011.... 787-10.... 40940.... N14011..... 21....... 10.............. CO
1012.... 787-10.... 40926.... N12012..... 22....... 10.............. CO
1013.... 787-10.... 40931.... N13013..... 23........10.............. CO
1014.... 787-10.... 40934.... N13014..... 24....... 10.............. CO
1015.... 787-10.... TBD....... N17015..... TBD.... 10.............. CO
1016.... 787-10.... TBD....... N14016..... TBD.... 10.............. CO
1017.... 787-10.... TBD....... N17017..... TBD.... 10.............. CO
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:46 pm

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No reason why any of the ETOPS ones had to leave. Some are still stored in GYR.


The 757s were great airplanes to fly, but there were reasons the PW powered aircraft left the fleet as mentioned above.

In part, IMHO, pmUA didn't need the talents of the 757 for many of the flights they were used for pre-merger. When you can operate a 179 seat 737-900 at significantly less expense than any 757, it does matter (there's a reason right there). As stated above, the 739s save almost $2 million per year in fuel burn when the fuel price is expensive. When fuel is cheap, it's closer to $1 million, but that's still very significant to the bottom line, especially when multiplied over a few dozen airplane. UA still has a cost problem, so any means to lower costs is important. Do you really need a 757 to fly roughly 180 seats between SEA and DEN?

Then there were the upgrades that the PW 757s needed as noted by CALTECH. Those planes were neglected under the Tilton regime, sadly.

Once the Flaps 5 go-around was approved and the UA pilots were trained, that essentially solved the 739's weight issues to and from DEN.

And the RR powered 757s had more thrust than the PW birds anyway. So when UA needs an ETOPS 757, there are plenty of RR 757s to chose from.

In other words, the PW 757s became surplus and FedEx was willing to pay a decent price for them. I believe it's FedEx owns the ex-UA 757s parked at GYR, etc.

ALL 757s are great aircraft and I'm sad that their time is passing. I'm one of those who would have loved to see a 757NG.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:51 pm

CALTECH wrote:
STT757 wrote:
Okcflyer wrote:
Re the 739 vs 752 discussion ... also recall those PW-2000 engines were significantly more expensive to maintain per cycle or hour compared to the CFM56.

I tend to believe UA’s published information stating savings around $1,000,000 per year per aircraft compared the 752.

I understand updated procedures for single engine goaround coupled with the scitmars significantly helped DEN performance.


I believe it was $2 million per year.


Yes, the problem for the 739 was flying into DEN with projected snow, engine anti-ice on, one engine out, couldn't make the numbers work for a go around. IIRC.

Correct on all about the 757 Pratts. Plus, the NGS System Kit, not labor, was approx. 500,000. Plus upgrades, refits and/or Mods to standardize the fleet. Bean counters. Shame they were let go.

Update

MAX-9

Nose... ACFT.............MFG.......N...............Fuse......YR...... Fleet.........Operator..
Gear.... Type..............S/N.........Number....Number..Man.... Code....

7501.... 737MAX-9.... 43430.... N67501.... 6834.... 18.........42 / 61.... UA
7502.... 737MAX-9.... 43431.... N37502.... 6852.... 18.........42 / 61.... UA
7503.... 737MAX-9.... 43434.... N27503.... 6872.... 18.........42 / 61.... UA
7504.... 737MAX-9.... 43435.... N37504.... 6899.... 18.........42 / 61.... UA
7505.... 737MAX-9.... 43433.... N47505.... 6917.... 18.........42 / 61.... UA
7506.... 737MAX-9.... 43432.... N37506.... 6935.... 18.........42 / 61.... UA
7507.... 737MAX-9.... 43437.... N37507.... 7173.... 18.........42 / 61.... UA
7508.... 737MAX-9.... 43439.... N37508.... 7201.... 18.........42 / 61.... UA
7509.... 737MAX-9.... 43443.... N27509.... 7253.... 18.........42 / 61.... UA
7510,,,, 737MAX-9.... 43445.... N37510.... 7316.... 18.........42 / 61.... UA
7511.... 737MAX-9.... 43449.... N27511.... 7338.... 19........ 42 / 61.... UA
7512.... 737MAX-9.... 43449.... TBD.......... 7361.... TBD.....42 / 61..... UA
7513.... 737MAX-9.... 64494.... TBD.......... 7394.... TBD.....42 / 61..... UA
7514.... 737MAX-9.... 43450.... TBD.......... 7428.... TBD.....42 / 61..... UA
7515.... 737MAX-9.... TBD....... TBD......... TBD...... TBD.... 42 / 61..... UA

MAX-10

7751.... 737MAX-10.. TBD....... TBD......... TBD...... TBD..... 43 / 61.... UA

787-10

Nose.....ACFT...... MFG......N................Yr.........Fleet.........Operator
Gear......Type....... S/N........Number......MFG....Code..........

1001.... 787-10.... 40929.... N14001.... 19........ 10.............. CO
1002.... 787-10.... 40936.... N17002.... 18........ 10............. CO
1003.... 787-10.... 40930.... N12003.....18........ 10............. CO
1004.... 787-10.... 40935.... N12004.... 18........ 10............. CO
1005.... 787-10.... 60139.... N12005..... 19....... 10............. CO
1006.... 787-10.... 40937.... N12006..... 19....... 10............. CO
1007.... 787-10.... 60140.... N91007..... 19....... 10............. CO
1008.... 787-10.... 60138.... N16008..... 19....... 10.............. CO
1009.... 787-10.... 40938.... N16009..... 19....... 10.............. CO
1010.... 787-10.... 60145.... N12010..... 20....... 10.............. CO
1011.... 787-10.... 40940.... N14011..... 21....... 10.............. CO
1012.... 787-10.... 40926.... N12012..... 22....... 10.............. CO
1013.... 787-10.... 40931.... N13013..... 23........10.............. CO
1014.... 787-10.... 40934.... N13014..... 24....... 10.............. CO
1015.... 787-10.... TBD....... N17015..... TBD.... 10.............. CO
1016.... 787-10.... TBD....... N14016..... TBD.... 10.............. CO
1017.... 787-10.... TBD....... N17017..... TBD.... 10.............. CO


Did UA order 3 more 787-10s? Or have you came across information that suggest UA intends to order 3 more 787-10?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:14 am

Registration number sequence surprised me. I really had my money bet on the first one being N24980.
 
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Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:23 am

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Registration number sequence surprised me. I really had my money bet on the first one being N24980.

I was hoping it wouldn’t be 980.... for the simple reason there are likely to be more 789s in UAs future.. and more than 20 78Xs as well.. Lots of sequence room for 788s too, should UA go that route for 767 replacements. Oh, speaking of 76 replacement, I understand the TAP A339neo world tour is going to make a stop in ORD soon. I don’t think it will be there for AA’s benefit. :scratchchin:
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:38 am

All the discussion about additional 789 and 78X really piques my curiosity and in a few ways.
At the end of the day, is there going to be growth in the size of UA’s WB fleet even after some 767s leave, and before the A350s arrive?
Once a top-off order is confirmed for 789s and 78X, how long would the wait be until delivery? (Given backlog, etc)
United must get a lot of special treatment from Boeing given their near unwavering loyalty, could that ever translate into jumping the line?
Last thought is total speculation: if UA were to somehow get out of the A350 (and I know that’s not going to happen) but if it did, what current Boeing aircraft would be a suitable replacement for the 772s (size and range)? Seems like a 789 is too small and the 77X too big? It’s just my curiosity!
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:35 pm

iahcsr wrote:
FlightLevel360 wrote:
Registration number sequence surprised me. I really had my money bet on the first one being N24980.

Oh, speaking of 76 replacement, I understand the TAP A339neo world tour is going to make a stop in ORD soon. I don’t think it will be there for AA’s benefit. :scratchchin:


How big of a chance does Airbus have concerning an A330neo order (versus B787) for the 767 replacement?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:00 pm

FlightLevel360 wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
FlightLevel360 wrote:
Registration number sequence surprised me. I really had my money bet on the first one being N24980.

Oh, speaking of 76 replacement, I understand the TAP A339neo world tour is going to make a stop in ORD soon. I don’t think it will be there for AA’s benefit. :scratchchin:


How big of a chance does Airbus have concerning an A330neo order (versus B787) for the 767 replacement?

That is THE big Q...
From what I’ve heard, Kirby wants to get rid of the old, Mx plagued 767s ASAP... it could come down to a case of who can deliver the soonest, A or B. Also, how many A338neos can one get for the price of 45 A350s?
Another question has been on available delivery slots... or the apparent lack thereof. Keep in mind when a customer has contracts for aircraft options these come with guaranteed delivery time frames, in other words slots. If said options are not exercised by an agreed date these slots are then available for other takers.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:08 pm

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Also, how many A338neos can one get for the price of 45 A350s?


Taking list prices into account, they can be traded for 54.9 A330-800s - even rounding down, that will still account for pretty much all of the 767-300 fleet.
But the question now becomes, is United willing to take a plane that literally nobody else wants?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:06 pm

FlightLevel360 wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
Also, how many A338neos can one get for the price of 45 A350s?


Taking list prices into account, they can be traded for 54.9 A330-800s - even rounding down, that will still account for pretty much all of the 767-300 fleet.
But the question now becomes, is United willing to take a plane that literally nobody else wants?

Three factors; how desperate is A to make a sale, how soon can they be delivered, and how desperate is UA to replace the 767s quickly?
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Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:17 pm

A338neo is not a 767 replacement whatsoever.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:21 pm

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A338neo is not a 767 replacement whatsoever.

Bingo.

A338neo is 252 seats in a typical two class configuration. United 763s are 214 seats, 788s are 219 seats, and 789s are 252 seats. For the right price anything is possible but 38 more seats – a 15% increase – is a lot. The A338neo is a 789-class aircraft, not a 763.

Also, scrounging 763s on the secondhand market and refurbishing the 3-cabin aircraft suggests all the 763s currently in operation are sticking around for at least another 5 years. That lines up with being a launch customer for Boeing's NMA.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:34 pm

adamblang wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
A338neo is not a 767 replacement whatsoever.

Bingo.

A338neo is 252 seats in a typical two class configuration. United 763s are 214 seats, 788s are 219 seats, and 789s are 252 seats. For the right price anything is possible but 38 more seats – a 15% increase – is a lot. The A338neo is a 789-class aircraft, not a 763.

Also, scrounging 763s on the secondhand market and refurbishing the 3-cabin aircraft suggests all the 763s currently in operation are sticking around for at least another 5 years. That lines up with being a launch customer for Boeing's NMA.


Don’t forget the thing has a stupid amount of range and brings in a new engine type and it currently has no customers. UA would be better off with 788s or a potential NMA launch.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:14 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
adamblang wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
A338neo is not a 767 replacement whatsoever.

Bingo.

A338neo is 252 seats in a typical two class configuration. United 763s are 214 seats, 788s are 219 seats, and 789s are 252 seats. For the right price anything is possible but 38 more seats – a 15% increase – is a lot. The A338neo is a 789-class aircraft, not a 763.

Also, scrounging 763s on the secondhand market and refurbishing the 3-cabin aircraft suggests all the 763s currently in operation are sticking around for at least another 5 years. That lines up with being a launch customer for Boeing's NMA.


Don’t forget the thing has a stupid amount of range and brings in a new engine type and it currently has no customers. UA would be better off with 788s or a potential NMA launch.

Thinking logically I completely agree... That’s why the three factors come into play in this scenario. Would they balance out the negatives of such a deal? It might solve short term issues but definitely create others in the long term.
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:26 am

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Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:15 pm

Somewhat related question: with a handful of 767s, 1 772, and 17 77W having flown many passengers now, have there been any kind of survey results that have been published (other than individuals who write reviews), or has anyone heard anything internally about customer surveys done by UA and their early results?
I didn’t do any math but I’d assume United is well into thousands of passengers having flown in Polaris and I’m sure they must have initial reports on how well they are being received.
I’d be particularly interested in what international Premium fliers are saying!
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:58 pm

What is going on with the color purple at United? Several weeks ago, I see pictures of first class seats in purple. Today, I get a company email asking me to choose the color for our next Technical Operations uniform. We were given a choice of black/navy blue (can't really tell) on black/navy blue or black/navy blue on purple.
 
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:28 pm

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What is going on with the color purple at United? Several weeks ago, I see pictures of first class seats in purple. Today, I get a company email asking me to choose the color for our next Technical Operations uniform. We were given a choice of black/navy blue (can't really tell) on black/navy blue or black/navy blue on purple.


The purple seats are the new Premium Economy product. It would appear UA is trying to inject a little more style and variation into their products without getting too crazy - it is in the same general color palette as the current blues. I like it, it’s bold without being so different that it looks out of place.
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:22 am

KVH68 wrote:
What is going on with the color purple at United? Several weeks ago, I see pictures of first class seats in purple. Today, I get a company email asking me to choose the color for our next Technical Operations uniform. We were given a choice of black/navy blue (can't really tell) on black/navy blue or black/navy blue on purple.


I don’t often pick up Hemispheres but I randomly did on a flight yesterday and noticed united is making use of purple in the entertainment section. A bit like the Polaris bulkheads, they make use of the negative space from the globe and they’ve shaded it in purple, blue and teal. Subtle, but I like it! And I expect we’ll see more subtle purple introductions in due course!
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:39 pm

Does anyone recall those Godzilla sized and packed amenity kits United created for Global First soon after the merger? I have a few I use as my Dopp kit because they are actually really nice: and with the same fuchsia/purple trim and pattern mentioned above. So someone there likes this particular shade of purple.
I don’t know who the head of branding and design at UA is, but it certainly is being done with great intent.
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Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:38 pm

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What is going on with the color purple at United? Several weeks ago, I see pictures of first class seats in purple. Today, I get a company email asking me to choose the color for our next Technical Operations uniform. We were given a choice of black/navy blue (can't really tell) on black/navy blue or black/navy blue on purple.


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Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:19 pm

Whats the latest update with the Polaris retrofits? how many planes have the new Polaris now?

77W
772
763
764-NA
788-NA
789-NA
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:33 pm

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Whats the latest update with the Polaris retrofits? how many planes have the new Polaris now?

77W
772
763
764-NA
788-NA
789-NA


77W - 17 (all, 1 on order)
772 - 3/55 (3 in mod)
763 - 9/35 (2 in mod, 3 on order)
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:44 pm

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xxcr wrote:
Whats the latest update with the Polaris retrofits? how many planes have the new Polaris now?

77W
772
763
764-NA
788-NA
789-NA


77W - 17 (all, 1 on order)
772 - 3/55 (3 in mod)
763 - 9/35 (2 in mod, 3 on order)


Thank you

im still waiting to see a 788/789 with the new poloris!!!!!
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:40 pm

I’m trying to find my way from EWR to Geneva, round trip, I would love to find a routing that puts me on a Polaris 767-300 some how. I’m willing to connect anywhere- anyone know how I can find a trip over the pond in one? I’ve been checking everything on UA.com but can’t find one.
Any help would be SO APPRECIATED!
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Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:48 pm

If their use of this fuschia-like purple is a nod to their LGBTQ+ employees and passengers I think (while thrilled!) I would need to be defibrillatated!
THAT, would be an awesome move!
Sadly it’s probably more rooted in someone liking the additional flash of color.
Purple is the color of Royalty, but not the shade they are using. If that indeed was the intent, it should have been darker purple and the highlights in Polaris!
Amazing how passionate we can all get over an airline using an unusual a bit of a new color, lol.
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Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:08 pm

VC10er wrote:
I’m trying to find my way from EWR to Geneva, round trip, I would love to find a routing that puts me on a Polaris 767-300 some how. I’m willing to connect anywhere- anyone know how I can find a trip over the pond in one? I’ve been checking everything on UA.com but can’t find one.
Any help would be SO APPRECIATED!
Departing and returning the first week of August.
Thanks!!!


Polaris 767's are on the EWR-GVA route a lot...trouble is the seating configuration is the same as the old 2 class so they substitute the two planes all the time. No way to really tell until the day of or night before what you're going to get. I'd put it at better than 50/50 you get Polaris though. Best route would be book direct and keep your fingers crossed.
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:24 am

No way to conclusively predict routes with Polaris 767s right now or any time in the near future.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:58 am

Anyone know when UA might dedicate Polaris 763’s to specific routes? Once all the 3-class fleet is complete perhaps?

Will they move straight on to converting the 2-class 763’s once they finish the 3-class, or will they accelerate the 772’s? I guess there must be some slack in the 772 schedule over the winter? How easy would it be for HKG to go from converting 763’s to converting 772’s, or will the 772’s remain exclusively at XMN?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:58 am

codc10 wrote:
xxcr wrote:
Whats the latest update with the Polaris retrofits? how many planes have the new Polaris now?

77W
772
763
764-NA
788-NA
789-NA


77W - 17 (all, 1 on order)
772 - 3/55 (3 in mod)
763 - 9/35 (2 in mod, 3 on order)


The last three 763 Polaris mod are the 3x Hawaiian purchase?
6442 just arrived, and 6451 is currently underway...
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:33 am

celestar345 wrote:
codc10 wrote:
xxcr wrote:
Whats the latest update with the Polaris retrofits? how many planes have the new Polaris now?

77W
772
763
764-NA
788-NA
789-NA


77W - 17 (all, 1 on order)
772 - 3/55 (3 in mod)
763 - 9/35 (2 in mod, 3 on order)


The last three 763 Polaris mod are the 3x Hawaiian purchase?
6442 just arrived, and 6451 is currently underway...

6451 is actually in service. 6447 is the other in HKG. 6441, 6454, and 6460 are the remaining 3 class.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:39 am

codc10 wrote:
No way to conclusively predict routes with Polaris 767s right now or any time in the near future.

which is a sad way of conducting business if you ask me. UA now have (9) Polaris 763s in active service, enough to dedicate them to a specific service (EWR/ORD-LHR routes for example) and market the hell out of its superior new product to customers. Alas it doesn't. DL, on the other hand, doesn't waste five minutes allocating its new Delta Suites to specific routes, marketing the hell out of them, even charging a premium for the superior product. Come on UA, get your act together.
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:42 am

Benni228 wrote:
Anyone know when UA might dedicate Polaris 763’s to specific routes? Once all the 3-class fleet is complete perhaps?

Will they move straight on to converting the 2-class 763’s once they finish the 3-class, or will they accelerate the 772’s? I guess there must be some slack in the 772 schedule over the winter? How easy would it be for HKG to go from converting 763’s to converting 772’s, or will the 772’s remain exclusively at XMN?


I’m guessing UA will continue with 763s at XMN, starting with the first of the 2nd wave of 763 former domestic units which were converted to 2-cabin in ~2013. This would be a fairly reasonable timeframe for an interior update, which, by the way, wouldn’t be nearly as extensive a mod since most of the behind-the-scenes work is already done. It’ll mostly be adding a new J cabin, re-pitching Y and adding Premium Plus.
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:52 am

KVH68 wrote:
What is going on with the color purple at United? Several weeks ago, I see pictures of first class seats in purple. Today, I get a company email asking me to choose the color for our next Technical Operations uniform. We were given a choice of black/navy blue (can't really tell) on black/navy blue or black/navy blue on purple.



It is trendy right now. My brother works in DL's "GO" in ATL and he says everything is going purple there too.

I am sure in the future we will look back on it the way we do the orange of the 70s now, but hey it seems cool in the moment.
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:06 am

Thanks everyone! Since I posted my question about Polaris to Geneva, I found out I needed to go to Rio ASAP. So I’m leaving tonight and the 763 from IAH to GIG is showing Polaris in J!
I chose a straight forward facing seat in row 9. I read in TPG that row 7 is missing a window/s, or perhaps that was the 772?
Anyway, I got my Polaris 763!!! YIPPEE!
And on a very unexpected route! I wonder why Rio? It’s not exactly a premium yielding route, is it?
I agree with hkcanadaexpat, United should dedicate and boldly promote a particularly important route, LHR, FRA...there must be a logical reason why however that we don’t know. UA seems to keep a close eye on Delta and probably would do the same- unless they firmly believe that mixing them up gives more pax at multiple destinations a taste of what’s to come. Dunno, way over my pay grade as an iPhone CEO!
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Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:17 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
codc10 wrote:
No way to conclusively predict routes with Polaris 767s right now or any time in the near future.

which is a sad way of conducting business if you ask me. UA now have (9) Polaris 763s in active service, enough to dedicate them to a specific service (EWR/ORD-LHR routes for example) and market the hell out of its superior new product to customers. Alas it doesn't. DL, on the other hand, doesn't waste five minutes allocating its new Delta Suites to specific routes, marketing the hell out of them, even charging a premium for the superior product. Come on UA, get your act together.


Going from 764s to 763 results in a capacity cut of 10 premium seats per frequency, which is historically the main driver of LHR yields. In the case of EWR, this summer it’s almost all 764 (4-5x). We’ll see what happens with the winter schedule.
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:51 pm

codc10 wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
codc10 wrote:
No way to conclusively predict routes with Polaris 767s right now or any time in the near future.

which is a sad way of conducting business if you ask me. UA now have (9) Polaris 763s in active service, enough to dedicate them to a specific service (EWR/ORD-LHR routes for example) and market the hell out of its superior new product to customers. Alas it doesn't. DL, on the other hand, doesn't waste five minutes allocating its new Delta Suites to specific routes, marketing the hell out of them, even charging a premium for the superior product. Come on UA, get your act together.


Going from 764s to 763 results in a capacity cut of 10 premium seats per frequency, which is historically the main driver of LHR yields. In the case of EWR, this summer it’s almost all 764 (4-5x). We’ll see what happens with the winter schedule.


I'm surprised that the early AM eastbound LHR flight also went to a 764. Typically that one was a 752 or 763. I'm kind of bummed as I'm booked on it vs. a chance at a new 763 Polaris.

Regarding the older 763's, someone on one of the threads said that Kirby was not a fan and wanted to get new a/c to phase those out ASAP. Any truth to that rumor? That would certainly shut off any discussion on the lie flat 763's getting Polaris.

Finally, UA has proven they can dedicate certain a/c to a certain route as they are doing with the IPTE 763's. Give them a bit to get the next schedule firmed and the last 3 a/c in service (or in mod) so they can implement. I bet you see it happen with at least one route. There will be some shake ups also with 1 77W + 3 x 78J yet to come this year, and a few 78J's in Q1 so there will be some movement on a/c route assignments.
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:18 pm

fun2fly wrote:
codc10 wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
which is a sad way of conducting business if you ask me. UA now have (9) Polaris 763s in active service, enough to dedicate them to a specific service (EWR/ORD-LHR routes for example) and market the hell out of its superior new product to customers. Alas it doesn't. DL, on the other hand, doesn't waste five minutes allocating its new Delta Suites to specific routes, marketing the hell out of them, even charging a premium for the superior product. Come on UA, get your act together.


Going from 764s to 763 results in a capacity cut of 10 premium seats per frequency, which is historically the main driver of LHR yields. In the case of EWR, this summer it’s almost all 764 (4-5x). We’ll see what happens with the winter schedule.


I'm surprised that the early AM eastbound LHR flight also went to a 764. Typically that one was a 752 or 763. I'm kind of bummed as I'm booked on it vs. a chance at a new 763 Polaris.

Regarding the older 763's, someone on one of the threads said that Kirby was not a fan and wanted to get new a/c to phase those out ASAP. Any truth to that rumor? That would certainly shut off any discussion on the lie flat 763's getting Polaris.

Finally, UA has proven they can dedicate certain a/c to a certain route as they are doing with the IPTE 763's. Give them a bit to get the next schedule firmed and the last 3 a/c in service (or in mod) so they can implement. I bet you see it happen with at least one route. There will be some shake ups also with 1 77W + 3 x 78J yet to come this year, and a few 78J's in Q1 so there will be some movement on a/c route assignments.


7 of the oldest non-Polaris 2 cabin 763s (1992/93 builds... check the fleet list and you’ll see which ones) are slated to be retired and won’t get the new cabins. No timetable on that, but I have it on pretty much ironclad authority. I know UA continues to scour the secondhand market for potential adds to keep the fleet about static for the time being.

It was an interesting decision to refit the very oldest 767s (1991/92 builds) but enough money has been invested in cabin upgrades and life extension mods that they’ll be in service for a least a few more years, 3-5 I would guess, to recoup some of this substantial capex.
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:40 pm

fun2fly wrote:

Regarding the older 763's, someone on one of the threads said that Kirby was not a fan and wanted to get new a/c to phase those out ASAP. Any truth to that rumor? That would certainly shut off any discussion on the lie flat 763's getting Polaris.


Its well known the 763 fleet is getting old and having increasing reliability issues. Now with 744s off property, the 763 are the problem children.

To this end UA has a well-publicized RFP out soliciting replacement options and should be making some decisions very soon. Stay tuned.
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Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:54 pm

LAXintl wrote:
fun2fly wrote:

Regarding the older 763's, someone on one of the threads said that Kirby was not a fan and wanted to get new a/c to phase those out ASAP. Any truth to that rumor? That would certainly shut off any discussion on the lie flat 763's getting Polaris.


Its well known the 763 fleet is getting old and having increasing reliability issues. Now with 744s off property, the 763 are the problem children.

To this end UA has a well-publicized RFP out soliciting replacement options and should be making some decisions very soon. Stay tuned.



The announcement should be made on July 17th for the replacement aircraft UA will be taking.
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:14 pm

springtx wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
fun2fly wrote:

Regarding the older 763's, someone on one of the threads said that Kirby was not a fan and wanted to get new a/c to phase those out ASAP. Any truth to that rumor? That would certainly shut off any discussion on the lie flat 763's getting Polaris.


Its well known the 763 fleet is getting old and having increasing reliability issues. Now with 744s off property, the 763 are the problem children.

To this end UA has a well-publicized RFP out soliciting replacement options and should be making some decisions very soon. Stay tuned.



The announcement should be made on July 17th for the replacement aircraft UA will be taking.


Almost certainly additional 787
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:37 pm

springtx wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
fun2fly wrote:

Regarding the older 763's, someone on one of the threads said that Kirby was not a fan and wanted to get new a/c to phase those out ASAP. Any truth to that rumor? That would certainly shut off any discussion on the lie flat 763's getting Polaris.


Its well known the 763 fleet is getting old and having increasing reliability issues. Now with 744s off property, the 763 are the problem children.

To this end UA has a well-publicized RFP out soliciting replacement options and should be making some decisions very soon. Stay tuned.



The announcement should be made on July 17th for the replacement aircraft UA will be taking.


The 767 was unlucky enough to come out only 6 years before airframe technology peaked - hence they'll be gone from UA's fleet in 5 years, while the A320 fleet of the same age do not have retirement plans. Thanks Gen X/Y.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:53 pm

springtx wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
fun2fly wrote:

Regarding the older 763's, someone on one of the threads said that Kirby was not a fan and wanted to get new a/c to phase those out ASAP. Any truth to that rumor? That would certainly shut off any discussion on the lie flat 763's getting Polaris.


Its well known the 763 fleet is getting old and having increasing reliability issues. Now with 744s off property, the 763 are the problem children.

To this end UA has a well-publicized RFP out soliciting replacement options and should be making some decisions very soon. Stay tuned.



The announcement should be made on July 17th for the replacement aircraft UA will be taking.


Should or will???
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:25 am

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7 of the oldest non-Polaris 2 cabin 763s (1992/93 builds... check the fleet list and you’ll see which ones) are slated to be retired and won’t get the new cabins. No timetable on that, but I have it on pretty much ironclad authority. I know UA continues to scour the secondhand market for potential adds to keep the fleet about static for the time being.

It was an interesting decision to refit the very oldest 767s (1991/92 builds) but enough money has been invested in cabin upgrades and life extension mods that they’ll be in service for a least a few more years, 3-5 I would guess, to recoup some of this substantial capex.


That's what kind of threw me for a loop...why get rid of the lie flat 763's that are old and put Polaris on the same age a/c. Regardless, looks like that fleet will be shrinking and a few high density at some point. Overall, good news that UA may be able to add some newer a/c from HA and new a/c from B or A shortly to tune things up. Earlier in the thread, the 78J delivery plan was laid out and it's a trickle for a good number of years past 18/19 so that will certainly change with the current RFP. As noted, the Farnborough airshow seems like a likely spot to announce.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:21 am

Okcflyer wrote:
springtx wrote:
LAXintl wrote:

Its well known the 763 fleet is getting old and having increasing reliability issues. Now with 744s off property, the 763 are the problem children.

To this end UA has a well-publicized RFP out soliciting replacement options and should be making some decisions very soon. Stay tuned.



The announcement should be made on July 17th for the replacement aircraft UA will be taking.


Should or will???

I’d go with ‘should’ on that. ‘Will’ has too much certainty... and as we all know there is very little that’s certain in this business
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:50 am

fun2fly wrote:
codc10 wrote:
7 of the oldest non-Polaris 2 cabin 763s (1992/93 builds... check the fleet list and you’ll see which ones) are slated to be retired and won’t get the new cabins. No timetable on that, but I have it on pretty much ironclad authority. I know UA continues to scour the secondhand market for potential adds to keep the fleet about static for the time being.

It was an interesting decision to refit the very oldest 767s (1991/92 builds) but enough money has been invested in cabin upgrades and life extension mods that they’ll be in service for a least a few more years, 3-5 I would guess, to recoup some of this substantial capex.


That's what kind of threw me for a loop...why get rid of the lie flat 763's that are old and put Polaris on the same age a/c. Regardless, looks like that fleet will be shrinking and a few high density at some point. Overall, good news that UA may be able to add some newer a/c from HA and new a/c from B or A shortly to tune things up. Earlier in the thread, the 78J delivery plan was laid out and it's a trickle for a good number of years past 18/19 so that will certainly change with the current RFP. As noted, the Farnborough airshow seems like a likely spot to announce.


On balance, the 763s are actually going a bit lower-density, with the new heavy-J (46J) configuration that will debut on some ships this year.

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