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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:10 am

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N26902 entered HKG 2783/16Aug, usually maint done in PVG, doen't see a ferry to PVG sked


Performing C Check + GCS Mod at HKG
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:02 am

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According to an internal memo our first two 787-10s are scheduled to be delivered in November.
The 763s we acquired from HA are not scheduled to enter revenue service till March 2019. According to the memo the reason for the long delay is paperwork required by the FAA transferring ownership, poring over every maintenance document with an FAA inspector and then, reconciling maintenance documents from the previous owner, ( and no the FAA doesn't distinguish between a domestic and international carrier meaning there is no fast lane through this process just because HA was the previous owner vs. CZ and the used Airbuses we acquired from them). Once all of this is complete then UA will then be able to strip the entire aircraft to perform extensive modifications to the cabin, flight deck displays, IFE, and Wifi.


Good info, thanks. Any idea on the last 77W delivery?

Based on all things 787 spreadsheet, there will be a good number of 78J's by the end of Q1 also.

Overall, UA fleets will be in really improved shape by this time next year with PMUA's 763, PMUA 777, 78J, HA763's and 77W with Polaris and PE. That will cover a lot of long haul flying.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:04 pm

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The plane was in for STC work. I can't find what kind of work was performed. UA media production was doing some work in the plane as well.


Premium Economy STC with other MX. Photoshoot was for the Premium Economy........
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:13 pm

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LAXintl wrote:
United international fleet allocation for upcoming winter schedule

Looks like 787-10 will debut on EWR-LAX

Image

https://twitter.com/LAflyr/status/1031694425833914369


Impressive, 3x daily wide bodies each between EWR and LAX/ SFO, EWR -SFO with a 77W and EWR-LAX with a 78J.

EWR-LAX 2 772, 1 78J
EWR-SFO 2 772, 1 77W


Those will be proving and familiarization runs for the 787-10.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:31 pm

STT757 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
United international fleet allocation for upcoming winter schedule

Looks like 787-10 will debut on EWR-LAX

Image

https://twitter.com/LAflyr/status/1031694425833914369


Impressive, 3x daily wide bodies each between EWR and LAX/ SFO, EWR -SFO with a 77W and EWR-LAX with a 78J.

EWR-LAX 2 772, 1 78J
EWR-SFO 2 772, 1 77W


I will be flying EWR-LAX in late January. After seeing this post I tried to get on the 78J but it doesn't seem to be loaded into the system yet. When can we expect this to be loaded into UA's reservation system?
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:03 pm

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According to an internal memo our first two 787-10s are scheduled to be delivered in November.

Given N14001 is flying now and N17002 is about to start FAL what is Boeing to do with them till November? A stay at GYR perhaps ?
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:30 pm

iahcsr wrote:
jayunited wrote:
According to an internal memo our first two 787-10s are scheduled to be delivered in November.

Given N14001 is flying now and N17002 is about to start FAL what is Boeing to do with them till November? A stay at GYR perhaps ?

I believe they have yet to be fitted with Polaris seats which is the major hold up. Final GE engine certification on the 78J could be another.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:35 am

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N37507 is now on RNT FAL... Given Boeing’s ongoing parts delivery issues it might be end of September (or later) before its first flight.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:43 am

DoctorVenkman wrote:
STT757 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
United international fleet allocation for upcoming winter schedule

Looks like 787-10 will debut on EWR-LAX

Image

https://twitter.com/LAflyr/status/1031694425833914369


Impressive, 3x daily wide bodies each between EWR and LAX/ SFO, EWR -SFO with a 77W and EWR-LAX with a 78J.

EWR-LAX 2 772, 1 78J
EWR-SFO 2 772, 1 77W


I will be flying EWR-LAX in late January. After seeing this post I tried to get on the 78J but it doesn't seem to be loaded into the system yet. When can we expect this to be loaded into UA's reservation system?


Seconded. I hope to be flying this route on 12/22. Hopefully the 78J will be flying by then.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:35 pm

767 Polaris Mod N647UA sched for test hop 8/30. At two+ months in HKG, it's one of the longer ones, no?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:12 pm

It would be nice if the exit of N647UA allowed a third mod line for 763 Polaris conversions, but I'm sure the manpower has different specialties.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:29 pm

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767 Polaris Mod N647UA sched for test hop 8/30. At two+ months in HKG, it's one of the longer ones, no?


8-10 weeks has been about normal, but this is certainly on the high side. Some of the older 763s have been a bit troublesome in making their return to service. Again, it's a major mod, quite a bit more involved than simply replacing seats. There are some significant avionic and life extension mods 'behind the scenes' which don't always test out smoothly.

I am eager to see how quickly the pace progresses once the two-cabin 767s start going in, which have already undergone most of the requisite work besides installation of the Polaris cabin.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:56 pm

77W:
N2332U sked to exit SFO 871/29Aug, should have PE, but seat map not updated. 9 days at SFO
N2333U could be next one in for PE
 
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:18 am

I just landed at EWR, I had to walk the length of the entire 3rd Y shaped concourse and saw one 764 after another boarding for European destinations.
I know this has been discussed many times before but I’m not sure I ever read about a final decision. What is UA going to do with these rare birds that aren’t that old? Aren’t they younger than some of the 763’s that are being refurbished?
I was always under the impression that UA and DL loved them.
Last I read they were not going to be refitted with Polaris etc- I assume the 78J will take over many of their current routes. But then what is in store for them?
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:23 am

VC10er wrote:
I just landed at EWR, I had to walk the length of the entire 3rd Y shaped concourse and saw one 764 after another boarding for European destinations.
I know this has been discussed many times before but I’m not sure I ever read about a final decision. What is UA going to do with these rare birds that aren’t that old? Aren’t they younger than some of the 763’s that are being refurbished?
I was always under the impression that UA and DL loved them.
Last I read they were not going to be refitted with Polaris etc- I assume the 78J will take over many of their current routes. But then what is in store for them?


I’m pretty sure they will get refitted with Polaris, especially since 763s are getting it.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:38 am

VC10er wrote:
I just landed at EWR, I had to walk the length of the entire 3rd Y shaped concourse and saw one 764 after another boarding for European destinations.
I know this has been discussed many times before but I’m not sure I ever read about a final decision. What is UA going to do with these rare birds that aren’t that old? Aren’t they younger than some of the 763’s that are being refurbished?
I was always under the impression that UA and DL loved them.
Last I read they were not going to be refitted with Polaris etc- I assume the 78J will take over many of their current routes. But then what is in store for them?


They can do domestic P.S. service, as well as other longer routes like east coast-HNL. Alternatively they can also be used for some asia-pacific operations from HNL/GUM.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:50 am

FlightLevel360 wrote:
VC10er wrote:
I just landed at EWR, I had to walk the length of the entire 3rd Y shaped concourse and saw one 764 after another boarding for European destinations.
I know this has been discussed many times before but I’m not sure I ever read about a final decision. What is UA going to do with these rare birds that aren’t that old? Aren’t they younger than some of the 763’s that are being refurbished?
I was always under the impression that UA and DL loved them.
Last I read they were not going to be refitted with Polaris etc- I assume the 78J will take over many of their current routes. But then what is in store for them?


They can do domestic P.S. service, as well as other longer routes like east coast-HNL. Alternatively they can also be used for some asia-pacific operations from HNL/GUM.


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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:51 am

FlightLevel360 wrote:
VC10er wrote:
I just landed at EWR, I had to walk the length of the entire 3rd Y shaped concourse and saw one 764 after another boarding for European destinations.
I know this has been discussed many times before but I’m not sure I ever read about a final decision. What is UA going to do with these rare birds that aren’t that old? Aren’t they younger than some of the 763’s that are being refurbished?
I was always under the impression that UA and DL loved them.
Last I read they were not going to be refitted with Polaris etc- I assume the 78J will take over many of their current routes. But then what is in store for them?


They can do domestic P.S. service, as well as other longer routes like east coast-HNL. Alternatively they can also be used for some asia-pacific operations from HNL/GUM.


Does the pilot contract allow 767s to Asia?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:07 am

764s will get Polaris in time. 763s and 772s are up first; no timetable but they'll be finished along with the rest of the program by 2020.

Agree that there are not enough Y lavs... 8 in the original configuration, cut down to 6 when they went to flat beds in J.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:58 am

VC10er wrote:
I just landed at EWR, I had to walk the length of the entire 3rd Y shaped concourse and saw one 764 after another boarding for European destinations.
I know this has been discussed many times before but I’m not sure I ever read about a final decision. What is UA going to do with these rare birds that aren’t that old? Aren’t they younger than some of the 763’s that are being refurbished?
I was always under the impression that UA and DL loved them.
Last I read they were not going to be refitted with Polaris etc- I assume the 78J will take over many of their current routes. But then what is in store for them?


Funding for Polaris Overhaul for these birds have not been approved yet and has no time-frame as to when the mods will start. The projected seat layout will be 34J/18W/175Y for a total of 227 seats though
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:10 am

splitterz wrote:
FlightLevel360 wrote:
VC10er wrote:
I just landed at EWR, I had to walk the length of the entire 3rd Y shaped concourse and saw one 764 after another boarding for European destinations.
I know this has been discussed many times before but I’m not sure I ever read about a final decision. What is UA going to do with these rare birds that aren’t that old? Aren’t they younger than some of the 763’s that are being refurbished?
I was always under the impression that UA and DL loved them.
Last I read they were not going to be refitted with Polaris etc- I assume the 78J will take over many of their current routes. But then what is in store for them?


They can do domestic P.S. service, as well as other longer routes like east coast-HNL. Alternatively they can also be used for some asia-pacific operations from HNL/GUM.


Does the pilot contract allow 767s to Asia?


Our contract doesn’t specify what mainline aircraft the Company can place on a route. That decision is up to network planning and revenue management.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:14 pm

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N795UA sked to exit XMN 2743/30Aug, at 20 days, will not have Polaris - didn't expect 4 Polaris lines were running at XMN
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:15 pm

Cranky Flier wrote a piece on UA's scope issue based on comments Scott Kirby made at last week's Boyd conference:

https://crankyflier.com/2018/08/27/unit ... it-craves/

I think he's a little too optimistic that unions would agree to scope relief for some sort of restriction on which routes the RJs can fly. Scope choke is working, and the pilot unions have very little incentive to want to give up more scope.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:42 pm

intotheair wrote:
Cranky Flier wrote a piece on UA's scope issue based on comments Scott Kirby made at last week's Boyd conference:

https://crankyflier.com/2018/08/27/unit ... it-craves/

I think he's a little too optimistic that unions would agree to scope relief for some sort of restriction on which routes the RJs can fly. Scope choke is working, and the pilot unions have very little incentive to want to give up more scope.


Kirby wants the AA scope, the pilots want (and have) the DL version. From the article there might be some (but not too much) movement. Either way there is going to have to be a new 100 seat narrowbody for mainline brought in. I think the ERJ-195E2, announced sometime after the Embraer deal with Boeing closes.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:58 pm

VC10er wrote:
I just landed at EWR, I had to walk the length of the entire 3rd Y shaped concourse and saw one 764 after another boarding for European destinations.
I know this has been discussed many times before but I’m not sure I ever read about a final decision. What is UA going to do with these rare birds that aren’t that old? Aren’t they younger than some of the 763’s that are being refurbished?
I was always under the impression that UA and DL loved them.
Last I read they were not going to be refitted with Polaris etc- I assume the 78J will take over many of their current routes. But then what is in store for them?


Under impression the 764 will get Polaris but no idea about the timeline much like the 787s. In the past life at CO some have been used exclusively for HI routes. Wouldn't be surprised if the timeline got pushed out and they end up back on domestic routes.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:29 pm

Full disclaimer, I know next to nothing about scope clauses so I apologize if this is all nonsense. If a mainline carrier owns a regional carrier outright do the scope clauses still apply or is it just for contracted third party flying? Is the primary concern of the union to avoid having regional crews paid mainline salaries or is the concern about mainline flying being farmed out to a different company? Or is it something else entirely?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:45 pm

AviationAddict wrote:
If a mainline carrier owns a regional carrier outright do the scope clauses still apply or is it just for contracted third party flying? Is the primary concern of the union to avoid having regional crews paid mainline salaries or is the concern about mainline flying being farmed out to a different company? Or is it something else entirely?

The primary concern is good-paying jobs being replaced by bad-paying jobs. A wholly-owned regional subsidiary has the same rules as an independent regional affiliate.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:46 pm

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AviationAddict wrote:
Full disclaimer, I know next to nothing about scope clauses so I apologize if this is all nonsense. If a mainline carrier owns a regional carrier outright do the scope clauses still apply or is it just for contracted third party flying? Is the primary concern of the union to avoid having regional crews paid mainline salaries or is the concern about mainline flying being farmed out to a different company? Or is it something else entirely?


There are several threads in scope on airliners do a search.....granted it’s 90% bullshit 9% mostly bullshit and 1% good info.......

Anyways no owning a regional does not get around scope.

If regional crews were paid mainline rates the regionals wouldn’t exist. It’s all about farming out work to the lowest bidder.

The US airline pilots constantly fight with the company over scope because they are out sourcing our jobs to the lowest bidder.

United pilots will not relax scope. I won’t go as far to say it will never be relaxed but the company will have to pay through the nose to get small relief. At that point is it really cost effective to farm out the flying?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:11 am

I feel a bit sheepish about starting a new thread on this topic, but it has been something I have been thinking about: lack of and overcrowding of United Clubs. EWR especially. The new beautiful Polaris Lounge hasn’t left much space for all other Premium fliers and folks with memberships. Then today I get an eerie warning email from United on the very topic- days after being in the EWR UC that was like a scene out of Westworld, below is a snippet from that email:

Additional United Club locations. We welcome travelers to our United Club locations in Terminal A and Terminal C. For travelers departing from Gates C70-115, we recommend the United Club location near Gate C74 or the United Club pop-up location near Gate C93. For travelers departing from Gates 120-138, we recommend our United Club pop-up location near Gate C124. Our pop-up locations offer beer and wine, as well as light snack options.

Alternative options. We anticipate these United Club locations may be full, particularly during peak afternoon and evening travel periods. For those traveling through New York/Newark during these peak periods, our OTG partners offer many dining options that you can explore instead if your schedule allows. United MileagePlus® Credit Cardmembers even enjoy a 20 percent discount.*

We appreciate your patience while we work to bring you an upgraded lounge experience. Please visit united.com/unitedclublocations for up-to-date operational information about all of our United Club locations and United Polaris lounges.

I wonder what “working to bring you an upgraded experience” means? I did not see anything in the link that discussed actually planning on adding more permanent space or upgrading the current TC UC Lounge any further.

There was more to the email, I’m sure others here got it as well, but the changes to TSA and security lanes etc...in order to relieve pile-ups on lines.

Anyway, wasn’t sure if there should be a “United Club and Polaris Lounge Update” thread, I’ll leave that up to the moderators- so I’m just posting here. The problems at EWR are more than palpable! Good problems in a way, a lot of Premium travel, a lot of UA passengers in general at EWR.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:14 am

N649DL wrote:
VC10er wrote:
I just landed at EWR, I had to walk the length of the entire 3rd Y shaped concourse and saw one 764 after another boarding for European destinations.
I know this has been discussed many times before but I’m not sure I ever read about a final decision. What is UA going to do with these rare birds that aren’t that old? Aren’t they younger than some of the 763’s that are being refurbished?
I was always under the impression that UA and DL loved them.
Last I read they were not going to be refitted with Polaris etc- I assume the 78J will take over many of their current routes. But then what is in store for them?


Under impression the 764 will get Polaris but no idea about the timeline much like the 787s. In the past life at CO some have been used exclusively for HI routes. Wouldn't be surprised if the timeline got pushed out and they end up back on domestic routes.


The 787s should start sometime in Q3 next year, from what I gather.
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:23 am

wn676 wrote:
N649DL wrote:
VC10er wrote:
I just landed at EWR, I had to walk the length of the entire 3rd Y shaped concourse and saw one 764 after another boarding for European destinations.
I know this has been discussed many times before but I’m not sure I ever read about a final decision. What is UA going to do with these rare birds that aren’t that old? Aren’t they younger than some of the 763’s that are being refurbished?
I was always under the impression that UA and DL loved them.
Last I read they were not going to be refitted with Polaris etc- I assume the 78J will take over many of their current routes. But then what is in store for them?


Under impression the 764 will get Polaris but no idea about the timeline much like the 787s. In the past life at CO some have been used exclusively for HI routes. Wouldn't be surprised if the timeline got pushed out and they end up back on domestic routes.


The 787s should start sometime in Q3 next year, from what I gather.


The 787-10? I thought the first one to three was going to start before the end of the year? Are there any expectations for a 788 or 789 from EWR? If so, that’s something I never heard about!
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:02 am

VC10er wrote:
wn676 wrote:
N649DL wrote:

Under impression the 764 will get Polaris but no idea about the timeline much like the 787s. In the past life at CO some have been used exclusively for HI routes. Wouldn't be surprised if the timeline got pushed out and they end up back on domestic routes.


The 787s should start sometime in Q3 next year, from what I gather.


The 787-10? I thought the first one to three was going to start before the end of the year? Are there any expectations for a 788 or 789 from EWR? If so, that’s something I never heard about!


That was in regards to the 787 Polaris mods.

As far as EWR, I don’t see any big shift of 787-8/9 flying there in the near term. Admittedly though, having a 787 base there to support the 78J would certainly open up more opportunities for them.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:50 am

787s will obviously be the last planes to get the Polaris mod except the 78Js. Mods should be done by End of 2020.

First Diamond 767 to be converted to the High J "Low-Density" configuration should start January 2019.
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:54 am

redrooster3 wrote:
787s will obviously be the last planes to get the Polaris mod except the 78Js. Mods should be done by End of 2020.

First Diamond 767 to be converted to the High J "Low-Density" configuration should start January 2019.


Any word on how many high-J 767s the company is planning?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:04 am

codc10 wrote:
redrooster3 wrote:
787s will obviously be the last planes to get the Polaris mod except the 78Js. Mods should be done by End of 2020.

First Diamond 767 to be converted to the High J "Low-Density" configuration should start January 2019.


Any word on how many high-J 767s the company is planning?


14, right now. ships 6664-6677. 6664 should be the first to go into mod.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:21 am

wn676 wrote:
VC10er wrote:
wn676 wrote:

The 787s should start sometime in Q3 next year, from what I gather.


The 787-10? I thought the first one to three was going to start before the end of the year? Are there any expectations for a 788 or 789 from EWR? If so, that’s something I never heard about!


That was in regards to the 787 Polaris mods.

As far as EWR, I don’t see any big shift of 787-8/9 flying there in the near term. Admittedly though, having a 787 base there to support the 78J would certainly open up more opportunities for them.


For Polaris J seats on the 787 I am assuming the seats will be slightly narrower than on the 777? I recently saw the AF J seats in reverse herringbone and they are significantly narrower than the "Same" J seats on the 777-300ER. Any ideas or anyone seen the seating map of the 787 with the new polaris seats?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:34 am

gsg013 wrote:
wn676 wrote:
VC10er wrote:

The 787-10? I thought the first one to three was going to start before the end of the year? Are there any expectations for a 788 or 789 from EWR? If so, that’s something I never heard about!


That was in regards to the 787 Polaris mods.

As far as EWR, I don’t see any big shift of 787-8/9 flying there in the near term. Admittedly though, having a 787 base there to support the 78J would certainly open up more opportunities for them.


For Polaris J seats on the 787 I am assuming the seats will be slightly narrower than on the 777? I recently saw the AF J seats in reverse herringbone and they are significantly narrower than the "Same" J seats on the 777-300ER. Any ideas or anyone seen the seating map of the 787 with the new polaris seats?


This should give you an idea of dimensions: https://static.wixstatic.com/media/631a ... 23_s_2.png

The exact configuration for 764/788/789 mods is not yet available.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:59 am

redrooster3 wrote:
codc10 wrote:
Any word on how many high-J 767s the company is planning?

14, right now. ships 6664-6677. 6664 should be the first to go into mod.

Shouldn't this be 17 including the 3 ex-HA frames?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:08 pm

codc10: The "Polaris" modules graphic is interesting. Is there one available for the 767?
Module length would be helpful.
I would assume the first full layout lower graphic is the 777 and last 330 - which is graphic 2, 787 or 350?
The 767 should be similar to the 777, just one module across.
From my Calculations, taking cabin width from Wikipedia and 18.5 aisles, I calculate each module takes up the following widths
777 cabin width 231, module width 48.5
350 cabin width 221, module width 46.0
787 cabin width 216, module width 44.75
330 cabin width 204, module width 41.75
767 cabin width 186, module width 49.67 (3 modules across and assume 18.5 aisles)
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:31 pm

codc10 wrote:
gsg013 wrote:
wn676 wrote:

That was in regards to the 787 Polaris mods.

As far as EWR, I don’t see any big shift of 787-8/9 flying there in the near term. Admittedly though, having a 787 base there to support the 78J would certainly open up more opportunities for them.


For Polaris J seats on the 787 I am assuming the seats will be slightly narrower than on the 777? I recently saw the AF J seats in reverse herringbone and they are significantly narrower than the "Same" J seats on the 777-300ER. Any ideas or anyone seen the seating map of the 787 with the new polaris seats?


This should give you an idea of dimensions: https://static.wixstatic.com/media/631a ... 23_s_2.png

The exact configuration for 764/788/789 mods is not yet available.

That chart is very interesting. While it make sense that the 787/A330 seat areas were narrower than the 777/A350 elbow to elbow, I think it is well designed that the actual seat is the same width. What I was really surprised about is that it says the 787/A330 seats are longer than the 777/A350 seats. Is this just because of the exact arrangements of the length of the cabin between Doors 1 and 2 on each respective aircraft, or is this a conscious decision to make up for the narrower space by giving more foot space? Does anyone have the dimensions for the 767's seats?

I wish there was a similar chart easily accessible for some of the other J seats I have flown on. I have not experienced Polaris yet, but as a stomach sleeper, I find that the space around my head the biggest differentiator between seats, as I stick my arm straight out. EVA's were not the most comfortable seat (although I didn't opt to use their pad, as I was just taking a nap) but it was the only seat that hasn't required me to curl my toes or press my knuckles against the shell of the seat. Thai's seats were good, despite the complete lack storage for even my contacts case.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:04 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
redrooster3 wrote:
codc10 wrote:
Any word on how many high-J 767s the company is planning?

14, right now. ships 6664-6677. 6664 should be the first to go into mod.

Shouldn't this be 17 including the 3 ex-HA frames?

Yes.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:46 pm

VC10er wrote:
wn676 wrote:
N649DL wrote:

Under impression the 764 will get Polaris but no idea about the timeline much like the 787s. In the past life at CO some have been used exclusively for HI routes. Wouldn't be surprised if the timeline got pushed out and they end up back on domestic routes.


The 787s should start sometime in Q3 next year, from what I gather.


The 787-10? I thought the first one to three was going to start before the end of the year? Are there any expectations for a 788 or 789 from EWR? If so, that’s something I never heard about!


No I was referencing timeline in relation to 764 and 787-8/9 Polaris installation (which seems low priority at this point). I don't believe any other 787 variants other than the -10s will go to EWR.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:12 pm

Are B763 cabins that are getting Polaris updated in Y? Just heard someone complaining about their experience in Economy.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:36 pm

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Are B763 cabins that are getting Polaris updated in Y? Just heard someone complaining about their experience in Economy.

Yes. The 3-cabin 763 conversations are being updated to match (and in some cases exceed) their 2-cabin counterparts – new bins, new seats (signature surfaces, new IFE), new carets, I believe new bulkheads.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:28 pm

N649DL wrote:
No I was referencing timeline in relation to 764 and 787-8/9 Polaris installation (which seems low priority at this point). I don't believe any other 787 variants other than the -10s will go to EWR.


I don't think they are low priority, these aircraft will start their modification in Q3 of 2019 as others have already stated. United's position from the beginning of Polaris has always been one of; aircraft with 3 cabins will go into modification first. Right now UA has 3 different premium layouts sUA, sCO and the actual Polaris seat on our widebody fleet, they want to reduce it to 2 layouts as quickly as possible.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:59 am

763:
N647UA test hop at HKG right now- hopefully completed soon. So far 65 days in Polaris mod, about equal to last two in mod.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:06 am

So...following this now...

I was originally lead to believe that for the 767-300's...

The 2 Class 763 (Pre Polaris) were NOT going to be refitted and going to be retired or something...and the 3 Class 767-300 would get Polaris..

Now...is it going to be 2 Class 763 is going to the High J, Low Density configuration which....will have Polaris or No?

I so cannot wait until we are finally consistent at United, it is so confusing when flying..which 737's have TV which do not...which 767 has Polaris..etc

Keep up the great work with these fleet updates!

Thanks,

Alex
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:17 am

atrude777 wrote:
So...following this now...

I was originally lead to believe that for the 767-300's...

The 2 Class 763 (Pre Polaris) were NOT going to be refitted and going to be retired or something...and the 3 Class 767-300 would get Polaris..

Now...is it going to be 2 Class 763 is going to the High J, Low Density configuration which....will have Polaris or No?

I so cannot wait until we are finally consistent at United, it is so confusing when flying..which 737's have TV which do not...which 767 has Polaris..etc

Keep up the great work with these fleet updates!

Thanks,

Alex


The 763s with the 2x1x2 J configuration will get the high J configuration. The remaining 763s in 3-cabin 763s will not.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:53 am

jayunited wrote:
N649DL wrote:
No I was referencing timeline in relation to 764 and 787-8/9 Polaris installation (which seems low priority at this point). I don't believe any other 787 variants other than the -10s will go to EWR.


I don't think they are low priority, these aircraft will start their modification in Q3 of 2019 as others have already stated. United's position from the beginning of Polaris has always been one of; aircraft with 3 cabins will go into modification first. Right now UA has 3 different premium layouts sUA, sCO and the actual Polaris seat on our widebody fleet, they want to reduce it to 2 layouts as quickly as possible.




Is the plan still to hold off the launch and sale of PP till the “sunset” of the F cabin?

I recall seeing something where PP was labeled O rather than W. I can only imagine the confusion this would cause within *A, but it was a very preliminary document. So it maybe different by now.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:06 am

atrude777 wrote:
So...following this now...

I was originally lead to believe that for the 767-300's...

The 2 Class 763 (Pre Polaris) were NOT going to be refitted and going to be retired or something...and the 3 Class 767-300 would get Polaris..

Now...is it going to be 2 Class 763 is going to the High J, Low Density configuration which....will have Polaris or No?

I so cannot wait until we are finally consistent at United, it is so confusing when flying..which 737's have TV which do not...which 767 has Polaris..etc

Keep up the great work with these fleet updates!

Thanks,

Alex


As I understand now, the 7 1992/1993 build 2-cabin 763s will be retired eventually and are not planned for new Polaris interiors. The other 14 (1998+ deliveries) will be high-J (46J) along with the 3 ex-HA birds, for a total of 17. Ultimately there will also be 14 763 in the 30J Polaris configuration; these are former 3-cabin airplanes.

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