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Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:56 pm

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United's 787-10 at IAD is currently showing up on FR24 as "UNITED10" in the maintenance hangar. I wonder if it's just testing or if it's actually going somewhere? I assume the former.


I am looking at an internal United program called Concourse Manager. I "see" it (A/C 1001) sitting on parking spot HA1 in front of a hangar at IAD. It is not routed and there is no maintenance being performed on it. They have not set up a maintenance shift turn-over page for the induction process yet.

Concourse Manager gives you a visual representation of where each United airplane is located at various airports. It also gives you routing and maintenance information.

It would be nice if that program were accessible to we mere UA Passenger Service people... via SSD or such. But I doubt it. I might ask someone in Ops about it though.
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:16 am

I saw it last week in the hanger the day after it arrived at IAD
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:20 am

Nose# Type...........Serial#..N#.......Fuse#..YR.........Fleet Code
7511 737MAX-9 43449 N27511 7338......19 ........42 / 61
7512 737MAX-9 43449 N47512 7361......19 ........42 / 61
7513 737MAX-9 64494 N37513 7394......19 ........42 / 61
7514 737MAX-9 43450 N37514 7428.......19.........42 / 61
7515 737MAX-9 43452 N27515 7463.......TBD......42 / 61
7516 737MAX-9 43454 TBD...... 7498......TBD......42 / 61
7751 737MAX-10 66122 TBD...... 7644......TBD .....43 / 61
7752 737MAX-10 66123 TBD...... 7705......TBD .....43 / 61
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:38 am

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Nose# Type...........Serial#..N#.......Fuse#..YR.........Fleet Code
7511 737MAX-9 43449 N27511 7338......19 ........42 / 61
7512 737MAX-9 43449 N47512 7361......19 ........42 / 61
7513 737MAX-9 64494 N37513 7394......19 ........42 / 61
7514 737MAX-9 43450 N37514 7428.......19.........42 / 61
7515 737MAX-9 43452 N27515 7463.......TBD......42 / 61
7516 737MAX-9 43454 TBD...... 7498......TBD......42 / 61
7751 737MAX-10 66122 TBD...... 7644......TBD .....43 / 61
7752 737MAX-10 66123 TBD...... 7705......TBD .....43 / 61

Ok so why exactly are the Max10 starting at 7751 and not 7701? I would hope there is a logical reason ..... but I doubt it..
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:09 pm

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CALTECH wrote:
Nose# Type...........Serial#..N#.......Fuse#..YR.........Fleet Code
7511 737MAX-9 43449 N27511 7338......19 ........42 / 61
7512 737MAX-9 43449 N47512 7361......19 ........42 / 61
7513 737MAX-9 64494 N37513 7394......19 ........42 / 61
7514 737MAX-9 43450 N37514 7428.......19.........42 / 61
7515 737MAX-9 43452 N27515 7463.......TBD......42 / 61
7516 737MAX-9 43454 TBD...... 7498......TBD......42 / 61
7751 737MAX-10 66122 TBD...... 7644......TBD .....43 / 61
7752 737MAX-10 66123 TBD...... 7705......TBD .....43 / 61

Ok so why exactly are the Max10 starting at 7751 and not 7701? I would hope there is a logical reason ..... but I doubt it..


I would assume it is to avoid conflicts with the 73G fleet but that's probably not the case.
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:03 pm

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Last: and we’ve discussed this before many, many times... but the First Class interiors of the 752’s are becoming worse and worse every time I’m on one.
Last week from Denver to Newark the 752 I was on was in such bad shape it would almost worry someone if she was air worthy!
In seat 1A, the wall panel down under the footrest was “missing” and the rubber molding around the top of the galley bulkhead was falling off and there were giant air bubbles under the blue-grey wallpaper. Scrapes and other repairs were sloppily painted over in a dissimilar grey/tan color- almost like someone who used nail polish on a car.
The FA’s were really, really great. Service was the tops!
But these 752’s must get a real serious renovation because it’s simply wrong to charge Polaris prices to fly this aircraft TATL and have the front cabin so conspicuously worn down. What will UA do, there is no way they can fly these planes in that condition for another 8-10 years?
The economy cabin looked good actually- but F was like it was for Walking Dead!


Something might start around July 2019, complete interior renewal start hopefully.......

Saw #865 with her new interior, everything looked great except for the door slide covers. Everything else was redone. Noticed the 2 extra seats by door 2R like on the subUAL 757-200s is now on the 757-300s with the new interior.
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:34 pm

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Something might start around July 2019, complete interior renewal start hopefully.......

Saw #865 with her new interior, everything looked great except for the door slide covers. Everything else was redone. Noticed the 2 extra seats by door 2R like on the subUAL 757-200s is now on the 757-300s with the new interior.


Any pics on the new 753 interiors?
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:17 am

73G:
N39728 exited SFO 2757/10Nov, remaining a domestic unit

738:
N37281 exited MCO 2752/12Nov, appears headed to GUM service
N77295 entered MCO 2732/10Nov, appears destined to be come Domestic unit (from GUM)

789:
N29961 exited XMN maint 2740/13Nov
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:50 am

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iahcsr wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
Nose# Type...........Serial#..N#.......Fuse#..YR.........Fleet Code
7511 737MAX-9 43449 N27511 7338......19 ........42 / 61
7512 737MAX-9 43449 N47512 7361......19 ........42 / 61
7513 737MAX-9 64494 N37513 7394......19 ........42 / 61
7514 737MAX-9 43450 N37514 7428.......19.........42 / 61
7515 737MAX-9 43452 N27515 7463.......TBD......42 / 61
7516 737MAX-9 43454 TBD...... 7498......TBD......42 / 61
7751 737MAX-10 66122 TBD...... 7644......TBD .....43 / 61
7752 737MAX-10 66123 TBD...... 7705......TBD .....43 / 61

Ok so why exactly are the Max10 starting at 7751 and not 7701? I would hope there is a logical reason ..... but I doubt it..


I would assume it is to avoid conflicts with the 73G fleet but that's probably not the case.

Such conflict is happening now with the Max9 and the 738 fleet numbers... More likely some desk jockey just made a purely random decision. Someone at CO did the same with the 762 and 753 fleet numbering too.. :crazy:
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:50 pm

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Ok so why exactly are the Max10 starting at 7751 and not 7701? I would hope there is a logical reason ..... but I doubt it..


I would assume it is to avoid conflicts with the 73G fleet but that's probably not the case.

Such conflict is happening now with the Max9 and the 738 fleet numbers... More likely some desk jockey just made a purely random decision. Someone at CO did the same with the 762 and 753 fleet numbering too.. :crazy:


UA's aircraft numbers are 4 digits, so 0754 (B737-700) will not conflict with 7754 (B737-10MAX)

The MAX9's do no conflict with the B737-800's, the 800's start with "0", 0501, where the MAX9's start with "7" , 7501, so no conflict.
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:52 pm

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VC10er wrote:
Last: and we’ve discussed this before many, many times... but the First Class interiors of the 752’s are becoming worse and worse every time I’m on one.
Last week from Denver to Newark the 752 I was on was in such bad shape it would almost worry someone if she was air worthy!
In seat 1A, the wall panel down under the footrest was “missing” and the rubber molding around the top of the galley bulkhead was falling off and there were giant air bubbles under the blue-grey wallpaper. Scrapes and other repairs were sloppily painted over in a dissimilar grey/tan color- almost like someone who used nail polish on a car.
The FA’s were really, really great. Service was the tops!
But these 752’s must get a real serious renovation because it’s simply wrong to charge Polaris prices to fly this aircraft TATL and have the front cabin so conspicuously worn down. What will UA do, there is no way they can fly these planes in that condition for another 8-10 years?
The economy cabin looked good actually- but F was like it was for Walking Dead!


Something might start around July 2019, complete interior renewal start hopefully.......

Saw #865 with her new interior, everything looked great except for the door slide covers. Everything else was redone. Noticed the 2 extra seats by door 2R like on the subUAL 757-200s is now on the 757-300s with the new interior.

Still can't believe they added 21 seats and removed a lav. 70 pax per lav in Y, and potentially on some long flights like HI. There's always a lot of press about shrinking seat size, but sometimes I think those articles miss some of the other things airlines are doing to squeeze us in.

I'm curious how people feel. Those space saver lavs have gotten tons of criticism, but would you rather have two space saver lavs or one regular lav available to you?
 
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Nose# Type...........Serial#..N#.......Fuse#..YR.........Fleet Code
7511 737MAX-9 43449 N27511 7338......19 ........42 / 61
7512 737MAX-9 43449 N47512 7361......19 ........42 / 61


Seems to be a little error here, both are showing the same Serial/MSN ?
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:14 pm

cosyr wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
VC10er wrote:
Last: and we’ve discussed this before many, many times... but the First Class interiors of the 752’s are becoming worse and worse every time I’m on one.
Last week from Denver to Newark the 752 I was on was in such bad shape it would almost worry someone if she was air worthy!
In seat 1A, the wall panel down under the footrest was “missing” and the rubber molding around the top of the galley bulkhead was falling off and there were giant air bubbles under the blue-grey wallpaper. Scrapes and other repairs were sloppily painted over in a dissimilar grey/tan color- almost like someone who used nail polish on a car.
The FA’s were really, really great. Service was the tops!
But these 752’s must get a real serious renovation because it’s simply wrong to charge Polaris prices to fly this aircraft TATL and have the front cabin so conspicuously worn down. What will UA do, there is no way they can fly these planes in that condition for another 8-10 years?
The economy cabin looked good actually- but F was like it was for Walking Dead!


Something might start around July 2019, complete interior renewal start hopefully.......

Saw #865 with her new interior, everything looked great except for the door slide covers. Everything else was redone. Noticed the 2 extra seats by door 2R like on the subUAL 757-200s is now on the 757-300s with the new interior.

Still can't believe they added 21 seats and removed a lav. 70 pax per lav in Y, and potentially on some long flights like HI. There's always a lot of press about shrinking seat size, but sometimes I think those articles miss some of the other things airlines are doing to squeeze us in.

I'm curious how people feel. Those space saver lavs have gotten tons of criticism, but would you rather have two space saver lavs or one regular lav available to you?


Note that the 753 configuration is just matching Delta's configuration right now. They have the exact same number of seats, and I don't see anybody complaining about Delta's configuration.

I would rather have more lavs. Let's face it: People are going to be spending 5-7 minutes in a lavatory, maximum. SpaceFlex lavs are not as bad as they may seem. I've used them quite frequently on 737NG flights (recent builds) and have had no problems with the design at all. The only thing that airlines need to be careful about is to turn the water pressure lower on the faucets; which will keep the water from sloshing out of the basin.
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:21 pm

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I'm curious how people feel. Those space saver lavs have gotten tons of criticism, but would you rather have two space saver lavs or one regular lav available to you?

Two space savers please.

Rather contort my way into a lav now than queue (and maybe get sent back to my seat because of turbulence/a service/"security") when I've really gotta go.
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:32 pm

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Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:37 pm

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iahcsr wrote:
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I would assume it is to avoid conflicts with the 73G fleet but that's probably not the case.

Such conflict is happening now with the Max9 and the 738 fleet numbers... More likely some desk jockey just made a purely random decision. Someone at CO did the same with the 762 and 753 fleet numbering too.. :crazy:


UA's aircraft numbers are 4 digits, so 0754 (B737-700) will not conflict with 7754 (B737-10MAX)

The MAX9's do no conflict with the B737-800's, the 800's start with "0", 0501, where the MAX9's start with "7" , 7501, so no conflict.

Indeed. Which still leaves the logic of the MAX10s starting at 7751 rather than 7701 in question.
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:31 pm

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iahcsr wrote:
Such conflict is happening now with the Max9 and the 738 fleet numbers... More likely some desk jockey just made a purely random decision. Someone at CO did the same with the 762 and 753 fleet numbering too.. :crazy:


UA's aircraft numbers are 4 digits, so 0754 (B737-700) will not conflict with 7754 (B737-10MAX)

The MAX9's do no conflict with the B737-800's, the 800's start with "0", 0501, where the MAX9's start with "7" , 7501, so no conflict.

Indeed. Which still leaves the logic of the MAX10s starting at 7751 rather than 7701 in question.


Fleet numbers between 7562 and 7750 inclusive may be reserved for a future top-up 737 MAX 9 order to replace the narrowbody Airbus fleet and some of the earlier sCO 737NGs?
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:59 pm

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I'm curious how people feel. Those space saver lavs have gotten tons of criticism, but would you rather have two space saver lavs or one regular lav available to you?

Two space savers please.

Rather contort my way into a lav now than queue (and maybe get sent back to my seat because of turbulence/a service/"security") when I've really gotta go.

I completely agree. Are the space savers available yet for the 757, or is it just 737 and A320? Seems like if Boeing doesn't offer it, someone aftermarket would, like the aftermarket sky interiors.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:26 pm

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iahcsr wrote:
Amwest2United wrote:

UA's aircraft numbers are 4 digits, so 0754 (B737-700) will not conflict with 7754 (B737-10MAX)

The MAX9's do no conflict with the B737-800's, the 800's start with "0", 0501, where the MAX9's start with "7" , 7501, so no conflict.

Indeed. Which still leaves the logic of the MAX10s starting at 7751 rather than 7701 in question.


Fleet numbers between 7562 and 7750 inclusive may be reserved for a future top-up 737 MAX 9 order to replace the narrowbody Airbus fleet and some of the earlier sCO 737NGs?

Possibly, but 7100-7499 should be available for that? In fact wonder why Max9s weren’t started at 7101 to start with.. :scratchchin:
Hmmm.. perhaps leaving room for future Max8s ?
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:32 pm

763:
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738: 
N73278 exited MIA 2743/14Nov, headed to GUM service, expected swap out with N77295
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:38 pm

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738: 
N73278 exited MIA 2743/14Nov, headed to GUM service, expected swap out with N77295

The first batch of 73Gs and 738s sent to GUM stayed there for many, many years before swapping out. This current (3rd?) mass swap out is happening much sooner. I suspect GUM’s salt air environment effect on the airframes is making this necessary.
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:46 pm

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738: 
N73278 exited MIA 2743/14Nov, headed to GUM service, expected swap out with N77295


#282 in MCO for Domestic - GBO Conversion.

#295 in MCO for GBO - Domestic Conversion
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:29 pm

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738: 
N73278 exited MIA 2743/14Nov, headed to GUM service, expected swap out with N77295


#282 in MCO for Domestic - GBO Conversion.

#295 in MCO for GBO - Domestic Conversion

Interesting that all these swap outs are in numerical sequence.. going in are 278-282, coming out 293-299
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calpsafltskeds wrote:
738: 
N73278 exited MIA 2743/14Nov, headed to GUM service, expected swap out with N77295


#282 in MCO for Domestic - GBO Conversion.

#295 in MCO for GBO - Domestic Conversion

Interesting that all these swap outs are in numerical sequence.. going in are 278-282, coming out 293-299


Easier to keep track of and keep the corrosion at bay.

Boeing 787-10 International Schedule
Start....... UA Flight........Depart Time......................Arrive Time
March 30 UA 960 EWR 7:50 p.m. FRA (Frankfurt)....9:20 a.m.
March 30 UA.. 84 EWR 4:55 p.m..TLV (Tel Aviv).....10:15 a.m.
April 29... UA.. 57 EWR 6:40 p.m. CDG (Paris).........7:45 a.m.
April 29... UA 120 EWR 7:30 p.m. BCN (Barcelona) 9:00 a.m.
May 22....UA 999 EWR 6:30 p.m. BRU (Brussels)....7:45 a.m.
May 22....UA 23.. EWR 7:25 p.m. DUB (Dublin)........7:05 a.m.
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The 787-10 international service keeps the aircraft at EWR and all six will probably be on the ground at EWR every afternoon. There should also be aircraft serving EWR-SFO/LAX turning at EWR and probably a spare.
The TLV departure can turn from any arrival and TLV arrival can turn to all flights except TLV. The rest can do turn arounds and this takes 6 units without spares.
I'm kind of surprised that UA would place the 78X on both low premium markets like BCN/DUB that have been flown by 772A high density aircraft and BRU, which has high premium traffic and some on these threads feel the low density 763 Polaris aircraft would be placed on BRU routes.
Based on schedules in each market a week prior to switch, here are the seat changes (assuming 772 is non-Polaris sUA units):
3/30 FRA, replaces 772, -4BF, +21PE, -68E+, +100Y = +49 Total
3/30 TLV, replaces 772, -4BF, +21PE, -68E+, +100Y = +49 Total
4/29 CDG, replaces 764 +5BF, +21PE, -35E+, +77Y = +78 Total
4/29 BCN, replaces 763, +14BF, +21PE, -1E+, +70Y = +104 Total
5/22 BRU, replaces 772, -4BF, +21PE, -68E+, +100Y = +49 Total
5/22 DUB, replaces 772A, +16BF, +21PE, -57E+, -26Y = -46 Total
Of course, this will release 3 772ERs, a couple 763s and in peak summer 2 772As for reassignment/expansion. Will we see more domestic or Hawaii service with the 772A? How about more TATL with 772ER/767s? It's all good!
 
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From: Your United Daily
Thursday, November 15, 2018
IAD wraps modifications on 787-10

The Tech Ops team at IAD completed post-delivery modifications on our first Boeing 787-10 Dreamliner earlier this week. After a full day of FAA inspections on November 14, we passed our Conformity and ETOPS (extended operations) inspections. The FAA complimented United’s preparation and hard work to make the day a success, and now we can proceed with familiarization and validation flights starting this weekend.

The IAD team is no stranger to 787 post-delivery modification work, having done work on three 787-9s previously. Work on this 787-10 began as soon as it arrived from the Boeing factory in Charleston, South Carolina, on November 6. Post-delivery modifications involve a combination of physical modifications to the interior and exterior of the aircraft and its fixtures and myriad customized software loads and updates.

In preparation for the FAA visit and the -10’s entry into service, representatives from numerous United departments audited their manuals and drawings while on the aircraft. Some of those included: Aircraft Provisioning, Catering Operations, Corporate Security, eCommerce, Engineering, Quality Assurance, Flight Operations and Inflight Services.

Starting with a flight from IAD to DEN this weekend, we will spend several weeks ferrying the aircraft to various hubs, including EWR and LAX for station familiarization and taxi training, and also FAA-required ETOPS validation flights. The “Big Metal Bird” crew also plans to film an episode featuring the aircraft, and an employee delivery event is also planned.

We are the North American launch customer of the 787-10, which is the largest Dreamliner. Our 787-10s feature 44 United Polaris business class seats, 21 United® Premium Plus seats, 54 Economy Plus seats and 199 standard United Economy seats.
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Nose# Type...........Serial#..N#.......Fuse#..YR.........Fleet Code
7511 737MAX-9 43449 N27511 7338......19 ........42 / 61
7512 737MAX-9 43449 N47512 7361......19 ........42 / 61


Seems to be a little error here, both are showing the same Serial/MSN ?


#7512 number is wrong. 43449 is # 7511......
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From: Your United Daily
Thursday, November 15, 2018
IAD wraps modifications on 787-10

The Tech Ops team at IAD completed post-delivery modifications on our first Boeing 787-10 Dreamliner earlier this week. After a full day of FAA inspections on November 14, we passed our Conformity and ETOPS (extended operations) inspections. The FAA complimented United’s preparation and hard work to make the day a success, and now we can proceed with familiarization and validation flights starting this weekend.

The IAD team is no stranger to 787 post-delivery modification work, having done work on three 787-9s previously. Work on this 787-10 began as soon as it arrived from the Boeing factory in Charleston, South Carolina, on November 6. Post-delivery modifications involve a combination of physical modifications to the interior and exterior of the aircraft and its fixtures and myriad customized software loads and updates.

In preparation for the FAA visit and the -10’s entry into service, representatives from numerous United departments audited their manuals and drawings while on the aircraft. Some of those included: Aircraft Provisioning, Catering Operations, Corporate Security, eCommerce, Engineering, Quality Assurance, Flight Operations and Inflight Services.

Starting with a flight from IAD to DEN this weekend, we will spend several weeks ferrying the aircraft to various hubs, including EWR and LAX for station familiarization and taxi training, and also FAA-required ETOPS validation flights. The “Big Metal Bird” crew also plans to film an episode featuring the aircraft, and an employee delivery event is also planned.

We are the North American launch customer of the 787-10, which is the largest Dreamliner. Our 787-10s feature 44 United Polaris business class seats, 21 United® Premium Plus seats, 54 Economy Plus seats and 199 standard United Economy seats.

Do you know if they're planning on inducting the bulk of the 787-10s at IAD?
 
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Of course, this will release 3 772ERs, a couple 763s and in peak summer 2 772As for reassignment/expansion. Will we see more domestic or Hawaii service with the 772A? How about more TATL with 772ER/767s? It's all good!


Don't forget EWR-NAP, EWR-PRG, SFO-AMS, and IAD-TLV were announced to start this summer. DEN-OGG goes to the 772A for the summer as well. I'm sure there are other fleet shuffles.
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Thanks, hoya - love the expansion

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N2138U could be next in for PE, 59/17Nov
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:44 am

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From: Your United Daily
Thursday, November 15, 2018
IAD wraps modifications on 787-10

The Tech Ops team at IAD completed post-delivery modifications on our first Boeing 787-10 Dreamliner earlier this week. After a full day of FAA inspections on November 14, we passed our Conformity and ETOPS (extended operations) inspections. The FAA complimented United’s preparation and hard work to make the day a success, and now we can proceed with familiarization and validation flights starting this weekend.

The IAD team is no stranger to 787 post-delivery modification work, having done work on three 787-9s previously. Work on this 787-10 began as soon as it arrived from the Boeing factory in Charleston, South Carolina, on November 6. Post-delivery modifications involve a combination of physical modifications to the interior and exterior of the aircraft and its fixtures and myriad customized software loads and updates.

In preparation for the FAA visit and the -10’s entry into service, representatives from numerous United departments audited their manuals and drawings while on the aircraft. Some of those included: Aircraft Provisioning, Catering Operations, Corporate Security, eCommerce, Engineering, Quality Assurance, Flight Operations and Inflight Services.

Starting with a flight from IAD to DEN this weekend, we will spend several weeks ferrying the aircraft to various hubs, including EWR and LAX for station familiarization and taxi training, and also FAA-required ETOPS validation flights. The “Big Metal Bird” crew also plans to film an episode featuring the aircraft, and an employee delivery event is also planned.

We are the North American launch customer of the 787-10, which is the largest Dreamliner. Our 787-10s feature 44 United Polaris business class seats, 21 United® Premium Plus seats, 54 Economy Plus seats and 199 standard United Economy seats.

Do you know if they're planning on inducting the bulk of the 787-10s at IAD?

Unfortunately I’m not in the loop on that sort of thing. I an fairly certain N17002 will go to IAD, but unless they have the available space to induct two at the same time I suspect N12003 may go elsewhere.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:34 pm

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Unfortunately I’m not in the loop on that sort of thing. I an fairly certain N17002 will go to IAD, but unless they have the available space to induct two at the same time I suspect N12003 may go elsewhere.

Ah, okay. Yeah, I doubt they'd have the space to induct two and still run their normal maintenance ops. It seems to make sense (to me, anyway) logistically to do the work at IAD — CHS is a 90 minute flight, and most of these deliveries will probably be pressed into service at EWR. No sense in sending them out west if the work can be done here. Obviously it makes no difference for this first delivery since it's headed to DEN anyway, but it may make sense in the future.

In any case, I'm glad to see them making good use of their new mx facilities at IAD. I'd imagine that having more bases capable of inducting new aircraft gives the company flexibility when it comes to accepting new deliveries.
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:51 pm

763 Polaris Mod N654UA out for a test hop tomorrow and HNL the day after (if it has any luck).
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:53 pm

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Unfortunately I’m not in the loop on that sort of thing. I an fairly certain N17002 will go to IAD, but unless they have the available space to induct two at the same time I suspect N12003 may go elsewhere.

Ah, okay. Yeah, I doubt they'd have the space to induct two and still run their normal maintenance ops. It seems to make sense (to me, anyway) logistically to do the work at IAD — CHS is a 90 minute flight, and most of these deliveries will probably be pressed into service at EWR. No sense in sending them out west if the work can be done here. Obviously it makes no difference for this first delivery since it's headed to DEN anyway, but it may make sense in the future.

In any case, I'm glad to see them making good use of their new mx facilities at IAD. I'd imagine that having more bases capable of inducting new aircraft gives the company flexibility when it comes to accepting new deliveries.

Given there are five, or perhaps six, new inductees coming before year end IAD, SEA and likely one other location will be kept busy.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:10 pm

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763 Polaris Mod N654UA out for a test hop tomorrow and HNL the day after (if it has any luck).



this should be the last of the 3 class 767 in mod right?
 
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763 Polaris Mod N654UA out for a test hop tomorrow and HNL the day after (if it has any luck).



this should be the last of the 3 class 767 in mod right?

No, one more. N660UA is still doing ORDLHR round trips. Must be only one mod line now, so waiting for 654 to exit.(?)
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:23 pm

UAX Update:

E35:
N12528 has exited the fleet. Airframe sold.

CR2:
N781CA (1999 build) has entered UAX service with ExpressJet (globe livery). 9th in this fleet.
 
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Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:05 am

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UAX Update:

E35:
N12528 has exited the fleet. Airframe sold.

CR2:
N781CA (1999 build) has entered UAX service with ExpressJet (globe livery). 9th in this fleet.


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Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:40 am

A CRj is better than no flight and/or limited connectivity with barely daily or less than daily options. They fill an important role and most are on local routes less than 800 miles away.
 
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Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:31 am

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UAX Update:

E35:
N12528 has exited the fleet. Airframe sold.

CR2:
N781CA (1999 build) has entered UAX service with ExpressJet (globe livery). 9th in this fleet.

N12528 Ferried IAHBGR four days ago... Wonder who bought it and why BGR. Seems an unlikely place for part out or chop shop.
The other two, 529, 530 haven’t flown in weeks. Safe to think both are officially retired from service?
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Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:42 pm

iahcsr wrote:
UAinAUS wrote:
UAX Update:

E35:
N12528 has exited the fleet. Airframe sold.

CR2:
N781CA (1999 build) has entered UAX service with ExpressJet (globe livery). 9th in this fleet.

N12528 Ferried IAHBGR four days ago... Wonder who bought it and why BGR. Seems an unlikely place for part out or chop shop.
The other two, 529, 530 haven’t flown in weeks. Safe to think both are officially retired from service?


Safe in my opinion. With E145s being pulled out of the desert and returned to service, the CR2s coming online, and the MAX9's arriving there should enough capacity to absorb finally dropping these three from service as the MAX9s allow mainline capacity to be pushed further into routes previously served by the larger RJs.

It's always been in the cards that the three E135s would be gone by the end of the year. They tried to retire them earlier in the year but I suspect needed the frames to continue serving the routes until the replacement E145s came online.
 
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Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:36 pm

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763 Polaris Mod N654UA out for a test hop tomorrow and HNL the day after (if it has any luck).

Any luck? Well not so much ... Cancelled... So 660 will continue ORDLHRORDLHR for awhile longer.
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:46 am

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United's 787-10 at IAD is currently showing up on FR24 as "UNITED10" in the maintenance hangar. I wonder if it's just testing or if it's actually going somewhere? I assume the former.


I am looking at an internal United program called Concourse Manager. I "see" it (A/C 1001) sitting on parking spot HA1 in front of a hangar at IAD. It is not routed and there is no maintenance being performed on it. They have not set up a maintenance shift turn-over page for the induction process yet.

Concourse Manager gives you a visual representation of where each United airplane is located at various airports. It also gives you routing and maintenance information.

It would be nice if that program were accessible to we mere UA Passenger Service people... via SSD or such. But I doubt it. I might ask someone in Ops about it though.

That's an internal program for Routing, Maintenance and .. It's not a public program, And I doubt it would ever be. Customer Service other programs they Can see..
 
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:01 am

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The 787-10 international service keeps the aircraft at EWR and all six will probably be on the ground at EWR every afternoon. There should also be aircraft serving EWR-SFO/LAX turning at EWR and probably a spare.
The TLV departure can turn from any arrival and TLV arrival can turn to all flights except TLV. The rest can do turn arounds and this takes 6 units without spares.
I'm kind of surprised that UA would place the 78X on both low premium markets like BCN/DUB that have been flown by 772A high density aircraft and BRU, which has high premium traffic and some on these threads feel the low density 763 Polaris aircraft would be placed on BRU routes.
Based on schedules in each market a week prior to switch, here are the seat changes (assuming 772 is non-Polaris sUA units):
3/30 FRA, replaces 772, -4BF, +21PE, -68E+, +100Y = +49 Total
3/30 TLV, replaces 772, -4BF, +21PE, -68E+, +100Y = +49 Total
4/29 CDG, replaces 764 +5BF, +21PE, -35E+, +77Y = +78 Total
4/29 BCN, replaces 763, +14BF, +21PE, -1E+, +70Y = +104 Total
5/22 BRU, replaces 772, -4BF, +21PE, -68E+, +100Y = +49 Total
5/22 DUB, replaces 772A, +16BF, +21PE, -57E+, -26Y = -46 Total
Of course, this will release 3 772ERs, a couple 763s and in peak summer 2 772As for reassignment/expansion. Will we see more domestic or Hawaii service with the 772A? How about more TATL with 772ER/767s? It's all good!


In the summer of 2017 I believe EWR-DUB was flown utilizing a sCO 772ER, while 49BF seats was probably to much for the route the 217 coach seats wasn't enough which is why in 2018 UA utilized a domestic 77A on this route. However the 77A's do not offer a competitive product especially for an international route so even though the 77A's provided the right mix of BF seats to coach seats the onboard product is not good. As far as BCN goes that market is quite different from DUB in that there was and still is strong demand for BF seats in addition to the extremely strong demand for low yielding coach seats. The 26 BF seats on the 77A's in addition to not being competitive in this market also fell short of demand. I think the 78X is the perfect aircraft for this route because unlike DUB where 44 BF seats may be a bit much I think the 44 BF seats to BCN is just right for this market especially out of EWR and overall UA is only loosing 46 seats on this route in 2019 which may help bump up yields on this route. BRU is another unique market where UA during the summer really needs a larger aircraft because demand for both premium and economy seats is high. However UA is not going to commit a 77W to this route which leaves the 78X as the only aircraft that can meet our needs. While its regrettable that UA will loose 4 BF seats on this route during the summer season we also really need more seats in coach so if UA isn't going to place a 77W on this route our other choices are either a 78X or go daily double 763 because a single 772ER from EWR along with 772ER from IAD and ORD isn't enough capacity. Another solution could be for UA to start seasonal service to BRU from either IAH or SFO reducing the amount of connecting traffic flowing into EWR if demand continues to grow UA might go down this path perhaps summer of 2020 at the earliest.
 
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BRU is another unique market where UA during the summer really needs a larger aircraft because demand for both premium and economy seats is high. However UA is not going to commit a 77W to this route which leaves the 78X as the only aircraft that can meet our needs. While its regrettable that UA will loose 4 BF seats on this route during the summer season we also really need more seats in coach so if UA isn't going to place a 77W on this route our other choices are either a 78X or go daily double 763 because a single 772ER from EWR along with 772ER from IAD and ORD isn't enough capacity. Another solution could be for UA to start seasonal service to BRU from either IAH or SFO reducing the amount of connecting traffic flowing into EWR if demand continues to grow UA might go down this path perhaps summer of 2020 at the earliest.


UA was to operate a 2nd EWRBRU in S16 (772+763), but pulled it before it was due to start after the BRU airport bombings. Traffic has rebounded.
 
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:58 am

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763 Polaris Mod N654UA out for a test hop tomorrow and HNL the day after (if it has any luck).



this should be the last of the 3 class 767 in mod right?

No, one more. N660UA is still doing ORDLHR round trips. Must be only one mod line now, so waiting for 654 to exit.(?)


Ahh, so once they finish the PMUA 767 retrofit, do they start the retrofits on the PMCO 767?
 
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this should be the last of the 3 class 767 in mod right?

No, one more. N660UA is still doing ORDLHR round trips. Must be only one mod line now, so waiting for 654 to exit.(?)


Ahh, so once they finish the PMUA 767 retrofit, do they start the retrofits on the PMCO 767?

The only pmCO 76s are the -400s and I don’t know the schedule on those. I’m guessing after 660 is done they will start on the three exHA that are currently stored at GYR. After that there are still 14 2-class pmUA 763s

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