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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:54 am

77E:
N216UA scheduled to exit XMN with Polaris/PP 17 Dec
N228UA scheduled to enter XMN 17Dec for Polaris/PP mods
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:28 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Not sure, but here's the activity
763:
N643UA entered MCO 2740/7Dec, exited 2744/9Dec
N648UA entered MCO 2745/10Dec, exited 2741/11Dec
N649UA entered MCO 2742/12Dec, exited 2741/14Dec
N652UA entered MCO 2740/14Dec

N660UA sked to enter HKG 2788/16Dec for Polaris, last 3 class unit, finally!

N660UA shows arriving LHREWR in less than 30 min (UA883) Then in a few hours UA2767 EWRHNL, UA2788 HNLHKG.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:37 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
what's more shocking to me is United refusal up to now to allocate the 763 Polaris fleet to specific routes. Its literally a coin flip amongst all 763 routes. You would think they would allocate it to specific routes and market the premium product like crazy against competitors. Either put them on all the LHR routes and market to customers that all LHR routes are Polaris. Alternatively, put them in ORD and market ORD as all Polaris. There's 13 of them. Its not 1 or 2 anymore. That amazes me.

DL on the other hand is allocating very publicly and specifically its Delta Suites to routes as soon as frames are delivered or refurbished. Not a complicated thing.

In the 33 Years I was with United, they NEVER allocated certain airplanes to any route. We dedicated a fleet to a route then flew what was available within that fleet. Only the PS airplanes were allocated to a certain route as were the TED 737's. The PS airplanes did fly a few other routes on occasion but only when the needs of the airline prevailed over the desires of routing. Like flying the largest 777's to Hawaii over the Holidays and after the Holidays to clear out any Backlog


I think you mean TED A320s. United never used 737s for TED, only for United Shuttle
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:43 pm

iahcsr wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
Not sure, but here's the activity
763:
N643UA entered MCO 2740/7Dec, exited 2744/9Dec
N648UA entered MCO 2745/10Dec, exited 2741/11Dec
N649UA entered MCO 2742/12Dec, exited 2741/14Dec
N652UA entered MCO 2740/14Dec

N660UA sked to enter HKG 2788/16Dec for Polaris, last 3 class unit, finally!

N660UA shows arriving LHREWR in less than 30 min (UA883) Then in a few hours UA2767 EWRHNL, UA2788 HNLHKG.


It looks like it's scheduled for a 4pm departure, I might catch a glimpse since I will be passing on the Turnpike around that time.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:44 am

N660UA Is currently enroute to HNL.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:24 pm

UAinAUS wrote:
77E:
N216UA scheduled to exit XMN with Polaris/PP 17 Dec
N228UA scheduled to enter XMN 17Dec for Polaris/PP mods


In addition to the aircraft you mentioned I just checked today and:
N224UA scheduled to exit XMN with Polaris/PP 18 DEC
N217UA scheduled to enter XMN 18 Dec for Polaris/PP mods.

Two aircraft come out of modification and another two will take their place.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:11 pm

763: continuing 2 day visits
N652UA sked to exit MCO 2763/18Dec
N655UA entered MCO 2760/16Dec

764:
N67052 entered SAT 2765/1Dec, sked to exit 2762/16Dec
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:27 pm

One VERY interesting and unexpected update this cycle:

Fleet Addition:
N4868U - A pickup from AirCap/Shaheen Air, purchased rather than leased like some of the other 319s.  Per Planespotters it was delivered on 27-Nov and FlightAware still shows it at GYR.  Based on Planespotters data this aircraft is in addition to the China Southern and EasyJet 319s that are scheduled to come.  
All of the China Southern 319s appear to still be flying, except possibly B-6018 which has been in the shop for 2 weeks.  Unsure if this is for exit prep or routine maintenance.

319:
N848UA - Confirmed exit from MIA on 7-Dec
N805UA - Scheduled entry into DLH on 16-Dec/2183

73G:
N17719 - Confirmed entry in HOU on 13-Dec

763:
N676UA - SFO as of 7-Dec/2742

764:
N67052 - Confirmed exit from SAT on 16-Dec/2762

772:
N777UA - Entered SFO on 12-Dec, no scheduled exit date.  
N27015 - Entered SFO on 10-Dec, no scheduled exit date.  

77W:
N2748U - Any word why it has not entered service?  1 month is an awfully long time for induction work.

One additional thought to ponder.  Should we remove the 'sCO' vs. 'sUA' differentiation from the fleet site now that the FAs are integrated and purely focus on the fleet type codes?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:36 pm

On UA.com aircraft details there is still no updated seat maps for 78J, 77W Polaris/PE, 772 Polaris/PE. What's the hold up?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:01 pm

fun2fly wrote:
On UA.com aircraft details there is still no updated seat maps for 78J, 77W Polaris/PE, 772 Polaris/PE. What's the hold up?

My guess is delaying until we get closer to seats for purchase actually flying. I know some of these seat maps are in service, but they're still selling Premium Plus as Y+ until March.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:17 pm

cosyr wrote:
fun2fly wrote:
On UA.com aircraft details there is still no updated seat maps for 78J, 77W Polaris/PE, 772 Polaris/PE. What's the hold up?

My guess is delaying until we get closer to seats for purchase actually flying. I know some of these seat maps are in service, but they're still selling Premium Plus as Y+ until March.


That's my guess as well. FWIW, I did email 1KVoice about a month ago about getting the 77W PE seat map and a couple of others updated. In the past it has taken them ~6 weeks to roll out the changes. My guess is we see everything hit shortly after 1/1 when the 787-10 is closer to going into service.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:29 pm

I noticed that Premium Plus has been embroidered on the headrest in “Eras” - a different typeface than the one United uses for everything. Eras is a typeface that only comes in italics- I wonder why they chose a different typeface to embroider into the seat, and one used no place else!
Perhaps they did not want to use the Polaris typeface, except it’s used everywhere else too.
Not that the general population would notice or care!
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:48 pm

VC10er wrote:
I noticed that Premium Plus has been embroidered on the headrest in “Eras” - a different typeface than the one United uses for everything. Eras is a typeface that only comes in italics- I wonder why they chose a different typeface to embroider into the seat, and one used no place else!
Perhaps they did not want to use the Polaris typeface, except it’s used everywhere else too.
Not that the general population would notice or care!


Are you sure about that? UA's typeface for almost everything, FF Clan, has a nice set of italics, and I've seen it being used in a lot of UA's marketing recently. I couldn't find a picture of the Premium Plus headrest to compare.

https://www.fontshop.com/families/ff-clan
300 319 320 321 332 333 345 346 380 717 733 734 735 73G 738 739 744 752 753 762 763 772 77W 788 789 CR2 CR7 CR9 CRK Q400 E175 DC10 MD82 MD90
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:24 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Does anyone know what maintenance is going in on @MCO on the 763s? They all seem to be rotating through there for 24-48 hours at a time. 643/648/649/652 all in the last week.


It looks like they are there for inflight entertainment work.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:27 am

There appears to be at least one more former Shaheen Air A319 coming to United (AP-BNL) with the possible addition of several more 319s and some 320s.

AP-BNL is already at GYR and accordingly to Airfleets.net has been picked up by UA from AerCap.

Background Info:

Shaheen Air looks to have gone belly up so all of their aircraft look to be up for grabs. Looking at what is not already spoken for, the following aircraft are available:

A319-132s (3): AP-BNI/OE-IHF, AP-BNK/OE-IHG, AP-BNN/OE-IHJ.

--- AP-BNI/OE-IHF is already in GYR and could likely become UA in addition to AP-BNL and AP-BNM. The other two are currently located in Tarbes France.

A320-232s (7): AP-BLJ/OE-IHE, AP-BLK/OE-IHA, AP-BMC/OE-IHB, AP-BMD/OE-IHH, AP-BLM/OE-IHL, AP-BLH, and AP-BLI

All but two of the A320s fit into the age range that UA typically looks at for used aircraft. Two of the A320s are just over 20 years old so they may be older than UA is willing to pick up (AP-BLH and AP-BLI)

All of the A320s except AP-BLH and AP-BLI are also sitting in France.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:29 am

KVH68 wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Does anyone know what maintenance is going in on @MCO on the 763s? They all seem to be rotating through there for 24-48 hours at a time. 643/648/649/652 all in the last week.


It looks like they are there for inflight entertainment work.


Any word on if the 763s received the Wifi system upgrades yet? UA announced a while back there was going to be WAP and satellite system upgrades on all of the aircraft equipped with the Panasonic KU band equipment.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:58 am

GmoneyCO wrote:
KVH68 wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Does anyone know what maintenance is going in on @MCO on the 763s? They all seem to be rotating through there for 24-48 hours at a time. 643/648/649/652 all in the last week.


It looks like they are there for inflight entertainment work.


Any word on if the 763s received the Wifi system upgrades yet? UA announced a while back there was going to be WAP and satellite system upgrades on all of the aircraft equipped with the Panasonic KU band equipment.


Sorry, I don't have any information that.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:43 am

GmoneyCO wrote:
KVH68 wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Does anyone know what maintenance is going in on @MCO on the 763s? They all seem to be rotating through there for 24-48 hours at a time. 643/648/649/652 all in the last week.


It looks like they are there for inflight entertainment work.


Any word on if the 763s received the Wifi system upgrades yet? UA announced a while back there was going to be WAP and satellite system upgrades on all of the aircraft equipped with the Panasonic KU band equipment.


WiFi on the international fleet has really gotten bad in the last year. The access points seem to have enough connectivity for onboard streaming, but the internet access has been atrocious.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:13 pm

SFOtoORD wrote:
GmoneyCO wrote:
KVH68 wrote:

It looks like they are there for inflight entertainment work.


Any word on if the 763s received the Wifi system upgrades yet? UA announced a while back there was going to be WAP and satellite system upgrades on all of the aircraft equipped with the Panasonic KU band equipment.


WiFi on the international fleet has really gotten bad in the last year. The access points seem to have enough connectivity for onboard streaming, but the internet access has been atrocious.

I've wondered this since the beginning, when they first started installing WiFi streaming on the 747's, are their routers designed to actually accommodate 350+ people at once, or is it an educated guess as to how many people will actually connect a tablet at one time? When they were first introduced, you could certainly bet that less than the whole plane traveled with, or planned to use their own devices, but they must have thought about future proofing. At least with the 744, they had back up old fashioned monitors and screens. Do the 77A's have any kind of whole cabin screens from the ceilings? If not, it seems like that would have been a not very expensive compromise to adding the weight of seat back monitors to the whole plane, as opposed to nothing.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:29 pm

cosyr wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:
GmoneyCO wrote:

Any word on if the 763s received the Wifi system upgrades yet? UA announced a while back there was going to be WAP and satellite system upgrades on all of the aircraft equipped with the Panasonic KU band equipment.


WiFi on the international fleet has really gotten bad in the last year. The access points seem to have enough connectivity for onboard streaming, but the internet access has been atrocious.

I've wondered this since the beginning, when they first started installing WiFi streaming on the 747's, are their routers designed to actually accommodate 350+ people at once, or is it an educated guess as to how many people will actually connect a tablet at one time? When they were first introduced, you could certainly bet that less than the whole plane traveled with, or planned to use their own devices, but they must have thought about future proofing. At least with the 744, they had back up old fashioned monitors and screens. Do the 77A's have any kind of whole cabin screens from the ceilings? If not, it seems like that would have been a not very expensive compromise to adding the weight of seat back monitors to the whole plane, as opposed to nothing.


I sent an email to Oscar over a year ago about that and got a call letting me know the inflight WiFi access points were getting upgrades across the fleet. They apparently originally planned capacity at <1 connection per person and the average was >1 connection per person. I haven’t seen the issue of connecting to the wap in a long time but I do see satellite connectivity on pretty much every flight on sUA and 787 equipment. The Internet access on the directv planes seems more consistent.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:45 pm

SFOtoORD wrote:
cosyr wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:

WiFi on the international fleet has really gotten bad in the last year. The access points seem to have enough connectivity for onboard streaming, but the internet access has been atrocious.

I've wondered this since the beginning, when they first started installing WiFi streaming on the 747's, are their routers designed to actually accommodate 350+ people at once, or is it an educated guess as to how many people will actually connect a tablet at one time? When they were first introduced, you could certainly bet that less than the whole plane traveled with, or planned to use their own devices, but they must have thought about future proofing. At least with the 744, they had back up old fashioned monitors and screens. Do the 77A's have any kind of whole cabin screens from the ceilings? If not, it seems like that would have been a not very expensive compromise to adding the weight of seat back monitors to the whole plane, as opposed to nothing.


I sent an email to Oscar over a year ago about that and got a call letting me know the inflight WiFi access points were getting upgrades across the fleet. They apparently originally planned capacity at <1 connection per person and the average was >1 connection per person. I haven’t seen the issue of connecting to the wap in a long time but I do see satellite connectivity on pretty much every flight on sUA and 787 equipment. The Internet access on the directv planes seems more consistent.

Do you mean >1 connection per person of the course of the flight, or simultaneously? Simultaneously would surprise me, as I would expect the number of people who connect their phone and their laptop, would be more than offset by the number of people who read a book or sleep. Either way, that's interesting. It does not surprise me that the Directv planes have more consistent connections, as they are some of the more recent installs (so I assume upgraded equipment), and probably less demand, since some people will opt for the seat back TV and never try to connect a device.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:57 pm

cosyr wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:
cosyr wrote:
I've wondered this since the beginning, when they first started installing WiFi streaming on the 747's, are their routers designed to actually accommodate 350+ people at once, or is it an educated guess as to how many people will actually connect a tablet at one time? When they were first introduced, you could certainly bet that less than the whole plane traveled with, or planned to use their own devices, but they must have thought about future proofing. At least with the 744, they had back up old fashioned monitors and screens. Do the 77A's have any kind of whole cabin screens from the ceilings? If not, it seems like that would have been a not very expensive compromise to adding the weight of seat back monitors to the whole plane, as opposed to nothing.


I sent an email to Oscar over a year ago about that and got a call letting me know the inflight WiFi access points were getting upgrades across the fleet. They apparently originally planned capacity at <1 connection per person and the average was >1 connection per person. I haven’t seen the issue of connecting to the wap in a long time but I do see satellite connectivity on pretty much every flight on sUA and 787 equipment. The Internet access on the directv planes seems more consistent.

Do you mean >1 connection per person of the course of the flight, or simultaneously? Simultaneously would surprise me, as I would expect the number of people who connect their phone and their laptop, would be more than offset by the number of people who read a book or sleep. Either way, that's interesting. It does not surprise me that the Directv planes have more consistent connections, as they are some of the more recent installs (so I assume upgraded equipment), and probably less demand, since some people will opt for the seat back TV and never try to connect a device.


Simultaneously would be my bet. I routinely have two devices connected at the same time, though only one has internet access. I typically have my iPad connected and streaming a movie from the PDE selection, often it hangs from the seat in front of me and is where the DTV screen would be. I also have my laptop connected and is generally on the internet for work.

From what I recall, there were three separate issues, WAP capacity which I believe has been fixed on most of the KU fleet, the satellite connection controller which has been upgraded on any plane that received the WAP upgrades, and the KU satellites themselves. The KU band satellites themselves are overloaded. Panasonic has been working on multiple upgrades which are supposed to be completed in the first half of 2019 based on an article I read dated early October.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:28 pm

GmoneyCO wrote:
From what I recall, there were three separate issues, WAP capacity which I believe has been fixed on most of the KU fleet, the satellite connection controller which has been upgraded on any plane that received the WAP upgrades, and the KU satellites themselves. The KU band satellites themselves are overloaded. Panasonic has been working on multiple upgrades which are supposed to be completed in the first half of 2019 based on an article I read dated early October.

I'm sure that investment in some of this technology is cautious. People may expect connectivity everywhere they go nowadays, but GTE probably thought they were going to take the skies by storm in the 90's with seatback phones. How could people not jump at the opportunity to be connected to the ground for 6 hour flights? I know the comparison is not apples to apples, but the investment dollars are still huge.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:38 pm

cosyr wrote:
GmoneyCO wrote:
From what I recall, there were three separate issues, WAP capacity which I believe has been fixed on most of the KU fleet, the satellite connection controller which has been upgraded on any plane that received the WAP upgrades, and the KU satellites themselves. The KU band satellites themselves are overloaded. Panasonic has been working on multiple upgrades which are supposed to be completed in the first half of 2019 based on an article I read dated early October.

I'm sure that investment in some of this technology is cautious. People may expect connectivity everywhere they go nowadays, but GTE probably thought they were going to take the skies by storm in the 90's with seatback phones. How could people not jump at the opportunity to be connected to the ground for 6 hour flights? I know the comparison is not apples to apples, but the investment dollars are still huge.


United made the decision to offer the service and it seems like they got out over their skis. And yet they still send emails before every flight advertising the service. This technology is hard. Hopefully they get it sorted.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:17 pm

I've updated the Fleet site to reflect removal of sCO/sUA and replaced them with pmCO for a note on the fleet pages that have 3xxx fleet numbers.
On the 752 and 772 pages I show pmCO/pmUA for the different configurations of common types that have different configurations. (752, 772ER)
This page on the fleet site- https://sites.google.com/site/united...total-upgrades has more details of which PM airline the types came from.
Additionally, I just added another page/spreadsheet to the Site that outlines/tracks new deliveries. It's linked in my signature below. As with anything on the Fleet Site, I welcome improvements/suggestions.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:21 pm

SFOtoORD wrote:
cosyr wrote:
GmoneyCO wrote:
From what I recall, there were three separate issues, WAP capacity which I believe has been fixed on most of the KU fleet, the satellite connection controller which has been upgraded on any plane that received the WAP upgrades, and the KU satellites themselves. The KU band satellites themselves are overloaded. Panasonic has been working on multiple upgrades which are supposed to be completed in the first half of 2019 based on an article I read dated early October.

I'm sure that investment in some of this technology is cautious. People may expect connectivity everywhere they go nowadays, but GTE probably thought they were going to take the skies by storm in the 90's with seatback phones. How could people not jump at the opportunity to be connected to the ground for 6 hour flights? I know the comparison is not apples to apples, but the investment dollars are still huge.


United made the decision to offer the service and it seems like they got out over their skis. And yet they still send emails before every flight advertising the service. This technology is hard. Hopefully they get it sorted.


Perhaps you or someone else can help me understand the difference between PDE and actually connecting to the internet.

When I fly I completely disconnect from the internet (emails, work ect) but I will use UA's PDE. At the same time I have noticed more complaints from passengers trying to connect to the internet, when the connection isn't working or the connection is extremely slow. For a while things seemed to be going great I'm not sure what happened but my question is when passengers connectand use PDE are they connecting to the same router as passengers who are attempting to connect to the internet? Could the number of PDE users which I've notice has gone up quite a bit somehow be interfering or slowing down people who are trying to connect to the internet via WiFi? Also what would the solution be, should UA install more routers on aircraft, is the problem with the satellites because there are now so many WiFi equip aircraft do companies need to launch more satellites into space?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:47 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
I've updated the Fleet site to reflect removal of sCO/sUA and replaced them with pmCO for a note on the fleet pages that have 3xxx fleet numbers.
On the 752 and 772 pages I show pmCO/pmUA for the different configurations of common types that have different configurations. (752, 772ER)
This page on the fleet site- https://sites.google.com/site/united...total-upgrades has more details of which PM airline the types came from.
Additionally, I just added another page/spreadsheet to the Site that outlines/tracks new deliveries. It's linked in my signature below. As with anything on the Fleet Site, I welcome improvements/suggestions.


Thanks for all the hard work on the site for all of these years!
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:44 am

jayunited wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:
cosyr wrote:
I'm sure that investment in some of this technology is cautious. People may expect connectivity everywhere they go nowadays, but GTE probably thought they were going to take the skies by storm in the 90's with seatback phones. How could people not jump at the opportunity to be connected to the ground for 6 hour flights? I know the comparison is not apples to apples, but the investment dollars are still huge.


United made the decision to offer the service and it seems like they got out over their skis. And yet they still send emails before every flight advertising the service. This technology is hard. Hopefully they get it sorted.


Perhaps you or someone else can help me understand the difference between PDE and actually connecting to the internet.

When I fly I completely disconnect from the internet (emails, work ect) but I will use UA's PDE. At the same time I have noticed more complaints from passengers trying to connect to the internet, when the connection isn't working or the connection is extremely slow. For a while things seemed to be going great I'm not sure what happened but my question is when passengers connectand use PDE are they connecting to the same router as passengers who are attempting to connect to the internet? Could the number of PDE users which I've notice has gone up quite a bit somehow be interfering or slowing down people who are trying to connect to the internet via WiFi? Also what would the solution be, should UA install more routers on aircraft, is the problem with the satellites because there are now so many WiFi equip aircraft do companies need to launch more satellites into space?


The same wireless access points and routers serve both PDE and the satellite based internet. PDE being streaming video will naturally be more bandwidth intensive. Depending on what AP the user is connected to and how saturated the wireless access point controller is it, PDE traffic could slow down internet traffic assuming UA didn't implement QOS. The PDE content is stored on a server on the aircraft so it does not take up any satellite bandwidth. The solution to PDE traffic impacting internet traffic on the wireless access points is to install faster WAPs and controllers which UA has been doing on all of the aircraft that have the slower equipment that can't keep up.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:15 am

GmoneyCO wrote:
One VERY interesting and unexpected update this cycle:

Fleet Addition:
N4868U - A pickup from AirCap/Shaheen Air, purchased rather than leased like some of the other 319s.  Per Planespotters it was delivered on 27-Nov and FlightAware still shows it at GYR.  Based on Planespotters data this aircraft is in addition to the China Southern and EasyJet 319s that are scheduled to come.  
All of the China Southern 319s appear to still be flying, except possibly B-6018 which has been in the shop for 2 weeks.  Unsure if this is for exit prep or routine maintenance.



6018 is indeed preparing to come to United.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:12 am

A quick thank you to calpsafltskeds in particular and all on this thread for the updates on fleet upgrades.

I am just curious, with N79011 currently the first pmCO B772 in HKG for C check and Polaris mod, is the intent to standardize the cabins for the pmCO and pmUA B772 international fleets? Is this aircraft due to come out in the same 50J/24PE/46E+/156Y seat count (per the fleet site reference for completed pmUA Polaris/PE aircraft).

If the intent is to ultimately standardize on two sub-fleets in terms of seat count (a) Domestic and (b) International, what are the final configs due to be? I appreciate monuments may differ between the pmCO and pmUA configs.

Are they as follows?

Domestic - 28J/102E+/234Y
International - 50J/24PE/46E+/156Y

Thanks in advance.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:06 am

EIDAA wrote:
A quick thank you to calpsafltskeds in particular and all on this thread for the updates on fleet upgrades.

I am just curious, with N79011 currently the first pmCO B772 in HKG for C check and Polaris mod, is the intent to standardize the cabins for the pmCO and pmUA B772 international fleets? Is this aircraft due to come out in the same 50J/24PE/46E+/156Y seat count (per the fleet site reference for completed pmUA Polaris/PE aircraft).

If the intent is to ultimately standardize on two sub-fleets in terms of seat count (a) Domestic and (b) International, what are the final configs due to be? I appreciate monuments may differ between the pmCO and pmUA configs.

Are they as follows?

Domestic - 28J/102E+/234Y
International - 50J/24PE/46E+/156Y

Thanks in advance.


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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:42 am

fun2fly wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
I've updated the Fleet site to reflect removal of sCO/sUA and replaced them with pmCO for a note on the fleet pages that have 3xxx fleet numbers.
On the 752 and 772 pages I show pmCO/pmUA for the different configurations of common types that have different configurations. (752, 772ER)
This page on the fleet site- https://sites.google.com/site/united...total-upgrades has more details of which PM airline the types came from.
Additionally, I just added another page/spreadsheet to the Site that outlines/tracks new deliveries. It's linked in my signature below. As with anything on the Fleet Site, I welcome improvements/suggestions.


Thanks for all the hard work on the site for all of these years!

Double ditto on the Thanks.... Keeping it all updated has to be quite the challenge. :bigthumbsup: :bigthumbsup:
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:53 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
I've updated the Fleet site to reflect removal of sCO/sUA and replaced them with pmCO for a note on the fleet pages that have 3xxx fleet numbers.
On the 752 and 772 pages I show pmCO/pmUA for the different configurations of common types that have different configurations. (752, 772ER)
This page on the fleet site- https://sites.google.com/site/united...total-upgrades has more details of which PM airline the types came from.
Additionally, I just added another page/spreadsheet to the Site that outlines/tracks new deliveries. It's linked in my signature below. As with anything on the Fleet Site, I welcome improvements/suggestions.

This is what I’m getting when I click Fleet Deliveries:
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:56 pm

Sorry about that - I hadn't made the spreasheet visible to the Public - it's fixed.

753:
N75853 sked to exit MIA 2752/18Dec with slimlines
N57853 sked to enter MIA 2750/18Dec for slimlines
N57862/MIA and N57870/SAT should exit soon with slimlines, then the last non-slimlines should enter mod - N57852 and N74856

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:34 pm

A couple non-events .. one 39M and one 78J are ‘supposed’ to deliver before end of month/year. N37510 hasn’t even had a B1 yet and N12003 seems just waiting on C1. IIRC Boeing shuts down for the holidays so not much time left. Granted plans are always subject to change, so it’s no big deal, but does seem a bit odd.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:40 pm

iahcsr wrote:
A couple non-events .. one 39M and one 78J are ‘supposed’ to deliver before end of month/year. N37510 hasn’t even had a B1 yet and N12003 seems just waiting on C1. IIRC Boeing shuts down for the holidays so not much time left. Granted plans are always subject to change, so it’s no big deal, but does seem a bit odd.


It's a huge deal for Boeing if they are trying to get their qtr or year end numbers met...that's a lot of cash!!!
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:16 pm

UAX Update:

CR2:
N862AS (2001 build) has joined the ExpressJet fleet as UAX (globe)

ER4:
N836HK has rejoined the TransStates floater fleet in House livery
N832HK has rejoined the TransStates floater fleet in House livery
N845HK has rejoined the TransStates UAX fleet in Globe livery

ExpressJet has been purchased by United Airlines JV. As part of this deal, ExpressJet will be awarded the 25 new E175SC’s to be delivered in 2019 (configuration 12F/28Y+/30Y).
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:56 pm

If you look at the 787 Google spreadsheet, they show LN 548 as a rework and UA's 41st 787, which would be N12204 if received in numerical order. That spreadsheet shows a Delivery date of yesterday. Not sure if it s accurate, but UA says it will deliver 9 78X units by April 2019 and looking at spreadsheet shows that the reworked unit LN 548 would have to be one of those units as no other units are on the near horizon. Could it be LN 548 will deliver as N12004 before the end of the year and before N12003?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=2
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:09 am

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ExpressJet has been purchased by United Airlines JV. As part of this deal, ExpressJet will be awarded the 25 new E175SC’s to be delivered in 2019 (configuration 12F/28Y+/30Y).


Probably good news for EV. They couldn't have done that when there was still a chance I'd get to work one of the planes? :duck:
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:42 am

UAinAUS wrote:
UAX Update:

CR2:
N862AS (2001 build) has joined the ExpressJet fleet as UAX (globe)

ER4:
N836HK has rejoined the TransStates floater fleet in House livery
N832HK has rejoined the TransStates floater fleet in House livery
N845HK has rejoined the TransStates UAX fleet in Globe livery

ExpressJet has been purchased by United Airlines JV. As part of this deal, ExpressJet will be awarded the 25 new E175SC’s to be delivered in 2019 (configuration 12F/28Y+/30Y).



Basically coming full circle since Express Jet started off as COEX a wholly owned subsidiary of CO
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:45 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
If you look at the 787 Google spreadsheet, they show LN 548 as a rework and UA's 41st 787, which would be N12204 if received in numerical order. That spreadsheet shows a Delivery date of yesterday. Not sure if it s accurate, but UA says it will deliver 9 78X units by April 2019 and looking at spreadsheet shows that the reworked unit LN 548 would have to be one of those units as no other units are on the near horizon. Could it be LN 548 will deliver as N12004 before the end of the year and before N12003?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=2

No chance that LN 548 gets delivered this year. It will need a couple of weeks (most likely in San Antonio) to get the paint/primer removed and then repainted in UA livery followed by customer acceptance flights.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:07 am

I'm sure that there are plenty of cheap deals to be had with CR2's, but UA (through partners) has so many parked ERJ's. Why are they so eager to bring in used CR2's, rather than bringing back ERJ's for that 50 seat capacity? I could be wrong, but it seems like some of these have to be older frames.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:19 am

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I'm sure that there are plenty of cheap deals to be had with CR2's, but UA (through partners) has so many parked ERJ's. Why are they so eager to bring in used CR2's, rather than bringing back ERJ's for that 50 seat capacity? I could be wrong, but it seems like some of these have to be older frames.


In the case of EV it's probably pilot availability and acquisition cost. Is it cheaper to pick up and refurbish an ERJ plus retrain the ex-ASA pilot to be ERJ qualified, or to bring a CRJ back online that's been active,but with another operator?

EV has shed a lot of ERJs, but a big chunk are now at AX and C5... and the ones that aren't have actually been sitting, where most of the CRJs they shed went over to OO to fly for DL or AA for awhile.

The only other major CRJ addition UA has made was Air Wisconsin, and that was a matter of them bringing the fleet they have (and desperately need to replace) as it came off contract with AA.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:28 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
If you look at the 787 Google spreadsheet, they show LN 548 as a rework and UA's 41st 787, which would be N12204 if received in numerical order. That spreadsheet shows a Delivery date of yesterday. Not sure if it s accurate, but UA says it will deliver 9 78X units by April 2019 and looking at spreadsheet shows that the reworked unit LN 548 would have to be one of those units as no other units are on the near horizon. Could it be LN 548 will deliver as N12004 before the end of the year and before N12003?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=2

No chance that LN 548 gets delivered this year. It will need a couple of weeks (most likely in San Antonio) to get the paint/primer removed and then repainted in UA livery followed by customer acceptance flights.

That spreadsheet only gets updated every ten days or so. Info showing now is over a week old. I’ve been watching for activity from 548 for awhile now, both as N548ZC or N12004, seems not to have flown in quite some time. I should think N12003 to have C1 in the next couple days if it’s going to deliver this year.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:36 am

UAinAUS wrote:
UAX Update:

CR2:
N862AS (2001 build) has joined the ExpressJet fleet as UAX (globe)

ER4:
N836HK has rejoined the TransStates floater fleet in House livery
N832HK has rejoined the TransStates floater fleet in House livery
N845HK has rejoined the TransStates UAX fleet in Globe livery

ExpressJet has been purchased by United Airlines JV. As part of this deal, ExpressJet will be awarded the 25 new E175SC’s to be delivered in 2019 (configuration 12F/28Y+/30Y).


From United Daily News 18Dec

Also announced today was the sale of ExpressJet from SkyWest, Inc. to ManaAir, LLC, in which United will take a minority interest. The award of the E175 aircraft is contingent on close of the sale of ExpressJet to ManaAir, LLC. This does not change any long-term plans for our other 50-seat operators.

“In our efforts to run a safe, caring, dependable and efficient operation for our customers and build on our record-breaking success in 2018, we’re excited about expanding our flying partnership with ExpressJet,” said United Express Senior Vice President Tracy Lee. “This move will help us further streamline and improve our United Express service for our customers, employees and everyone we serve.”

UA will own 49% of EV. I’ve heard the 175s will be based at ORD. Going to be great legroom on those.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:13 pm

753:
N57852 sked to enter MIA 2762/19Dec for slimline seats, DirecTV removal
N57862 sked to exit MIA 2760/19Dec with slimline seats.

772:
N212UA sked to exit HKG maint 2776/20Dec
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:32 pm

iahcsr wrote:
A couple non-events .. one 39M and one 78J are ‘supposed’ to deliver before end of month/year. N37510 hasn’t even had a B1 yet and N12003 seems just waiting on C1. IIRC Boeing shuts down for the holidays so not much time left. Granted plans are always subject to change, so it’s no big deal, but does seem a bit odd.


I don't know how much the military side of Boeing could or does affect the commercial side but, according to the KC-46 thread, there is some rampant speculation that Boeing is rushing to deliver the first operational units to the Air Force by the end of the week. It's possible all other deliveries have been put on hold while everyone focuses on the tankers.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:57 pm

787 photo shoot at LAX -8, -9 and -10

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:32 pm

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787 photo shoot at LAX -8, -9 and -10

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Very cool! :bigthumbsup:
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:39 pm

Runway28L wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
787 photo shoot at LAX -8, -9 and -10

Image

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Duya0SQUcAEBdhi.jpg:large

Very cool! :bigthumbsup:


Great pic. Always wanted to see the same with the 762, 763 and 764 for the brief time they were all in the fleet together.

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