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Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:54 am

MSN 169 (CX#25) sporting its final regs (B-LXB). Delivery imminent
MSN 172 (QR#31) new engine run and taxi test
 
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:47 pm

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What is with all the engine changes — is there an issue here?m

You only need to scroll up to reply #168 to find the answer.


CA isn't QR.
 
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MSN 163 (QR#29) was moved to the delivery centre this morning
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:07 am

And so the delivery target for this year is 105, and since the program is expected to start generating a positive cash flow sometime this year, 120 frames for 2019 all generating a positive cash flow should be good news for Airbus.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:29 am

And KLM delays its first A359 to 2021.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... eries-2021

Along with the rumored EY's deferments/cancellations, Airbus has some early slots to fill.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:36 am

Hong Kong Airlines A359 MSN235 returning from test flight

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Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:58 pm

Eyad89 wrote:
And so the delivery target for this year is 105, and since the program is expected to start generating a positive cash flow sometime this year, 120 frames for 2019 all generating a positive cash flow should be good news for Airbus.


Airbus current target is Rate10 which equates to 110 per year as they count a year as 11 business months.

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Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:11 pm

MSN 98 (HU/JD) new engine run
MSN 220 (SQ#22) out on another test flight #AIB04FZ
MSN 223 (SQ#23) out on a second test flight #AIB02HE
MSN 236 (PR#3) out on a second test flight #AIB02HH
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:08 pm

Eyad89 wrote:
And KLM delays its first A359 to 2021.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... eries-2021

Along with the rumored EY's deferments/cancellations, Airbus has some early slots to fill.


The way I read it is that the AirFrance-KLM group is just shuffeling planes within their group instead of delaying the planes at Airbus. So instead of KLM taking deliverie in 2019 they will go to Joon.

I could be wrong though because the article isn’t very clear on that.
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:36 pm

Morvious wrote:
Eyad89 wrote:
And KLM delays its first A359 to 2021.
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... eries-2021
Along with the rumored EY's deferments/cancellations, Airbus has some early slots to fill.

The way I read it is that the AirFrance-KLM group is just shuffeling planes within their group instead of delaying the planes at Airbus. So instead of KLM taking deliverie in 2019 they will go to Joon.
I could be wrong though because the article isn’t very clear on that.

That is correct. Nothing in the H1-2018 financial report by AF-KLM hints towards the Group delaying deliveries.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:05 am

MSN 110 (QR#30) active at the delivery centre this morning
MSN 178 (CA#2) sporting its final regs (B-1085). Delivery imminent
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:08 am

Rear fuselage for Virgin Atlantic's first A350-1000

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Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:12 am

Hey Folks
Is anybody aware about the technical figures from the 942 Version for JAL ? I mean such as MTOW, Engine thrust/type, Range etc.
Couldn't find anything under https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/defaul ... -07-09.pdf
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:35 am

Any regs or names allocated to VS's 350's yet ?
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:38 am

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Rear fuselage for Virgin Atlantic's first A350-1000

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https://twitter.com/Tobias_Gudat/status ... 3092691968


Will they get this before 071?
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:28 pm

Air China #2 flying home today

Airbus A350 -941 178 B-1085 Air China delivery 30aug18 TLS-TSN ex F-WZGZ
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:23 pm

MSN 178 (CA#2) on delivery flight. #49 of 2018. #3 in August
MSN 240 (CA#5) RTO. First flight scheduled for Friday
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:19 pm

The third A35K for Cathay Pacific was delivered today:

Airbus A350-1041 169 B-LXB Cathay Pacific delivery 31 Aug18 TLS-HKG ex F-WZGW
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:09 pm

The fifth A350 for Hong Kong Airlines was delivered today. #5 in August...#51 in 2018.

Airbus A350-941 235 B-LGE Hong Kong Airlines delivery 31 Aug18 TLS-HKG ex F-WZHJ
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:50 pm

How many 1000’s delivered so far? Who’s getting one next?
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:03 pm

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How many 1000’s delivered so far? Who’s getting one next?

Two to QR... A7-ANA and A7-ANB
Three to CX...B-LXA, B-LXB and B-LXC
I don't have as much insider information as others on here, but possibly A7-ANC for QR will be next.
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:22 pm

audidudi wrote:
MileHFL400 wrote:
How many 1000’s delivered so far? Who’s getting one next?

Two to QR... A7-ANA and A7-ANB
Three to CX...B-LXA, B-LXB and B-LXC
I don't have as much insider information as others on here, but possibly A7-ANC for QR will be next.


Still no autoland capability in the EASA documents.
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:11 pm

patschinger wrote:
Hey Folks
Is anybody aware about the technical figures from the 942 Version for JAL ? I mean such as MTOW, Engine thrust/type, Range etc.
Couldn't find anything under https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/defaul ... -07-09.pdf


From what i heard it will be a 210t MTOW and max flight cycles multiplied by 3.
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:44 pm

IB A350 number 3 is in production......
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:52 pm

LaunchDetected wrote:
patschinger wrote:
Hey Folks
Is anybody aware about the technical figures from the 942 Version for JAL ? I mean such as MTOW, Engine thrust/type, Range etc.
Couldn't find anything under https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/defaul ... -07-09.pdf


From what i heard it will be a 210t MTOW and max flight cycles multiplied by 3.


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Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:59 pm

audidudi wrote:
The fifth A350 for Hong Kong Airlines was delivered today. #5 in August...#51 in 2018.

Airbus A350-941 235 B-LGE Hong Kong Airlines delivery 31 Aug18 TLS-HKG ex F-WZHJ


Isn’t it their first delivered?
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:34 pm

MSN 98 (HU/JD) RTO. First flight scheduled for Monday
MSN 169 (CX#25) on its way home. Delivery #50 of 2018. #4 in August
MSN 217 (CA#3) customer acceptance engine run
MSN 226 (HU/GS) exited paint hangar and returned to the flightline (no pictures yet so not sure which livery its in)
MSN 235 (HX#5) on its way home. Delivery #51 of 2018. #5 in August
MSN 240 (CA#5) new RTO. First flight now scheduled for Monday
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:52 pm

LaunchDetected wrote:
patschinger wrote:
Hey Folks
Is anybody aware about the technical figures from the 942 Version for JAL ? I mean such as MTOW, Engine thrust/type, Range etc.
Couldn't find anything under https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/defaul ... -07-09.pdf


From what i heard it will be a 210t MTOW and max flight cycles multiplied by 3.


the last digit in the airbus code usually signifies engine difference and usually higher number means higher thrust though not always

are the SQ regional A359s going to be certified for increased cycles too? Original order reports suggest only down grade to 250K MTOW
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 18-447149/
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:00 pm

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Are the SQ regional A359s going to be certified for increased cycles too? Original order reports suggest only down grade to 250K MTOW


In 2013 when discussing the type, Leahy did say that in addition to lower Operating Weights and de-rated engine thrust, the A350-900 Regional would have a higher flight-cycle limit to reflect being used on shorter stage lengths allowing more turns per day. However he did not give any hints on to what that cycle-limit would be.
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:16 pm

I have a small question about that, what's the point of reducing the MTOW? If it's a maximum number.
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:23 pm

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I have a small question about that, what's the point of reducing the MTOW? If it's a maximum number.


Lower airport charges.
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:33 pm

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I have a small question about that, what's the point of reducing the MTOW? If it's a maximum number.


Airport and Navigation fees are calculated at least in part based on the listed Operating Weights of the frame, so by de-rating them to lower values, and airline can save money on those fees.
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:38 am

Cathay Pacific third A350-1000 departing TLS on delivery to HKG

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Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:07 pm

Someone83 wrote:
audidudi wrote:
The fifth A350 for Hong Kong Airlines was delivered today. #5 in August...#51 in 2018.

Airbus A350-941 235 B-LGE Hong Kong Airlines delivery 31 Aug18 TLS-HKG ex F-WZHJ


Isn’t it their first delivered?


No, this is their 5th. Perhaps you are thinking of Hainan Airlines?
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:23 pm

Stitch wrote:
LaunchDetected wrote:
I have a small question about that, what's the point of reducing the MTOW? If it's a maximum number.


Airport and Navigation fees are calculated at least in part based on the listed Operating Weights of the frame, so by de-rating them to lower values, and airline can save money on those fees.


If lower MTOW means that a frame can fly 3x more cycles, as suggested re JAL above, due presumably to less wear and tear from lighter take-offs, that is a huge gain.

Worth a large airline keeping a separate sub-fleet limited to the lower weight.
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:29 pm

I know of some airlines that simply change the official MTOW of an aircraft depending on the sector. A placard is kept in the cockpit which states the aircraft MTOW. For certain sectors it is changed and the aircraft is now magically recertified to a lower MTOW.

It's a way to pay lower airport fees in this case.

And yes increasing weights may require other expenses that one may not immediately realise, such as required extra maintainance, checks etc. There's also a question of the upfront cost, the manufacturers may charge a price for higher weight options. It's a matter of the airline deciding whether they really need that extra weight for their operation or not
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If lower MTOW means that a frame can fly 3x more cycles, as suggested re JAL above, due presumably to less wear and tear from lighter take-offs, that is a huge gain.


Yes, lower TOWs and LWs will help with the wear and tear, though I fully expect Airbus and suppliers will be performing strengthening of the fuselage, wings and landing gear to allow for higher cycle limits, just as Boeing did with the specialized domestic models of the 747 they developed for ANA and JAL.
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:35 am

Thank you for your answers. Reducing the MTOW from 280 to 210 will have a great impact on the economics.

FYI, the A359 "JAL Domestic" Design Service Goal (DSG) would be around 35.000 FC (to be confirmed though).

Entry in service is scheduled in June 2019 with MSN 321 so we have to wait for more detailed informations about this very interesting version.
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:33 am

Stitch wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
If lower MTOW means that a frame can fly 3x more cycles, as suggested re JAL above, due presumably to less wear and tear from lighter take-offs, that is a huge gain.


Yes, lower TOWs and LWs will help with the wear and tear, though I fully expect Airbus and suppliers will be performing strengthening of the fuselage, wings and landing gear to allow for higher cycle limits, just as Boeing did with the specialized domestic models of the 747 they developed for ANA and JAL.



Could this strengthening work have wider application, such as the higher weight required for the Qantas Project Sunrise?
 
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When will the first JAL A350 enter final assembly/ paint?
 
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MSN 163 (QR#29) preparing to depart on its first CAF #AIB05GF
MSN 172 (QR#31) new RTO (could be change of engines)
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:08 am

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When will the first JAL A350 enter final assembly/ paint?


Entry in service June 2019 with MSN 321 so let's say April 2019.
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:55 am

Stitch wrote:
In 2013 when discussing the type, Leahy did say that in addition to lower Operating Weights and de-rated engine thrust, the A350-900 Regional would have a higher flight-cycle limit to reflect being used on shorter stage lengths allowing more turns per day.

And engine de-rate translates to lower PBTH costs.
 
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I know of some airlines that simply change the official MTOW of an aircraft depending on the sector. A placard is kept in the cockpit which states the aircraft MTOW. For certain sectors it is changed and the aircraft is now magically recertified to a lower MTOW.

It's a way to pay lower airport fees in this case.

And yes increasing weights may require other expenses that one may not immediately realise, such as required extra maintainance, checks etc. There's also a question of the upfront cost, the manufacturers may charge a price for higher weight options. It's a matter of the airline deciding whether they really need that extra weight for their operation or not

Do higher cycle costs outweigh higher weight costs over the lifetime of the frame or vice versa? I guess it depends on lots of variables but overall can one say its usually less one way or other?
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:01 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
Could this strengthening work have wider application, such as the higher weight required for the Qantas Project Sunrise?


You are likely looking at different areas for an overall Operating Weight increase compared to a Cycle Limit increase. The goal for a short-range modification is to make the frame stronger specifically in the areas that are stressed during take-offs and landings and eliminating empty weight structure. It will be interesting to see if the domestic birds have winglets, for example, since they are unnecessary for short-haul and they add weight (the 747-400D omitted them for these reasons, though they could be added back when necessary for longer missions).


trex8 wrote:
Do higher cycle costs outweigh higher weight costs over the lifetime of the frame or vice versa? I guess it depends on lots of variables but overall can one say its usually less one way or other?


A domestic frame could end up being lighter than standard, both due to cabin configuration (lighter premium cabin seating and significantly more Economy seats as a percentage of total) and lightening of certain structural elements. In the end, I guess it depends on whether JAL wants these frames solely for domestic and short-haul international use (Guam and Saipan, for example) or if they want the ability to use them on longer missions, as well (like charters to Hawaii).
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:22 pm

MSN 98 (HU/JD) first flight #AIB01FR
MSN 172 (QR#31) second test flight #AIB02DW (new engines i believe)
MSN 206 (CX#26) initial engine run
MSN 226 (HU/GS) new engine run (post painting)
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:12 pm

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It will be interesting to see if the domestic birds have winglets, for example

Would certainly be cool/interesting to see what an A350 sans winglets looks like... especially an A35K.
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:29 pm

Any movement on MSNs 52 and 55?
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:32 pm

I suspect that there are few if any changes beyond a paper MTOW reduction and lower max thrust. Easier then to swap "domestic" and international aircraft at heavy check times to even out the hours/cycles across the fleet. I imagine the major cabin monuments will be located so as to facilitate the interior switchover.
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:51 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Stitch wrote:
It will be interesting to see if the domestic birds have winglets, for example

Would certainly be cool/interesting to see what an A350 sans winglets looks like... especially an A35K.



Yep! I`m of the opinion either A350 would look better without winglets, but then I`m not a fan of any winglet,
I think the B787 wing looks spot-on.

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