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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:13 pm
by chrisnh
On October 13 I am scheduled to fly from Fort Myers to Manchester on DL. My booking was RSW-LGA-MHT. But I have discovered that they've switched me to RSW-ATL-MHT, and the ATL-MHT leg is shown as a 737-700. But I'm hearing from someone on our FB spotters page that it may actually end up being a 737-800. I'll be interested to see what it ends up being!

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:53 pm
by tomaheath
chrisnh wrote:
On October 13 I am scheduled to fly from Fort Myers to Manchester on DL. My booking was RSW-LGA-MHT. But I have discovered that they've switched me to RSW-ATL-MHT, and the ATL-MHT leg is shown as a 737-700. But I'm hearing from someone on our FB spotters page that it may actually end up being a 737-800. I'll be interested to see what it ends up being!

I was just talking to a person today that’s works for DL in Manchester. Airbus starts tonight then goes to a 737 in a few weeks the 717 starts soon on the overnight DTW flight.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:33 pm
by Fex180
Unofficial numbers for PWM show June pax numbers up 19% and July up 20%, mostly due to F9. PWM handled almost 250K passengers in July

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 1:49 pm
by Fex180
Unofficial numbers for PWM show June pax numbers up 19% and July up 20%, mostly due to F9. PWM handled almost 250K passengers in July

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 1:49 pm
by Fex180
Unofficial numbers for PWM show June pax numbers up 19% from 2017 and July up 20%, mostly due to F9. PWM handled almost 250K passengers in July

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:32 pm
by Portlander
Thanks, not sure where you are finding these stats but can you share PWM's enplanements for the year through July 31? The Jetport handled 925,000 for CY 2017 and with the increased numbers I would assume it will break it's record and easily surpass 1 million.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:44 pm
by Fex180
Portlander wrote:
Thanks, not sure where you are finding these stats but can you share PWM's enplanements for the year through July 31? The Jetport handled 925,000 for CY 2017 and with the increased numbers I would assume it will break it's record and easily surpass 1 million.


From a PPH article about parking issues at the Jetport

https://www.pressherald.com/2018/08/24/ ... d-jetport/

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:47 pm
by Portlander
Saw the article when it came out, wish it would have given some year to date numbers instead of percentages.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:19 am
by spinkid
Anyone think Chicopee/Westover service will ever return. The terminal is still there after the departure of Skybus which (hard to believe) was 10 years ago.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:35 am
by cheapgreek
spinkid wrote:
Anyone think Chicopee/Westover service will ever return. The terminal is still there after the departure of Skybus which (hard to believe) was 10 years ago.


Some years ago there was talk of the airport becoming a commercial airport. Nothing more was said. It would be a good airport for the large catchment area that Springfield provides and carriers like Allegiant and Frontier could do well with perhaps some flights by the majors to PHL,DTW,etc. Adding CEF would give Massachusetts travelers good coverage for all of the state, BOS,ORH and KEF. Massport could make it happen.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:00 am
by spinkid
cheapgreek wrote:
spinkid wrote:
Anyone think Chicopee/Westover service will ever return. The terminal is still there after the departure of Skybus which (hard to believe) was 10 years ago.


Some years ago there was talk of the airport becoming a commercial airport. Nothing more was said. It would be a good airport for the large catchment area that Springfield provides and carriers like Allegiant and Frontier could do well with perhaps some flights by the majors to PHL,DTW,etc. Adding CEF would give Massachusetts travelers good coverage for all of the state, BOS,ORH and KEF. Massport could make it happen.


I tend to agree. What is the traffic situation like heading through Springfield?

I know the reason myself, and many others in Western CT avoid Bradley is because the traffic passing through Waterbury and Hartford is bad at rush hour and expanding to more hours of the day. It makes HPN and SWF much more appealing, or LGA for more non stop options.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:10 am
by spinkid
Thinking about it. It would be great if there were a commercial airport around Meriden or Middletown. somewhere between 691 and route 8.

Perhaps we can turn Waterbury-Oxford Municipal into a part 139 airport and lure Allegiant. lol

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:32 pm
by tomaheath
With UA ORD flight from MHT axed (hopefully not for too long) why would WN go less than daily to MDW? I would of thought the Southwest would of seen a opportunity to add a flight or larger aircraft but they did the complete opposite by reducing flight and no flight at all on Sundays.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:05 am
by lat41
tomaheath wrote:
With UA ORD flight from MHT axed (hopefully not for too long) why would WN go less than daily to MDW? I would of thought the Southwest would of seen a opportunity to add a flight or larger aircraft but they did the complete opposite by reducing flight and no flight at all on Sundays.

I call it the Southwest "Western wall". In an effort to bolster travel in that direction from BOS where competition is hammering them, WN makes the fares high and available seats low from Manchester to the North and Providence to the South. To me, their idea is "if you like us at your city, you"ll follow us to BOS to travel West". Pinching off the seats and jacking up the fares to cities out West from MHT and PVD is Southwest's method. Where there is a choice, however, passengers find an alternate carrier or route from their home city instead. Hopefuly, in MHT, the choices will broaden so leisure and business travelers can do just that in time. Having PWN not too far away is not helping right now.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:42 am
by tomaheath
lat41 wrote:
tomaheath wrote:
With UA ORD flight from MHT axed (hopefully not for too long) why would WN go less than daily to MDW? I would of thought the Southwest would of seen a opportunity to add a flight or larger aircraft but they did the complete opposite by reducing flight and no flight at all on Sundays.

I call it the Southwest "Western wall". In an effort to bolster travel in that direction from BOS where competition is hammering them, WN makes the fares high and available seats low from Manchester to the North and Providence to the South. To me, their idea is "if you like us at your city, you"ll follow us to BOS to travel West". Pinching off the seats and jacking up the fares to cities out West from MHT and PVD is Southwest's method. Where there is a choice, however, passengers find an alternate carrier or route from their home city instead. Hopefuly, in MHT, the choices will broaden so leisure and business travelers can do just that in time. Having PWN not too far away is not helping right now.

Thanks for your reply and information. You brought up a good point about price. I’m headed to LAS in a couple of weeks. While looking up flights WN was higher priced than UA DL and AA their prices seem to vary so much from day to day where the others seemed a little more consistent. I ended up choosing AA through Philly but ways on E190s and A321s.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:25 pm
by airbazar
Not surprised. One of the reasons I hardly ever fly WN is because their prices are always so much more expensive than everyone else. And on top of that I can't reserve a seat. I see no redeeming qualities for WN from either MHT or BOS, which are the only 2 airports I'd fly out of. Maybe they are more competitive in otehr parts of the country but around here it's hard to see how they can stay in business. I guess when you charge double the price you don't have to fly with high load factors.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:50 pm
by Fex180
airbazar wrote:
Not surprised. One of the reasons I hardly ever fly WN is because their prices are always so much more expensive than everyone else. And on top of that I can't reserve a seat. I see no redeeming qualities for WN from either MHT or BOS, which are the only 2 airports I'd fly out of. Maybe they are more competitive in otehr parts of the country but around here it's hard to see how they can stay in business. I guess when you charge double the price you don't have to fly with high load factors.


Almost seems like WN is getting ready for a larger scale down of operations at MHT. I could easily see MHT being reduced to a similar level of WN service as PWM. 3-4x daily to BWI and maybe 1x daily or Saturday service to MDW or MCO.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:01 pm
by LotsaRunway
Fex180 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
Not surprised. One of the reasons I hardly ever fly WN is because their prices are always so much more expensive than everyone else. And on top of that I can't reserve a seat. I see no redeeming qualities for WN from either MHT or BOS, which are the only 2 airports I'd fly out of. Maybe they are more competitive in otehr parts of the country but around here it's hard to see how they can stay in business. I guess when you charge double the price you don't have to fly with high load factors.


Almost seems like WN is getting ready for a larger scale down of operations at MHT. I could easily see MHT being reduced to a similar level of WN service as PWM. 3-4x daily to BWI and maybe 1x daily or Saturday service to MDW or MCO.

What is your basis for being able to see this? Are loads and yields suffering to the point that WN would want to shift more operations into a highly competitive BOS where they are not doing all that well? I'm not being snarky. I just want to know if you have supporting information that I haven't seen.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:46 pm
by tomaheath
A local Manchester New station contacted WN. WN mentioned that they were happy for Manchester and that cargo was up 60%.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:27 pm
by wnflyguy
Fex180 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
Not surprised. One of the reasons I hardly ever fly WN is because their prices are always so much more expensive than everyone else. And on top of that I can't reserve a seat. I see no redeeming qualities for WN from either MHT or BOS, which are the only 2 airports I'd fly out of. Maybe they are more competitive in otehr parts of the country but around here it's hard to see how they can stay in business. I guess when you charge double the price you don't have to fly with high load factors.


Almost seems like WN is getting ready for a larger scale down of operations at MHT. I could easily see MHT being reduced to a similar level of WN service as PWM. 3-4x daily to BWI and maybe 1x daily or Saturday service to MDW or MCO.


MHT is making money for WN.
MHT in addition to service levels drop with the additions of BOS and PWM it also saw the trend that affected many small cities around the WN system.
That trend was the retirement of the 737-300 cause a fleet shortage which is now just back up to pre retirement levels it had a affect on a lot of small WN markets. MHT has seen a small rebound mostly thru more flights being upgraded to 737-800 vs 737-700. The available seats have increased some but flight schedule is still around 12 to 15 depending on the season. I don't think MHT-LAS will be gone forever I can see summer seasonal returns in the future. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Saturday only addition.
As for MHT dropping to 4 or 5 daily flights total it's not going to happen.

I can see PWM growing to maybe 8 daily flights in the summer season.

Flyguy

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:13 pm
by LotsaRunway
wnflyguy wrote:
Fex180 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
Not surprised. One of the reasons I hardly ever fly WN is because their prices are always so much more expensive than everyone else. And on top of that I can't reserve a seat. I see no redeeming qualities for WN from either MHT or BOS, which are the only 2 airports I'd fly out of. Maybe they are more competitive in otehr parts of the country but around here it's hard to see how they can stay in business. I guess when you charge double the price you don't have to fly with high load factors.


Almost seems like WN is getting ready for a larger scale down of operations at MHT. I could easily see MHT being reduced to a similar level of WN service as PWM. 3-4x daily to BWI and maybe 1x daily or Saturday service to MDW or MCO.


MHT is making money for WN.
MHT in addition to service levels drop with the additions of BOS and PWM it also saw the trend that affected many small cities around the WN system.
That trend was the retirement of the 737-300 cause a fleet shortage which is now just back up to pre retirement levels it had a affect on a lot of small WN markets. MHT has seen a small rebound mostly thru more flights being upgraded to 737-800 vs 737-700. The available seats have increased some but flight schedule is still around 12 to 15 depending on the season. I don't think MHT-LAS will be gone forever I can see summer seasonal returns in the future. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Saturday only addition.
As for MHT dropping to 4 or 5 daily flights total it's not going to happen.

I can see PWM growing to maybe 8 daily flights in the summer season.

Flyguy

This is my understanding as well. I might word it that WN is putting the squeeze on MHT to help BOS, but certainly not giving up on it. I never could understand why WN didn't try to do more with PWM to MDW and MCO, but maybe that's in the longer range plans when they get more aircraft.

Thinking out loud a little here. I wonder if cannibalizing MHT and PVD to support BOS has been more profitable for WN than what they had before. It seems that BOS fares cut deeper into the profit margins. That said, I understand why they needed to go into BOS, but I'm not sure why they seem so willing to sell the New England farm to grow BOS at such low margins. Simple connectivity to hubs would have given WN FF's at other stations BOS access. The bloodbath could get worse with DL's plans to grow BOS.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:00 pm
by chrisnh
A WN plane that lands at MHT is stopped at the gate 60 seconds after it touches down. It’s 6 times that at BOS. Going the other way, that 737 has the runway to itselfat MHT whereas it’s in a long conga line at BOS. That’s fuel. Wasted.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:26 am
by pwm2txlhopper
wnflyguy wrote:
Fex180 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
Not surprised. One of the reasons I hardly ever fly WN is because their prices are always so much more expensive than everyone else. And on top of that I can't reserve a seat. I see no redeeming qualities for WN from either MHT or BOS, which are the only 2 airports I'd fly out of. Maybe they are more competitive in otehr parts of the country but around here it's hard to see how they can stay in business. I guess when you charge double the price you don't have to fly with high load factors.


Almost seems like WN is getting ready for a larger scale down of operations at MHT. I could easily see MHT being reduced to a similar level of WN service as PWM. 3-4x daily to BWI and maybe 1x daily or Saturday service to MDW or MCO.


MHT is making money for WN.
MHT in addition to service levels drop with the additions of BOS and PWM it also saw the trend that affected many small cities around the WN system.
That trend was the retirement of the 737-300 cause a fleet shortage which is now just back up to pre retirement levels it had a affect on a lot of small WN markets. MHT has seen a small rebound mostly thru more flights being upgraded to 737-800 vs 737-700. The available seats have increased some but flight schedule is still around 12 to 15 depending on the season. I don't think MHT-LAS will be gone forever I can see summer seasonal returns in the future. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Saturday only addition.
As for MHT dropping to 4 or 5 daily flights total it's not going to happen.

I can see PWM growing to maybe 8 daily flights in the summer season.

Flyguy


They've been here at PWM for five or six years now, and still haven't added flights. It's the same four per day to BWI (5 in summer) they started with when Air Tran got bought out. With Saturday only service to MDW and MCO seasonally that most people don't even know about. They don't even have a station here with SW employees, nor is cargo available at PWM.

I don't think Southwest has much interest in PWM? Hopefully, they'll add some Florida flights to try and drive off Frontier when they start RSW and TPA next month. MCO just commenced last month. DEN would be nice for getting out west. butI wouldn't hold my breath.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:21 am
by Fex180
pwm2txlhopper wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Fex180 wrote:

Almost seems like WN is getting ready for a larger scale down of operations at MHT. I could easily see MHT being reduced to a similar level of WN service as PWM. 3-4x daily to BWI and maybe 1x daily or Saturday service to MDW or MCO.


MHT is making money for WN.
MHT in addition to service levels drop with the additions of BOS and PWM it also saw the trend that affected many small cities around the WN system.
That trend was the retirement of the 737-300 cause a fleet shortage which is now just back up to pre retirement levels it had a affect on a lot of small WN markets. MHT has seen a small rebound mostly thru more flights being upgraded to 737-800 vs 737-700. The available seats have increased some but flight schedule is still around 12 to 15 depending on the season. I don't think MHT-LAS will be gone forever I can see summer seasonal returns in the future. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Saturday only addition.
As for MHT dropping to 4 or 5 daily flights total it's not going to happen.

I can see PWM growing to maybe 8 daily flights in the summer season.

Flyguy


They've been here at PWM for five or six years now, and still haven't added flights. It's the same four per day to BWI (5 in summer) they started with when Air Tran got bought out. With Saturday only service to MDW and MCO seasonally that most people don't even know about. They don't even have a station here with SW employees, nor is cargo available at PWM.

I don't think Southwest has much interest in PWM? Hopefully, they'll add some Florida flights to try and drive off Frontier when they start RSW and TPA next month. MCO just commenced last month. DEN would be nice for getting out west. butI wouldn't hold my breath.


This summer they were only running 4x daily to BWI but at least one rt a day (and sometimes two) were on 738's Personally I'm very surprised that they haven't at least tried a seasonal daily to MDW.

It does seem like they just want to keep a token presence at PWM, although their numbers keep inching up.

On a side note, B6's pax numbers at PWM, have been on a long slow decline, I assume that's mostly because of competition from WN and now F9, and also more offerings out of BOS.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:42 pm
by tomaheath
Rainy days make the mind wonder sometimes. With AA seeming to be the only airline right now somewhat interested in Manchester would a flight to PHX or DFW work? As mentioned before it would be nice to have a Midwest flight out of the snow belt. How did Southwest do on the PHX route back when they last ran it? I’d think the Phoenix would be a decent connection point for along the whole west coast. Morning flight out of Manchester should get you there around noon then leave Phoenix in the afternoon get to Manchester in the evening. AA runs bothe LAX and DFW from BDL I feel I’m not being completely crazy thinking/wishing this.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:07 am
by BTVB6Flyer
BTV has an announcement 10:00am on Wednesday, could be F9 or maybe reintroduction of a Florida P2P route.

My bet is F9

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:39 am
by aaflyer777
I'm still crossing my fingers F9 decides to start MHT, its the type of airport they like to fly to and there's definitely a market for them to fill

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:05 pm
by tomaheath
aaflyer777 wrote:
I'm still crossing my fingers F9 decides to start MHT, its the type of airport they like to fly to and there's definitely a market for them to fill

The new director mentioned that Manchester’s cost was a little high for its size. Maybe he’ll be able to lower costs some to help get some new service.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:34 pm
by slcdeltarumd11
I can't imagine BTV isn't F9. 24 hours from now we will know!

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:35 pm
by Fex180
aaflyer777 wrote:
I'm still crossing my fingers F9 decides to start MHT, its the type of airport they like to fly to and there's definitely a market for them to fill


I don't think F9 would start at MHT. All that would do would cannibalize their PWM service.

I can definitely see F9 at BTV. Winter seasonal BTV-MCO or TPA. Maybe summer flights to DEN?? I don't think that would be too much of a stretch given how successful PWM-DEN has been.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:47 pm
by paysonmt77
I am wondering if Allegiant might be coming back to BTV, we could be all surprised and see Elite offer service, or Spirit.. but my bet is F9 to set up shop....MCO, DEN..TPA

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:02 pm
by WeatherPilot
F9 has posted BTV to its' schedule.

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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:49 pm
by BTVB6Flyer
So far seeing for sure MCO/DEN from BTV on F9

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:24 am
by Fex180
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
So far seeing for sure MCO/DEN from BTV on F9


Where are you seeing DEN?? I can only see MCO

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:33 am
by bomber996
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
So far seeing for sure MCO/DEN from BTV on F9


My bet is a DEN-BTV-MCO-BTV-DEN day long rotation. Early departure from Denver, late arrival back.

Peace :box:

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:38 am
by WeatherPilot
bomber996 wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
So far seeing for sure MCO/DEN from BTV on F9


My bet is a DEN-BTV-MCO-BTV-DEN day long rotation. Early departure from Denver, late arrival back.

Peace :box:


I said the same on the other thread. If the numbers are their for F9 with DEN and MCO they'll probably start TPA, RDU and RSW shortly after.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:38 am
by WeatherPilot
WeatherPilot wrote:
bomber996 wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
So far seeing for sure MCO/DEN from BTV on F9


My bet is a DEN-BTV-MCO-BTV-DEN day long rotation. Early departure from Denver, late arrival back.

Peace :box:


I said the same on the other thread. If the numbers are there for F9 with DEN and MCO they'll probably start TPA, RDU and RSW shortly after.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:38 am
by WeatherPilot
WeatherPilot wrote:
WeatherPilot wrote:
bomber996 wrote:

My bet is a DEN-BTV-MCO-BTV-DEN day long rotation. Early departure from Denver, late arrival back.

Peace :box:


I said the same on the other thread. If the numbers are there for F9 with DEN and MCO they'll probably start TPA, RDU and RSW shortly after.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:44 am
by Fex180
WeatherPilot wrote:
WeatherPilot wrote:
WeatherPilot wrote:


I said the same on the other thread. If the numbers are there for F9 with DEN and MCO they'll probably start TPA, RDU and RSW shortly after.


I assume these routes would be starting in Nov. Very surprised they decided to start DEN in winter. I wonder if they intend to keep it year round (if they have good numbers of course) or as a winter seasonal for people going to ski resorts.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:58 am
by Fex180
Pretty shocked to go on the F9 website this morning and see that they are starting at PSM in December. The only route I can see right now is PSM-MCO running Tues/Thurs/Sun

still, definitely didn't see this coming

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:05 pm
by aaflyer777
Fex180 wrote:
Pretty shocked to go on the F9 website this morning and see that they are starting at PSM in December. The only route I can see right now is PSM-MCO running Tues/Thurs/Sun

still, definitely didn't see this coming


Well there goes any hope of them starting MHT, kinda odd they've decided to run PWM and PSM seeing as they're only about an hour drive apart

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:12 pm
by paysonmt77
Looking at the schedules for both PWM and PSM comparably: PWM-MCO flies on the days that PSM does not so no direct competition in Dec/Jan/Feb. However at PSM, Frontier will fly against the scheduled allegiant schedule. This will be an interesting dog fight even though allegiant flies to SFB. Both airports combined will cover each day to MCO on Frontier. PWM has the better schedule at Monday, Wed, Friday, Sat

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:30 pm
by bomber996
Is there any official release from PSM or F9 on the PSM service? I haven't been able to find anything outside of the F9 website booking engine.

Good for PSM, sucks for MHT.

Peace :box:

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:36 pm
by Fex180
paysonmt77 wrote:
Looking at the schedules for both PWM and PSM comparably: PWM-MCO flies on the days that PSM does not so no direct competition in Dec/Jan/Feb. However at PSM, Frontier will fly against the scheduled allegiant schedule. This will be an interesting dog fight even though allegiant flies to SFB. Both airports combined will cover each day to MCO on Frontier. PWM has the better schedule at Monday, Wed, Friday, Sat


It is odd given that Portland and Portsmouth are less than an hour apart on the turnpike. Maybe bookings from PWM were strong enough that they decided PSM-MCO wouldn't be detrimental to their PWM operations.

Also definitely not good news for MHT.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:17 pm
by airbazar
Fex180 wrote:
paysonmt77 wrote:
Looking at the schedules for both PWM and PSM comparably: PWM-MCO flies on the days that PSM does not so no direct competition in Dec/Jan/Feb. However at PSM, Frontier will fly against the scheduled allegiant schedule. This will be an interesting dog fight even though allegiant flies to SFB. Both airports combined will cover each day to MCO on Frontier. PWM has the better schedule at Monday, Wed, Friday, Sat


It is odd given that Portland and Portsmouth are less than an hour apart on the turnpike. Maybe bookings from PWM were strong enough that they decided PSM-MCO wouldn't be detrimental to their PWM operations.

Also definitely not good news for MHT.

But PSM works for some of us in Mass, better than MHT.
I live off of I-495 about 10min closer to PSM than MHT and they have FREE parking. There are also a lot of towns in MAss for whom PSM will be cheaper and more convenient than BOS. Haverhill, Newburryport, Amesbury, Topsfield, are all less than 30 mins away.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:18 pm
by iyerhari
Fex180 wrote:
It is odd given that Portland and Portsmouth are less than an hour apart on the turnpike. Maybe bookings from PWM were strong enough that they decided PSM-MCO wouldn't be detrimental to their PWM operations.

Also definitely not good news for MHT.


Question is did MHT even try for G4? If MHT mgmt. feels that they can depend on spillover service from BOS, it is going to challenging in the current times when there are other airports in the region who are vying for new service. I agree with you - not a good news for MHT.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:36 pm
by chrisnh
In my mind, I always waffle between two schools of thought.

First, no matter WHAT airport managers do, airlines will go where they want regardless.

Second, airport managers DO play a huge role, and the airports that succeed are the ones with proactive managers.

I've been more in the second camp, but, boy, this is not a good look for MHT.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:02 pm
by airbazar
iyerhari wrote:
Question is did MHT even try for G4? If MHT mgmt. feels that they can depend on spillover service from BOS, it is going to challenging in the current times when there are other airports in the region who are vying for new service. I agree with you - not a good news for MHT.


According to someone on a different thread, F9 says MHT is too expensive.
If that's true that's really bad.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:47 pm
by Fex180
airbazar wrote:
Fex180 wrote:
paysonmt77 wrote:
Looking at the schedules for both PWM and PSM comparably: PWM-MCO flies on the days that PSM does not so no direct competition in Dec/Jan/Feb. However at PSM, Frontier will fly against the scheduled allegiant schedule. This will be an interesting dog fight even though allegiant flies to SFB. Both airports combined will cover each day to MCO on Frontier. PWM has the better schedule at Monday, Wed, Friday, Sat


It is odd given that Portland and Portsmouth are less than an hour apart on the turnpike. Maybe bookings from PWM were strong enough that they decided PSM-MCO wouldn't be detrimental to their PWM operations.

Also definitely not good news for MHT.

But PSM works for some of us in Mass, better than MHT.
I live off of I-495 about 10min closer to PSM than MHT and they have FREE parking. There are also a lot of towns in MAss for whom PSM will be cheaper and more convenient than BOS. Haverhill, Newburryport, Amesbury, Topsfield, are all less than 30 mins away.


I can see PSM being able to capture northern Mass, the NH seacoast and parts of the Manchester area. Maybe the suits at F9 don't see too much overlap between the PWM / PSM markets, but I think PSM would stay a pretty limited operation. I can't see PSM-DEN or PSM-RDU. Might just be another loading point to get New Englanders to warmer climates.

In 2018 Frontier has expanded to PWM, BTV, and PSM. Southwest and Jetblue need to stop ignoring their secondary New England markets or they might find themselves fighting for leftovers.

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN) - 2018

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:54 pm
by georgiabill
When does the new airport director start at MHT? If I remember correctly he is coming from one of the Houston airports.
Does anyone think NK might consider adding MHT should airport fees get lowered?
I am hoping should WN add new flights from MHT they would restore MHT-DEN,seasonal MHT-FLL and consider adding MHT-STL service and seasonal MHT-RSW service.
For ORD from MHT hoping AA will give it a try 2x daily.