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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:57 am

3,5 km is just too short,shorter than 3,7 km naia, compared to bkk 4 km or frankfurt 4km runways.cant that man think bigger?
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:10 pm

SleeplessInZh wrote:
Beautiful photos! imagine 3 or 4 more terminals like this connecting to each other.

There was a GMR proposal before to further expand MCIA for a 50-year concession period...I think it'd take that long before demand at CEB would have grown to such a level. :house:

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It called for the construction of a new terminal and satellites adjacent to the EPZ location...plus a new parallel runway jutting out to the bay on reclaimed land. It seems the control tower is better located at that small notch between the terminals for a better overview of the whole airfield. :wideeyed:
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Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:48 am

From another a.net thread:
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Interesting to see MNL at #6 (possibly because of their strong BPO industry?)... Could MNL-BLR be next on PR's list if DEL and BOM are a success? Maybe AI or even 6E once they get their A321neos (although that could be unlikely if the BPO industry hypothesis is correct, which would mean a large amount or premium pax) could start the route in the future.
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:33 pm

idp5601 wrote:
Interesting to see MNL at #6 (possibly because of their strong BPO industry?)... Could MNL-BLR be next on PR's list if DEL and BOM are a success?

Perhaps, though I think sufficient demand is not there yet. More intriguing is the very recent bilateral with Maldives given the impending closure of Boracay and the natural tendency of travelers to seek alternative vacation spots..... :cool2: .....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2018/ ... s-underway

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http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... dives.html


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http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MNL-BLR%2FMLE&MS=wls&DU=nm


idp5601 wrote:
Maybe AI or even 6E once they get their A321neos

How about Vistara or 'XindiGo'? :cheerful:
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Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:41 pm

Pal will do a lot of profits on that mle route,maybe in 2020?after that they also have to focuse to some oceanian routes like: nadi.leissure travellers can then enjoy seamless connection to 3 5star beach destinations: mle-via mnl to palawan or continue to nadi.exciting route!but yet the a321neos must be delivered first:-) blr is also very interesting!
 
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Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:22 am

Devilfish wrote:
idp5601 wrote:
Interesting to see MNL at #6 (possibly because of their strong BPO industry?)... Could MNL-BLR be next on PR's list if DEL and BOM are a success?

Perhaps, though I think sufficient demand is not there yet.

Well, PAL did say they wanted to fly to three destinations in India with their new A321neos, and given that Bangalore is India's third largest city it's not entirely implausible.

SleeplessInZh wrote:
Pal will do a lot of profits on that mle route,maybe in 2020?after that they also have to focuse to some oceanian routes like: nadi.leissure travellers can then enjoy seamless connection to 3 5star beach destinations: mle-via mnl to palawan or continue to nadi.exciting route!but yet the a321neos must be delivered first:-) blr is also very interesting!

The connecting experience in NAIA would have to be improved first before they can heavily rely on transiting pax (Aussie pax to LHR and Chinese tourists to AKL aside).
 
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Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:56 pm

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The connecting experience in NAIA would have to be improved first before they can heavily rely on transiting pax (Aussie pax to LHR and Chinese tourists to AKL aside).

Deja vu? It's Terminal 3 fiasco all over again. The DOTr is setting aside both NAIA proposals as proceeding with selection would force the agency to award the contract to the superior bidder...while ignoring same would subject them to charges of brazen prejudice and corruption. For one proposal simply outclassed the other. So they choose to change tactics and solicit the project in an open, competitive bid...perhaps hoping that their favored entities would this time come up with a bid that will not be too hard to justify. Many won't be surprised if that latter bid would contain elements of the previous opposing proposal.

Meanwhile, the country, its people, foreigners traveling and the airlines will continue to suffer the inadequacies of the present facilities and wait for the bidders to revisit their proposals and sharpen their pencils. Until such time that a contract is awarded and the project completed. Which by all indications the DOTr is in no hurry to accomplish. :hissyfit:
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Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:35 am

Devilfish wrote:
idp5601 wrote:
Interesting to see MNL at #6 (possibly because of their strong BPO industry?)... Could MNL-BLR be next on PR's list if DEL and BOM are a success?

Perhaps, though I think sufficient demand is not there yet. More intriguing is the very recent bilateral with Maldives given the impending closure of Boracay and the natural tendency of travelers to seek alternative vacation spots..... :cool2: .....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2018/ ... s-underway

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http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... dives.html


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idp5601 wrote:
Maybe AI or even 6E once they get their A321neos

How about Vistara or 'XindiGo'? :cheerful:


Update on potential non-stop MNL-MLE flghts: apparently PR want to start flying to MLE using the A321neos as early as next year.
Source: http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... dives.html
 
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Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:37 am

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idp5601 wrote:
The connecting experience in NAIA would have to be improved first before they can heavily rely on transiting pax (Aussie pax to LHR and Chinese tourists to AKL aside).

Deja vu? It's Terminal 3 fiasco all over again. The DOTr is setting aside both NAIA proposals as proceeding with selection would force the agency to award the contract to the superior bidder...while ignoring same would subject them to charges of brazen prejudice and corruption. For one proposal simply outclassed the other. So they choose to change tactics and solicit the project in an open, competitive bid...perhaps hoping that their favored entities would this time come up with a bid that will not be too hard to justify. Many won't be surprised if that latter bid would contain elements of the previous opposing proposal.

Meanwhile, the country, its people, foreigners traveling and the airlines will continue to suffer the inadequacies of the present facilities and wait for the bidders to revisit their proposals and sharpen their pencils. Until such time that a contract is awarded and the project completed. Which by all indications the DOTr is in no hurry to accomplish. :hissyfit:

I honestly think GMR/Megawide could win the bid even if the odds are stacked against their favour. This was more or less the same situation as when they were bidding for CEB T2: they were facing rivals that had greater financial firepower as them, yet they still pulled through.
 
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Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:18 pm

They could even serve male via colombo to compete against srilankan.great news!
 
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Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:06 pm

http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-re ... ntena.html

News about pals A350.maybe its already old news for the forumers.
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:45 pm

Seems as if Bulacan might not be the country's next gateway after all, if one of Philippine aviation's most knowledgeable insiders is to be believed. He says Japan and China are competing for the funding of Sangley Point International Airport, which could mean RSA's airport pet project might not get the nod from the President.
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:09 pm

SleeplessInZh wrote:
http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2018/04/philippine-airlines-selects-airbus-flight-hour-services-maintena.html

News about pals A350.

Thank you for sharing. I take it that this agreement would handle any remaining issues with the Trent XWB engines, and assume all ETOPS requirements will have been satisfied by the time of its first nonstop MNL-JFK flight? From the link.....

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"The Airbus FHS, powered by Skywise, provides the highest reliability for operators of the A350 XWB. Under the agreement, Airbus will handle component services, repair, warehousing and transportation for PAL, supported by Airbus FHS pools in Hong Kong. It will allow for a proactive component engineering, with strong engineering focus that enables operators to predict in-service issues. This will lead to an improvement in operations by reducing delays, and help to simplify troubleshooting.

The Airbus FHS will be strengthened by Airbus’ data platform Skywise, taking advantage of state-of-the-art data hosting and analytics to optimise the airline fleet utilisation. This new service will harness ‘big data’ to greatly enhance levels of operational performance, compared with current industry technologies."



Are these the taller sharklets? BTW, I'm happy that Airbus now spread the airline title over the entire forward section windows...there's definitely something good that can be said about symmetry and balance..... :veryhappy: .....

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From SkyscraperCity...a few more photos of MCIA T2..... :camera: .....

source: @C. C. Cabilao | FB
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Posted by: BCFeet ---------- Sweet! :cheerful:


source: @Johnzkieboy Andes FB ---------- It's good that they can now use the new apron for aircraft parking. :thumbsup:

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Awaiting a new version of this photo with the drop-off area canopies completed..... :goodvibes: .....

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Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:51 am

The Cavite government is getting in on the Sangley action as well, because apparently they have also offered to build the new airport.
http://bworldonline.com/dotr-studying-c ... y-airport/
Most important part of the article:
Mr. Reinoso said that the latest version of the proposal is structured as a government undertaking led by PRA, CAAP, and the DoTr, as well as the province of Cavite.


And apparently the SM-Solar proposal is not yet deemed as rejected (as was previously reported), although if sources are to be believed it is very unlikely for them to get the greenlight, as it is likely that the Cavite proposal will be tagged by the DOTr as an important project for ODA funding. Once it gets approved by the NEDA Board the plan will be to hold a design competition for the terminal/s.
 
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Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:08 pm

What comes out of the media are mostly posturing meant to burnish the various proponents' proposals, their images in the public's eyes, and by extension, their attractiveness to investors. So it may be helpful to consider the following article.....

https://businessmirror.com.ph/what-now- ... proponent/


In the meantime.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2018/ ... w9WwQJR.99



And while everyone else are splitting hairs, here's a nice photo from SkyscraperCity clearly showing what structures could be affected should a particular NAIA proposal gain traction and the area (cropped on the picture) across the runway threshold where new maintenance facilities could be set up..... :scratchchin: .....

Originally posted by thehighwayadvocate
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It would be a pity if that leftmost maintenance hangar would be demolished as it is quite new. Hopefully, an economical solution to dismantle and relocate it could be found. :crossfingers:



Again from SkyscraperCity...actual aerial shot where the proposed CRK T2 would be located..... :camera: .....

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Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:59 pm

With the NEDA Board set to tackle SMC's Bulakan international gateway proposal shortly, it would be enlightening to see how the envisaged location could be accessed from different parts of the National Capital Region. The following image from SkyscraperCity refers.....

Originally posted by yhuanista07 ---------- C-6 Road North Segment from SJDM to NLEX
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Based on the above, the airport could be reached via a branch from NLEX with a junction at MacArthur Highway, a spur or an APM to North Rail's Bocaue station, a connection to the proposed raised Coastal Highway, and lastly through an extension of the ongoing MRT-7 along the planned C-6 road. From Metro Manila, the fastest routes seem to be NLEX after completion of the Skyway segment to Balintawak...and via R-10 to the coastal highway.


Timely, as CAPA just reported an 8% increase in NAIA's passenger count for the previous month.....

23-Apr-2018 11:25 PM
Manila Ninoy Aquino International Airport pax up 8% in Mar-2018

Manila Ninoy Aquino International Airport reported (23-Apr-2018) the following traffic highlights for Mar-2018:

Passengers: 3.8 million, +8.0% year-on-year;
Domestic: 1.8 million, +3.4%;
International: 2.0 million, +12.7%;
Aircraft movements: 22,003, +0.7%;
Domestic: 12,496, -1.2%;
International: 9507, +3.2%.




AirSwift's first ATR72 opposite NAIA T3 in the database.....

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Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:54 pm

Potential direct PR service to TLV by year end..... :thumbsup: .....

http://business.inquirer.net/249785/pal ... t-tel-aviv


Likely to be flown with A330 equipment. :airplane: Wish it were the A338. :wink2:
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Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:33 pm

I enjoy reading this thread. I have visited Manila on a VFR basis twice a year for the last 15 years or so, so I am interested in all the updates on new infrastructure

I also follow the endless story of the LHR expansion, to build a 3rd runway - that story predates the birth of my son who is now in his mid-30s

How about there is a split out of this thread, which is left for all-things-Philippines aviation related, and create a new one for "Manila NAIA Expansion progress!"

Like that , there would be clarity and choice between the 2 threads. I am slightly satiated on the NAIA renewal/expansion.replacement topic which I find to be as bad as the LHR story, and I do like the current thread's posts on anything other than airport construction!
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:36 pm

Fingers crossed!Philippine airlines might beg 'the most improved airline' this year by skytrax in london.slightly under saudi arabian at rank 52 or 53.i do believe!and you?so many improvements,with the arrival of the neos!
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:37 pm

Vote,vote,vote!
 
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Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:06 am

I already voted!gave them 9/10.hongkong-manila flight with the refurb a330.(ife's need more films, a better mapping,a footrest like thai,and a cup holder,the mood lighting was missing)the camera was not needed on a A330.but mygolly look @that gorgeous eco cabins!not even 1 eu carrier provides this nearly on a 2h flight.so vote!
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:46 am

Devilfish wrote:
Potential direct PR service to TLV by year end..... :thumbsup: .....

http://business.inquirer.net/249785/pal ... t-tel-aviv


Likely to be flown with A330 equipment. :airplane: Wish it were the A338. :wink2:

Hope they start this with their tri-class A330s, although their A321neo with ACT could do it as well (but probably only if they're given the right to fly over Saudi airspace to and from TLV).
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:50 am

idp5601 wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
Potential direct PR service to TLV by year end..... :thumbsup: .....

http://business.inquirer.net/249785/pal ... t-tel-aviv


Likely to be flown with A330 equipment. :airplane: Wish it were the A338. :wink2:

Hope they start this with their tri-class A330s, although their A321neo with ACT could do it as well (but probably only if they're given the right to fly over Saudi airspace to and from TLV).


A321neo cannot fly MNL-TLV direct, even if it could overfly Saudi airspace - it simply does not have the range.
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:00 am

Qantas16 wrote:
idp5601 wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
Potential direct PR service to TLV by year end..... :thumbsup: .....

http://business.inquirer.net/249785/pal ... t-tel-aviv


Likely to be flown with A330 equipment. :airplane: Wish it were the A338. :wink2:

Hope they start this with their tri-class A330s, although their A321neo with ACT could do it as well (but probably only if they're given the right to fly over Saudi airspace to and from TLV).


A321neo cannot fly MNL-TLV direct, even if it could overfly Saudi airspace - it simply does not have the range.

Are we talking about the vanilla A321neo or the specially-configured A321neo with extra ACT PAL is taking delivery of starting this year?

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The NEDA Board has just approved the Bulacan Airport project (subject to final review of concession agreement), and will undergo a Swiss challenge.
http://business.inquirer.net/249843/ned ... z5DjF3c2fn
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:24 pm

sassiciai wrote:
How about there is a split out of this thread, which is left for all-things-Philippines aviation related, and create a new one for "Manila NAIA Expansion progress!"

You're very welcome to start one! :smile:

sassiciai wrote:
Like that , there would be clarity and choice between the 2 threads. I am slightly satiated on the NAIA renewal/expansion.replacement topic which I find to be as bad as the LHR story, and I do like the current thread's posts on anything other than airport construction!

Please indulge us some more...for there's nothing more critical to Philippine aviation right now than the abject state of its airport infrastructure and air navigation technology. :pray:

From SkyscraperCity..... :wink2: .....

https://youtu.be/s-y7YIoNdBA

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SleeplessInZh wrote:
but mygolly look @that gorgeous eco cabins!not even 1 eu carrier provides this nearly on a 2h flight.so vote!

Wait till PR's A321neos and A359s are delivered..... :eyepopping: .....

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Crossing over another asleep passenger would be a bummer though. :sigh:

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idp5601 wrote:
Are we talking about the vanilla A321neo or the specially-configured A321neo with extra ACT PAL is taking delivery of starting this year?

Unless Airbus found extra longer legs for the 3-act A321LR without reducing payload (pax) further, its brochure range is well below even the 4,759 nm Great Circle distance between Manila and Tel Aviv, which is theoretically already the most direct routing PR could take.....

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idp5601 wrote:
The NEDA Board has just approved the Bulacan Airport project (subject to final review of concession agreement), and will undergo a Swiss challenge.

Which brings us back to the question of what would happen to CRK T2 in case SMC succeeds? Whatever, it would make an excellent "Paskuhan Village" complete with malls, theaters, other recreational facilities and parks plus transportation hub! :bigthumbsup: The Government may try to bring the outlay down as much as possible, but this is why the modernization of NAIA as proposed by GMIAC was very apt and responsive to the short-medium term requirements of the megalopolis. :old:
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:44 pm

Devilfish wrote:


SleeplessInZh wrote:
but mygolly look @that gorgeous eco cabins!not even 1 eu carrier provides this nearly on a 2h flight.so vote!

Wait till PR's A321neos and A359s are delivered..... :eyepopping: .....

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Crossing over another asleep passenger would be a bummer though. :sigh:

The finishes look decent and the hard product is nice, although I would be concerned about space for feet (especially for US sizes 10+) especially considering that PR will be flying these plans on 8-10 hour missions, and the Rockwell Collins Diamond seats are not known for their generous footwell space.
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:00 pm

What?are those the seats?oh wow,didn't expect that it would be that nice on the 321neos.i still favor thompson vantage solo,but this is also nice.same like qatars!the A350 need a better remote hd controller.
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:11 pm

I thought they'll come with a more luxurious cabin on their A350s.like 'deltas one suite',with the motto first in business.but checked the mood lighting.
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:10 pm

Oh im starting to get dissapointed...especially on the A350.i mean its like a regional business class,sorry to say.singapore has recently introduced their regional business class which is really over the top.again,like on their new B777,theres no 'wow', because its a 4 star cabin.no innovations like china arlines A350.i don't want to upset people,just my opinion.
 
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Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:13 am

Is it true?duterte approved bulacan proposal!!!!!!!!!

My goooood!the long wait!Bulacan is our next premier airport!!!what a happy day!
 
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Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:28 am

idp5601 wrote:
Hope they start this with their tri-class A330s.

Be glad PR's single-class A330s (which could have been challenged by the sector) are no more. However, given that OFWs and tourists would likely make up most of the pax on this pioneering service, there's still a chance that PR's remaining A340s might be deployed on the route. :sigh:


SleeplessInZh wrote:
I thought they'll come with a more luxurious cabin on their A350s.like 'deltas one suite',with the motto first in business.but checked the mood lighting.

I think PR is careful not to lose sight of their primary market. That said, it's curious that RP-C3501 hasn't been spotted yet with its engines on after being in cabin fit...while their second of the type is said to be undergoing "outdoor ground tests" at Station 18. :spin:


SleeplessInZh wrote:
Is it true?duterte approved bulacan proposal!!!!!!!!!

My goooood!the long wait!Bulacan is our next premier airport!!!what a happy day!

Not so fast...hold your horses! :hyper:
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:31 am

So will all 321neos have touchscreen ife's in both classes?
 
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:20 am

And another question: what does mean option?if pal has ordered 6 A350,with another 6 options.does that mean they already paid for 12 aircrafts,or they still need to pay for those 6 'options'.:-/ thank you in advance
 
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:07 am

SleeplessInZh wrote:
So will all 321neos have touchscreen ife's in both classes?

Yes.

SleeplessInZh wrote:
And another question: what does mean option?if pal has ordered 6 A350,with another 6 options.does that mean they already paid for 12 aircrafts,or they still need to pay for those 6 'options'.:-/ thank you in advance

No, if an airline has options for a certain aircraft that basically means they've reserved a slot in the waiting list for said plane (which is why they expire after a set number of years if they don't decide to activate it). It also means the airline and the manufacturer have already pre-determined the price for those options, and will pay them only if they decided to act on the options.
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From Arianespace, regarding the Bulacan Airport proposal:

Well, according to ICC inside sources, The oddity stopped when SMC offered their land as part of the offer in the concession agreement according to pre-stated valuation. They earlier dropped certain conditions prior to ICC meeting which I mentioned earlier. Meaning, should another bidder wins, they should surrender the land where the airport is to be built under the propose BOT warranting the President's approval. Fair enough. (I should have asked this earlier instead of asking clarification afterwards like the Kuwait Saga)

There was also this another issue which DU30 overruled because it can be threshed out in the propose concession agreement (CA). (This is where eligibilty, financial capacity, and technical capability comes in). DOF has issues which was the basis of my comment. I was really expecting its rejection following protocol. But the President has spoken. Well, he could be right as it is his investment policy after all. Not mine or that of his Finance Minister.

Contract negotiation is however a different thing as this is where it gets ugly, ie NAIA 3 project fiasco comes to mind. And it also involves no competition clause for x number of years, meaning no new airport construction within the Metro, so technically, no Sangley mega airport project for a while. Also fair proposition. It gets its traffic from the excess capacity of NAIA, also to be determined by the CA. I don't know yet how this affect the NAIA upgrade project with proposed concession period max out at less than 20 years. I may have to ask again.

If all is well, the contract is approve for comparative bid (Swiss Challenge). Meaning, this is where SMC lays down all their cards for other comparative bidders to see and bid better terms than the approve contract, with option to match the better offer. If SMC match the better offer then Notice of Award is issued. Otherwise, if SMC fails in contract negotiation there will be no comparative bid to follow. Then government attention goes to Sangley.

The approve contract is the most interesting part for airport building and its not there yet. In simple terms following a house building, we just saw the plan for the house approved not the contract for the building of a house. We should see the light of day next year. Until then I will keep my smile.

So you see, Approval doesn't mean award. They are two different things. I will grow old watching this go by.
 
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Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:59 pm

idp5601 wrote:
From Arianespace, regarding the Bulacan Airport proposal:

Well, according to ICC inside sources, The oddity stopped when SMC offered their land as part of the offer in the concession agreement according to pre-stated valuation. They earlier dropped certain conditions prior to ICC meeting which I mentioned earlier. Meaning, should another bidder wins, they should surrender the land where the airport is to be built under the propose BOT warranting the President's approval. Fair enough.

It's a wonder how SMC happened to have such a massive landbank in the first place...was it part of the encomienda system of old? :scratchchin: Anyway, win or lose, their land holdings will have appreciated a hundredfold in value after the selection.

I don't know yet how this affect the NAIA upgrade project with proposed concession period max out at less than 20 years. I may have to ask again.

This highlights why we need a fully and smoothly functioning NAIA at the best affordable cost in case the Bulakan proposal sails into the doldrums.

The approve contract is the most interesting part for airport building and its not there yet. In simple terms following a house building, we just saw the plan for the house approved not the contract for the building of a house. We should see the light of day next year. Until then I will keep my smile.

Just a minor nitpick here...we saw the site for the house approved, not the house plan itself. The NEDA Board may have seen it, but us lesser mortals have no idea if, for instance, the control tower would look like this..... :wideeyed: .....

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Lastly, there may be some confusion as to where the NLEX link would be...is it at Bocaue as shown in the map above -- or will the new expressway be built from the Marilao junction as stated in the article below?..... :? .....

http://business.inquirer.net/244948/bre ... cc-bulakan

Quote:
"As part of the proposal, SMC will build an expressway that would link its airport to the North Luzon Expressway in Marilao, Bulacan. SMC plans to complete the project within six years."
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Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:21 am

http://business.inquirer.net/250052/cav ... rt-project
And the plot thickens... yet again.
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:35 pm

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And the plot thickens... yet again.

This merry-go-round will forever turn until the Government awards the contract to upgrade/modernize NAIA...and conglomerates salivating to acquire that premium property for a song see that their chance has passed. Ditto with those fighting a war over whose turf the new international gateway should be built on. As these groups are all tuned in to station WIII-FM...and not competing for altruistic reasons.

So...after the ample break, we now return to regular programming. From SkyscraperCity..... :biggrin: .....

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Meanwhile at CRK..... :spin: .....
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Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:50 pm

Don't think this is posted yet:

https://news.cathaypacific.com/hong-kon ... -and-medan

KA starting HKG-DVO from October 28, 4/wk.

KA347 HKG 1235 DVO 1550 2357
KA348 DVO 1650 HKG 2000 2357

For North America I believe SFO, LAX, and YVR (to JFK) are workable connection. Some O&D for those Filipino domestic helpers also I guess (I'm not sure where majority of them are from, though).
 
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Tue May 01, 2018 12:27 am

Render for PR A350 Premium Economy section
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Tue May 01, 2018 1:15 pm

The premium eco seats look wonderful!i love them!
 
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Tue May 01, 2018 5:20 pm

From SkyscraperCity..... :cheerful: .....

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Is this supposed to be MCIA T2's information or transfer desk :?: .....

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zakuivcustom wrote:
KA starting HKG-DVO from October 28, 4/wk.

To be operated by Cathay Dragon's A320.....

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http://bworldonline.com/cathay-pacific- ... g-flights/


The Business Mirror reports that the NEDA-ICC cannot evaluate the NAIA Redevelopment project yet pending grant of 'OPS' by DOTr to a proponent.....

https://businessmirror.com.ph/neda-awai ... b-project/

Insufficient time to revise their proposal? :stirthepot:


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This as others get impatient with the foot-dragging..... :talktothehand: .....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2018/ ... airport-na
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Tue May 01, 2018 8:07 pm

Devilfish wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
KA starting HKG-DVO from October 28, 4/wk.

To be operated by Cathay Dragon's A320.....

http://bworldonline.com/cathay-pacific- ... g-flights/


Thanks for adding that to the info. I forgot to note that in my original post. :scratchchin:

On a side note:
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/article/17411 ... m-in-Davao

How much tourism are really there to Davao area anyway? I would assume that most traffic are still VFR? (Filipino Domestic Helpers in Hong Kong along with some connection traffic for Filipinos in US?)
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 12:54 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
KA starting HKG-DVO from October 28, 4/wk.

To be operated by Cathay Dragon's A320.....

http://bworldonline.com/cathay-pacific- ... g-flights/


Thanks for adding that to the info. I forgot to note that in my original post. :scratchchin:

On a side note:
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/article/17411 ... m-in-Davao

How much tourism are really there to Davao area anyway? I would assume that most traffic are still VFR? (Filipino Domestic Helpers in Hong Kong along with some connection traffic for Filipinos in US?)


Davao is home to a lot of agribusiness companies. The election of the current president has led to quite a bit of investment into Davao and Mindanao, especially since the Davao business elite bankrolled his campaign. I guess the business travel is starting to pick up, but it remains to be seen if the influx in investments will become more regular after the current administration.
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 6:03 pm

From SkyscraperCity.....

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Further to the future access schemes above...although strictly not a part of either the CRK or SMC airport proposal, the Skyway Stage 3 nearing completion in Metro Manila is nonetheless a vital infrastructure which could help make both airport projects more viable and succeed.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3597E4Rwyg


At the junction where the Skyway turns right on A. Bonifacio towards Balintawak, an extension could join the Harbor Link at R-10 to the envisioned raised Coastal Highway for an alternate route to the proposed Bulakan gateway.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU7lDhdXT6U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gGfFtBVs4k


Kudos to dmitrivalencia channel for the video updates. :thumbsup:
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Wed May 02, 2018 6:35 pm

Those parallel runways...the next san francisco.his first render is better.but the current render can still change.
 
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Thu May 03, 2018 12:03 pm

SleeplessInZh wrote:
Those parallel runways...the next san francisco.his first render is better.but the current render can still change.

Well, it really depends on how much SMC can afford to lose. Remember, nothing is set in stone yet, and the government is standing firm in its policy of not giving any flight allocations to Bulacan, so we will have to wait and see.
 
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Thu May 03, 2018 4:20 pm

The swiss challenge take 60 days?so the final decision would be in two months time?read it from wikipedia,but i'm not sure.
Im geting overexcited now about the A321neos,when is the exact date of delivery?
And will they sell their old 6 B777 or will they also refurbish them?i think that they are not leased.i'm starting to think that they'll sell them,for more A350-9.
 
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Thu May 03, 2018 4:28 pm

Unpatient.i think i just need to calm down:)
I think i will work for pal,if they resume flights to frankfurt.hehe
 
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Thu May 03, 2018 4:48 pm

SleeplessInZh wrote:
Those parallel runways....

Based on that map, wonder if SMC actually intends to build the parallel runways with a due East/West orientation? :scratchchin: Also, the expressway could continue along the Pampanga shoreline to complete the coastal highway ring to Bataan. No need for uber expensive elevated viaduct all the way as there won't be much road crossings...only merging traffic in each direction at main junctions. So just raise the carriageway above projected sea level rise and provide enough outlets for the floodplains to drain. Of course, if a viaduct will prove to be the more economical one-time solution, then the study will have to account for that.


idp5601 wrote:
Remember, nothing is set in stone yet, and the government is standing firm in its policy of not giving any flight allocations to Bulacan, so we will have to wait and see.

This suggests to me that the Government is intent on implementing its two-airport policy at least up to the medium term...and thus keeping a tight rein on flight allocations. However, there are no assurances that the succeeding administration(s) will not be swayed to change outlook, if the project implementation exceeds the present's term limits. :spin:



For a bit of airline news.....

https://business.inquirer.net/250161/ai ... t-trips-ph

It seems like PR and 5J did not want to dive deep enough to bag the contract. :shakehead:



And now, for the usual diet of MCIA T2 photos from SkyscraperCity..... :cheerful: .....

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MCIA T2 Airside 4/27/2018 ---------- The fresh sod is taking hold
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Will workers and equipment demobilize soon and transfer to CRK? :arrow:
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Fri May 04, 2018 4:37 pm

RSA insists that they have the wherewithal to build the proposed Bulakan gateway on their own..... :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: .....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2018/ ... rt-project

http://bworldonline.com/san-miguel-conf ... n-airport/


To assure doubting government officials, I'd suggest that SMC team up with the Super Consortium in completing the project -- SMC provides the land and the SC takes care of the financing. There might be a question of who should be the 'Boss' though. :flamed: Then they could leave NAIA's redevelopment to that "interloper"..... :duck: Seems the DOTr is very quiet of late..... :listen:



From SkyscraperCity...PAL's first A321N spotted with its GTF engines installed...(note the next one in the background)..... :eyepopping: .....

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And for our daily fix..... :cheerful: .....

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