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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:09 pm

PR77W wrote:


Infinitely better than putting it in service and encountering problems mid-flight..... :scared:

BTW, you can just click the " button on the upper right corner of the post you want to quote so it doesn't appear like an original. :smile:



This might be the reason for PR's ending of their TAG-ICN service..... :stirthepot:

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:cutie: Can't say that I disapprove..... :bigthumbsup:



More photos of the opening from SkyscraperCity ..... :camera: .....

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Nothing quite like a greenfield location :!: ..... :mrgreen:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:33 pm

Devilfish wrote:
This might be the reason for PR's ending of their TAG-ICN service..... :stirthepot:


They (Z2) did confirm they were going to open a hub here a while back. ;)
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:59 pm

Air Asia PH cabin crews look all so beautiful!why not working for philippine airlines?haha.
are they all from the philippines?the girl sitting in the right looks very beautiful (dark brown hair)
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:52 pm

Akiestar wrote:
They (Z2) did confirm they were going to open a hub here a while back. ;)

In line with that, can we expect aircraft meant for other winding-down AK franchises to find their way to Z2 to boost its fleet :?:

In the meantime, below is PR's advisory for their transfer to Panglao...and the remainder of their TAG-ICN service.....

https://www.philippineairlines.com/en/a ... ts/panglao

•PR 1482 (2P 1482) to Seoul Incheon

•PR 1483 (2P 1483) from Seoul Incheon

The PAL ticket office at the decommissioned Tagbilaran Airport will remain open until December 15, 2018 to service passengers during a three-week transition period. The PAL Tagbilaran City ticket office likewise remains open.

While the PAL ticket office at Panglao Airport is being set up, PAL check-in counters at the new airport will be able to issue tickets if necessary.



2P did have the (dubious?) honor of operating the last commercial flight out of the old TAG.....

https://www.philstar.com/opinion/2018/1 ... -plane-out

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"P.S. The PAL Express flight back to Manila took off at 4:15 p.m. as the last plane out before the Tagbilaran airport was closed for official operations at 6 p.m. last night. All flights to and from Bohol were transferred effective this morning to the new Panglao airport.



SleeplessInZh wrote:
Air Asia PH cabin crews look all so beautiful! why not working for philippine airlines?haha.

Maybe cabin crew's pay rates would see an appreciable increase once comely candidates get scarcer with Z2's recruitment campaign. :laughing:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:29 pm

Devilfish wrote:
Quote:
"P.S. The PAL Express flight back to Manila took off at 4:15 p.m. as the last plane out before the Tagbilaran airport was closed for official operations at 6 p.m. last night. All flights to and from Bohol were transferred effective this morning to the new Panglao airport.


Final flight was PR/GAP2778 opb an A320, RP-C8396.
A319 A320 A321 A332 A333 A343 AT75 AT76 B732 B733 B738 B744 B752(M) B763 B772 B77W DHC7 DH8C DH8D D328 MA60

2P 5J 6K CX DG EK GA KE MI PR VN OS QR A3 OK TG RA U4 JL GK UB K7 WE BR
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:23 am

It was so overhyped.and i was so overhyped.now finally i saw a review on the A321neo of pal out of jakarta.and i also saw a short review on the A350 out of london.but OMG!i never thought it will be this way,these new aircrafts were so overhyped, and then reviews are so rare,a short glimse of the A359 out of london...i'm frustated,that there are not much more A350 reviews longhaul

https://youtu.be/sp-IAtiBZfc
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:14 pm

I must say...I have never seen as many users logged-in on this thread (758 @ one time) until that photo of Z2's cabin crew was posted. I'd like to think it was due to the novel airport idea (but who am I kidding)? Beware.....that one in the middle is supposed to keep the hounds at bay! :biting:

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And for a little background of the project from someone who has actually been in aviation.....

https://businessmirror.com.ph/bohol-pan ... o-airport/
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:32 am

It's okay for a regional airport....it looks okay.all regional airports in ph should look like this!wohhh!
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:48 am

It will be SMALL for 6 billion dollars.bulacan will NOT impress,like istanbul
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:53 am

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It will be SMALL for 6 billion dollars.bulacan will NOT impress,like istanbul

The main goal is not to impress but to serve the aviation needs (excellent if both could be achieved at the same time :bigthumbsup: ) of the country for the foreseeable future. The Philippine economy is a tiny fraction of Turkey's and precariously on edge. I direct you once again to post #119 and EWR's proposed new terminal for cost comparison and a fresh appreciation of what's involved.

In the meantime, here's an A359 trip report of sorts for JFK-MNL from an unusual source..... :airplane: .....

https://www.philstar.com/opinion/2018/1 ... rink-globe


So PR got an 84% load factor on that flight...much better than if it was flown by the 77W (though I wonder how many of the full J seats were upgrades?) :scratchchin:



Over at CEB.....the greenery is complementing the festive season..... :mrgreen: .....

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:23 am

Devilfish wrote:


So PR got an 84% load factor on that flight...much better than if it was flown by the 77W (though I wonder how many of the full J seats were upgrades?) :scratchchin:



I doubt there were upgrades and if there were, I presume it will be from Y to Y+, just like other carriers? unless PR isn’t selling the Y+ section as PECY class but as an extra legroom seat.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:46 am

Any information on the two Cebu Pac/Cebgo ATR 72-500s that were supposed to be converted for freight use to be delivered by this quarter? I haven't heard much from them except for a couple of articles that briefly mention Cebu Pacific's ATR freighter conversion program. Has it been quietly cancelled?
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:56 pm

From the A322 Business Case thread.....

WIederling wrote:
That 103t plus a bag of potatoes A321 derivative with a fixed tank replacing some ACT would have 4500+nm range with apparently a regular A321 payload.


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If that's a real world payload/range combo, then I can see the A321XLR being very useful between NZ and the Philippines...(not saying all these points will have the demand, though)........

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=AKL-CEB/CRK/DVO/MNL&DU=nm
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:10 pm

Photos are now online saporro/inaugural flight
Just look @ fb philippine airlines

I don't know how to upload them here.
 
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:56 am

GMR-Megawide again? I would rather prefer the proposal of the so-called NAIA Super Consortium of oligarchs (Ayala-Aboitiz-AGI-Filinvest-JG-MVP-LT) with Changi Airport Group. Having GMR-Megawide as sole airport design and build partner in most of Philippine gateways is already considered a monopoly.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:09 am

No.ramon angs bulacan is the premier airport of the tag "MNL"!its the ONLY major airport project.manila deserves a new mega-hub,like their neighboring countries f.e. vietnam.
Clark is for new clark city,a bigger domestic airport with some international flights.with an estimated ~2.5 population once clark is built,clark is bigger than paris.
NO NEED TO IMPROVE NAIA,with billions of dollars.a waste of money!
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:44 am

*wikipedia 1.25 million-clark green city
Paris-2.2 million (2016)
False info sorry
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:58 am

SkyHigher wrote:
GMR-Megawide again? I would rather prefer the proposal of the so-called NAIA Super Consortium of oligarchs (Ayala-Aboitiz-AGI-Filinvest-JG-MVP-LT) with Changi Airport Group. Having GMR-Megawide as sole airport design and build partner in most of Philippine gateways is already considered a monopoly.

At least they know airports and you see quick results with them. What can the consortium show after dominating the Philippine construction scene for decades except for their private development ventures (granted Ayala had the tranvia of yore and Nielsen Field, while MVP built many toll road networks - (but isn't Metro Pacific foreign controlled too?)



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No.ramon angs bulacan is the premier airport of the tag "MNL"!its the ONLY major airport project.manila deserves a new mega-hub,like their neighboring countries

All well and good...but at the moment it would need the heroics of Kevin Costner to even get to first base...there's a reason the residents there call it "Waterworld"..... :alert: .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NBnCN20Cig

The ground subsidence rate is quite pronounced...and that combined with the sea level rise, storm surges and the perennial flooding make up a deadly cocktail of unending troubles. Not saying those are insurmountable...but it will cost -- DEARLY :!: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign:


SleeplessInZh wrote:
NO NEED TO IMPROVE NAIA,with billions of dollars.a waste of money!

Well, if you could offer a good, practical and timely solution to the country's airport and airspace congestion problems then have at it.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:58 am

Devilfish wrote:
SleeplessInZh wrote:
NO NEED TO IMPROVE NAIA,with billions of dollars.a waste of money!

Well, if you could offer a good, practical and timely solution to the country's airport and airspace congestion problems then have at it.


My suggestion would be to lay a high speed rail connection b/w MNL and CRK. Then transfer all the low profile and LCC flights to CRK while MNL retains FSC. This way both MNL and CRK would compliment each other. Since CRK is getting a new terminal, the only task would to undertake the highspeed rail line which based on other countries like China and Japan, shouldn't take more than 5 yrs to complete especially is the Philippine govt. would outsource it to veterns in the field like Japan.

This way airlines at MNL can issue boarding passes to the connecting pax at CRK and vice versa thus making it seamless.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:51 am

Devilfish wrote:
SkyHigher wrote:
GMR-Megawide again? I would rather prefer the proposal of the so-called NAIA Super Consortium of oligarchs (Ayala-Aboitiz-AGI-Filinvest-JG-MVP/Salim-LT) with Changi Airport Group. Having GMR-Megawide as sole airport design and build partner in most of Philippine gateways is already considered a monopoly.

At least they know airports and you see quick results with them. What can the consortium show after dominating the Philippine construction scene for decades except for their private development ventures (granted Ayala had the tranvia of yore and Nielsen Field, while MVP built many toll road networks - (but isn't Metro Pacific foreign controlled too?)

MPIC is under First Pacific of Anthoni Salim (MVP is the top boss) based in Hong Kong. My point is that I want to give them a try on how can they develop an airport terminal, especially they are partnering with Changi Group to make MNL at par with SIN. I know GMR-Megawide are actually doing great in building and handling the O&M of CEB Terminal 2 and the upcoming CRK Terminal 2 in which O&M is about to be handled by North Luzon Airport Consortium (Filinvest-JG-PAGSS-Changi) where 2 of them (FDC-Changi) were GMCAC's rival during the bidding of the latter.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:15 am

I don't understand why anyone would want SMC to build the new MNL airport when they can't even finish the very small Caticlan Airport... How many years has it been?
GMR will finish the much larger and quality projects of Cebu and Clark before they can even do a small project.... Basag
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:06 pm

EmoticonsAllDay wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
SleeplessInZh wrote:
NO NEED TO IMPROVE NAIA,with billions of dollars.a waste of money!

Well, if you could offer a good, practical and timely solution to the country's airport and airspace congestion problems then have at it.


My suggestion would be to lay a high speed rail connection b/w MNL and CRK. Then transfer all the low profile and LCC flights to CRK while MNL retains FSC. This way both MNL and CRK would compliment each other. Since CRK is getting a new terminal, the only task would to undertake the highspeed rail line which based on other countries like China and Japan, shouldn't take more than 5 yrs to complete especially is the Philippine govt. would outsource it to veterns in the field like Japan.

This way airlines at MNL can issue boarding passes to the connecting pax at CRK and vice versa thus making it seamless.


A high-speed rail won't be too necessary. As you probably know already there is already a railway between Tutuban Station and New Clark City which will have a stop at Clark Airport. Once that's complete they can probably build some kind of extension to MNL Airport. Or maybe they can do something like Keisei's Narita to Haneda limited express trains which pass thru a few Tokyo subway lines to get between those points.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:09 pm

Yeetus787 wrote:

A high-speed rail won't be too necessary. As you probably know already there is already a railway between Tutuban Station and New Clark City which will have a stop at Clark Airport. Once that's complete they can probably build some kind of extension to MNL Airport. Or maybe they can do something like Keisei's Narita to Haneda limited express trains which pass thru a few Tokyo subway lines to get between those points.


The North Rail Project is of least importance to PNR. They are currently focusing on expanding into Manila Port and Laguna. If DOTr should make a new subsidiary under MIAA exclusive for the construction and operation of train services between NAIA and CRK, then it can materialize in the foreseeable future. Later on, PNR can also utilize the line when they are ready to expand into the north.

That said, it would be impossible to consider MNL and CRK as twin airports unless the travel time between the two is less than 1 hour. Today, it takes 4 hours during the rush hour and 2.5 hours during the off peak time usually contributed by the traffic along EDSA. Lets say, PNR accelerates expansion and starts operation between Clark City and Tutuban station. It would still take atleast 2 hours to reach NAIA from Tutuban during the peak hours.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:12 am

EmoticonsAllDay wrote:
Lets say, PNR accelerates expansion and starts operation between Clark City and Tutuban station. It would still take atleast 2 hours to reach NAIA from Tutuban during the peak hours.


Yup, sadly. The only way to solve this is some kind of railway branch line connecting Tutuban to NAIA, which unfortunately isn't being talked about right now.

By the way, in Tokyo, this company Keisei operates a train service between Tokyo Narita and Haneda that takes 1 hour and 5 minutes and part of it runs through a subway line in Tokyo. Something like this sounds like a good way to connect CRK and MNL in my opinion. However it's probably gonna be very difficult to do.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:33 pm

Yeetus787 wrote:
EmoticonsAllDay wrote:
Lets say, PNR accelerates expansion and starts operation between Clark City and Tutuban station. It would still take atleast 2 hours to reach NAIA from Tutuban during the peak hours.


Yup, sadly. The only way to solve this is some kind of railway branch line connecting Tutuban to NAIA, which unfortunately isn't being talked about right now.

There's already an existing line with a stop at Nichols just outside NAIA.....

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All they need to do is isolate and clean up the ROW, modernize the tracks, signalling and control systems all the way...build a nice, secure, air conditioned station there with shuttle bus parking to take passengers inside NAIA...and run dedicated express trains from CRK to MNL at regular intervals. Hopefully, there would be ample ridership to sustain this service...(for it will cost a huge amount of money) as the MM Skyway Stages 3 & 4 and Harbor Link Segment 10 to NLEX are bound to poach passengers from the rail connection.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FewYXKRjUB4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL-Eca9iZh8


Please note the commuter trains in the videos running in the Quirino/Osmena and Paco/Pandacan areas. Potentially more widely beneficial than the touted subway system from BGC to Makati. Of course, they could always opt to build a spur from Nichols or FTI direct into NAIA but this would definitely be a lot more disruptive and certainly more expensive than the other scheme. :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:44 am

I'm not sure if any of you guys know, but the North-South Commuter Railway is now packaged as 1 elevated commuter line from Calamba to New Clark City, with a dedicated spur line to Clark International Airport. The rail line will have bypasses so that both a
local commuter,
commuter express and
airport express operation can seamlessly be operated.

total project cost is approx. USD $15 billion

The total cost of the NSCR, a project of the Department of Transportation (DOTr) and Philippine National Railways (PNR), increased to PhP777,551.07 million from PhP440,881.05. It will be funded through an Official Development Assistance loan support from the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA) and the Asian Development Bank (ADB).

The project will bring together
the NSCR Phase 1 (Malolos-Tutuban),
the PNR South Commuter Railway (Solis-Calamba), and
the Malolos-Clark Railway Project (MCRP), that will create a 147-km elevated, double-track, and seamless connection from Clark International Airport to Calamba, Laguna, with 36 stations.


http://www.neda.gov.ph/2018/11/09/icc-approves-change-in-scope-and-cost-of-north-south-commuter-railway-system/

NAIA will also be connected thanks to the USD $5.31 Billion Metro Manila Subway thats expected to connect Mindanao Ave in Quezon City, to NAIA. (and in the future offer seamless travel to Calamba via using bypass rails on the NSCR tracks) All you would have to do is grab a subway train from NAIA Station to FTI Station and onwards to NSCR starting in 2025.

In March, the Philippine government and the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA) signed the $934.75-million loan agreement to fund the first phase of the project. It is the first tranche of the total $5.31-billion loan requirement pledged by JICA. According to the Department of Finance, it was the biggest amount ever committed by Japan to any country.


https://www.entrepreneur.com.ph/news-and-events/dotr-on-track-to-start-building-ph-s-first-subway-by-dec-2018-eyes-partial-operations-in-1st-qtr-of-2022-a00178-20180620
https://www.jica.go.jp/english/our_w...0000dhvs1p.pdf


In addition, it will connect with the recent ground breaking of the USD $3.7 Billion Makati Subway from Ayala MRT Station to Ospital ng Makati, that will also connect to MRT 3, Pasig River Ferry and the Metro Manila Subway


The 10-station train system spans 10 kilometers with stops in key points around Makati. One of the stations will be near the planned Metro Manila subway so that passengers from one railway can easily transfer to the other.

The system's initial 12 coaches will serve 27,000 passengers per hour, per direction and as many as 40,000 during peak hours, the Makati City government said in a statement.


https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/news/metro/677994/subway-system-groundbreaking-rites-held-in-makati-city/story/
https://news.abs-cbn.com/business/12/12/18/look-makati-subway-breaks-ground-scale-model-unveiled


Plus there is the $2.8 billion China funded rehabilitation and expansion of the PNR Long Haul Railway all the way from Sucat to Matnog Sorsogon.


The Philippines and China on Tuesday exchanged the signed contracts for the Project Management Consultancy (PMC) of the P151-billion, 639-kilometer, Philippine National Railways (PNR) South Long Haul (PNR Bicol) at Malacañang Palace, witnessed by President Rodrigo Duterte and Chinese President Xi Jinping.

https://business.mb.com.ph/2018/11/21/china-to-help-in-p151-b-rehab-and-extension-of-pnr-railway-to-bicol/

Lots happening in terms of rail connectivity. Based on the final draft report of JICA https://www.jica.go.jp/english/our_work/social_environmental/id/asia/southeast/philippines/c8h0vm0000bk9u4d-att/c8h0vm0000dhvs1p.pdf

Starting 2022, you can hypothetically go from MNL-CRK by grabbing a taxi to FTI Station and from 2025 onwards, all you need is to take 1 Subway ride to FTI Station and grab the NSCR Airport Express train which will get you to CRK in:

1 hour & 7 mins
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:33 pm

Trip Report of PAL A321neo business class between MNL-SYD is know available on youtube.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7WNI7ZSm1 ... e=youtu.be
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:16 pm

Finally a josh review!was waiting for this!
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:51 pm

He is also releasing A350 premium economy review from London to Manila in January 2019.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:21 pm

And already gave my comments there.haha!
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:34 am

Im not really into "garuda indonesia" comments.they bash malaysian, same philippine airlines.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:19 am

Does anyone have any info of the CEB ATR72s that were converted to freighters?
 
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Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:19 am

Does anyone have any new info of the CEB ATR72s that were converted to freighters?
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:59 pm

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2018/12/2 ... ue-stream/

Pal should make the moodlighting their own, and create more light-settings.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:43 am

CRK's new O&M is North Luzon Airport Consortium (Filinvest-JG-PAGSS-Changi)
Changi-led consortium to take over Clark airport ops, maintenance

A consortium led by the Changi Airport Group — operator of Singapore's famed Changi Airport — is set to take over the operations and maintenance (O&M) of the Clark International Airport.

In an emailed statement on Thursday, the Bases Conversion and Development Authority (BCDA) said the P5.61-billion contract for the O&M of the CIA was awarded the North Luzon Airport Consortium (NLAC) consortium on December 19.

NLAC counts as members Changi Airports Philippines Pte. Ltd., a fully-owned subsidiary of Changi Airports International Pte. Ltd; Filinvest Development Corp., JG Summit Holdings Inc., and Philippine Airport Ground Support Solutions Inc.


We'll be seeing CRK as Changi Jr. in the next 25 years.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:28 am

Hi i've been researching airline business models and i've gotten confused on on subidiaries operating it's flights for mainlines. For PAL Express it's counted as a "Codeshare Partner" wherein PAL-EX flies under the codes of PAL Mainline and operates it's domestic sector, despite having it's own flight codes, and it flies unders PAL's Livery, so is it technically under a wet lease? like SAS Ireland for example. So to sum up what's the difference of code sharing and wet-leasing in regards to subsidiaries. trying to get more info making a paper for class about airline business models, thanks
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:12 pm

PR's new international timetable is out, and there are a lot of changes afoot:

NEW FLIGHTS/RESUMPTIONS
MNL-DEL (resumption; 4x weekly)
MNL-HAN (new; 4x weekly)
MNL-PNH (new; 5x weekly)

FREQUENCY CHANGES
MNL-BKK (25x weekly from 3x daily)
MNL-CGK (10x weekly from 1x daily)
MNL-KUL (10x weekly from 1x daily)
MNL-LAX (17x weekly from 2x daily)
MNL-KIX (18x weekly from 2x daily)
MNL-SYD (9x weekly from 1x daily)
CEB-NGO (1x daily from 4x weekly)
 
azyazy
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:49 am

Akiestar wrote:
PR's new international timetable is out, and there are a lot of changes afoot:

NEW FLIGHTS/RESUMPTIONS
MNL-DEL (resumption; 4x weekly)
MNL-HAN (new; 4x weekly)
MNL-PNH (new; 5x weekly)

FREQUENCY CHANGES
MNL-BKK (25x weekly from 3x daily)
MNL-CGK (10x weekly from 1x daily)
MNL-KUL (10x weekly from 1x daily)
MNL-LAX (17x weekly from 2x daily)
MNL-KIX (18x weekly from 2x daily)
MNL-SYD (9x weekly from 1x daily)
CEB-NGO (1x daily from 4x weekly)


MNLSYD is shifting to all A21N service, so I think they aim to increase frequency to double daily but maintain capacity.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:41 pm

azyazy wrote:
MNLSYD is shifting to all A21N service, so I think they aim to increase frequency to double daily but maintain capacity.


I thought the A321N is just seasonal and PR uses the A330 (sometimes the A350) for SYD and MEL.

Brisbane uses the A321N.
 
PR77W
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:14 pm

Aremaga wrote:
azyazy wrote:
MNLSYD is shifting to all A21N service, so I think they aim to increase frequency to double daily but maintain capacity.


I thought the A321N is just seasonal and PR uses the A330 (sometimes the A350) for SYD and MEL.

Brisbane uses the A321N.


PAL has been aiming to operate MNL-SYD double daily as far back as 2016, it is only possible by down going from a single weekly flight operated by the A330 to the smaller A21N which could allow PAL to increased frequency. However I read that during the winter season (Christmas), Cargo is pretty lucrative between SYD-MNL and 5J, PR, QF will try to compete for cargo shipments e.t. Balikbayan boxs and Pasalobongs. The A21N is payload restricted due to its small cargo bay and couldn't carry as much cargo as either 5J and QF which both operate A330 between SYD-MNL. So hence why PAL uses either the A330 or A350 between MNL-SYD to better compete with 5J and QF in term of cargo space. I expect that next year PAL will try to increased frequency between MNL-SYD using the A21N and in the winter season will used either A330 or A350.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:18 am

Why don't they refurbish their A320s?i think they are good enough for short international destinations with smaller pax.these planes don't even need ifes,(overhead tv is okay) just the seats have to be changed/lavatory/carpet
However, their older "A321 should not be used"
= only for pal express
They are adding way tooo much more capacity to destinations, than they can handle.they will only use their old aircrafts for these routes...why don't they upgrade first their excisting ones with new planes?i wonder.
I'm surprised by hanoi and phnom pehn as new routes.
 
Jefford717
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:52 am

Akiestar wrote:
PR's new international timetable is out, and there are a lot of changes afoot:

NEW FLIGHTS/RESUMPTIONS
MNL-DEL (resumption; 4x weekly)
MNL-HAN (new; 4x weekly)
MNL-PNH (new; 5x weekly)

FREQUENCY CHANGES
MNL-BKK (25x weekly from 3x daily)
MNL-CGK (10x weekly from 1x daily)
MNL-KUL (10x weekly from 1x daily)
MNL-LAX (17x weekly from 2x daily)
MNL-KIX (18x weekly from 2x daily)
MNL-SYD (9x weekly from 1x daily)
CEB-NGO (1x daily from 4x weekly)


That is so much capacity between LAX-MNL nonstop. I don’t know why non of the 3 US carries would dare to break the monopoly that PAL is enjoying they have the right aircraft to do so. AA and UA could probably start with 787-8 and adjust depending on demand while DL could start with their 772.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:53 am

Jefford717 wrote:
That is so much capacity between LAX-MNL nonstop. I don’t know why non of the 3 US carries would dare to break the monopoly that PAL is enjoying they have the right aircraft to do so. AA and UA could probably start with 787-8 and adjust depending on demand while DL could start with their 772.


PR, I suspect has a lower cost base than the US3, plus in addition to MNL traditionally being a low-yielding VFR/Tourist market. Plus PR would have most of the limited high-yielding premium passengers on the LAX route.

As MNL is mostly a low-yielding VFR/Tourist market, it means that there isn't really that much premium demand for any of the US3 to start competing on the non-stops to MNL (and are happy to leave it to their alliance partners at an asian hub e.g NRT and ICN).
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:30 am

Anyone have any insight into the future of DL in MNL? How much longer will their once daily 767 service last?
 
Philippine747
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:17 pm

SleeplessInZh wrote:
Why don't they refurbish their A320s?i think they are good enough for short international destinations with smaller pax.these planes don't even need ifes,(overhead tv is okay) just the seats have to be changed/lavatory/carpet
However, their older "A321 should not be used"
= only for pal express
They are adding way tooo much more capacity to destinations, than they can handle.they will only use their old aircrafts for these routes...why don't they upgrade first their excisting ones with new planes?i wonder.
I'm surprised by hanoi and phnom pehn as new routes.


Hanoi and Phnom Penh are routes covered by the ASEAN Open Skies agreements, so nice to see PR finally making use of the entitlements and improve connectivity with the ASEAN capitals. The A320 is the smallest aircraft in terms of capacity in the fleet, so its a decent enough aircraft to test the waters. But yes, the A320s need a refit, maybe slap some IFE just like the widebodies ;)

flyingdoc787 wrote:
Anyone have any insight into the future of DL in MNL? How much longer will their once daily 767 service last?


That route is one to watch out for, as it's only a matter of time before the NRT hub is dismantled completely. My guess is that KE will take up the slack, as they have a JV on transpac routes. KE has enough capacity to handle this, they send a daily 773/77W to MNL and an A333 to CEB.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:56 pm

flyingdoc787 wrote:
Anyone have any insight into the future of DL in MNL? How much longer will their once daily 767 service last?


Philippine747 wrote:
That route is one to watch out for, as it's only a matter of time before the NRT hub is dismantled completely. My guess is that KE will take up the slack, as they have a JV on transpac routes. KE has enough capacity to handle this, they send a daily 773/77W to MNL and an A333 to CEB.


MNL-TYO is generally higher-yielding than most routes ex-MNL, so I think DL will continue serving it for as long as it is possible for them to do so. As far as I know, a lot of people still fly DL to the US, particularly to the East Coast. (That aside, there's a reason why there are six carriers flying to TYO from MNL: PR, 5J, NH, JL, DL and GK.)

If DL finally dismantles NRT, I imagine DL will move MNL to a U.S. station that doesn't have a lot of competition from PR (SEA has been floated fairly regularly, for one), rather than discontinue it entirely. DL has a lot of good will and a large FF base based in MNL, and I don't think it would be in their best interest to disregard that if they will pull out.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:07 pm

flyingdoc787 wrote:
Anyone have any insight into the future of DL in MNL? How much longer will
their once daily 767 service last?


So far DL and KE have yet to include MNL as part of the codeshare agreement in there JV. However once they expand there codeshare agreement to included MNL, SIN and maybe even CEB. It only be a matter of time before DL de-hubs NRT and will focus most of there hub flights at ICN or PVG where DL also has a JV with MU.

It is also possible that DL will launch direct flights from the US Mainland probably from SEA which DL has been developing as a Pacific hub In recent years.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:04 pm

PR77W wrote:
Aremaga wrote:
azyazy wrote:
MNLSYD is shifting to all A21N service, so I think they aim to increase frequency to double daily but maintain capacity.


I thought the A321N is just seasonal and PR uses the A330 (sometimes the A350) for SYD and MEL.
Brisbane uses the A321N.


PAL has been aiming to operate MNL-SYD double daily as far back as 2016, it is only possible by down going from a single weekly flight operated by the A330 to the smaller A21N which could allow PAL to increased frequency. However I read that during the winter season (Christmas), Cargo is pretty lucrative between SYD-MNL and 5J, PR, QF will try to compete for cargo shipments e.t. Balikbayan boxs and Pasalobongs. The A21N is payload restricted due to its small cargo bay and couldn't carry as much cargo as either 5J and QF which both operate A330 between SYD-MNL. So hence why PAL uses either the A330 or A350 between MNL-SYD to better compete with 5J and QF in term of cargo space. I expect that next year PAL will try to increased frequency between MNL-SYD using the A21N and in the winter season will used either A330 or A350.


Thanks for the reply. Hoping that passenger traffic increases so PAL eventually uses the A330 on at least one of the two frequencies.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2018

Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:25 am

Aremaga wrote:
PR77W wrote:
Aremaga wrote:

I thought the A321N is just seasonal and PR uses the A330 (sometimes the A350) for SYD and MEL.
Brisbane uses the A321N.


PAL has been aiming to operate MNL-SYD double daily as far back as 2016, it is only possible by down going from a single weekly flight operated by the A330 to the smaller A21N which could allow PAL to increased frequency. However I read that during the winter season (Christmas), Cargo is pretty lucrative between SYD-MNL and 5J, PR, QF will try to compete for cargo shipments e.t. Balikbayan boxs and Pasalobongs. The A21N is payload restricted due to its small cargo bay and couldn't carry as much cargo as either 5J and QF which both operate A330 between SYD-MNL. So hence why PAL uses either the A330 or A350 between MNL-SYD to better compete with 5J and QF in term of cargo space. I expect that next year PAL will try to increased frequency between MNL-SYD using the A21N and in the winter season will used either A330 or A350.


Thanks for the reply. Hoping that passenger traffic increases so PAL eventually uses the A330 on at least one of the two frequencies.


If the ASA would allow it. I'm not sure how many seats are currently utilized by PH carriers. 5J also flies to SYD daily.

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