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digitalman12
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:32 pm

skyspa wrote:
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Any updates on AUS ?

On April 24, an IB A330, DY 787, and a BA 747 might all be on the ground at the same time. Not news, but exciting!

What is the IB A330 doing there?
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:44 pm

digitalman12 wrote:
skyspa wrote:
Capn wrote:
Any updates on AUS ?

On April 24, an IB A330, DY 787, and a BA 747 might all be on the ground at the same time. Not news, but exciting!

What is the IB A330 doing there?

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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:13 pm

skyspa wrote:
Capn wrote:
Any updates on AUS ?

On April 24, an IB A330, DY 787, and a BA 747 might all be on the ground at the same time. Not news, but exciting!


IB? What are they doing here?
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:47 am

Delta Connection to resume service to Cincinnati on CRJ700

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -may-2018/
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:53 am

http://www.aviationpros.com/press_relea ... blic-route

Anyone else never heard of Vacation Express? I can't even find a picture of one of their planes.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:05 am

colindm wrote:
http://www.aviationpros.com/press_release/12347477/vacation-express-announces-new-austin-to-punta-cana-dominican-republic-route

Anyone else never heard of Vacation Express? I can't even find a picture of one of their planes.


It’s operated by SwiftAir...also, no.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:18 am

khowaga wrote:
colindm wrote:
http://www.aviationpros.com/press_release/12347477/vacation-express-announces-new-austin-to-punta-cana-dominican-republic-route

Anyone else never heard of Vacation Express? I can't even find a picture of one of their planes.


It’s operated by SwiftAir...also, no.


They fly 737-400s, so a bit weird...
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:08 am

Not news either but noticed both FedEx and UPS are bringing in 757s more often on top of their usual A306 and DC10 ops. As a 757 fan, I'm happy for it but does anyone know why? Is there an uptick in cargo ops this time of year?
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:36 am

IB A330, BA747 and all of the normal AA flights...that Admiral's Club is going to be jam packed. I think I'll avoid flying that day.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:45 am

Does anyone else think that it is a bit ridiculous that EK has service to FLL daily but not even seasonal AUS service?
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:05 am

colindm wrote:
Does anyone else think that it is a bit ridiculous that EK has service to FLL daily but not even seasonal AUS service?


No. Why would they serve AUS right now? They are a mid-sized market with limited overseas service to begin with. Yes, they are growing fast, but they aren't anywhere near ready for a flight from any of the ME3 right now. FLL is part of the Miami MSA which is over double the size of the Austin MSA. Plus, they only are at FLL because of the B6 codeshare.

EK is already at DFW and IAH. No need for them to serve AUS right now or for the foreseeable future. The next best bet for AUS overseas service is DL to AMS.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:07 am

colindm wrote:
Does anyone else think that it is a bit ridiculous that EK has service to FLL daily but not even seasonal AUS service?


No not at all
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:19 am

Midwestindy wrote:
colindm wrote:
Does anyone else think that it is a bit ridiculous that EK has service to FLL daily but not even seasonal AUS service?


No not at all


Agreed. I think EK in AUS would steal enough of BA’s connecting traffic to kill the BA flight, which is not a positive in a market that is still trying to mature. I’m even nervous about the effect a daily flight to AMS would have.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:33 am

khowaga wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
colindm wrote:
Does anyone else think that it is a bit ridiculous that EK has service to FLL daily but not even seasonal AUS service?


No not at all


Agreed. I think EK in AUS would steal enough of BA’s connecting traffic to kill the BA flight, which is not a positive in a market that is still trying to mature. I’m even nervous about the effect a daily flight to AMS would have.


I disagree about AMS. I think both could coexist just fine. I doubt DL would start AMS daily, probably 4x a week or so to start. Remember, AUS has the advantage of drawing people from San Antonio as well, so the market may be a little bigger than we think. If RDU can support two TATL flights, AUS can.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:38 am

ADrum23 wrote:
khowaga wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

No not at all


Agreed. I think EK in AUS would steal enough of BA’s connecting traffic to kill the BA flight, which is not a positive in a market that is still trying to mature. I’m even nervous about the effect a daily flight to AMS would have.


I disagree about AMS. I think both could coexist just fine. I doubt DL would start AMS daily, probably 4x a week or so to start. Remember, AUS has the advantage of drawing people from San Antonio as well, so the market may be a little bigger than we think. If RDU can support two TATL flights, AUS can.


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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:48 am

Anyone know if part of the current apron expansion around the new terminal include a new taxiway between the NE corner of the terminal apron and the piano keys of 17L? That would slightly decrease taxi time for the departures of 17L and 17R alike.
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:42 am

It does not. The incline is too great to connect the ramp to taxiway Bravo near 17L.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:37 pm

[/quote]

Agreed. I think EK in AUS would steal enough of BA’s connecting traffic to kill the BA flight, which is not a positive in a market that is still trying to mature. I’m even nervous about the effect a daily flight to AMS would have.[/quote]

A cursory look at a map might suggest moving to EK would require a lot of backtracking compared to BA via LHR. Not too attractive.
A daily AMS flight would for sure offer good European connectivity but I believe a good portion of the flight is O&D year with some seasonal event driven high demand across a wider catchment
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:52 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
colindm wrote:
Does anyone else think that it is a bit ridiculous that EK has service to FLL daily but not even seasonal AUS service?


No not at all
It's ridiculous how a certain market in the Midwest with the largest concentrated Arab population in the Western Hemisphere doesn't even have daily Middle East service yet.
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:13 pm

colindm wrote:
Does anyone else think that it is a bit ridiculous that EK has service to FLL daily but not even seasonal AUS service?


I find it ridiculous that FLL has EK service. I see nothing odd about AUS lacking EK service.
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:29 pm

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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:21 pm

mutu wrote:

Agreed. I think EK in AUS would steal enough of BA’s connecting traffic to kill the BA flight, which is not a positive in a market that is still trying to mature. I’m even nervous about the effect a daily flight to AMS would have.


A cursory look at a map might suggest moving to EK would require a lot of backtracking compared to BA via LHR. Not too attractive.
A daily AMS flight would for sure offer good European connectivity but I believe a good portion of the flight is O&D year with some seasonal event driven high demand across a wider catchment


Yes, I am aware of the basic geography. However, BA does carry a lot of connection traffic to India, which tends to be more price sensitive than brand loyal, and EK regularly advertise fares to Southern Europe from the US—even as far as Rome and Barcelona. The routing seems insane to me, but if the price is right...

I would be interested to see your statistics regarding the O&D versus connecting traffic at LHR and for a potential AMS route.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:26 pm

malev2012 wrote:


@malev2012 slipped this in under the radar, but if the trend holds AUS will probably exceed 15 million passengers this year.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:58 am

flymco753 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
colindm wrote:
Does anyone else think that it is a bit ridiculous that EK has service to FLL daily but not even seasonal AUS service?


No not at all
It's ridiculous how a certain market in the Midwest with the largest concentrated Arab population in the Western Hemisphere doesn't even have daily Middle East service yet.



I had no idea there was even an arab community at all in Austin, the Vietnamese community however is very big (5-10% of where I live)
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:06 am

colindm wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

No not at all
It's ridiculous how a certain market in the Midwest with the largest concentrated Arab population in the Western Hemisphere doesn't even have daily Middle East service yet.



I had no idea there was even an arab community at all in Austin, the Vietnamese community however is very big (5-10% of where I live)


I think he was making an underhanded reference to DTW, which only has like 2x weekly service on RJ. AUS has a tiny Arab population.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:06 am

khowaga wrote:
malev2012 wrote:


@malev2012 slipped this in under the radar, but if the trend holds AUS will probably exceed 15 million passengers this year.


And then they'll exceed the amount of pax the new addition was suppose to accommodate before it even opens.......

Any word on what the next addition will be?
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:11 am

ADrum23 wrote:
khowaga wrote:
malev2012 wrote:


@malev2012 slipped this in under the radar, but if the trend holds AUS will probably exceed 15 million passengers this year.


And then they'll exceed the amount of pax the new addition was suppose to accommodate before it even opens.......

Any word on what the next addition will be?


So, according to one version it should be two piers jutting out from the main terminal to the south; popular opinion is that the one that extends from the higher numbered gates (where AA is) would be built first and the one to the east would be built later.

That said, they’re doing the public meetings on the master plans now—there’s another one next week, so I don’t know if the pier extension is set in stone or just a concept that may be replaced. There is a lot of popular support for a midfield terminal, which would make sense given the minimal disruption to the current terminal.

But, yes, at this rate of growth the next expansion will follow on the current one pretty quickly.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:13 am

I think that people are underestimating the growth that Austin will go through in the next 10-20 years, even conservatively Austin will hit 25 million by 2030, possibly even 30-35 million.

What routes do you think we can expect by the time Austin doubles it's current passenger total*?

* It will likely double it's capacity by the mid 2020's
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:20 am

colindm wrote:
I think that people are underestimating the growth that Austin will go through in the next 10-20 years, even conservatively Austin will hit 25 million by 2030, possibly even 30-35 million.

What routes do you think we can expect by the time Austin doubles it's current passenger total*?

* It will likely double it's capacity by the mid 2020's


But where will all that growth come from absent a hub of some sorts? Right now, there really isn't a hub at AUS for any carrier.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:31 am

ADrum23 wrote:
colindm wrote:
I think that people are underestimating the growth that Austin will go through in the next 10-20 years, even conservatively Austin will hit 25 million by 2030, possibly even 30-35 million.

What routes do you think we can expect by the time Austin doubles it's current passenger total*?

* It will likely double it's capacity by the mid 2020's


But where will all that growth come from absent a hub of some sorts? Right now, there really isn't a hub at AUS for any carrier.


^^^
Airport growth is not linear, there are peaks and valleys. AUS is definitely a high-growth market, but like any other airport, pax growth will eventually growth will level off unless a hub is built. 30-35 million is still ambitious for around 10 years down the road, that is the size of DEN, JFK, and DFW.
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:42 am

Midwestindy wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
colindm wrote:
I think that people are underestimating the growth that Austin will go through in the next 10-20 years, even conservatively Austin will hit 25 million by 2030, possibly even 30-35 million.

What routes do you think we can expect by the time Austin doubles it's current passenger total*?

* It will likely double it's capacity by the mid 2020's


But where will all that growth come from absent a hub of some sorts? Right now, there really isn't a hub at AUS for any carrier.


^^^
Airport growth is not linear, there are peaks and valleys. AUS is definitely a high-growth market, but like any other airport, pax growth will eventually growth will level off unless a hub is built. 30-35 million is still ambitious for around 10 years down the road, that is the size of DEN, JFK, and DFW.


Looking at the traffic data graphs, it seems to just keep growing and growing, I wonder what will cause those numbers to saturate or slow down eventually.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:23 am

Not quite Bergstrom but KEDC (Austin Executive) is getting a runway extension. Big news and a good sign for them. Couldn't find details on when and how long the extension will be but surely a sign for the need to accommodate larger/heavier aircraft.

http://www.austinexecutiveairport.com/plan.html
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:54 am

N626AA wrote:
Not quite Bergstrom but KEDC (Austin Executive) is getting a runway extension. Big news and a good sign for them. Couldn't find details on when and how long the extension will be but surely a sign for the need to accommodate larger/heavier aircraft.

http://www.austinexecutiveairport.com/plan.html


Widening it would certainly help. Not sure if 737s typically land on runways less than 150 feet wide.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:36 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
colindm wrote:
I think that people are underestimating the growth that Austin will go through in the next 10-20 years, even conservatively Austin will hit 25 million by 2030, possibly even 30-35 million.

What routes do you think we can expect by the time Austin doubles it's current passenger total*?

* It will likely double it's capacity by the mid 2020's


But where will all that growth come from absent a hub of some sorts? Right now, there really isn't a hub at AUS for any carrier.


^^^
Airport growth is not linear, there are peaks and valleys. AUS is definitely a high-growth market, but like any other airport, pax growth will eventually growth will level off unless a hub is built. 30-35 million is still ambitious for around 10 years down the road, that is the size of DEN, JFK, and DFW.


Not necessarily, Austin has seen 15-20% yearly growth which is unparalleled for a city is size, and shows no signs of stopping.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:25 pm

And it's not just Austin. The I-35 corridor from San Antonio to north of Austin had been expanding rapidly. New Braunfels, for example, had a little over 30k population 10 years ago but is now over 60k. The other towns in between Austin and San Antonio are growing at similar paces. The San Marcos mayor was recently fact checked because they claimed the city would grow by 50% over the next 20 years. Turns out, the fact checkers found the claim was an underestimate. The consultant group that did the study the mayor quoted actually predicted around 83% growth in population.

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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:26 pm

colindm wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:

But where will all that growth come from absent a hub of some sorts? Right now, there really isn't a hub at AUS for any carrier.


^^^
Airport growth is not linear, there are peaks and valleys. AUS is definitely a high-growth market, but like any other airport, pax growth will eventually growth will level off unless a hub is built. 30-35 million is still ambitious for around 10 years down the road, that is the size of DEN, JFK, and DFW.


Not necessarily, Austin has seen 15-20% yearly growth which is unparalleled for a city is size, and shows no signs of stopping.


It's 2-3% yearly. That's still quite high, but far below your assertion. Look no further than IAH and DFW for similar growth rates, but there are many more cities growing at a 2+% rate. I suspect it won't be long before DEN eclipses AUS's rate.
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:40 pm

RDUDDJI wrote:
colindm wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

^^^
Airport growth is not linear, there are peaks and valleys. AUS is definitely a high-growth market, but like any other airport, pax growth will eventually growth will level off unless a hub is built. 30-35 million is still ambitious for around 10 years down the road, that is the size of DEN, JFK, and DFW.


Not necessarily, Austin has seen 15-20% yearly growth which is unparalleled for a city is size, and shows no signs of stopping.


It's 2-3% yearly. That's still quite high, but far below your assertion. Look no further than IAH and DFW for similar growth rates, but there are many more cities growing at a 2+% rate. I suspect it won't be long before DEN eclipses AUS's rate.


It’s not a competition. This isn’t a zero sum game. AUS can grow, and DEN can grow. These things can both happen and have pretty much no impact on the other.

That said, if I’m not mistaken two of the fastest growing counties in the US (Hays and Williamson) are well within the AUS cachement area. AUS metro is growing faster than San Antonio metro, and if current rates hold, Austin will surpass San Antonio as the third largest city in Texas in the next decade or two.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:40 pm

N626AA wrote:
Not quite Bergstrom but KEDC (Austin Executive) is getting a runway extension. Big news and a good sign for them. Couldn't find details on when and how long the extension will be but surely a sign for the need to accommodate larger/heavier aircraft.

http://www.austinexecutiveairport.com/plan.html


They also recently opened an air traffic control tower that's open during the day.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:55 pm

khowaga wrote:
RDUDDJI wrote:
colindm wrote:

Not necessarily, Austin has seen 15-20% yearly growth which is unparalleled for a city is size, and shows no signs of stopping.


It's 2-3% yearly. That's still quite high, but far below your assertion. Look no further than IAH and DFW for similar growth rates, but there are many more cities growing at a 2+% rate. I suspect it won't be long before DEN eclipses AUS's rate.


It’s not a competition. This isn’t a zero sum game. AUS can grow, and DEN can grow. These things can both happen and have pretty much no impact on the other.

That said, if I’m not mistaken two of the fastest growing counties in the US (Hays and Williamson) are well within the AUS cachement area. AUS metro is growing faster than San Antonio metro, and if current rates hold, Austin will surpass San Antonio as the third largest city in Texas in the next decade or two.


Statistics: The Austin metro area grew at 2.9% between 2015 and 2016; 2.3% between 2016 and 2017. For the latter year Austin was the 10th fastest growing metro area in the US, and 3rd in Texas behind Dallas and Fort Worth (which were counted separately for some reason). Nashville was in the number 1 spot, which, in terms of this forum, also makes sense.

Economic growth impact is measured differently, but I suspect that’s where colindm got the 15% figure as that seems to be about average.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:47 am

AUS will never reach 30-35m in the "projected" timeframe if it doesn't get a hub carrier. Austin is obviously growing fast and it has a strong economy, but that kind of growth is never permanent. What's to say that another economic downturn won't knock the performance back to earth? It's good to implenent planning strategies but I think it's wasteful to assume they will double capacity in such a short time frame.

And to the guy saying that AUS is growing at 20% YoY, that would indicate growth to 136 billion passengers in 50 years if compounded (which it always is). Please check your statistics.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:35 am

jubguy3 wrote:
AUS will never reach 30-35m in the "projected" timeframe if it doesn't get a hub carrier. Austin is obviously growing fast and it has a strong economy, but that kind of growth is never permanent. What's to say that another economic downturn won't knock the performance back to earth? It's good to implenent planning strategies but I think it's wasteful to assume they will double capacity in such a short time frame.

And to the guy saying that AUS is growing at 20% YoY, that would indicate growth to 136 billion passengers in 50 years if compounded (which it always is). Please check your statistics.


Perhaps US Global Airways (formerly Baltia) could chose AUS as their hub?
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:47 am

malev2012 wrote:
jubguy3 wrote:
AUS will never reach 30-35m in the "projected" timeframe if it doesn't get a hub carrier. Austin is obviously growing fast and it has a strong economy, but that kind of growth is never permanent. What's to say that another economic downturn won't knock the performance back to earth? It's good to implenent planning strategies but I think it's wasteful to assume they will double capacity in such a short time frame.

And to the guy saying that AUS is growing at 20% YoY, that would indicate growth to 136 billion passengers in 50 years if compounded (which it always is). Please check your statistics.


Perhaps US Global Airways (formerly Baltia) could chose AUS as their hub?


I am making an airline called super big mega cool airways. I'm going to fly a fleet of 12,000 A380s, every passenger will pay 1 cent for a first class ticket. AUS will be my hub
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:16 am

N626AA wrote:
Not quite Bergstrom but KEDC (Austin Executive) is getting a runway extension. Big news and a good sign for them. Couldn't find details on when and how long the extension will be but surely a sign for the need to accommodate larger/heavier aircraft.

http://www.austinexecutiveairport.com/plan.html


Tap the brakes on that. That is a master plan, and far from an official one, at that. This won't happen for quite a while yet. I'd actually expect Georgetown to extend 18/36 before EDC gets theirs extended. GTU is much further down the master plan process than EDC is.

13/31 is a brand new piece of pavement. If there was a pressing need for it to be longer, they would have built it that way from the outset.
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:54 am

Longhornmaniac wrote:
N626AA wrote:
Not quite Bergstrom but KEDC (Austin Executive) is getting a runway extension. Big news and a good sign for them. Couldn't find details on when and how long the extension will be but surely a sign for the need to accommodate larger/heavier aircraft.

http://www.austinexecutiveairport.com/plan.html


Tap the brakes on that. That is a master plan, and far from an official one, at that. This won't happen for quite a while yet. I'd actually expect Georgetown to extend 18/36 before EDC gets theirs extended. GTU is much further down the master plan process than EDC is.

13/31 is a brand new piece of pavement. If there was a pressing need for it to be longer, they would have built it that way from the outset.


How far is this airport from AUS? It seems as if it was built under the approach to AUS.
 
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Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:24 am

It's about 15 miles Northeast of Bergstrom. I live fairly close to KEDC and inbound air traffic to KAUS 17L and 17R coming from the North and East often flies over my neighborhood and KEDC but I'd say that traffic is still a good 3K to 5K feet in the air.
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Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:22 pm

khowaga wrote:
RDUDDJI wrote:
colindm wrote:

Not necessarily, Austin has seen 15-20% yearly growth which is unparalleled for a city is size, and shows no signs of stopping.


It's 2-3% yearly. That's still quite high, but far below your assertion. Look no further than IAH and DFW for similar growth rates, but there are many more cities growing at a 2+% rate. I suspect it won't be long before DEN eclipses AUS's rate.


It’s not a competition. This isn’t a zero sum game. AUS can grow, and DEN can grow. These things can both happen and have pretty much no impact on the other.

That said, if I’m not mistaken two of the fastest growing counties in the US (Hays and Williamson) are well within the AUS cachement area. AUS metro is growing faster than San Antonio metro, and if current rates hold, Austin will surpass San Antonio as the third largest city in Texas in the next decade or two.


San Antonio is the second largest city in Texas. Dallas is third largest, followed by Austin in fourth and Fort Worth in fifth.
 
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Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:23 pm

Joeblow wrote:
khowaga wrote:
RDUDDJI wrote:

It's 2-3% yearly. That's still quite high, but far below your assertion. Look no further than IAH and DFW for similar growth rates, but there are many more cities growing at a 2+% rate. I suspect it won't be long before DEN eclipses AUS's rate.


It’s not a competition. This isn’t a zero sum game. AUS can grow, and DEN can grow. These things can both happen and have pretty much no impact on the other.

That said, if I’m not mistaken two of the fastest growing counties in the US (Hays and Williamson) are well within the AUS cachement area. AUS metro is growing faster than San Antonio metro, and if current rates hold, Austin will surpass San Antonio as the third largest city in Texas in the next decade or two.


San Antonio is the second largest city in Texas. Dallas is third largest, followed by Austin in fourth and Fort Worth in fifth.


Sorry, I should have said metro area, since that was what I was discussing.
 
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Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:45 pm

N626AA wrote:
It's about 15 miles Northeast of Bergstrom. I live fairly close to KEDC and inbound air traffic to KAUS 17L and 17R coming from the North and East often flies over my neighborhood and KEDC but I'd say that traffic is still a good 3K to 5K feet in the air.


Thanks. I understand the need for a business airport ( not sure how much general aviation is there) and at the time, there was nothing on tollway 130 (that's changing now), its just an odd place to put an airport in comparison to AUS. Thank you again for the pattern explanation.
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:25 am

I agree with ya. I'm sure someone on here knows more details regarding the location chosen but the airport has been in operation technically since the '60s and was known as Bird's Nest airport before becoming Austin Executive in 2011. It had a much smaller runway and if I recall, was primarily used for old tail-draggers to fly banners over the Austin area.
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