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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:41 am

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The South Terminal isn’t THAT small. Even at 12-16 flights a day, that’s only 1-2 planes on the ground at once. They usually have a plane sitting on the RON/MX pad until late in the morning anyway.

Since G4 is already operating up to 5 flights a day and Via air has 5 RJ per day, additional 12-16 would have been too much for the terminal. Instead, F9 is to operate 6-8 flights a day from 11/15. I can see that G4 and F9 don't have more than 2 flights at once. Hope F9 lowers cost enough to bring back all those flights next summer.


Don’t think Via Air are going to be having any RJ on any day from what I’m seeing. It is typical for F9 to shrink their schedule this time of year as they focus on “North/South flying” during the winter months.
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:39 am

I wonder if the two could be related - maybe some regional airline is buying Via and rebranding? I could imagine someone like Silver doing it to get access to Via's jets and pilots.
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:00 am

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I wonder if the two could be related - maybe some regional airline is buying Via and rebranding? I could imagine someone like Silver doing it to get access to Via's jets and pilots.


Silver is already going through a merger with Seaborne and trying to get their ATR certified to fly in the US. I doubt they have the resources to also buy Via.
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:20 pm

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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:48 pm

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https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/spirit-airlines-announces-plans-for-flights-at-abia


32 new gates...???

Anyway, the article doesn't specify but I'm guessing NK will use the south terminal.
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:01 pm

Western727 wrote:
malev2012 wrote:
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/spirit-airlines-announces-plans-for-flights-at-abia


32 new gates...???

Anyway, the article doesn't specify but I'm guessing NK will use the south terminal.

Typical local news they are confusing long range master plan with additional 9 gates opening in a few months.

I highly doubt the south terminal as it is full with G4 VC and F9
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:40 pm

I'm seeing nonstop AUS- DEN, ORD, LAS, FLL, DTW, MCO, BWI, LAX and MSY on NK's site.
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:16 pm

That’s a pretty large expansion. Good on nk.
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:17 pm

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I'm seeing nonstop AUS- DEN, ORD, LAS, FLL, DTW, MCO, BWI, LAX and MSY on NK's site.


wow big start. Congrats to AUS!
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:06 pm

This should drive down some prices out of AUS. Will be interesting to see WN and AA’s responses.
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:12 pm

Will NK use the South Terminal? That many flights will probably be too much with F9, G4, e.t.c, +NK on top of that. They will probably get their own gate if they are offering 9 daily flights.

http://ir.spirit.com/news-releases/news ... gs-its-low
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:14 pm

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Will NK use the South Terminal? That many flights will probably be too much with F9, G4, e.t.c, +NK on top of that


Doubtful it could handle that much. Looks like a 14FEB start date and all routes are daily.
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:06 pm

malev2012 wrote:
Western727 wrote:
malev2012 wrote:
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/spirit-airlines-announces-plans-for-flights-at-abia


32 new gates...???

Anyway, the article doesn't specify but I'm guessing NK will use the south terminal.


I highly doubt the south terminal as it is full with G4 VC and F9


I agree with you as well as ragincajun01 and midwestindy. Still, we all know that G4 and F9 are more or less on the same "level" as NK, so it'll be interesting to see where NK ends up operating its AUS flights from. The airport's website at http://www.austintexas.gov/airport doesn't have any information on that yet, either.
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:17 pm

AUS just confirmed on Twitter that NK will operate out of the main terminal.
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:25 pm

rajincajun01 wrote:
AUS just confirmed on Twitter that NK will operate out of the main terminal.


Thank you, kindly!

So...follow-up question. 2/14 suggests that the new terminal expansion will open by then...yes? I can't imagine the current terminal with the temp gates will have room for 9 additional dailies.
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:26 pm

rajincajun01 wrote:
AUS just confirmed on Twitter that NK will operate out of the main terminal.

Do we know what gate(s) they will be operating out of...? I'm not too familiar with AUS, so I don't know what gates are even available to use, but I do know that it is pretty limited there...
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:44 pm

Western727 wrote:
rajincajun01 wrote:
AUS just confirmed on Twitter that NK will operate out of the main terminal.


Thank you, kindly!

So...follow-up question. 2/14 suggests that the new terminal expansion will open by then...yes? I can't imagine the current terminal with the temp gates will have room for 9 additional dailies.


LAX won’t start until May apparently, so that only leaves 8. F9 is out of the main terminal so that should alleviate a a bit of that. A couple of the city gates on the West side of the terminal are not maxed out yet either.

Terminal expansion is scheduled to open late Spring.
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:10 pm

rajincajun01 wrote:
Western727 wrote:
rajincajun01 wrote:
AUS just confirmed on Twitter that NK will operate out of the main terminal.


Thank you, kindly!

So...follow-up question. 2/14 suggests that the new terminal expansion will open by then...yes? I can't imagine the current terminal with the temp gates will have room for 9 additional dailies.


LAX won’t start until May apparently, so that only leaves 8. F9 is out of the main terminal so that should alleviate a a bit of that. A couple of the city gates on the West side of the terminal are not maxed out yet either.

Terminal expansion is scheduled to open late Spring.


I wish the airport would at least attach a month to the opening date of the expansion. Can't be more than 6 months away at this point.
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:11 pm

It was said on another forum that the expansion will start to open in January/February with the gates on the north side opening first. The gates on the south side will take longer to open because the ‘stinger’ gates at 3, 3A, and 4 have to be removed. The one at gate 2 is closing tomorrow, November 15, as Frontier is leaving and BA can use gate 3, which is also equipped for a widebody.

Then the new jetbridges have to be installed on the south side, so all 9 new gates won’t be operational until late spring.
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:21 pm

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It was said on another forum that the expansion will start to open in January/February with the gates on the north side opening first. The gates on the south side will take longer to open because the ‘stinger’ gates at 3, 3A, and 4 have to be removed (the one at 2 is closing November 15). Then the new jetbridges have to be installed, so all 9 new gates won’t be operational until late spring.


That makes perfect sense. Closing the easternmost stinger (gate 2) will be necessary for aircraft to access the new north side gates. But that means the loss of a gate...theoretically alleviated by F9 moving to the south terminal. Then...the northern gates being operational means that the 3 remaining stinger gates can be removed to make way for the "normal" jetways to then open by late spring. Thank you, khowaga!
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:24 pm

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khowaga wrote:
It was said on another forum that the expansion will start to open in January/February with the gates on the north side opening first. The gates on the south side will take longer to open because the ‘stinger’ gates at 3, 3A, and 4 have to be removed (the one at 2 is closing November 15). Then the new jetbridges have to be installed, so all 9 new gates won’t be operational until late spring.


That makes perfect sense. Closing the easternmost stinger (gate 2) will be necessary for aircraft to access the new north side gates. But that means the loss of a gate...theoretically alleviated by F9 moving to the south terminal. Then...the northern gates being operational means that the 3 remaining stinger gates can be removed to make way for the "normal" jetways to then open by late spring. Thank you, khowaga!


I can’t take credit for the info, just sharing what someone else who knows more reported :D
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:48 pm

Wander what will happen to those "seems like a mile long" stinger jetways ? Reconfigured or scrap yard.
 
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:49 am

Congrats to NK and AUS. Here's March and June (before and after the beginning of LAX) Monday departure schedule:

March:
730 DTW
915 BWI
1035 MCO
1235 ORD
1530 MSY
1715 FLL
1930 DEN
2115 LAS

June:
700 DTW
915 BWI
1005 DEN
1235 MCO
1525 LAX
1820 ORD
1925 FLL
2115 LAS
2115 MSY

In June, DTW-AUS is 1810-2020, making it convenient for a business trip. Single gate appears to be sufficient for most of the day including the peak hours (morning and late afternoon).
 
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:38 pm

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Wander what will happen to those "seems like a mile long" stinger jetways ? Reconfigured or scrap yard.


This is only a guess, but I bet the mobile portions will get reconfigured for use at the future "real" gates they now abut, while the stationary portions get scrapped or and/or possibly repurposed for use elsewhere.
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:53 pm

What's the expected wait time for the FAA to approve the new master plan for the AUS? Early 2019?
 
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:14 pm

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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:26 pm

A report was received that someone was shooting at planes and a ground stop order was issued. ABIA put out a statement at 2:16 PM that departures have resumed on one of the runways.

More info: http://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/austin/ ... n-airport-
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:13 pm

Per yesterday's schedule extension, WN is adding a daily AUS-RDU from June 2019. I counted roughly and it appears WN is to operate ~78 daily flights next summer which I think is a record.
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:51 pm

RDU is a great add. I think you will see F9 drop the route soon with DL also on the route. There isn’t enough demand for three carriers yet.

We also now know how WN will use one of their blocks at their two new gates they will be getting.
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:56 pm

How many gates will wn have after adding those 2?
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:05 pm

RDU is a great add. I think you will see F9 drop the route soon with DL also on the route. There isn’t enough demand for three carriers yet.

We also now know how WN will use one of their blocks at their two new gates they will be getting.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:34 am

tphuang wrote:
How many gates will wn have after adding those 2?


Eight.
 
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:12 pm

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What's the expected wait time for the FAA to approve the new master plan for the AUS? Early 2019?


Could take up to 6 months.
 
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:28 pm

F9 moved to the South Terminal about two weeks ago. Any word on operations since adding so much capacity at once? They did the switch after ending seasonal routes, nonetheless its still a lot for that little building.
 
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:41 pm

Parking was a nightmare for Thanksgiving. There was no parking available at South Terminal from two days before Thanksgiving until Friday. You were forced to shuttle from the main terminal or ride share once parking at the main terminal filled
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:07 pm

I hope the chill vibe in the South Terminal is not ruined by higher pax counts from Frontier.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:24 pm

Apple's plans of building a new campus in Austin looks like it has the potential for an excess of 10,000 more teach jobs in the city. Not quite the hype of Amazon HQ2, but still substantial! Is this news big enough for airlines to jump on for excess frequencies and new routes?

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/13/67636664 ... 5-000-jobs
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:56 pm

tkoenig95 wrote:
Apple's plans of building a new campus in Austin looks like it has the potential for an excess of 10,000 more teach jobs in the city. Not quite the hype of Amazon HQ2, but still substantial! Is this news big enough for airlines to jump on for excess frequencies and new routes?

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/13/67636664 ... 5-000-jobs


I doubt anything directly connected, but with more corporate travel and disposable income it will support more air service. I think the in the near term we will see some more upgaging as new gates after the 9 added next year will be at least 4 years away.
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:58 pm

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tkoenig95 wrote:
Apple's plans of building a new campus in Austin looks like it has the potential for an excess of 10,000 more teach jobs in the city. Not quite the hype of Amazon HQ2, but still substantial! Is this news big enough for airlines to jump on for excess frequencies and new routes?

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/13/67636664 ... 5-000-jobs


Theoretically which routes would be used other than SFO (actually SJC)? We’ve got several nerd birds now (WN, AS, and F9). Maybe upgauge from AS to mainline if it’s significant. AUS-SAN is getting upgauged to mainline now, on a side note.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:12 pm

April 1 for the mainline AS AUS-SAN on a 738.

The new morning SJC has grown quite well for AS. Far from being mainline though.
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:45 pm

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I hope the chill vibe in the South Terminal is not ruined by higher pax counts from Frontier.


Someone posted in another forum that he was there (twice) when Frontier, Allegiant, and Via all had flights going out and that the terminal was at standing room only capacity. I think they’re really pushing that food court deck outside as part of the capacity, which ain’t gonna work when it’s cold, raining, or in midsummer.
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:02 am

khowaga wrote:
william wrote:
I hope the chill vibe in the South Terminal is not ruined by higher pax counts from Frontier.


Someone posted in another forum that he was there (twice) when Frontier, Allegiant, and Via all had flights going out and that the terminal was at standing room only capacity. I think they’re really pushing that food court deck outside as part of the capacity, which ain’t gonna work when it’s cold, raining, or in midsummer.


Afraid this was going to happen...............Good bye South Terminal Oasis.
 
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Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:24 pm

khowaga wrote:
william wrote:
I hope the chill vibe in the South Terminal is not ruined by higher pax counts from Frontier.


Someone posted in another forum that he was there (twice) when Frontier, Allegiant, and Via all had flights going out and that the terminal was at standing room only capacity. I think they’re really pushing that food court deck outside as part of the capacity, which ain’t gonna work when it’s cold, raining, or in midsummer.


And the proposed 2040 master plan was needed...yesterday. It's just mind-boggling how the city's growth continues. With Apple's recent announcement of a $1B expansion (https://www.statesman.com/news/20181217/why-apple-chose-austin-for-major-hub) with at least 5,000 new jobs in 30-36 months...and up to 15k new jobs down the road...the sense of urgency just keeps growing.
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Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:34 pm

Western727 wrote:
khowaga wrote:
william wrote:
I hope the chill vibe in the South Terminal is not ruined by higher pax counts from Frontier.


Someone posted in another forum that he was there (twice) when Frontier, Allegiant, and Via all had flights going out and that the terminal was at standing room only capacity. I think they’re really pushing that food court deck outside as part of the capacity, which ain’t gonna work when it’s cold, raining, or in midsummer.


And the proposed 2040 master plan was needed...yesterday. It's just mind-boggling how the city's growth continues. With Apple's recent announcement of a $1B expansion (https://www.statesman.com/news/20181217/why-apple-chose-austin-for-major-hub) with at least 5,000 new jobs in 30-36 months...and up to 15k new jobs down the road...the sense of urgency just keeps growing.


Don’t jinx me, man. I’m heading to the airport in another couple of hours...

There is stuff they could do to relieve some of the crowding.

1) Completing the west terminal infil to have the two largest checkpoints on the ends would move the security lines away from the check in counters.

2) Moving to CUTE check in for the smaller carriers, and moving the big carriers apart from each other. For example, Air Canada and British Airways operate one flight per day in the afternoon; why do those desks stand empty the rest of the day? (And don’t even get me started on why Volaris—which is finally pulling out of Austin, but had no more than 2x weekly flights for the past two years—and Norwegian (3x/week and not even operating flights this winter) have reserved spaces). Similarly, in SAT, AM check in is handled by Delta—and AM has a *much* bigger presence there than they do in AUS—but they have their own check in facility here. If they moved American away from United, and Delta away from Southwest, then at peak hours they could expand to use the CUTE desks between them without cramming all of those passengers into each other.

I mean, yes, the terminal is clearly getting to be too small, but they’re not even using the facility they have in the wisest way to deal with the passenger growth.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
 
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Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:59 pm

khowaga wrote:
Western727 wrote:
khowaga wrote:

Someone posted in another forum that he was there (twice) when Frontier, Allegiant, and Via all had flights going out and that the terminal was at standing room only capacity. I think they’re really pushing that food court deck outside as part of the capacity, which ain’t gonna work when it’s cold, raining, or in midsummer.


And the proposed 2040 master plan was needed...yesterday. It's just mind-boggling how the city's growth continues. With Apple's recent announcement of a $1B expansion (https://www.statesman.com/news/20181217/why-apple-chose-austin-for-major-hub) with at least 5,000 new jobs in 30-36 months...and up to 15k new jobs down the road...the sense of urgency just keeps growing.


Don’t jinx me, man. I’m heading to the airport in another couple of hours...

There is stuff they could do to relieve some of the crowding.

1) Completing the west terminal infil to have the two largest checkpoints on the ends would move the security lines away from the check in counters.

2) Moving to CUTE check in for the smaller carriers, and moving the big carriers apart from each other. For example, Air Canada and British Airways operate one flight per day in the afternoon; why do those desks stand empty the rest of the day? (And don’t even get me started on why Volaris—which is finally pulling out of Austin, but had no more than 2x weekly flights for the past two years—and Norwegian (3x/week and not even operating flights this winter) have reserved spaces). Similarly, in SAT, AM check in is handled by Delta—and AM has a *much* bigger presence there than they do in AUS—but they have their own check in facility here. If they moved American away from United, and Delta away from Southwest, then at peak hours they could expand to use the CUTE desks between them without cramming all of those passengers into each other.

I mean, yes, the terminal is clearly getting to be too small, but they’re not even using the facility they have in the wisest way to deal with the passenger growth.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.


Hahaha...great TED talk, khowaga! Or, should I say: TEDxAUS? :lol:

Anyway, the west terminal security checkpoint - of course! I've not flown out of AUS for about a month now so I wonder if there's any visible indication of work on said checkpoint? Do you or anyone else know about the timelines for that?

CUTE check-in: great idea. I remember being perplexed when seeing AM's dedicated check-in counter for their single daily E90 flight that I took to MEX late last year. The agents I saw were wearing DL attire, after all.

And someone above mentioned upgauging aircraft in the four years before any foreseeable new gates get added. AUS has been able to get away for some time with airlines doing just that, which I welcome since I avoid RJs "below" the E70 like the plague. So, I look forward to AA's 330s and 777s to DFW as well as DL's 330s and 777s to ATL... :liar:
Jack @ AUS
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:02 pm

Western727 wrote:
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Hahaha...great TED talk, khowaga! Or, should I say: TEDxAUS? :lol:

Anyway, the west terminal security checkpoint - of course! I've not flown out of AUS for about a month now so I wonder if there's any visible indication of work on said checkpoint? Do you or anyone else know about the timelines for that?


The west infill is part of the master plan, but there’s been no movement on it as far as I know. But it seems kind of like a no-brainer to my untrained eye. That and the 380 to IAH :p
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:35 am

khowaga wrote:
Western727 wrote:
khowaga wrote:

Someone posted in another forum that he was there (twice) when Frontier, Allegiant, and Via all had flights going out and that the terminal was at standing room only capacity. I think they’re really pushing that food court deck outside as part of the capacity, which ain’t gonna work when it’s cold, raining, or in midsummer.


And the proposed 2040 master plan was needed...yesterday. It's just mind-boggling how the city's growth continues. With Apple's recent announcement of a $1B expansion (https://www.statesman.com/news/20181217/why-apple-chose-austin-for-major-hub) with at least 5,000 new jobs in 30-36 months...and up to 15k new jobs down the road...the sense of urgency just keeps growing.


Don’t jinx me, man. I’m heading to the airport in another couple of hours...

There is stuff they could do to relieve some of the crowding.

1) Completing the west terminal infil to have the two largest checkpoints on the ends would move the security lines away from the check in counters.

2) Moving to CUTE check in for the smaller carriers, and moving the big carriers apart from each other. For example, Air Canada and British Airways operate one flight per day in the afternoon; why do those desks stand empty the rest of the day? (And don’t even get me started on why Volaris—which is finally pulling out of Austin, but had no more than 2x weekly flights for the past two years—and Norwegian (3x/week and not even operating flights this winter) have reserved spaces). Similarly, in SAT, AM check in is handled by Delta—and AM has a *much* bigger presence there than they do in AUS—but they have their own check in facility here. If they moved American away from United, and Delta away from Southwest, then at peak hours they could expand to use the CUTE desks between them without cramming all of those passengers into each other.

I mean, yes, the terminal is clearly getting to be too small, but they’re not even using the facility they have in the wisest way to deal with the passenger growth.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.


You do realize to build a West infill to match the East would require the removal of existing Checkpoint #3 for the duration of the construction? That's not to say it won't happen, but wouldn't come without its own complications.

Speaking to point #2, the airport does utilize shared use counter positions for several carriers - AC, AM, AS, BA, DY, SY, Y4 (soon LH and NK as well). Just because a given airline's logo visible when not in use doesn't mean those positions are not available for others. There are several considerations when those assignments are made, like; how many consecutive positions are available at various times when they are needed, how long those positions are needed, how the flights are spread out throughout the day/week, which shared use baggage makeup carousels on the ramp are available based on those same considerations, and generally which gates those carriers are departing from.

Similarly, moving carriers with leased space is equally challenging, but not always as visible to the traveling public. For one, airlines don't always want to move. Next time you go to the grocery store, think about how the cereal isle is arranged. Think about what those brands are trying to do and what their market share is relative to the others on the shelf. It doesn't happen by accident there, nor is it an accident at an airport. Also, from a logistics stance you would be amazed at the ATO space behind the counters and how it is all subdivided. Even carries using shared use counters/gates have leased space behind the scenes. Any one move of check in positions would impact multiple others not only on the counters, but in some cases on the ramp as well.

If you get a chance, take a look at the Master Plan documents. Building a new passenger processing facility where the original garage currently stands may be one of the few ways to fix some of the challenges currently faced. It would create a new ticket lobby, new centralized checkpoint, new baggage claim, and new baggage screening matrix.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:35 am

masonh2479 wrote:
CarlosSi wrote:
this is the second time I’ve noticed DE making way for Lufty. I did think it was quite a few seats to Germany by two carriers.

The only US airport where the two seem to coincide seems to be SEA.

And that's most likely because DE has a significant codesharing/interline agreement with AS... and why SEA is also one of only a few (IIRC, three) US airports that DE flies to yearround.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:43 am

llintner wrote:
If you get a chance, take a look at the Master Plan documents. Building a new passenger processing facility where the original garage currently stands may be one of the few ways to fix some of the challenges currently faced. It would create a new ticket lobby, new centralized checkpoint, new baggage claim, and new baggage screening matrix.


Thanks for the background on the behind the scenes.

I’ve seen the master plan, but it’s the Master Plan 2040—I’ve never seen a breakdown of specific phases beforehand. We’re almost at the point, annual pax-wise, where a second expansion phase could be triggered before the paint is dry in the current one.

There’s no question that at peak hours the front of the BJT is packed pretty tight!
 
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Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:50 pm

masonh2479 wrote:
Seems like we will be getting a new small airline soon for ski charters, Taos Air operated by Ultimate Air Charter starting December 20th, running 3x weekly except for sometimes it is 4x weekly: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300729263.html
It would be nice to see a Dornier 328 in Austin! https://ultimateairshuttle.com/aircraft-information/

Edit: Just saw there was already another thread dedicated to this announcement.

This just started. It’s a 328Jet. The economics on that plane are numbingly poor. There are like 85 in the desert and 30 left sort of active worldwide. The breakeven fare is probably $650 rt, although you can bet Taos is heavily subsidizing it. Amazing they couldn’t do better than that. I doubt a 50 seater costs much more to operate and the fare could probably be 40% lower.

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