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Jshank83 wrote:Sun Country is going to use C27.
Gate Diagram for reference.
https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... n-2018.pdf
Jshank83 wrote:I find that super random to just be one day of the week at 2x.
Jshank83 wrote:Frontier extended their schedule today. Everything stays the same except DEN goes to 2x a day on Monday only. I find that super random to just be one day of the week at 2x.
stl07 wrote:So is MBJ just not coming back...
Trololzilla wrote:stl07 wrote:So is MBJ just not coming back...
??
The only service between STL and MBJ is a year-round service via Apple with seasonal service on Southwest starting next spring. Did you mean another airport?
Trololzilla wrote:Meh, I wouldn't look into it too much at the moment; I would imagine there's a bit more flux with charters. Besides, even if Apple stops it, WN will still have service (and have it when it's used most often).
Jshank83 wrote:Trololzilla wrote:Meh, I wouldn't look into it too much at the moment; I would imagine there's a bit more flux with charters. Besides, even if Apple stops it, WN will still have service (and have it when it's used most often).
I emailed he airport about it recently. Got this response.
Montego Bay has not been added as a vacation charter destination for next year. Southwest has committed to March 2019 as a scheduled destination and we'll have to wait and see if that gets extended.
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I'm hopeful Southwest extends it now. It got decent loads and ran twice a week at times. Apple/Frontier also cut back Cancun for next year in the fall.
Jshank83 wrote:Correct. Vacant means no jetbridge, City Gate means there is one for use per turn.
AA uses C28 a couple times a day on a per turn basis. Now that they are doing a remodel/reopening C25-30 I am hoping AA just leases it out. Right now it is dumb how they have to open a door to that area just for when it is in use.
maps4ltd wrote:It's a two-story room, but there's another level visible above, with a walled-off staircase near C27 leading up; I think it is the old TWA lounge, but I'm not sure. I also know that the closed FIS is in that general area, near the end of C.
Trololzilla wrote:maps4ltd wrote:It's a two-story room, but there's another level visible above, with a walled-off staircase near C27 leading up; I think it is the old TWA lounge, but I'm not sure. I also know that the closed FIS is in that general area, near the end of C.
Correct on both accounts.
Speaking of which: in the past, both United and Delta have expressed interest in opening a lounge at Lambert. There doesn't really seem to be much if any room to do so near Concourse A; could either carrier, long-term, choose to move over to C and also remodel the old TWA lounge into a useful space? Otherwise, could we perhaps see another common-use lounge take that space in the long-term?
maps4ltd wrote:Jshank83 wrote:Correct. Vacant means no jetbridge, City Gate means there is one for use per turn.
AA uses C28 a couple times a day on a per turn basis. Now that they are doing a remodel/reopening C25-30 I am hoping AA just leases it out. Right now it is dumb how they have to open a door to that area just for when it is in use.
Yes, C27 and C28 are in a large room behind two small doors with the gate numbers labeled. These are beyond a moving walkway that is not operating and currently covered by carpeting. As Jshank mentioned, the doors are closed when there are no flights going in or out. It's a two-story room, but there's another level visible above, with a walled-off staircase near C27 leading up; I think it is the old TWA lounge, but I'm not sure. I also know that the closed FIS is in that general area, near the end of C.
AA does use C28, and I've been through it. I was on a morning flight to LAX on an L-US A319 back in June 2018, and that was my first time using it. I also arrived at C28 on an MD-83 from DFW in August. It is quite a slog from C28 to bag claim, though.
While AA does use C28, I've never seen anyone use C27. It makes sense that SY would operate from it; if more airlines, such as JetBlue or Spirit, came in, they could use C27 as well. I think SY should also put their check-in at the vacant area next to Air Choice One in the lobby.
jrkstl wrote:I have two itineraries booked for travel to Europe via DL next year. All flights in and out of STL were booked with mainline jets (mostly 717s) coming and going, but have recently been changed to regional jets. I’m sure that this may be normal, but it’s a bit disappointing.
Anyone know if there is a main reason for this? Seems a bit early to determine load predictions.
Trololzilla wrote:Yeah that looks to be part of the marketing incentives promised to WOW. There was even a nice full-page ad about STL a few months back, if I can find it.
TWA302 wrote:[threeid][/threeid]Trololzilla wrote:Yeah that looks to be part of the marketing incentives promised to WOW. There was even a nice full-page ad about STL a few months back, if I can find it.
I like the travel blogs. Neat idea. As others state, we “don’t have tourism” yet we have a ton to do here. I know we aren’t Chicago or MSP, but I think about when we have friends visit we spend 3-4 days and put a dent in the Must Dos for visitors. Pretty excited to see how this all plays out for us.
https://travelguide.wowair.com/category/st-louis/
jrkstl wrote:I have two itineraries booked for travel to Europe via DL next year. All flights in and out of STL were booked with mainline jets (mostly 717s) coming and going, but have recently been changed to regional jets. I’m sure that this may be normal, but it’s a bit disappointing.
Anyone know if there is a main reason for this? Seems a bit early to determine load predictions.
maps4ltd wrote:Jshank83 wrote:Correct. Vacant means no jetbridge, City Gate means there is one for use per turn.
AA uses C28 a couple times a day on a per turn basis. Now that they are doing a remodel/reopening C25-30 I am hoping AA just leases it out. Right now it is dumb how they have to open a door to that area just for when it is in use.
Yes, C27 and C28 are in a large room behind two small doors with the gate numbers labeled. These are beyond a moving walkway that is not operating and currently covered by carpeting. As Jshank mentioned, the doors are closed when there are no flights going in or out. It's a two-story room, but there's another level visible above, with a walled-off staircase near C27 leading up; I think it is the old TWA lounge, but I'm not sure. I also know that the closed FIS is in that general area, near the end of C.
AA does use C28, and I've been through it. I was on a morning flight to LAX on an L-US A319 back in June 2018, and that was my first time using it. I also arrived at C28 on an MD-83 from DFW in August. It is quite a slog from C28 to bag claim, though.
While AA does use C28, I've never seen anyone use C27. It makes sense that SY would operate from it; if more airlines, such as JetBlue or Spirit, came in, they could use C27 as well. I think SY should also put their check-in at the vacant area next to Air Choice One in the lobby.
Jshank83 wrote:
Depending on when they are they could switch back. I have had my flights switch a couple times before. I like 900s and 700s though. I am a fan of no middle seat, especially when traveling with someone else. I assume you are flying through DTW (possibly MSP)?
jrkstl wrote:Jshank83 wrote:
Depending on when they are they could switch back. I have had my flights switch a couple times before. I like 900s and 700s though. I am a fan of no middle seat, especially when traveling with someone else. I assume you are flying through DTW (possibly MSP)?
Yes. One trip is via DTW and the other is MSP.
I am nerdly happy that our trip in March to Budapest includes an A359 from DTW-AMS
Jshank83 wrote:
Let me know how it is. I could have taken one to AMS but opted for a 330 for the 2 seats together seating.
jrkstl wrote:Jshank83 wrote:
Let me know how it is. I could have taken one to AMS but opted for a 330 for the 2 seats together seating.
Will do. I too normally like the seating on the 330, but had hoped to upgrade to premium economy on the 359. Since it appears that our ticket class (purchased via river cruise line) doesn’t allow it, we’ve chosen aisle seats for both of us.
TWA302 wrote:[
I like the travel blogs. Neat idea. As others state, we “don’t have tourism” yet we have a ton to do here. I know we aren’t Chicago or MSP, but I think about when we have friends visit we spend 3-4 days and put a dent in the Must Dos for visitors. Pretty excited to see how this all plays out for us.
https://travelguide.wowair.com/category/st-louis/
737MAX10 wrote:I have lived in Seattle and St. Louis and can confidently say that St. Louis is not even remotely comparable to Seattle. Earlier you mentioned that St. Louis doesn’t have mountains, an ocean, or a bigger city than something like LA or NYC. Seattle is definitely a bigger city than St. Louis and is growing at close to the same rate as the Bay Area. It also has mountains (most notably Mt. Rainier) and an ocean. This is why Seattle has no problem attracting international/trans-pacific/trans-Atlantic flights. Seattle is also home to 3 very large companies, one in which denied St. Louis as their second HQ: Amazon, Microsoft, and Boeing. While Boeing has a large presence in St. Louis, it is in no way close to the scope that Seattle has.
LambertMan wrote:737MAX10 wrote:I have lived in Seattle and St. Louis and can confidently say that St. Louis is not even remotely comparable to Seattle. Earlier you mentioned that St. Louis doesn’t have mountains, an ocean, or a bigger city than something like LA or NYC. Seattle is definitely a bigger city than St. Louis and is growing at close to the same rate as the Bay Area. It also has mountains (most notably Mt. Rainier) and an ocean. This is why Seattle has no problem attracting international/trans-pacific/trans-Atlantic flights. Seattle is also home to 3 very large companies, one in which denied St. Louis as their second HQ: Amazon, Microsoft, and Boeing. While Boeing has a large presence in St. Louis, it is in no way close to the scope that Seattle has.
But have you ever been to the Lake of the Ozarks?
737MAX10 wrote:LambertMan wrote:737MAX10 wrote:I have lived in Seattle and St. Louis and can confidently say that St. Louis is not even remotely comparable to Seattle. Earlier you mentioned that St. Louis doesn’t have mountains, an ocean, or a bigger city than something like LA or NYC. Seattle is definitely a bigger city than St. Louis and is growing at close to the same rate as the Bay Area. It also has mountains (most notably Mt. Rainier) and an ocean. This is why Seattle has no problem attracting international/trans-pacific/trans-Atlantic flights. Seattle is also home to 3 very large companies, one in which denied St. Louis as their second HQ: Amazon, Microsoft, and Boeing. While Boeing has a large presence in St. Louis, it is in no way close to the scope that Seattle has.
But have you ever been to the Lake of the Ozarks?
Absolutely, and I really enjoy the Lake of the Ozarks. However it does not compare to Lake Washington or Lake Union. Those also happen to be right by the city within walking distance and do not require a rental car to get there.
Jshank83 wrote:737MAX10 wrote:LambertMan wrote:But have you ever been to the Lake of the Ozarks?
Absolutely, and I really enjoy the Lake of the Ozarks. However it does not compare to Lake Washington or Lake Union. Those also happen to be right by the city within walking distance and do not require a rental car to get there.
I am pretty sure Lambert was being sarcastic.
737MAX10 wrote:I have lived in Seattle and St. Louis and can confidently say that St. Louis is not even remotely comparable to Seattle. Earlier you mentioned that St. Louis doesn’t have mountains, an ocean, or a bigger city than something like LA or NYC. Seattle is definitely a bigger city than St. Louis and is growing at close to the same rate as the Bay Area. It also has mountains (most notably Mt. Rainier) and an ocean. This is why Seattle has no problem attracting international/trans-pacific/trans-Atlantic flights. Seattle is also home to 3 very large companies, one in which denied St. Louis as their second HQ: Amazon, Microsoft, and Boeing. While Boeing has a large presence in St. Louis, it is in no way close to the scope that Seattle has.
737MAX10 wrote:I have lived in Seattle and St. Louis and can confidently say that St. Louis is not even remotely comparable to Seattle. Earlier you mentioned that St. Louis doesn’t have mountains, an ocean, or a bigger city than something like LA or NYC. Seattle is definitely a bigger city than St. Louis and is growing at close to the same rate as the Bay Area. It also has mountains (most notably Mt. Rainier) and an ocean. This is why Seattle has no problem attracting international/trans-pacific/trans-Atlantic flights. Seattle is also home to 3 very large companies, one in which denied St. Louis as their second HQ: Amazon, Microsoft, and Boeing. While Boeing has a large presence in St. Louis, it is in no way close to the scope that Seattle has.
symphonicpoet wrote:................Seattle ain't all that. Seriously. Not bad. But not special. Average. Normal. Absolutely dead typical of American cities. Closely equivalent to Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, or Philadelphia to a cultural tourist.....
maps4ltd wrote:I was wondering...
It seems that Southwest has Saturday-only service to Cancun, but Frontier has daily service. Why? Isn't Frontier known for its sub-daily service? I would think it would be the other way around.
Does anyone have LF data for the STL-CUN flights on both airlines? Thanks.
symphonicpoet wrote:737MAX10 wrote:I have lived in Seattle and St. Louis and can confidently say that St. Louis is not even remotely comparable to Seattle. Earlier you mentioned that St. Louis doesn’t have mountains, an ocean, or a bigger city than something like LA or NYC. Seattle is definitely a bigger city than St. Louis and is growing at close to the same rate as the Bay Area. It also has mountains (most notably Mt. Rainier) and an ocean. This is why Seattle has no problem attracting international/trans-pacific/trans-Atlantic flights. Seattle is also home to 3 very large companies, one in which denied St. Louis as their second HQ: Amazon, Microsoft, and Boeing. While Boeing has a large presence in St. Louis, it is in no way close to the scope that Seattle has.
We're discussing tourism, not growth. We already addressed mountains and oceans. Yes, Seattle has nearby mountains and oceans. We're talking other things. In terms of parks, museums, music, and cultural attractions I think we are easily the equal of Seattle and quite probably the better. We have a better orchestra and a better zoo. We have a closely equivalent art museum. We have a better botanical garden by leagues upon leagues. A better Japanese garden. Better parks. But no mountains or beaches. Meh. I'd say it's about even at best until you get to the mountains. Yes, Seattle is bigger. 3.9 to 2.9. Sure. But that's not a huge difference. But it's also more crowded, more wet, and colder. And far more expensive. And it has Spamazon and Microsoft. But who's going to tour a corporate campus? I'll admit, I'd enjoy touring the Boeing plant. Once. But Microsoft? It's an office park. Who cares unless you work there? Seattle ain't all that. Seriously. Not bad. But not special. Average. Normal. Absolutely dead typical of American cities. Closely equivalent to Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, or Philadelphia to a cultural tourist. Better than Atlanta. Probably not quite Boston, though close. Not Chicago or New York. Not New Orleans. Not Washington DC. (Which, to be fair, cheats. And punches far above its weight.) Not San Francisco in its heyday, but I haven't been to SF since the early 80s and I gather it's a much less pleasant place to be now. (I certainly don't intend to ever go back.) Remember. We're talking specifically tourism. Not where to live. I'm NOT talking about growth. I'm NOT talking about jobs or flights. I'm not even talking landscape. I'm only talking about where a well informed urban tourist could have a good time. Cultural stuff. And the US really and truly only has one dominant culture. No matter what some folks might tell you.
Me? I don't really do US city tourism much anymore unless perhaps it's on the way to somewhere else. Seen them all, save a few in Texas, Hawaii, and Alaska. What's the point to going back? Pretty much every city in the US is the same after a while, but for size. Same kinds of museums. Basically the same restaurants. Same music, with a few minor regional variations. Same shows. Same architectural styles. Same same same. I go to deserts. Sometimes mountains. And maybe, once in a while, an ocean if it's not out of the way. But if you want to see a US city as you're from not the US? This one is good and you saw the picture in your embassy. You probably did not see Seattle.
You want to go skiing? Go to Silverton, or maybe Ouray CO. Gorgeous towns. Stunning mountains. Great snow. Not too crowded. You want a nice ocean? Go to Bar Harbor ME. You want a beach? St. Augustine is great.
Not knocking Seattle. It has a lot. It does. You have skiing and beaches and culture. That's non-trivial, even if it's not the absolute best skiing, beaches, or culture. It's a good place to go. Easy button. But I don't think it's worlds better than St. Louis for tourism. We have better culture and more character. Not worlds better, but somewhat. Just . . . no mountains. You have us beat there. Take it. Run with it. But try not to be a complete asshat about it.
stl07 wrote:Interesting...
Silver is bidding for FLW service against cape air
stl07 wrote: