Copa left from 80 a few minutes ago. Was 1 jammed this morning?

flymco753 wrote:

Copa left from 80 a few minutes ago. Was 1 jammed this morning?

They RON on AS4

dabpit wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

Copa left from 80 a few minutes ago. Was 1 jammed this morning?

They RON on AS4

Did this just start happening? I always swing around from the east to the west to head to the 417 and pass AS1, always seemed like COPA was at 1 to RON.

flymco753 wrote:

dabpit wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

Copa left from 80 a few minutes ago. Was 1 jammed this morning?

They RON on AS4

Did this just start happening? I always swing around from the east to the west to head to the 417 and pass AS1, always seemed like COPA was at 1 to RON.

It has been going on for a few months now.

Swoop is coming to MCO with flight to Hamilton, Ontario. Will these coexist with WS or replace current WS service?

flymco753 wrote:

Swoop is coming to MCO with flight to Hamilton, Ontario. Will these coexist with WS or replace current WS service?

Replace current service. But Hamilton will now be year round.

Were there 6 VS aircraft on the ground at the same time today??

Clipper136 wrote:

After C opens. NK will move to Airside 1 and use the current B6 Gates (1-9). The 20s wing could see AS, SY, 3M and domestic charters. F9 will have 10-19. NK is hoping the FIS on Airside 1 will stay open in some capacity. I'm not sure if this will happen?

Also

As of June, on a rolling 12 month basis, MCO passenger count is up to 46.1 Million (up 6.97%).

This is great that NK will move to Airside 1 when C opens. Currently AA has to run some of their morning departures out of Airside 1 because there isn’t room in Airside 3 for AA, but this will open up more space for AA to consolidate their ops at MCO. C can’t come soon enough and hopefully it will solve the crowding issues currently in Airsides 3 and 4.

neomax wrote:

What an amazing site. I bet the security lines were a complete joy.

mcogator wrote:

What an amazing site. I bet the security lines were a complete joy.

And customs would be a dumpster fire.

I flew in on the day they sent all of the 747s here. It was impressive. Getting on the tram sucked though...

mcogator wrote:

neomax wrote:

What an amazing site. I bet the security lines were a complete joy.

Probably not THAT huge as they keep the passengers on the planes if immigration is very busy and overflowing. It has been know for some to be kept waiting nearly an hour but usually its about 20 minutes or so.

Who does TCO work for Virgin? Did Delta take that over?

Our turn for crazy airport behavior! https://www.clickorlando.com/news/passe ... tent=wkmg6

Latam is ending LIM. Thought the route was doing well but I guess Avianca got to them.

flymco753 wrote:

Latam is ending LIM. Thought the route was doing well but I guess Avianca got to them.

At least we got seasonal WOWair flights to KEF.

I think we will see more expansion from Spirit into South America if the markets warrant it.

dabpit wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

Latam is ending LIM. Thought the route was doing well but I guess Avianca got to them.

At least we got seasonal WOWair flights to KEF.

I think we will see more expansion from Spirit into South America if the markets warrant it.

If NK orders the A321LR, no doubt they're going into Brazil.

flymco753 wrote:

dabpit wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

Latam is ending LIM. Thought the route was doing well but I guess Avianca got to them.

At least we got seasonal WOWair flights to KEF.

I think we will see more expansion from Spirit into South America if the markets warrant it.

If NK orders the A321LR, no doubt they're going into Brazil.

Some more Brasil flights would be nice. A nice combination of Spirit and Azul, each serving a different market.

Hopefully, we get some more European flights.

ULCC model really doesn't work very well for LH. People find the narrow pitch more intolerable and more full service airlines make their money up front and can take losses at back to price match.

flymco753 wrote:

dabpit wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

Latam is ending LIM. Thought the route was doing well but I guess Avianca got to them.

At least we got seasonal WOWair flights to KEF.

I think we will see more expansion from Spirit into South America if the markets warrant it.

If NK orders the A321LR, no doubt they're going into Brazil.

[twoid][/

Plenty of doubt. Brazil is a tough market for the Spirit business model. I’d actually say there’s no doubt they aren’t going to Brazil other than maybe Manaus which has strong U.S. POS.

LATAM's flight to Lima is staying! At least to Airlineroute.

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 8655596544

marcecar10 wrote:

LATAM's flight to Lima is staying! At least to Airlineroute.

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 8655596544

Thanks for the info! Happy to see it staying.

neomax wrote:

marcecar10 wrote:

LATAM's flight to Lima is staying! At least to Airlineroute.

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 8655596544

Thanks for the info! Happy to see it staying.

Yeah, that is good news, thanks for sharing.

MAH4546 wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

dabpit wrote:

At least we got seasonal WOWair flights to KEF.

I think we will see more expansion from Spirit into South America if the markets warrant it.

If NK orders the A321LR, no doubt they're going into Brazil.

[twoid][/

Plenty of doubt. Brazil is a tough market for the Spirit business model. I’d actually say there’s no doubt they aren’t going to Brazil other than maybe Manaus which has strong U.S. POS.

It could be a little difficult to do FOR, BSB, or REC due to the density of the A321. If the plane wasn't so dense it could probably make MCO or FLL to those Brazillian cities. However, I've noticed if airlines dont watch out they can oversaturated Brazil.

Thought you guys might like these....the aviation portions are small, but great footage

start @ 3:38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVhNmAOwp2g

start @ 5:28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lGOfptHvQ
Orlando Air Force Base...never heard of THAT

I skimmed through this one, didn't see any aviation, but still quite interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msN1mPdGonI

dabpit wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

dabpit wrote:

At least we got seasonal WOWair flights to KEF.

I think we will see more expansion from Spirit into South America if the markets warrant it.

If NK orders the A321LR, no doubt they're going into Brazil.

Some more Brasil flights would be nice. A nice combination of Spirit and Azul, each serving a different market.

Hopefully, we get some more European flights.

Not with NK A321LR. the aircraft does not have the legs for that form MCO.

With the new services from Spirit Airlines, there operations seems like all is over the airport, morning and afternoon international arrivals are on airside 1, evening international arrivals are on airside 4, some departures on airside 1 besides the regular operations on airside 2.

it will more practical if they just move there entire operation to the airside 4, using 5 gates on the 90s gate, international arrivals could be done on the 80s gate since most of the spirit arrival are at noon until 3pm and them after 9pm. so it wont be a obstacle for the european rush..

just saying...

Ferjer wrote:

With the new services from Spirit Airlines, there operations seems like all is over the airport, morning and afternoon international arrivals are on airside 1, evening international arrivals are on airside 4, some departures on airside 1 besides the regular operations on airside 2.

it will more practical if they just move there entire operation to the airside 4, using 5 gates on the 90s gate, international arrivals could be done on the 80s gate since most of the spirit arrival are at noon until 3pm and them after 9pm. so it wont be a obstacle for the european rush..

just saying...

The better option would be to move them to AS 1 and move F9 to AS 3.

dabpit wrote:

Ferjer wrote:

With the new services from Spirit Airlines, there operations seems like all is over the airport, morning and afternoon international arrivals are on airside 1, evening international arrivals are on airside 4, some departures on airside 1 besides the regular operations on airside 2.

it will more practical if they just move there entire operation to the airside 4, using 5 gates on the 90s gate, international arrivals could be done on the 80s gate since most of the spirit arrival are at noon until 3pm and them after 9pm. so it wont be a obstacle for the european rush..

just saying...

The better option would be to move them to AS 1 and move F9 to AS 3.

Well, NK has international, so they would need an FIS capable Airside in the long run. Once they close the AS 1 FIS, only 4 and C will have FIS capable facilities. Unless NK convinces GOAA to keep the FIS at 1 with low operating costs, then it could work. However, from what my friends tell me at CBP, they've been adjusting international flight times so that they have have adequate staffing, not sure what the truth to that is.

It could end up looking like this once the new C opens.

AS1: Air Canada, Air Transat, Flair, Frontier, Silver, Spirit (with FIS), Sun Country, Sunwing,
AS2: Alaska, Southwest
AS3: American, United
AS4: Aeormexico, Bahamasair, British Airways, Caribbean, Delta, GOL, Interjet, Lufthansa, Spirit (without FIS), Swoop, Virgin Atlantic, Volaris, WesJet, WOW
C: Aer Lingus, Avianca, Azul, Copa, Edelweiss, Emirates, Icelandair, JetBlue, Latam, Norwegian, Thomas Cook

flymco753 wrote:

Well, NK has international, so they would need an FIS capable Airside in the long run. Once they close the AS 1 FIS, only 4 and C will have FIS capable facilities. Unless NK convinces GOAA to keep the FIS at 1 with low operating costs, then it could work. However, from what my friends tell me at CBP, they've been adjusting international flight times so that they have have adequate staffing, not sure what the truth to that is.

It could end up looking like this once the new C opens.

AS1: Air Canada, Air Transat, Flair, Frontier, Silver, Spirit (with FIS), Sun Country, Sunwing,
AS2: Alaska, Southwest
AS3: American, United
AS4: Aeormexico, Bahamasair, British Airways, Caribbean, Delta, GOL, Interjet, Lufthansa, Spirit (without FIS), Swoop, Virgin Atlantic, Volaris, WesJet, WOW
C: Aer Lingus, Avianca, Azul, Copa, Edelweiss, Emirates, Icelandair, JetBlue, Latam, Norwegian, Thomas Cook

With the Spirit growth there isn't going to be many options but for AS 1 FIS to remain open. It is not practical to for an airline to split their operations between two different airsides on opposite sides of the airport. NK is going to grow a lot more out of MCO. The new terminal being built is going to need to be expanded before it even opens if the airport really wants to close the FIS on AS 1. GOAA has a growing mess on their hands and that is what to do with all the airlines continuing to add service with nowhere to put them.

Is just me or the FIS at airside 1 wont stay open until late?, Copa is been using airside 4 for quite some time for the last 2 flights of the day.

CBP decides whether the FIS on Airside 1 stays open or not, and right now it's looking like not. Late evening arrivals and early morning arrivals go to Airside 4 because CBP will only staff 1 FIS at those times. AD seasonal early arrival also operates out of Airside 4 with their normal evening departures on Airside 1. FI also do a split op. Arrival on 4 and depart from 1.

There are not enough gates on Airside 4 for NK. There are only 4 non FIS gates on the 90's wing. NK currently uses 5-6 (leases 5) on Airside 3. Unless GOAA is willing to give up a couple of swing gates?

New Terminal C has already been expanded by 3 gates from it's original set-up and the next phase (12?? additional gates) has already been given the preliminary o.k. and are in the design stages. GOAA knows they are way behind the 8 ball. The new check-in and Airside 4 FIS expansion raised MCO's annual throughput capacity to 45 million pax. As of September 2018, on a rolling 12 months range, MCO is at 46.9 million pax.

The New Terminal C will see B6, CM, LH, BA, AD, AV, TS, FI, WW, EK, MT, EI, DY, 4O, WK, Y4 and LATAM group.

Airside 4 will see DL, VS, AM, G3, WS, AC, NK, WN, 3M, UP, WG, F8, WO

Next bad informations about WOW Air:

The airline has removed all flights to and from MCO between 08JAN and 30MAR from the bookingsystem and GDS because of very weak prebookings on the route (usually between 20 and 30 pax per flight, a few flights with 30-40 Pax)

Quite a few reductions to Brazil, from DL ending GRU to JJ ending GIG and FOR. However, GOL gives DL customers great connectivity to Brazil and vice versa.

Quite an impressive year. Growth will slow until C opens, theres going to be a lot of reshuffle going on with airlines, I would assume well hear about this in 2019.

Hopefully, 2019 is the year we get a daily flight to Paris on Delta or AirFrance, with Delta being the most likely option of the two.

Also curious to see who takes a stab at LHR first, has to be either BA or Delta and friends (VS).

Would like to hear of an Asia announcement, I dont guarantee well get it before MIA though. Itll be tough to reach Africa and East Asia from MCO.

Happy New Year

Please continue in next year's thread.

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