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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:11 am

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Can anyone explain why so many 757-S routes have been having unscheduled upgrades to 767 recently?

Pax demand to put it simply. The 763ER-low J fleet has 2 spares for the summer schedule. So when reliance is there and pax demand on JFK-LAX/SFO is high, its an easy sub. In some cases, its technical (ie 75W do go tech sometimes).


I would guess that the 75W is stretched and there’s spare 763 available has more to do with it. Reality is, most of these changes are fairly normal byproduct of the widebody fleet being stretched for the summer — e.g. DL plugs one hole (a severely delayed flight, an aircraft going tech.) with another until it can get caught up. Of course, to the average a.netter all they see is that an A332 was upgauged to an A333 and immediately assume it’s because that day’s flight must be performing really well, when often that’s not the case for the change - it’s just part of the chess game.

DL does the same thing with its narrowbody fleet. I remember when, a few years ago, DL’s mainline fleet was stretched thin and they kept a ratty, “officially” retired 757 around DTW as an operational spare. Didn’t matter if the flight was a 717 or 763 — that ratty 757 would sub for it. Had nothing to do with loads, just about getting the work done.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:07 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 8/4
763: LAX-ATL flight cancelled - tech (N140LL)
763ER-low J: LAX-SLC ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N192DN)
763ER-low J: JFK-LAX rescue flight for previous day's cancellation (N171DZ)
763ER-low J: LAX-SEA ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N171DZ)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from high-J on SEA-PEK-SEA route (N171DZ)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 738 on SLC-LAX route (N174DZ)
333: MSP-AMS diverted to KEF - medical (N821NW)
333: unscheduled upgrade from 332 on ATL-CDG-ATL route (N828NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:29 am

Does anyone know why N863DA has been at ATL since last Wednesday evening? It shouldn't be for any scheduled mx as that was done during its mods at SIN. I'm surprised that with the summer schedule in full force that it could afford to be out of service for this long. Perhaps TechOps is performing a thorough inspection of it before the next 777 goes into mods.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N863DA
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:18 am

audidudi wrote:
Does anyone know why N863DA has been at ATL since last Wednesday evening? It shouldn't be for any scheduled mx as that was done during its mods at SIN. I'm surprised that with the summer schedule in full force that it could afford to be out of service for this long. Perhaps TechOps is performing a thorough inspection of it before the next 777 goes into mods.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N863DA

N863DA is acting as a a spare for 359s (as well as 772/77L) for the remainder of the summer since 7/20. All those frames have been performing perfectly during the last few days so no need for its use. It is needed as a spare. Especially for the 359 which is stretch very thinly.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:14 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 8/5
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 763 on ATL-LAX-ATL route (N189DN)
359: LAX-PVG flight cancelled - tech (N503DN)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:52 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Does anyone know why N863DA has been at ATL since last Wednesday evening? It shouldn't be for any scheduled mx as that was done during its mods at SIN. I'm surprised that with the summer schedule in full force that it could afford to be out of service for this long. Perhaps TechOps is performing a thorough inspection of it before the next 777 goes into mods.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N863DA

N863DA is acting as a a spare for 359s (as well as 772/77L) for the remainder of the summer since 7/20. All those frames have been performing perfectly during the last few days so no need for its use. It is needed as a spare. Especially for the 359 which is stretch very thinly.

Yes that makes sense now! Thanks! Looks like it's heading to NRT tomorrow now, which is usually operated by a 77L, so that's a switch!
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:10 pm

So outside of JFK-LAX, are there any wide-body flat bed flights operating within the continental US this fall?

Sorry, On DL I mean.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:10 pm

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So outside of JFK-LAX, are there any wide-body flat bed flights operating within the continental US this fall? Sorry, On DL I mean.

JFK-SFO. 1x 764 at least. also 1x 763ER-low J during some periods.
ATL-LAX 1x 77L. not every day. not over the entire period.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:07 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 8/6
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on SEA-JFK route (N171DZ)
764: JFK-ATL ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N835MH)
764: ATL-JFK ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N839MH)
77L: unscheduled upgrade from 321 on LAX-ATL flight (N703DN)
77L: AMS-LAX flight cancelled - tech (N709DN)
77L: unscheduled upgrade from 321 on ATL-LAX flight (N710DN)
359: LAX-PVG rescue flight following previous day's cancellation (N511DN)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:25 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 8/7
763ER-high J: LAX-JFK flight diverted to DTW - weather (N16065)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from high-J on ATL-FRA-ATL route (N181DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 12pm JFK-LAX-JFK flight (N171DZ)
332: unscheduled downgrade from 333 on DTW-AMS-DTW route (N856NW)
764: SFO-JFK flight diverted to DTW - weather (N839MH)
7HD: unscheduled swap from 77L on ATL-NRT-ATL route (N863DA)
77L: AMS-LAX rescue flight following previous day's cancellation (N706DN)
333: unscheduled swap from 359 on DTW-AMS-DTW route (N805NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:06 am

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It would appear that the non ER 763 Pratts are sticking around for a while. Other threads said they were gone at the beginning of 2018


The original plan was to retire them after the NFL season, Delta decided to hang on to them for a little bit. I did some dummy booking last week and so far as it seems they will leave at the end of September of this year. Of course things could change and that could just be the end passenger service for them and be used for charter until they are not useful no more and thrown into the desert for scrapping.


I looked at schedules in mid October and the non-ER 763s still appear to be scheduled. I found flights on ATL-PDX, ATL-LAS, and ATL-SLC on 10/15.


So far as it looks the ATL-SLC run ends October 19th. The ATL-PDX through October 1st-19th, and ATL-LAS October 2nd-19th. Have they announced any charter runs for the two frames?
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:07 pm

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 8/8
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 12pm JFK-LAX-JFK flight (N198DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on 9pm(8/7) JFK-LAX-JFK flight (N171DZ)
764: JFK-VCE rescue flight following previous day's cancellation (N829MH)
764: ATL-JFK ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N835MH)
77L: unscheduled upgrade from 321 on LAX-ATL route (N706DN)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:05 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 8/9
764: VCE-ATL flight diverted to CAE - weather (N843MH)
7HD: unscheduled swap from 333 on ATL-GRU-ATL route (N863DA)
333: unscheduled upgrade from M90 on ATL-MSP route (N817NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:39 am

Based on the latest schedule update, it looks like the next 777 to head for Delta Suites mods will be a 77L and should do so i believe on 9/4 through a ATL-SEA commercial flight equipment swap followed by a SEA-SIN ferry flight.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:28 am

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Based on the latest schedule update, it looks like the next 777 to head for Delta Suites mods will be a 77L and should do so i believe on 9/4 through a ATL-SEA commercial flight equipment swap followed by a SEA-SIN ferry flight.


Should be 7101 going in. 2 weeks later another ER will induct. Ship TBD.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:15 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 8/10
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on ATL-FLL-ATL-FLL-ATL route (N181DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 321 on ATL-SLC route (N169DZ)
332: unscheduled upgrade from 75W on 9pm JFK-SFO-JFK flight (N854NW)
764: JFK-ATL ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N829MH)
333: unscheduled upgrade from M90 on MSP-ATL route (N802NW)
333: unscheduled upgrade from 332 on DTW-LHR-DTW route (N819NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:32 pm

Looks like Delta intends to have try having almost all of the B777 done by Summer 19




777Mech wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Based on the latest schedule update, it looks like the next 777 to head for Delta Suites mods will be a 77L and should do so i believe on 9/4 through a ATL-SEA commercial flight equipment swap followed by a SEA-SIN ferry flight.


Should be 7101 going in. 2 weeks later another ER will induct. Ship TBD.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:20 pm

TropicalSky wrote:
Looks like Delta intends to have try having almost all of the B777 done by Summer 19




777Mech wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Based on the latest schedule update, it looks like the next 777 to head for Delta Suites mods will be a 77L and should do so i believe on 9/4 through a ATL-SEA commercial flight equipment swap followed by a SEA-SIN ferry flight.


Should be 7101 going in. 2 weeks later another ER will induct. Ship TBD.

I doubt that all 17 to still be modded will be finished by then. With 2 in mods at any given time starting next month, and taking 6-8 weeks each to mod, it would take until the fall of next year to finish the whole fleet. Perhaps as more get modded, the completion time will take less time. We'll just have to see what transpires!
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:49 pm

Yea I'm sure it will be a long process....will be interesting to see how far they get prior to peak summer 19 flying schedule


audidudi wrote:
TropicalSky wrote:
Looks like Delta intends to have try having almost all of the B777 done by Summer 19





777Mech wrote:

Should be 7101 going in. 2 weeks later another ER will induct. Ship TBD.

I doubt that all 17 to still be modded will be finished by then. With 2 in mods at any given time starting next month, and taking 6-8 weeks each to mod, it would take until the fall of next year to finish the whole fleet. Perhaps as more get modded, the completion time will take less time. We'll just have to see what transpires!
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:30 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 8/11
763ER-high J: scheduled additional NRT-SEA-NRT rotation (N1613B)
763ER-low J: ZRH-ATL flight diverted to BOS - timeout? (N152DL)
763ER-low J: LAX-SLC ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N187DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 738 on SLC-LAX route (N199DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 321 on SLC-ATL route (N1201P)
333: ATL-JFK ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N802NW)
333: JFK-AMS rescue flight following previous day's diversion (N802NW)
333: ATL-AMS flight diverts to JFK 8/10 - tech (N803NW)
333: JFK-ATL ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N803NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:38 am

TropicalSky wrote:
Yea I'm sure it will be a long process....will be interesting to see how far they get prior to peak summer 19 flying schedule
audidudi wrote:
I doubt that all 17 to still be modded will be finished by then. With 2 in mods at any given time starting next month, and taking 6-8 weeks each to mod, it would take until the fall of next year to finish the whole fleet. Perhaps as more get modded, the completion time will take less time. We'll just have to see what transpires!


Based on the current S19 loaded schedule, it looks like all 772 will have been converted to 7HD. No 772 flights loaded in the schedule.
The 7HD S19 schedule requires 7 frames with 1 assumed as spare:
3 frames in ATL: ATL-NRT-ATL-CDG-ATL
4 frames in MSP: MSP-HND-MSP-CDG-MSP-ICN-MSP
Currently the frames do not allow a frame rotation in CDG due to scheduling of flights. Not sure how they will rotate the frames. Part of me thinks DL is hoping for new HND slots to be opened later this year and allocated to DL whereby the ATL-NRT flight will be replaced by an ATL-HND flight and rotate with MSP that way. Perhaps wishful thinking...

On the 77L front, it looks like the schedule requires 3 7HB frames for the LAX-SYD-LAX runs. All other routes currently showing 77L and require 6 frames (with 1 assumed spare):
5 frames in ATL: ATL-PVG-ATL-JNB-ATL-AMS-ATL
1 frame in LAX: LAX-CDG-LAX
One of three things will happen. Either LAX-CDG will become 7HB in which case we're looking at 4 frames converted by S19 or an ATL-LAX rotation will be added to allow frames to move between routes or LAX-CDG will join LAX-AMS if/when the ATL/JFK-BOM flights are loaded in as 77L which is what consensus is expecting.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:55 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 8/12
763: unscheduled upgrade from 739 on ATL-JFK-ATL route (N140LL)
7HD: unscheduled swap from 77L on ATL-LAX-ATL route (N863DA)
333: CDG-JFK flight diverted to PHL - weather (N811NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:09 pm

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 8/13
764: DUS-ATL flight cancelled - tech (N830MH)
333: AMS-ATL rescue flight following cancellation on 8/10 (N811NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:45 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 8/14
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on JFK-SEA-JFK route (N190DN)
763ER-low J: seasonal adjustment on MSP-HNL route; decreases to x23 from daily effective 8/14 (N195DN)
763ER-low J: scheduled additional MSP-ATL flight (N195DN)
763ER-low J: ATL-CVG ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N195DN)
763ER-low J: CVG-DTW ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N169DZ)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on DTW-ATL route (N169DZ)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 75W on 9pm JFK-LAX-JFK flight (N177DZ)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on ATL-DTW route (N178DZ)
332: unscheduled downgrade from 333 on DTW-AMS-DTW route (N857NW)
764: DUS-ATL rescue flight following previous day's cancellation (N830MH)
359: ATL-ICN-DTW flight cancelled - tech (N505DN)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:54 am

DL’s decision to spread out the A359 fleet with no operational spares is just while it’s still teething in the type is just dumb.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:00 am

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DL’s decision to spread out the A359 fleet with no operational spares is just while it’s still teething in the type is just dumb.

N863DA (7HD) is the operational spare for the 359 during the busy summer schedule. It has the Delta Suites and new interior so as far as the customer is concerned, the soft product should be the same. Interesting fact: it has sparsely been used. Testament to the induction success of the 359 in the fleet.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:18 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
compensateme wrote:
DL’s decision to spread out the A359 fleet with no operational spares is just while it’s still teething in the type is just dumb.

N863DA (7HD) is the operational spare for the 359 during the busy summer schedule. It has the Delta Suites and new interior so as far as the customer is concerned, the soft product should be the same. Interesting fact: it has sparsely been used. Testament to the induction success of the 359 in the fleet.


I count four instances of A359 flights being cancelled (or changed to an A333) this month; meanwhile, N863DA was performing scheduled flights from ATL. That’s not exactly an operational spare...

There were a handful of other cancellations:changed to A333 last month, as well, including a flight to AMS I was scheduled on.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:52 pm

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I count four instances of A359 flights being cancelled (or changed to an A333) this month


Correct.

OTOH, there's been hardly any cancellation for 359 before. I was looking for any, and there were next to none. I think there's some other problem causing techs this month. Repositioning with no spares/trained personnel? It's weird, comparing their record to last month.

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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:13 pm

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There were a handful of other cancellations:changed to A333 last month, as well, including a flight to AMS I was scheduled on.

Not a handful. A single DTW-AMS-DTW rotation was subbed from 359 to 333 since N863DA became a spare. Prior to that, N863DA was assigned to the regular scheduled service while DL was inducting the newest 359 deliveries. Have there been 359 cancellations. sure. there have also been 333/772/77L cancellations as well, actually the 333 fleet has been a much bigger disaster this summer than the 359s. Is N863DA acting as operational spare for the 359, absolutely. Is N863DA being used to swap for 772/77L/333 when their fleets go belly up despite them having their own spares, absolutely. Simply put, I believe your opening statement "no operational spares" and "just dumb" to be an over dramatisation of the situation.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:49 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
compensateme wrote:
There were a handful of other cancellations:changed to A333 last month, as well, including a flight to AMS I was scheduled on.

Not a handful. A single DTW-AMS-DTW rotation was subbed from 359 to 333 since N863DA became a spare. Prior to that, N863DA was assigned to the regular scheduled service while DL was inducting the newest 359 deliveries. Have there been 359 cancellations. sure. there have also been 333/772/77L cancellations as well, actually the 333 fleet has been a much bigger disaster this summer than the 359s. Is N863DA acting as operational spare for the 359, absolutely. Is N863DA being used to swap for 772/77L/333 when their fleets go belly up despite them having their own spares, absolutely. Simply put, I believe your opening statement "no operational spares" and "just dumb" to be an over dramatisation of the situation.


agree with you not saying it is a ton but so often when I look and there is a cancelation due to aircraft going tech it seems to be an A330-300 not sure what is up with this fleet.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:07 am

Looks as though the domestic 763s will stick around until April 2019, as they will cover for a couple 75D temporary parks.

Also a couple 764s will be temporarily parked for the winter for engine savings.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:35 am

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hkcanadaexpat wrote:
compensateme wrote:
There were a handful of other cancellations:changed to A333 last month, as well, including a flight to AMS I was scheduled on.

Not a handful. A single DTW-AMS-DTW rotation was subbed from 359 to 333 since N863DA became a spare. Prior to that, N863DA was assigned to the regular scheduled service while DL was inducting the newest 359 deliveries. Have there been 359 cancellations. sure. there have also been 333/772/77L cancellations as well, actually the 333 fleet has been a much bigger disaster this summer than the 359s. Is N863DA acting as operational spare for the 359, absolutely. Is N863DA being used to swap for 772/77L/333 when their fleets go belly up despite them having their own spares, absolutely. Simply put, I believe your opening statement "no operational spares" and "just dumb" to be an over dramatisation of the situation.


agree with you not saying it is a ton but so often when I look and there is a cancelation due to aircraft going tech it seems to be an A330-300 not sure what is up with this fleet.


It is the curse of the geography of legacy U.S. airline operations that have multiple gateway cities that are far apart. This isn't KLM where all the jets route through one station. Delta and other legacies want to put new flagship aircraft on their most competitive routes, and thus there is no way to position one spare to cover the whole operation. Even if they had a spare 359, it would be difficult to use it if LAX-PVG or ATL-ICN cancelled when the airplane was sitting in DTW. It will get even more complicated if they end up introducing JFK-BOM because then you are going to have the 777 at four long haul U.S. stations. They could consolidate widebody types by station, but they clearly think that the load/range/fuel burn profile makes it more cost effective to match the airplanes to specific routes rather than a station consolidation (like UA tried with the 744 at SF for example).

But overall I agree the 7ER and 333 fleets have had far more irregularities than the 359 this summer.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:06 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 8/15
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from M88 on RDU-ATL route (N1200K)
763ER-low J: scheduled additional DTW-ATL flight (N171DZ)
763ER-low J: scheduled upgrade from M90 on ATL-MSP route (N171DZ)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from M88 on ATL-RDU route (N1604R)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from high-J on RDU-CDG-RDU route (N1604R)
764: JKF-NCE-JFK rescue flight following previous day's cancellation (N831MH)
764: ATL-JFK ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N842MH)
7HD: ATL-DTW ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N863DA)
7HD: unscheduled swap from 369 on DTW-PEK-DTW route (N863DA)
333: unscheduled upgrade from 321 on ATL-SLC-ATL route (N811NW)
359: ATL-ICN-DTW rescue flight following previous day's cancellation (N505DN)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:16 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 8/16
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from M88 on ATL-RDU route (N1200K)
763ER-low J: MNL-NRT flight cancelled - airport runway incursion from other aircraft (N174DZ)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from M88 on RDU-ATL route (N1604R)
764: ATL-MAD flight cancelled - tech (N832MH)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:15 pm

For an airline that prides itself on "operational reliability" there sure seem to be a lot of cancelations and lengthy delays on some of the high-profile international flights this summer.
I don't know if its worse than other years, but it sure seems like others have said a lot of A330 and A359 cancelations this summer.

People rag on the 763ER at times, but they sure seem to be more reliable, or spread less thin around the system.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:17 pm

For an airline that prides itself on "operational reliability" there sure seem to be a lot of cancelations and lengthy delays on some of the high-profile international flights this summer.
I don't know if its worse than other years, but it sure seems like others have said a lot of A330 and A359 cancelations this summer.

People rag on the 763ER at times, but they sure seem to be more reliable, or spread less thin around the system.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:21 pm

763: unscheduled upgrade from 739 on ATL-JFK-ATL route (N140LL)
7HD: unscheduled swap from 77L on ATL-LAX-ATL route (N863DA)
333: CDG-JFK flight diverted to PHL - weather (N811NW)[/quote]


I have been following this thread pretty religiously as I am flying DL40 and DL41 in early 2019. I see on a regular basis a 777 unscheduled swap from ATL-LAX-ATL and am flying that leg next month. Does it usually replace a certain flight number or does it seem to vary based on when they need it in LAX?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:51 pm

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hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Not a handful. A single DTW-AMS-DTW rotation was subbed from 359 to 333 since N863DA became a spare. Prior to that, N863DA was assigned to the regular scheduled service while DL was inducting the newest 359 deliveries. Have there been 359 cancellations. sure. there have also been 333/772/77L cancellations as well, actually the 333 fleet has been a much bigger disaster this summer than the 359s. Is N863DA acting as operational spare for the 359, absolutely. Is N863DA being used to swap for 772/77L/333 when their fleets go belly up despite them having their own spares, absolutely. Simply put, I believe your opening statement "no operational spares" and "just dumb" to be an over dramatisation of the situation.


agree with you not saying it is a ton but so often when I look and there is a cancelation due to aircraft going tech it seems to be an A330-300 not sure what is up with this fleet.


It is the curse of the geography of legacy U.S. airline operations that have multiple gateway cities that are far apart. This isn't KLM where all the jets route through one station. Delta and other legacies want to put new flagship aircraft on their most competitive routes, and thus there is no way to position one spare to cover the whole operation. Even if they had a spare 359, it would be difficult to use it if LAX-PVG or ATL-ICN cancelled when the airplane was sitting in DTW. It will get even more complicated if they end up introducing JFK-BOM because then you are going to have the 777 at four long haul U.S. stations. They could consolidate widebody types by station, but they clearly think that the load/range/fuel burn profile makes it more cost effective to match the airplanes to specific routes rather than a station consolidation (like UA tried with the 744 at SF for example).

But overall I agree the 7ER and 333 fleets have had far more irregularities than the 359 this summer.


I disagree. ATL-ICN is a new route, and there’s plenty of routes that are as/more competitive than LAX-PVG. I standby my comment: DL’s decision to spread out its fleet was dumb. Many of these cancellations — and this goes well beyond the 359 — could’ve been avoided if DL would’ve concentrated specific aircraft around specific hubs and appropriately scheduled them. UA did just this a few years ago, and it made a world of a difference to its operational reliability. The DL fanboys are still bragging about DL’s cancel freak streak last fall.

Ultimately, these are for-profit corporations and DL’s disservice this summer will have a long lasting impact on thousands of customers.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:19 pm

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I have been following this thread pretty religiously as I am flying DL40 and DL41 in early 2019. I see on a regular basis a 777 unscheduled swap from ATL-LAX-ATL and am flying that leg next month. Does it usually replace a certain flight number or does it seem to vary based on when they need it in LAX?


Most of the 777 swaps were in June and early July, when DL was teething in its summer schedule. They’ve been infrequent since, and that’s not likely to change; the likelihood of any flight changing (to a 777) on a specific date is poor at best.

And your travels to SYD in January will be on a 77L - I wouldn’t expect the 359 destinations to change, nor would I get hung up in ‘SYD-LAX was cancelled three times over the summer... should I be worried’ but that’s common on a.net. Especially in Janauary, which is the slowest period of the year for long haul equipment utilization.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:57 am

4 frames in MSP: MSP-HND-MSP-CDG-MSP-ICN-MSP
Currently the frames do not allow a frame rotation in CDG due to scheduling of flights. Not sure how they will rotate the frames. Part of me thinks DL is hoping for new HND slots to be opened later this year and allocated to DL whereby the ATL-NRT flight will be replaced by an ATL-HND flight and rotate with MSP that way. Perhaps wishful thinking...


It is not MSP-ICN. There isn’t MSP-ICN.
The HND rotation is, when I checked last week, MSP-HND-LAX-HND-MSP-CDG-SEA-HKG-SEA-CDG-MSP. Not sure how many aircraft that is though.

Recently, they have done some odd things. On July 13, the inbound from LAX just turned around and went back to LAX and the inbound from MSP went back to MSP.

If DL could get another HND slot, ATL could be best. That would create some interesting rotations. Isn’t ATL-NRT a 77L? The other HND are ER.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:47 pm

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DL’s decision to spread out the A359 fleet with no operational spares is just while it’s still teething in the type is just dumb.

N863DA (7HD) is the operational spare for the 359 during the busy summer schedule. It has the Delta Suites and new interior so as far as the customer is concerned, the soft product should be the same. Interesting fact: it has sparsely been used. Testament to the induction success of the 359 in the fleet.


The 359 has what, 32 suites whereas the refurbished 777 has 28? What do you tell 4 paying business class passengers when you cant accommodate them in business class on a 14 hour flight?

I still dont get how DL only reconfigures the 777 with 28 business class seats. That, is dumb. I get it, Delta doesnt wants to maximize its revenue hence the major reduction in J seats on the 777 but it should've at least been comparable to how many seats are on the 359. It makes using global certs impossible.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:11 pm

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4 frames in MSP: MSP-HND-MSP-CDG-MSP-ICN-MSP
Currently the frames do not allow a frame rotation in CDG due to scheduling of flights. Not sure how they will rotate the frames. Part of me thinks DL is hoping for new HND slots to be opened later this year and allocated to DL whereby the ATL-NRT flight will be replaced by an ATL-HND flight and rotate with MSP that way. Perhaps wishful thinking...

It is not MSP-ICN. There isn’t MSP-ICN.
The HND rotation is, when I checked last week, MSP-HND-LAX-HND-MSP-CDG-SEA-HKG-SEA-CDG-MSP. Not sure how many aircraft that is though.
Recently, they have done some odd things. On July 13, the inbound from LAX just turned around and went back to LAX and the inbound from MSP went back to MSP.
If DL could get another HND slot, ATL could be best. That would create some interesting rotations. Isn’t ATL-NRT a 77L? The other HND are ER.

This was referring to S19 not S18.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:51 pm

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 8/17
763ER-high J: unscheduled upgrade from 75W on 9pm JFK-SFO-JFK flight (N182DN)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 75W on 7am JFK-SFO-JFK flight (N156DL)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 75W on 9pm JFK-LAX-JFK flight (N156DL)
763ER-low J: unscheduled swap from high-J on ATL-FRA-ATL route (N394DL)
763ER-low J: MNL-NRT rescue flight following previous day's cancellation (N174DZ)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 752 on ATL-FLL-ATL route (N175DZ)
763ER-low J: unscheduled upgrade from 753 on ATL-PDX-ATL route (N1604R)
332: ZRH-JFK flight cancelled - tech (N851NW)
764: ATL-MAD rescue flight following previous day's cancellation (N832MH)
333: unscheduled upgrade from 332 on DTW-LHR-DTW route (N808NW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:55 pm

jumbojet wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
compensateme wrote:
DL’s decision to spread out the A359 fleet with no operational spares is just while it’s still teething in the type is just dumb.

N863DA (7HD) is the operational spare for the 359 during the busy summer schedule. It has the Delta Suites and new interior so as far as the customer is concerned, the soft product should be the same. Interesting fact: it has sparsely been used. Testament to the induction success of the 359 in the fleet.


The 359 has what, 32 suites whereas the refurbished 777 has 28? What do you tell 4 paying business class passengers when you cant accommodate them in business class on a 14 hour flight?

I still dont get how DL only reconfigures the 777 with 28 business class seats. That, is dumb. I get it, Delta doesnt wants to maximize its revenue hence the major reduction in J seats on the 777 but it should've at least been comparable to how many seats are on the 359. It makes using global certs impossible.


"It makes Using Global Certs Impossible"--- yes you are catching on giving away a premium product at reduced price only dilutes the brand equity and the willingness of a person to pay for a service if they believe they can get it at a cheaper price.

The goal is for 100% of the J suites to go out 100% full with 100% of the passengers paying top dollar for those seats. If someone does not want to pay the premium for international business class there are other products priced at different price points.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:25 pm

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Based on the latest schedule update, it looks like the next 777 to head for Delta Suites mods will be a 77L and should do so i believe on 9/4 through a ATL-SEA commercial flight equipment swap followed by a SEA-SIN ferry flight.


What is a typical crew for a ferry flight like SEA-SIN?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:45 pm

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"It makes Using Global Certs Impossible"--- yes you are catching on giving away a premium product at reduced price only dilutes the brand equity and the willingness of a person to pay for a service if they believe they can get it at a cheaper price.

The goal is for 100% of the J suites to go out 100% full with 100% of the passengers paying top dollar for those seats. If someone does not want to pay the premium for international business class there are other products priced at different price points.


I think most people with even a little business sense understand the concept of selling all available product at full price.

The problem is it is inconsistent with the perception of “valued customer” that the airline’s loyalty program is trying to create. If Global Upgrade Certificates are unusable then they are of no value to the customer so why is marketing creating an expectation that can not be realized? They’ve diluted the brand of the loyalty program. Why is SkyMiles often referred to as SkyPesos? Because Delta, not the customer, has diluted the brand to the point of junk status.

Airlines allowing employees to fly in premium cabins over paying customers also dilutes the brand. Wait staff and cooks do not eat in the dining rooms of nice restaurants.

As a side note, my POV is that airlines should do away with complimentary upgrades. Of course it’s one of the most important perks for frequent flyers... because airlines have made the coach product so bad. All upgrades should be with money or miles/points... yes, miles/points you can actually use.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:02 pm

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The 359 has what, 32 suites whereas the refurbished 777 has 28? What do you tell 4 paying business class passengers when you cant accommodate them in business class on a 14 hour flight?

I still dont get how DL only reconfigures the 777 with 28 business class seats. That, is dumb. I get it, Delta doesnt wants to maximize its revenue hence the major reduction in J seats on the 777 but it should've at least been comparable to how many seats are on the 359. It makes using global certs impossible.


A few points...

The 359 and reconfigured 777 have a much better premium economy section.

Delta is betting that some corporate contracts customers will allow passengers/employees to move up from coach to premium economy on long haul as well as some individual paying coach passengers. This will increase revenue on a given flight.

By reducing the business class cabin Delta can potentially charge a higher premium, ie, less supply, same demand.

Economic bifurcation of the consumer is helping drive the ability of airlines to do this.

On the risk side of this strategy is the growth of carriers offering much cheaper business class offerings, eg, B6’s Mint and Norwegian.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:37 am

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jumbojet wrote:
The 359 has what, 32 suites whereas the refurbished 777 has 28? What do you tell 4 paying business class passengers when you cant accommodate them in business class on a 14 hour flight?

I still dont get how DL only reconfigures the 777 with 28 business class seats. That, is dumb. I get it, Delta doesnt wants to maximize its revenue hence the major reduction in J seats on the 777 but it should've at least been comparable to how many seats are on the 359. It makes using global certs impossible.


A few points...

The 359 and reconfigured 777 have a much better premium economy section.

Delta is betting that some corporate contracts customers will allow passengers/employees to move up from coach to premium economy on long haul as well as some individual paying coach passengers. This will increase revenue on a given flight.

By reducing the business class cabin Delta can potentially charge a higher premium, ie, less supply, same demand.

Economic bifurcation of the consumer is helping drive the ability of airlines to do this.

On the risk side of this strategy is the growth of carriers offering much cheaper business class offerings, eg, B6’s Mint and Norwegian.


The point I was trying to make is when DL has to sub a 777 for a 350, there could poentially be 4 full paying J passengers who will get screwed. I think DL should have matched each cabin in J seat for seat, The difference is only 6 which is still a reduction from the 'old' 777 J config. If I spend $8,000 on a ticket to fly business class and get told at the gate there is an aircraft swap and you will have to sit in coach, that wont go over very well. I mean, how will DL decide who gets screwed?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:18 am

jumbojet wrote:
questions wrote:
jumbojet wrote:
The 359 has what, 32 suites whereas the refurbished 777 has 28? What do you tell 4 paying business class passengers when you cant accommodate them in business class on a 14 hour flight?

I still dont get how DL only reconfigures the 777 with 28 business class seats. That, is dumb. I get it, Delta doesnt wants to maximize its revenue hence the major reduction in J seats on the 777 but it should've at least been comparable to how many seats are on the 359. It makes using global certs impossible.


A few points...

The 359 and reconfigured 777 have a much better premium economy section.

Delta is betting that some corporate contracts customers will allow passengers/employees to move up from coach to premium economy on long haul as well as some individual paying coach passengers. This will increase revenue on a given flight.

By reducing the business class cabin Delta can potentially charge a higher premium, ie, less supply, same demand.

Economic bifurcation of the consumer is helping drive the ability of airlines to do this.

On the risk side of this strategy is the growth of carriers offering much cheaper business class offerings, eg, B6’s Mint and Norwegian.


The point I was trying to make is when DL has to sub a 777 for a 350, there could poentially be 4 full paying J passengers who will get screwed. I think DL should have matched each cabin in J seat for seat, The difference is only 6 which is still a reduction from the 'old' 777 J config. If I spend $8,000 on a ticket to fly business class and get told at the gate there is an aircraft swap and you will have to sit in coach, that wont go over very well. I mean, how will DL decide who gets screwed?


I see your point. Thanks for clarifying.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2018

Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:12 am

Noteworthy Aircraft Activity 8/18
763ER-high J: scheduled additional NRT-SEA-NRT rotation (N1607B)
763ER-low J: ZRH-ATL flight diverted to SAV - weather (N172DZ)
763ER-low J: scheduled upgrade from 738 on LAX-SLC route (N173DZ)
763ER-low J: scheduled upgrade from 738 on SLC-LAX route (N178DZ)
763ER-low J: ATL-SEA-NRT ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N1603)
332: ZRH-JFK rescue flight following previous
764: JFK-ATL ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N827MH)
764: MAD-JFK rescue flight following previous day's cancellation (N829MH)
764: scheduled upgrade from 75W on 8am JFK-SFO-JFK flight (N845MH)
7HD: DTW-SEA ferry flight - aircraft repositioning (N863DA)
772: SEA-HKG flight cancelled - tech (N867DA)
333: AMS-ATL flight diverted to SAV - weather (N804NW)
333: FCO-ATL flight diverted to CAE - weather (N827NW)

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