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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:32 am

Detroit313 wrote:
So, we can for sure say that the neo is going to have 20 seats in first class and the other 321s will stay at 16?


Yep
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:43 am

I was hoping they would look the same.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:00 am

Now that flight attendant integration has taken place they need to use the not as nice 321 planes for short routes. No more transcons on those please. Move planes around! No excuse to see brand new ones doing 45 minute flights from DFW to Austin 6 times a day and not PHL to SFO for example.

I know they will all look the same by 2021, but at the moment they don't so put the right planes on the right routes.

Any info on that?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:17 am

Detroit313 wrote:
Now that flight attendant integration has taken place they need to use the not as nice 321 planes for short routes. No more transcons on those please. Move planes around! No excuse to see brand new ones doing 45 minute flights from DFW to Austin 6 times a day and not PHL to SFO for example.

I know they will all look the same by 2021, but at the moment they don't so put the right planes on the right routes.

Any info on that?


Ya. Flt attendant integration has certainly taken place but Mtc is still divided. In your example, PHL is LUS so we keep the LUS planes there and don’t freely mix them. If operationally needed there may be a sub onto one of the fresh 321s you speak of but by the end of the flying day or early the next day they will be back in “type”.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:37 am

Detroit313 wrote:
Now that flight attendant integration has taken place they need to use the not as nice 321 planes for short routes. No more transcons on those please. Move planes around! No excuse to see brand new ones doing 45 minute flights from DFW to Austin 6 times a day and not PHL to SFO for example.

I know they will all look the same by 2021, but at the moment they don't so put the right planes on the right routes.

Any info on that?


I don't think they'll bother. When you get a 738, it could be any 738; they don't keep the "not so nice" ones on short routes.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:02 am

slowrambler wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Now that flight attendant integration has taken place they need to use the not as nice 321 planes for short routes. No more transcons on those please. Move planes around! No excuse to see brand new ones doing 45 minute flights from DFW to Austin 6 times a day and not PHL to SFO for example.

I know they will all look the same by 2021, but at the moment they don't so put the right planes on the right routes.

Any info on that?


I don't think they'll bother. When you get a 738, it could be any 738; they don't keep the "not so nice" ones on short routes.


Well, here we are not talking about just nice or not so nice. No matter what 737 you get, it is going to have power ports.

We are talking about the fact that PHL and CLT to the west coast 321 has no power ports while DFW to Austin and San Antonio does.

They need to hurry up with the retrofits if they can't move planes around.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:24 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
Now that flight attendant integration has taken place they need to use the not as nice 321 planes for short routes. No more transcons on those please. Move planes around! No excuse to see brand new ones doing 45 minute flights from DFW to Austin 6 times a day and not PHL to SFO for example.

I know they will all look the same by 2021, but at the moment they don't so put the right planes on the right routes.

Any info on that?

When the retrofits are completed, all the planes will be "not as nice" - cramped seating, thinner padding, no IFE.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:28 pm

Austin787 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Now that flight attendant integration has taken place they need to use the not as nice 321 planes for short routes. No more transcons on those please. Move planes around! No excuse to see brand new ones doing 45 minute flights from DFW to Austin 6 times a day and not PHL to SFO for example.

I know they will all look the same by 2021, but at the moment they don't so put the right planes on the right routes.

Any info on that?

When the retrofits are completed, all the planes will be "not as nice" - cramped seating, thinner padding, no IFE.


Personally, I'll take the comfortable LUS seats and 32 inch pitch over the LAA 30inch pitch, no padding and narrower aisle seats.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:37 pm

Austin787 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Now that flight attendant integration has taken place they need to use the not as nice 321 planes for short routes. No more transcons on those please. Move planes around! No excuse to see brand new ones doing 45 minute flights from DFW to Austin 6 times a day and not PHL to SFO for example.

I know they will all look the same by 2021, but at the moment they don't so put the right planes on the right routes.

Any info on that?

When the retrofits are completed, all the planes will be "not as nice" - cramped seating, thinner padding, no IFE.


Other things aside, can we stop confusing "no IFE" with "no seatback AVOD"?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:42 pm

AVOD equipped aircraft already have streaming. But I can’t imagine it gets much use since AVOD has more content.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:54 pm

GoingforGreAAt wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
So, we can for sure say that the neo is going to have 20 seats in first class and the other 321s will stay at 16?


Yep

Incorrect. The Oasis remodel to the classic A321s will bring them to 20F/170Y, the neo will be 20F/176Y.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:55 pm

I noticed alot of envoy at CLT. That hub is nearly all wholly owned regionals now.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:19 pm

Austin787 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Now that flight attendant integration has taken place they need to use the not as nice 321 planes for short routes. No more transcons on those please. Move planes around! No excuse to see brand new ones doing 45 minute flights from DFW to Austin 6 times a day and not PHL to SFO for example.

I know they will all look the same by 2021, but at the moment they don't so put the right planes on the right routes.

Any info on that?

When the retrofits are completed, all the planes will be "not as nice" - cramped seating, thinner padding, no IFE.


I don't agree. I have flown the MAX and I like it. Enormous bins that offer space for everyone's bags, power ports, USB ports, super fast internet. That is all I need on a plane in 2018. I am sure I will like the 321s too.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:06 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
Austin787 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Now that flight attendant integration has taken place they need to use the not as nice 321 planes for short routes. No more transcons on those please. Move planes around! No excuse to see brand new ones doing 45 minute flights from DFW to Austin 6 times a day and not PHL to SFO for example.

I know they will all look the same by 2021, but at the moment they don't so put the right planes on the right routes.

Any info on that?

When the retrofits are completed, all the planes will be "not as nice" - cramped seating, thinner padding, no IFE.


I don't agree. I have flown the MAX and I like it. Enormous bins that offer space for everyone's bags, power ports, USB ports, super fast internet. That is all I need on a plane in 2018. I am sure I will like the 321s too.


Apparently all of the A321s (except for A321T?) are going to be the same soon, except that the A321neo will have an extra row due to ACF. So there would be no tangible difference.

AA321T wrote:
GoingforGreAAt wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
So, we can for sure say that the neo is going to have 20 seats in first class and the other 321s will stay at 16?


Yep

Incorrect. The Oasis remodel to the classic A321s will bring them to 20F/170Y, the neo will be 20F/176Y.


Well that ought to appease the elites a little and allow them to get more upgrades after their anger at the 788 losing J.

GoingforGreAAt wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Swadian wrote:

Yeah, I can see how A321neos will be 196 seats if the A321ceo is 190 because ACF would increase capacity, but doesn't this mean they can't do 196 on the A321ceo? So there'd still be 5 A321 subfleets that are not interchangeable:
A321
A321T
A321 ETOPS
A321neo
A321neo ETOPS

That's not even counting any possible Transcon / International A321neo with lie-flat J seats like the 75L. So much for fleet simplification.


Yeah I see your point. Most likely the A321 is going to be 196. But I guess in order to get 196 seats the center bathroom is going to be removed for the current A321?



all 321 ac beside the neo will be modded to 190 seats. The neo will be 196. The current 321 etops ac will rarely fly etops once the 321neos will arrive.
The 321 fleet will be more aligned that what it appears


You mean A321T will be gutted and the A321H won't even be redeployed to the Caribbean?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:38 pm

I am a Boeing fan but I think AA made a mistake taking delivery on the Max. A straight airbus NB fleet would offer far more synergies going forward. Especially with a network as complex as AA's.
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Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:40 pm

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I am a Boeing fan but I think AA made a mistake taking delivery on the Max. A straight airbus NB fleet would offer far more synergies going forward. Especially with a network as complex as AA's.


A fleet size of 300+ makes it more than big enough to find a synergy within the 738 fleet. Personally, I think the mix of 319/738/321 is the right mix for AA. Moving out the 738s and going strictly 319/320/321 provides some capacity holes because a 190 seat 321 may be too much for a certain market while the next lowest size of 150 may not be quite enough. Now I will say, jumping from a 319 to a 7M8 is a 44 seat gap and definitely a big gap to overcome. However, I'd say the 160 - 190 seat range is the sweet spot for most domestic markets that see Mainline service currently.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:02 pm

One big difference with the 321Neo and the current 321 is that the Neo will not have doors at 2L/2R. Instead will have over wing exits.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:39 pm

Can't wait for the 321s to have giant overhead bins like the MAX.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:26 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
Can't wait for the 321s to have giant overhead bins like the MAX.


I can't wait for power ports!
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:04 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1045019844213649409?s=20

JonNYC seems to be a reliable AA insider but the A321neo is rumored to have 196 seats. (20 F and 176 Y)

As of now the A321ceo is scheduled to have 190 seats . Although I have no idea if they are going to 196 seats for the ceo.


The A321neo is definitely going to be 20F/176Y. The seat map has made its way into several internal documents to employees.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:07 pm

miaami wrote:
One big difference with the 321Neo and the current 321 is that the Neo will not have doors at 2L/2R. Instead will have over wing exits.


Will there still be doors in row 24-ish?
 
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:57 pm

AAtakeMeAway wrote:
miaami wrote:
One big difference with the 321Neo and the current 321 is that the Neo will not have doors at 2L/2R. Instead will have over wing exits.


Will there still be doors in row 24-ish?

Yes the only change is that there are no doors where 2L/R were, instead there is a single set of overwing exits.
 
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:08 pm

AA321T wrote:
AAtakeMeAway wrote:
miaami wrote:
One big difference with the 321Neo and the current 321 is that the Neo will not have doors at 2L/2R. Instead will have over wing exits.


Will there still be doors in row 24-ish?

Yes the only change is that there are no doors where 2L/R were, instead there is a single set of overwing exits.


That's too bad. The nice thing about the A321 is the 2L/R exit door legroom while being just a few rows from the front of economy (faster to get off the plane).
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:51 am

I’ll take a MAX over an unrenovated LUS A321. I hate arriving with my phone low on battery, and the fast WiFi rocks. Could be that I’m under 30 though.
 
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Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:41 pm

dfdubflyer wrote:
I’ll take a MAX over an unrenovated LUS A321. I hate arriving with my phone low on battery, and the fast WiFi rocks. Could be that I’m under 30 though.


I too am under 30 and I would much rather ride on the LUS A321s than the MAX. By far the most generous MC out there among the US3. Could be that I am 6'2" though.
 
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Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:56 pm

mikeyp224 wrote:
dfdubflyer wrote:
I’ll take a MAX over an unrenovated LUS A321. I hate arriving with my phone low on battery, and the fast WiFi rocks. Could be that I’m under 30 though.


I too am under 30 and I would much rather ride on the LUS A321s than the MAX. By far the most generous MC out there among the US3. Could be that I am 6'2" though.


I'm 5'6" and I don't like using my phone, so I prefer the A321 LAA or LUS.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:46 am

GoingforGreAAt wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Now that flight attendant integration has taken place they need to use the not as nice 321 planes for short routes. No more transcons on those please. Move planes around! No excuse to see brand new ones doing 45 minute flights from DFW to Austin 6 times a day and not PHL to SFO for example.

I know they will all look the same by 2021, but at the moment they don't so put the right planes on the right routes.

Any info on that?


Ya. Flt attendant integration has certainly taken place but Mtc is still divided. In your example, PHL is LUS so we keep the LUS planes there and don’t freely mix them. If operationally needed there may be a sub onto one of the fresh 321s you speak of but by the end of the flying day or early the next day they will be back in “type”.


Is there a date for MTC integration or are they waiting on negotiations? So they are totally prohibited from working on each others a/c? Don't recall this being mentioned in any of the comments from Doug or Isom unless I overlooked. Seems like they were both saying that once they F/A integration is complete, they would be able to take advantage of a/c scheduling synergies.
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:49 am

Austin787 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Now that flight attendant integration has taken place they need to use the not as nice 321 planes for short routes. No more transcons on those please. Move planes around! No excuse to see brand new ones doing 45 minute flights from DFW to Austin 6 times a day and not PHL to SFO for example.

I know they will all look the same by 2021, but at the moment they don't so put the right planes on the right routes.

Any info on that?

When the retrofits are completed, all the planes will be "not as nice" - cramped seating, thinner padding, no IFE.


I flew a LAA A319 today AUS-MIA nonstop in MCE and trust me it was no party. I'm not a tall guy and I was cramped, can't imagine regular Y. Status has "some" benefits.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:34 pm

is aa still planning to have 26 s80 remain at the end of this year? At last count there are 30 remaining, so there are still 4 more to be removed if the original plan is still in place.
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:54 pm

The S80s seem to be completely confined to DFW in the January schedule. The three ORD flights (MSP, STL, RDU) are gone. They still show up in later schedules, but I'm guessing those aren't finalized yet and the S80s will probably stay put in DFW for the duration of their existence in the AA fleet.
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:20 pm

Any info on when the last date is...or at least what month?
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:12 pm

727LOVER wrote:
Any info on when the last date is...or at least what month?


They're supposed to be retired at the end of the summer schedule next year, which is usually the last week or two of August.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:18 pm

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The S80s seem to be completely confined to DFW in the January schedule. The three ORD flights (MSP, STL, RDU) are gone. They still show up in later schedules, but I'm guessing those aren't finalized yet and the S80s will probably stay put in DFW for the duration of their existence in the AA fleet.

Anything beyond January 2019 is not finalized yet on AA’s site.
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:20 pm

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I am a Boeing fan but I think AA made a mistake taking delivery on the Max. A straight airbus NB fleet would offer far more synergies going forward. Especially with a network as complex as AA's.


For a quick refresher, in 2011, AA ordered 460 narrow body (200 Boeing / 260 Airbus) with options and purchase rights for an additional 465 planes through 2025 (100 Boeing / 365 Airbus). Delivery for the first firm order was scheduled over an 11 year period (2013-2022). Neither Boeing or Airbus could solely absorb that kind of order on their own and splitting it gave AA tremendous leverage to negotiate pricing and terms (most favored nation clause for the A321 for example).

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

viewtopic.php?t=1375483&start=50

It also works well to split it between the two since the 737-800/8 is better than the A-320 and the A-321 is better that the 737-900/9.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:59 pm

osupoke07 wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
I am a Boeing fan but I think AA made a mistake taking delivery on the Max. A straight airbus NB fleet would offer far more synergies going forward. Especially with a network as complex as AA's.


For a quick refresher, in 2011, AA ordered 460 narrow body (200 Boeing / 260 Airbus) with options and purchase rights for an additional 465 planes through 2025 (100 Boeing / 365 Airbus). Delivery for the first firm order was scheduled over an 11 year period (2013-2022). Neither Boeing or Airbus could solely absorb that kind of order on their own and splitting it gave AA tremendous leverage to negotiate pricing and terms (most favored nation clause for the A321 for example).

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

viewtopic.php?t=1375483&start=50

It also works well to split it between the two since the 737-800/8 is better than the A-320 and the A-321 is better that the 737-900/9.


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Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:34 am

FSDan wrote:
The S80s seem to be completely confined to DFW in the January schedule. The three ORD flights (MSP, STL, RDU) are gone. They still show up in later schedules, but I'm guessing those aren't finalized yet and the S80s will probably stay put in DFW for the duration of their existence in the AA fleet.


So at the start of 2019, ORD should see no more MD-80 at all, as far as AA is concerned. Because ORD-DFW is already MD-80 free. It's interesting that ORD still sees MD-80s to three destinations, RDU, STL and MSP but not DFW. I would have expected the last MD-80 route out of ORD to be ORD-DFW. Once ORD stops seeing the MD-80, which I expect to be the case in three months from now, anywhere you will see an MD-80 you can be sure it comes from and goes back to DFW. 26 MD-80s will be left at the start of 2019.
With the MD-80 fleet drastically shrinking, it doesn't make sense to still have two separate bases.
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Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:34 am

American 767 wrote:
FSDan wrote:
The S80s seem to be completely confined to DFW in the January schedule. The three ORD flights (MSP, STL, RDU) are gone. They still show up in later schedules, but I'm guessing those aren't finalized yet and the S80s will probably stay put in DFW for the duration of their existence in the AA fleet.


So at the start of 2019, ORD should see no more MD-80 at all, as far as AA is concerned. Because ORD-DFW is already MD-80 free. It's interesting that ORD still sees MD-80s to three destinations, RDU, STL and MSP but not DFW. I would have expected the last MD-80 route out of ORD to be ORD-DFW. Once ORD stops seeing the MD-80, which I expect to be the case in three months from now, anywhere you will see an MD-80 you can be sure it comes from and goes back to DFW. 26 MD-80s will be left at the start of 2019.
With the MD-80 fleet drastically shrinking, it doesn't make sense to still have two separate bases.


I still have a feeling AA will extend very few MD-83 flights into 2019 and 2020...
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:21 pm

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I still have a feeling AA will extend very few MD-83 flights into 2019 and 2020...


The retirement of 2019 is pretty firm so I see a 0% change of anything being carried over into 2020. At most they will remain through a few extra months in 2019 and exit during the December 1st half. The narrowbody replacements for them are already scheduled and planned and its far more efficient to be MD-80less than to hold on to a small handful.
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Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:56 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
I am a Boeing fan but I think AA made a mistake taking delivery on the Max. A straight airbus NB fleet would offer far more synergies going forward. Especially with a network as complex as AA's.


The problem was that neither Airbus nor Boeing could deliver the entire order that AA wanted to place for narrowbodies. So, the order was split between both, with Airbus getting the small are large narrowbodies (A319 and A321) and Boeing getting the middle-sized narrowbody (738).

In a perfect world, Boeing would have had room in the order book for the entire order. To simply add 737-700s and 737-900s, to replace the MD-80s and 757 would have created cost savings.
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:08 pm

alasizon wrote:
September11 wrote:
I still have a feeling AA will extend very few MD-83 flights into 2019 and 2020...


The retirement of 2019 is pretty firm so I see a 0% change of anything being carried over into 2020. At most they will remain through a few extra months in 2019 and exit during the December 1st half. The narrowbody replacements for them are already scheduled and planned and its far more efficient to be MD-80less than to hold on to a small handful.


I would offer that IF fuel rises as some "experts" indicate ( due to upcoming Iranian sanctions) , the retirement of the MD80's could be accelerated a tad more. Perhaps some tweaking of utilization could cover most of the trips. It would make sense to keep them based on routs where fuel is purchased at lowest cost (TX,LA,OK, MO)
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:25 pm

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To simply add 737-700s and 737-900s, to replace the MD-80s and 757 would have created cost savings.


If the merger with US had not occurred then yes, I would agree. Because the merger with US brought in a lot of A319/320/321 aircraft in the fleet, so it turned out that ordering initially the A319 and A321 was a good thing because it made the merger of the two fleets into one easier. Because imagine, in the perfect world that you describe, if they had ordered only NG737s, 700s and 900s in addition to the 800s, the merger with US would have brought in a lot of narrowbody Airbusses anyway so it would not have have made the merger any easier if not more difficult.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:44 pm

American 767 wrote:
ckfred wrote:
To simply add 737-700s and 737-900s, to replace the MD-80s and 757 would have created cost savings.


If the merger with US had not occurred then yes, I would agree. Because the merger with US brought in a lot of A319/320/321 aircraft in the fleet, so it turned out that ordering initially the A319 and A321 was a good thing because it made the merger of the two fleets into one easier. Because imagine, in the perfect world that you describe, if they had ordered only NG737s, 700s and 900s in addition to the 800s, the merger with US would have brought in a lot of narrowbody Airbusses anyway so it would not have have made the merger any easier if not more difficult.


AA will now have a simpler fleet than DL/UA, both of whom will have multiple variants of both the 737 and A320 to deal with, as well as many versions of the 757 whereas AA will only have the 75L once 75H is retired next year.

Tan Flyr wrote:
alasizon wrote:
September11 wrote:
I still have a feeling AA will extend very few MD-83 flights into 2019 and 2020...


The retirement of 2019 is pretty firm so I see a 0% change of anything being carried over into 2020. At most they will remain through a few extra months in 2019 and exit during the December 1st half. The narrowbody replacements for them are already scheduled and planned and its far more efficient to be MD-80less than to hold on to a small handful.


I would offer that IF fuel rises as some "experts" indicate ( due to upcoming Iranian sanctions) , the retirement of the MD80's could be accelerated a tad more. Perhaps some tweaking of utilization could cover most of the trips. It would make sense to keep them based on routs where fuel is purchased at lowest cost (TX,LA,OK, MO)


Gasoline is already $4.00/gal at some places in California.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:46 pm

E145 N652RS is en route from ABI to RIC for transfer from Envoy to Piedmont. 52 x E145 on property now at Piedmont.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:29 pm

September11 wrote:
American 767 wrote:
FSDan wrote:
The S80s seem to be completely confined to DFW in the January schedule. The three ORD flights (MSP, STL, RDU) are gone. They still show up in later schedules, but I'm guessing those aren't finalized yet and the S80s will probably stay put in DFW for the duration of their existence in the AA fleet.


So at the start of 2019, ORD should see no more MD-80 at all, as far as AA is concerned. Because ORD-DFW is already MD-80 free. It's interesting that ORD still sees MD-80s to three destinations, RDU, STL and MSP but not DFW. I would have expected the last MD-80 route out of ORD to be ORD-DFW. Once ORD stops seeing the MD-80, which I expect to be the case in three months from now, anywhere you will see an MD-80 you can be sure it comes from and goes back to DFW. 26 MD-80s will be left at the start of 2019.
With the MD-80 fleet drastically shrinking, it doesn't make sense to still have two separate bases.


I still have a feeling AA will extend very few MD-83 flights into 2019 and 2020...


The MD80 requires an ADSB upgrade to fly after Jan 1 2020. It is my understanding that AA will not complete this upgrade and therefore the planes won’t be able to fly after that date.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:38 pm

Anyone know roughly when the first A321neo delivery and revenue flight will be?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:03 pm

mikejepp wrote:
Anyone know roughly when the first A321neo delivery and revenue flight will be?


Delivery I believe is early March with PHX doing the indoc. The first revenue flights will be out of PHX & LAX sometime around mid-April from my understanding.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:22 pm

If fuel continues to rise expect to see expansion curtailed, routes cut or reduced frequency. The MD80 would probably exit quicker, maybe even other a/c set for retirement.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:23 pm

alasizon wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
Anyone know roughly when the first A321neo delivery and revenue flight will be?


Delivery I believe is early March with PHX doing the indoc. The first revenue flights will be out of PHX & LAX sometime around mid-April from my understanding.

First one is being delivered in late January from the documents I'm looking at right now, not sure when the first revenue flight is scheduled. The schedule for now is showing one in January, one in February, and two each in April through July.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:08 pm

Another 787-900 was just delivered.

That's the 40th 787 overall for American Airlines.

20 of them are 787-900s and 20 of them 787-800s.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:23 pm

No such thing as a 787-800/900. Only 787-8/9.

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