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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:25 pm

When are the final 2 787-9 supposed to be delivered? The remaining 25 won't be delivered until 2023.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:40 pm

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When are the final 2 787-9 supposed to be delivered? The remaining 25 won't be delivered until 2023.


Both next year, 2019.

The deliveries of the second order (22 788s and 25 789s) will start in 2020. The plan right now is to take delivery of 12 788s in 2020.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:21 am

Detroit313 wrote:
Another 787-900 was just delivered.

That's the 40th 787 overall for American Airlines.

20 of them are 787-900s and 20 of them 787-800s.

B787-9, N839AA, was turned over to AA yesterday, and ferried to DFW today, Nov. 24. Delivery flight was AAL9702.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:28 am

DFWandOMA wrote:
When are the final 2 787-9 supposed to be delivered? The remaining 25 won't be delivered until 2023.

The 41st B787-9 currently shows a delivery date of 1-17-19, coming out of CHS. The 42nd aircraft currently does not show a delivery date.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:16 am

Rdeggendorfer wrote:
No such thing as a 787-800/900. Only 787-8/9.

Oops, you are right. I was thinking about the 737s as I was typing.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:38 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
Rdeggendorfer wrote:
No such thing as a 787-800/900. Only 787-8/9.

Oops, you are right. I was thinking about the 737s as I was typing.


Was I the only one that thought leleko747 would pop up and correct him? Lol jokes aside, as much as I love these new Dreamliners which I hope to fly soon, the seating arrangement isn't gonna be as best as the 767. Not mentioning the windows being controlled by the flight attendants.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:12 pm

Narfish641 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Rdeggendorfer wrote:
No such thing as a 787-800/900. Only 787-8/9.

Oops, you are right. I was thinking about the 737s as I was typing.


Was I the only one that thought leleko747 would pop up and correct him? Lol jokes aside, as much as I love these new Dreamliners which I hope to fly soon, the seating arrangement isn't gonna be as best as the 767. Not mentioning the windows being controlled by the flight attendants.


What? The windows controlled by a Flight Attendant? I haven't been on a 787 yet. But from what I have heard, you can dim your window yourself.
Does that mean with American you can't do it yourself?
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Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:32 pm

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Narfish641 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Oops, you are right. I was thinking about the 737s as I was typing.


Was I the only one that thought leleko747 would pop up and correct him? Lol jokes aside, as much as I love these new Dreamliners which I hope to fly soon, the seating arrangement isn't gonna be as best as the 767. Not mentioning the windows being controlled by the flight attendants.


What? The windows controlled by a Flight Attendant? I haven't been on a 787 yet. But from what I have heard, you can dim your window yourself.
Does that mean with American you can't do it yourself?


For some airlines they automatically dim them, but I am not sure about American.
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Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:32 am

CR7 N506AE is en route from MQT to DAY for transfer from Envoy to PSA. 45 x CR7 on property now at PSA.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N506AE
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:34 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
DFWandOMA wrote:
When are the final 2 787-9 supposed to be delivered? The remaining 25 won't be delivered until 2023.

The 41st B787-9 currently shows a delivery date of 1-17-19, coming out of CHS. The 42nd aircraft currently does not show a delivery date.



And still not a single 787 for MIA. I guess we'll need to wait until the 763 fleet is gone.
 
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Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:31 pm

American 767 wrote:
Narfish641 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Oops, you are right. I was thinking about the 737s as I was typing.


Was I the only one that thought leleko747 would pop up and correct him? Lol jokes aside, as much as I love these new Dreamliners which I hope to fly soon, the seating arrangement isn't gonna be as best as the 767. Not mentioning the windows being controlled by the flight attendants.


What? The windows controlled by a Flight Attendant? I haven't been on a 787 yet. But from what I have heard, you can dim your window yourself.
Does that mean with American you can't do it yourself?


Each window has a button, however, the FAs can override it up front for westbound TATL flights for example when they want you to sleep.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:55 am

PotatoPappas wrote:
American 767 wrote:
Narfish641 wrote:

Was I the only one that thought leleko747 would pop up and correct him? Lol jokes aside, as much as I love these new Dreamliners which I hope to fly soon, the seating arrangement isn't gonna be as best as the 767. Not mentioning the windows being controlled by the flight attendants.


What? The windows controlled by a Flight Attendant? I haven't been on a 787 yet. But from what I have heard, you can dim your window yourself.
Does that mean with American you can't do it yourself?


Each window has a button, however, the FAs can override it up front for westbound TATL flights for example when they want you to sleep.

Which just irritated the crap out of me as I missed some beautiful views of a moonlit South Pacific as well as a sunrise among other reasons to stare out the window on a 15 hour flight.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:18 pm

N62NA wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
DFWandOMA wrote:
When are the final 2 787-9 supposed to be delivered? The remaining 25 won't be delivered until 2023.

The 41st B787-9 currently shows a delivery date of 1-17-19, coming out of CHS. The 42nd aircraft currently does not show a delivery date.



And still not a single 787 for MIA. I guess we'll need to wait until the 763 fleet is gone.


With only 2 789 left for delivery in the next year, it's only reasonable to put then together at DFW and LAX for maintenance purposes. Rest assured that the 787 will make it to MIA eventually, and MIA already has plenty of 77E which offer essentially the same product anyway (except without the dimmable windows, which is a plus for me).
 
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:57 pm

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501 is done. It will be used for de-icing training and then sent to ROW.

Not yet...N501AA is still flying around in revenue service.
 
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:14 pm

Next 737MAX8 is due for delivery tomorrow 3RS / N338RS ferry flight 9701.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:46 pm

Swadian wrote:
N62NA wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
The 41st B787-9 currently shows a delivery date of 1-17-19, coming out of CHS. The 42nd aircraft currently does not show a delivery date.



And still not a single 787 for MIA. I guess we'll need to wait until the 763 fleet is gone.


With only 2 789 left for delivery in the next year, it's only reasonable to put then together at DFW and LAX for maintenance purposes. Rest assured that the 787 will make it to MIA eventually, and MIA already has plenty of 77E which offer essentially the same product anyway (except without the dimmable windows, which is a plus for me).


So the delivery of the first batch, 42 airplanes, will be completed once these two 789s are delivered. Which means, after that, the deliveries of the second batch will start with a 788,, an order of 45 airplanes (22 788s and 23 789s) placed earlier this year. I don't think we'll see the 787 in MIA before 2020.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:55 am

How many 737s have been retrofitted so far? Have they been doing around 6-7 per month?
 
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Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:57 am

The bigger routes out of MIA need the 777's cargo capacity but not the range the 787 provide. LAX, DFW and ORD have Pacific flights using the 787's range and smaller capacity. IF MIA ever goes to Tokyo is when AA will use a 787-9 in Miami. Charlotte and Philadelphia would love to see 787's too, a route to Tokyo from one or both has to be an AA priority. UA has flights to Tokyo from eight cities and AA only from 3(soon could be 2), that is not only a problem but an embarrassment.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:24 pm

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How many 737s have been retrofitted so far? Have they been doing around 6-7 per month?

Currently there are 20 active 738K’s. 6-7 is what they’re goaling per a month but I heard they were trying to get it up to 8.
 
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Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:53 pm

AA321T wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
How many 737s have been retrofitted so far? Have they been doing around 6-7 per month?

Currently there are 20 active 738K’s. 6-7 is what they’re goaling per a month but I heard they were trying to get it up to 8.


Do you know if they do the older ones with the small bins first? Or it is completely random? Are the ones from 1999-2000 going to be retrofitted or no because they will retire them soon?
 
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Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:44 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
AA321T wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
How many 737s have been retrofitted so far? Have they been doing around 6-7 per month?

Currently there are 20 active 738K’s. 6-7 is what they’re goaling per a month but I heard they were trying to get it up to 8.


Do you know if they do the older ones with the small bins first? Or it is completely random? Are the ones from 1999-2000 going to be retrofitted or no because they will retire them soon?


It appears they started with the 2009 build 737s and are moving forward. N979AN is the oldest, so far.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:33 pm

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The bigger routes out of MIA need the 777's cargo capacity but not the range the 787 provide. LAX, DFW and ORD have Pacific flights using the 787's range and smaller capacity. IF MIA ever goes to Tokyo is when AA will use a 787-9 in Miami. Charlotte and Philadelphia would love to see 787's too, a route to Tokyo from one or both has to be an AA priority. UA has flights to Tokyo from eight cities and AA only from 3(soon could be 2), that is not only a problem but an embarrassment.


I don't think it's that much of an embarrassment, in my opinion, because look how many flights a day JAL has from NRT to US cities: they fly to JFK, LAX, SFO, BOS, that's already no less than 4 daily flights to the US, if not more. I'm sure there are more that I'm missing. I'm not talking about codeshare with AA, I'm talking only about JAL on its own metal. The thing is, American relies on JAL for passenger traffic between the US and Japan. I don't see American adding flights to NRT or HND on its own metal, at least not anytime soon. American is too weak in Japan, on its own, that's why they need to be with JAL to be competitive against Delta and United.

The reason Delta and United are much stronger in Japan is because, United always had a strong network in the Pacific Rim since taking over Pan Am's routes in the mid 80s, and Delta inherited that from Northwest which was always very strong in Japan.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:07 pm

jfk777 wrote:
The bigger routes out of MIA need the 777's cargo capacity but not the range the 787 provide. LAX, DFW and ORD have Pacific flights using the 787's range and smaller capacity. IF MIA ever goes to Tokyo is when AA will use a 787-9 in Miami. Charlotte and Philadelphia would love to see 787's too, a route to Tokyo from one or both has to be an AA priority. UA has flights to Tokyo from eight cities and AA only from 3(soon could be 2), that is not only a problem but an embarrassment.


That's why AA didn't order the 78X; it has less range than a 789, more passenger capacity than a 77E, and less cargo payload than both. If AA needs cargo payload to South America, the 78X is the last thing they'll want. Flying to Europe with the 78X is also unattractive because AA is focused on growth to secondary Europe; DBV or BUD aren't going to support a 78X.

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Swadian wrote:
N62NA wrote:


And still not a single 787 for MIA. I guess we'll need to wait until the 763 fleet is gone.


With only 2 789 left for delivery in the next year, it's only reasonable to put then together at DFW and LAX for maintenance purposes. Rest assured that the 787 will make it to MIA eventually, and MIA already has plenty of 77E which offer essentially the same product anyway (except without the dimmable windows, which is a plus for me).


So the delivery of the first batch, 42 airplanes, will be completed once these two 789s are delivered. Which means, after that, the deliveries of the second batch will start with a 788,, an order of 45 airplanes (22 788s and 23 789s) placed earlier this year. I don't think we'll see the 787 in MIA before 2020.


Small correction, I thought it was 25 789 in the next order?

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jfk777 wrote:
The bigger routes out of MIA need the 777's cargo capacity but not the range the 787 provide. LAX, DFW and ORD have Pacific flights using the 787's range and smaller capacity. IF MIA ever goes to Tokyo is when AA will use a 787-9 in Miami. Charlotte and Philadelphia would love to see 787's too, a route to Tokyo from one or both has to be an AA priority. UA has flights to Tokyo from eight cities and AA only from 3(soon could be 2), that is not only a problem but an embarrassment.


I don't think it's that much of an embarrassment, in my opinion, because look how many flights a day JAL has from NRT to US cities: they fly to JFK, LAX, SFO, BOS, that's already no less than 4 daily flights to the US, if not more. I'm sure there are more that I'm missing. I'm not talking about codeshare with AA, I'm talking only about JAL on its own metal. The thing is, American relies on JAL for passenger traffic between the US and Japan. I don't see American adding flights to NRT or HND on its own metal, at least not anytime soon. American is too weak in Japan, on its own, that's why they need to be with JAL to be competitive against Delta and United.

The reason Delta and United are much stronger in Japan is because, United always had a strong network in the Pacific Rim since taking over Pan Am's routes in the mid 80s, and Delta inherited that from Northwest which was always very strong in Japan.


JAL actually flies to the US much more: DFW, soon to begin SEA, soon to begin multi-daily to ORD to fill in for AA's reduced frequencies, multi-daily to JFK and LAX, and possibly going to try PHL or MIA in the future if AA doesn't. JAL 788 or 789 would be perfect for PHL or MIA.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:30 pm

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Small correction, I thought it was 25 789 in the next order?


Yes you are right. 25. I should have said an order of 47 airplanes. Thanks for the correction.
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:55 am

Is the 321 retrofit going to start in February of 2019 as mentioned in previous posts? Any updates on that?
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:23 pm

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Is the 321 retrofit going to start in February of 2019 as mentioned in previous posts? Any updates on that?


To add to that, would be the LUS first then the LAA 321?
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:28 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Is the 321 retrofit going to start in February of 2019 as mentioned in previous posts? Any updates on that?


To add to that, would be the LUS first then the LAA 321?


Where are they starting with these retrofits? Getting tired of flying CLT/PHL-SEA/PHX/LAX on these horrific 321s.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:24 pm

News from Skywest

SkyWest expects the 18 CRJ700s currently flown by ExpressJet for American Airlines will not be extended beyond early 2019. The 18 CRJ700s include 12 aircraft from the original contract with American and six short-term aircraft that transitioned from the Delta contract. The majority of these aircraft are leased.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:31 pm

csweet wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Is the 321 retrofit going to start in February of 2019 as mentioned in previous posts? Any updates on that?


To add to that, would be the LUS first then the LAA 321?


Where are they starting with these retrofits? Getting tired of flying CLT/PHL-SEA/PHX/LAX on these horrific 321s.

Still starting in February. LUS planes are getting done first, starting with the oldest planes first.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:32 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
AA321T wrote:
Currently there are 20 active 738K’s. 6-7 is what they’re goaling per a month but I heard they were trying to get it up to 8.


Do you know if they do the older ones with the small bins first? Or it is completely random? Are the ones from 1999-2000 going to be retrofitted or no because they will retire them soon?


It appears they started with the 2009 build 737s and are moving forward. N979AN is the oldest, so far.

That’s the oldest one that will be completed. Any frames older than N979AN will not be retrofit as they are slated for retirement.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:32 pm

AA321T wrote:
csweet wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:

To add to that, would be the LUS first then the LAA 321?


Where are they starting with these retrofits? Getting tired of flying CLT/PHL-SEA/PHX/LAX on these horrific 321s.

Still starting in February. LUS planes are getting done first, starting with the oldest planes first.


Thank goodness, this made my day!
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:43 pm

February can't come soon enough. I'm looking forward to finally getting power in the seats.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:10 pm

LAXintl wrote:
News from Skywest

SkyWest expects the 18 CRJ700s currently flown by ExpressJet for American Airlines will not be extended beyond early 2019. The 18 CRJ700s include 12 aircraft from the original contract with American and six short-term aircraft that transitioned from the Delta contract. The majority of these aircraft are leased.


These aircraft all have brand new interiors. One of the Delta planes, N755EV, just began flying for AA this week. There are also several ex-Horizon birds all with -QX registrations that got new interiors in 2015-16. Those are some of the oldest CRJ-700s flying.

More from the same article LAXintl posted:
"""For the short-term, we expect to retain the majority of these aircraft under our various American [Eagle] flying agreements with some transition expense," he said. "However, since we own these aircraft with very little debt remaining, we are evaluating various options for these aircraft, including selling, leasing to third parties or utilizing or selling their parts."

Still on ExpressJet, Steel said that SkyWest does not expect American Airlines to extend flying contracts covering eighteen CRJ-700s beyond early 2019. The aircraft entail 12 from an original contract with American and six short-term aircraft that were transitioned to American Eagle from the Delta contract.

"We expect to return these aircraft to the lessors by early 2019," he added.""
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -contracts
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:42 pm

mhkansan wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
News from Skywest

SkyWest expects the 18 CRJ700s currently flown by ExpressJet for American Airlines will not be extended beyond early 2019. The 18 CRJ700s include 12 aircraft from the original contract with American and six short-term aircraft that transitioned from the Delta contract. The majority of these aircraft are leased.


These aircraft all have brand new interiors. One of the Delta planes, N755EV, just began flying for AA this week. There are also several ex-Horizon birds all with -QX registrations that got new interiors in 2015-16. Those are some of the oldest CRJ-700s flying.

More from the same article LAXintl posted:
"""For the short-term, we expect to retain the majority of these aircraft under our various American [Eagle] flying agreements with some transition expense," he said. "However, since we own these aircraft with very little debt remaining, we are evaluating various options for these aircraft, including selling, leasing to third parties or utilizing or selling their parts."

Still on ExpressJet, Steel said that SkyWest does not expect American Airlines to extend flying contracts covering eighteen CRJ-700s beyond early 2019. The aircraft entail 12 from an original contract with American and six short-term aircraft that were transitioned to American Eagle from the Delta contract.

"We expect to return these aircraft to the lessors by early 2019," he added.""
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -contracts


This is highly surprising as these count as small RJs as opposed to the existing OO CR7s that are 6F/64Y and count as large RJs. Given that I know the birds were originally planned for the summer schedule and OO just went through the process of opening up a DFW base, something else has to be yet to be announced or the article is simply just no longer correct (the article is from July).
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:35 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
February can't come soon enough. I'm looking forward to finally getting power in the seats.


Don't jump the gun; it'll take a while to get done and your legroom will shrink from the LUS configuration.

mhkansan wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
News from Skywest

SkyWest expects the 18 CRJ700s currently flown by ExpressJet for American Airlines will not be extended beyond early 2019. The 18 CRJ700s include 12 aircraft from the original contract with American and six short-term aircraft that transitioned from the Delta contract. The majority of these aircraft are leased.


These aircraft all have brand new interiors. One of the Delta planes, N755EV, just began flying for AA this week. There are also several ex-Horizon birds all with -QX registrations that got new interiors in 2015-16. Those are some of the oldest CRJ-700s flying.

More from the same article LAXintl posted:
"""For the short-term, we expect to retain the majority of these aircraft under our various American [Eagle] flying agreements with some transition expense," he said. "However, since we own these aircraft with very little debt remaining, we are evaluating various options for these aircraft, including selling, leasing to third parties or utilizing or selling their parts."

Still on ExpressJet, Steel said that SkyWest does not expect American Airlines to extend flying contracts covering eighteen CRJ-700s beyond early 2019. The aircraft entail 12 from an original contract with American and six short-term aircraft that were transitioned to American Eagle from the Delta contract.

"We expect to return these aircraft to the lessors by early 2019," he added.""
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -contracts


Are these the horrific CR7s with the slimline seats? Get rid of them already and replace with Compass E175.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:28 am

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Are these the horrific CR7s with the slimline seats? Get rid of them already and replace with Compass E175.


Well, replacing them with E175s (especially operated by Compass) isn't going to happen at all. They are small RJs and as such would be replaced by other small RJs.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:10 am

alasizon wrote:
Swadian wrote:

Are these the horrific CR7s with the slimline seats? Get rid of them already and replace with Compass E175.


Well, replacing them with E175s (especially operated by Compass) isn't going to happen at all. They are small RJs and as such would be replaced by other small RJs.


These CRJ-700s are displacing CRJ-200s which are getting parked. Its better for everybody!
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:00 am

alasizon wrote:
Swadian wrote:

Are these the horrific CR7s with the slimline seats? Get rid of them already and replace with Compass E175.


Well, replacing them with E175s (especially operated by Compass) isn't going to happen at all. They are small RJs and as such would be replaced by other small RJs.


Not necessarily. Allowable size of the commuter fleet (75% of Mainline Narrow bodies) and the allowable amount of large regional aircraft (40% of Mainline Narrow Bodies) is governed by AA's Narrow Body fleet. There were about six hundred commuter planes at the end of last year.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:26 pm

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One has to understand that AA has 285 seats on the 789, which is more than any 77E, yet the 789 also has more range. For a fleet that for years depending on the 77E, it is unlikely AA needs anything bigger, despite A.net wisdom to the contrary.


Speaking of PE installations, and B777s, aircraft N751AN and N760AN are at PAE. Anybody know if this is the continuation of installing the PE in these remaining 12 aircraft?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:36 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
Swadian wrote:
One has to understand that AA has 285 seats on the 789, which is more than any 77E, yet the 789 also has more range. For a fleet that for years depending on the 77E, it is unlikely AA needs anything bigger, despite A.net wisdom to the contrary.


Speaking of PE installations, and B777s, aircraft N751AN and N760AN are at PAE. Anybody know if this is the continuation of installing the PE in these remaining 12 aircraft?


I'm sure they will be getting it done eventually. To those hating the Zodiac Concept D seats, perhaps they will find PE to offer more "bang for the buck".

mhkansan wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Swadian wrote:

Are these the horrific CR7s with the slimline seats? Get rid of them already and replace with Compass E175.


Well, replacing them with E175s (especially operated by Compass) isn't going to happen at all. They are small RJs and as such would be replaced by other small RJs.


These CRJ-700s are displacing CRJ-200s which are getting parked. Its better for everybody!


Does AA operate any small RJs from LAX besides those CR7s? I haven't seen an Eagle CR2 at LAX in a long time.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:17 pm

Swadian wrote:
JAL actually flies to the US much more: DFW, soon to begin SEA, soon to begin multi-daily to ORD to fill in for AA's reduced frequencies, multi-daily to JFK and LAX, and possibly going to try PHL or MIA in the future if AA doesn't. JAL 788 or 789 would be perfect for PHL or MIA.


Plus SAN and HNL.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:43 am

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Does AA operate any small RJs from LAX besides those CR7s? I haven't seen an Eagle CR2 at LAX in a long time.


Nope, strictly OO CR7 in the 6F/64Y config (which aren't the ones that may be replaced) and the CP E175.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:57 pm

777PHX wrote:
Swadian wrote:
JAL actually flies to the US much more: DFW, soon to begin SEA, soon to begin multi-daily to ORD to fill in for AA's reduced frequencies, multi-daily to JFK and LAX, and possibly going to try PHL or MIA in the future if AA doesn't. JAL 788 or 789 would be perfect for PHL or MIA.


Plus SAN and HNL.


I forgot about those as well as KOA. According to https://www.flightconnections.com/, JAL goes to 9 (soon to be 10 with SEA) destinations in the US. If JAL adds PHL and/or MIA, it would become 12 destinations.

With the new slots coming at HND, JAL may soon add PHL or MIA indeed and become to the Pacific what BA is to the Atlantic. JAL can put themselves in a position for connections to Asia, the fastest-growing region for air travel, comparable to KE or NH without directly engaging in a price war with the CN3. Since NRT has more connections than HND, perhaps they could split up SFO with both HND and NRT flights each using a 788 and launch more flights to secondary China.

Now the big question is: With JAL resuming SEA, will AA try to funnel connections to them through SEA to avoid backtracking to LAX or DFW?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:11 pm

Swadian wrote:
777PHX wrote:
Swadian wrote:

Now the big question is: With JAL resuming SEA, will AA try to funnel connections to them through SEA to avoid backtracking to LAX or DFW?


Yes, but only from the main hubs and focus cities, because SEA is not a hub for AA. I don't think AA has any plan to add flights to SEA from any non hub airport.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:42 am

alasizon wrote:
mhkansan wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
News from Skywest

SkyWest expects the 18 CRJ700s currently flown by ExpressJet for American Airlines will not be extended beyond early 2019. The 18 CRJ700s include 12 aircraft from the original contract with American and six short-term aircraft that transitioned from the Delta contract. The majority of these aircraft are leased.


These aircraft all have brand new interiors. One of the Delta planes, N755EV, just began flying for AA this week. There are also several ex-Horizon birds all with -QX registrations that got new interiors in 2015-16. Those are some of the oldest CRJ-700s flying.

More from the same article LAXintl posted:
"""For the short-term, we expect to retain the majority of these aircraft under our various American [Eagle] flying agreements with some transition expense," he said. "However, since we own these aircraft with very little debt remaining, we are evaluating various options for these aircraft, including selling, leasing to third parties or utilizing or selling their parts."

Still on ExpressJet, Steel said that SkyWest does not expect American Airlines to extend flying contracts covering eighteen CRJ-700s beyond early 2019. The aircraft entail 12 from an original contract with American and six short-term aircraft that were transitioned to American Eagle from the Delta contract.

"We expect to return these aircraft to the lessors by early 2019," he added.""
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -contracts


This is highly surprising as these count as small RJs as opposed to the existing OO CR7s that are 6F/64Y and count as large RJs. Given that I know the birds were originally planned for the summer schedule and OO just went through the process of opening up a DFW base, something else has to be yet to be announced or the article is simply just no longer correct (the article is from July).



There does appear to be some omissions. ExpressJet operates the 12 former Horizon CRJ-700s, plus 6 that came from Delta Connection. Meanwhile, there are other CRJ-700s that were former ExpressJet/Delta Connection or Skywest/Delta Connection, that are being inducted into American Eagle service, operaated by Skywest. N764SK starts tomorrow (Sunday), and two ex-ExpressJet airplanes ferried out of TUS for paint.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:08 am

Does anyone have any pictures of the “oasis” refurbished -800s?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:23 pm

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Does anyone have any pictures of the “oasis” refurbished -800s?


Just look at pictures of the MAX. They look the same other than the AFT galley.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:10 am

SXDFC wrote:
Does anyone have any pictures of the “oasis” refurbished -800s?


I don't have photos but they are converting them to the oasis configuration fairly quickly. I believe there are over 20 converted already. The earlier poster is correct, they should look identical to the MAX's except for the aft galley area.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:54 am

Just look at pictures of the MAX. They look the same other than the AFT galley.[/quote]

The cabins aren't completely identical. The aircraft in the Oasis configuration so far (known internally as the 738K) have the newer overhead bins/ceiling but still have the older sidewalls from the original 73NG interior. Starting in June 2011 with N868NN, all AA 737's were delivered with the Boeing Sky Interior so the frames that were delivered from 6/2011 on will of course basically be identical.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:54 am

American 767 wrote:
Swadian wrote:
777PHX wrote:


Yes, but only from the main hubs and focus cities, because SEA is not a hub for AA. I don't think AA has any plan to add flights to SEA from any non hub airport.


I guess this is good for people in PHX, CLT, PHL, and MIA who don't have a direct flight to Asia.

747fan wrote:
Just look at pictures of the MAX. They look the same other than the AFT galley.


The cabins aren't completely identical. The aircraft in the Oasis configuration so far (known internally as the 738K) have the newer overhead bins/ceiling but still have the older sidewalls from the original 73NG interior. Starting in June 2011 with N868NN, all AA 737's were delivered with the Boeing Sky Interior so the frames that were delivered from 6/2011 on will of course basically be identical.[/quote]

Did Boeing put the thinner sidewalls from their 777X into the 737 MAX?

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