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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 5:35 am
by n7371f
OK Doug.

You know there's a button that turns off the screen in front of you.

USAirKid wrote:
millionsofmiles wrote:
I'm not feeling the removal of the PTVs from the majority of the fleet. Passengers perceive PTVs as "value." I know there are many arguments for the advent of streaming content to a PED but there are also numerous disadvantages.

I was traveling recently from LAX to CLT on a former US 321. I was on the aisle in Premium Economy, and when the window seat passenger sat down, he took one look at the blank seatback in front of him and said, "This plane sucks. Where's the TV?"

I really wish they would rethink their decision.


I get on a plane and sigh when I see TVs in the seatbacks. (If a plane is old and still has them overhead, I don't find that as sigh-inducing.)

They just add so much light and motion to the view of an airplane. They especially suck on a redeye where they really light up the cabin.

The other thing is I find most live TV just not to be worth it. I'd much rather have streaming media to a PED, or airline provided viewing screen.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 5:55 am
by USAirKid
n7371f wrote:
OK Doug.

You know there's a button that turns off the screen in front of you.


Yeah but I can't turn off the screens of the empty seats in front of me. Or the screens of the guy who brings a face mask and puts it on immediately and leaves the in seat TV on.

I kinda mentioned that here:

usairkid wrote:
They just add so much light and motion to the view of an airplane. They especially suck on a redeye where they really light up the cabin.



Basically, built in IFE screens turn the cabin into a sports bar, with TVs all over. I much prefer a lower key atmosphere to relax in.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 6:49 am
by millionsofmiles
USAirKid wrote:
n7371f wrote:
OK Doug.

You know there's a button that turns off the screen in front of you.


Yeah but I can't turn off the screens of the empty seats in front of me. Or the screens of the guy who brings a face mask and puts it on immediately and leaves the in seat TV on.

I kinda mentioned that here:

usairkid wrote:
They just add so much light and motion to the view of an airplane. They especially suck on a redeye where they really light up the cabin.



Basically, built in IFE screens turn the cabin into a sports bar, with TVs all over. I much prefer a lower key atmosphere to relax in.


That's what eyeshades are for.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:54 am
by AA321T
Jo8338 wrote:
What is the Oasis bird.. haven’t heard that term

The name AA is using to identify 737-800’s that have been retrofitted to match the MAX.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 1:37 pm
by UpNAWAy
And all of the A320 Family too (Oasis that is). All the NB in a few years will have identical interiors.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 4:19 pm
by jbpdx
When did American drop MIA-SLC?

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 4:27 pm
by captaink

Yeah but I can't turn off the screens of the empty seats in front of me. Or the screens of the guy who brings a face mask and puts it on immediately and leaves the in seat TV on.


Pro tip: follow that guy and walk with a sleeping mask. It is the only solution other than removing all PTVs.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 8:35 pm
by ORL777
jbpdx wrote:
When did American drop MIA-SLC?


This route is seasonal, it must return by Dec 2018.

Saludos

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 9:04 pm
by jbs2886
ORL777 wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
When did American drop MIA-SLC?


This route is seasonal, it must return by Dec 2018.

Saludos


Why “must” it return?

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 9:43 pm
by jbpdx
jbs2886 wrote:
ORL777 wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
When did American drop MIA-SLC?


This route is seasonal, it must return by Dec 2018.

Saludos


Why “must” it return?


It doesn’t come up on FlightView or Skyscanner. Searching mid-January, Skyscanner recommends Fort Lauderdale for nonstop.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 10:31 pm
by Swadian
UpNAWAy wrote:
And all of the A320 Family too (Oasis that is). All the NB in a few years will have identical interiors.


No, A320 will still have the 150-seat configuration to save on crew and A319, A321T, and 757 will still have different interiors.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 10:37 pm
by alasizon
Swadian wrote:
UpNAWAy wrote:
And all of the A320 Family too (Oasis that is). All the NB in a few years will have identical interiors.


No, A320 will still have the 150-seat configuration to save on crew and A319, A321T, and 757 will still have different interiors.


I think their point more so was that all the narrowbodies of the same types will have the same interior across the legacy fleets.
321/32B/321N will be standardized
738/38M will be standardized
319/319S will be standardized

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:04 pm
by ripcordd
No A350 for AA and with costs rising they are looking at reducing fleet type faster than they had planned before. So you will see 330s go quicker.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 12:11 am
by N62NA
Jo8338 wrote:
What is the Oasis bird.. haven’t heard that term


I didn't know either, so I looked it up. The project to convert the interiors of the 737-800s to the 7M8 interior is known as "project Oasis" so that must be what is meant by an "oasis bird."

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 12:52 am
by Jo8338
It sounds like a bad joke since everyone says they are more torture chamber than oasis.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 2:14 am
by TEY1330
AA321T wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
Where is AA operating the MAX to/from right now? I saw they were going to be on DFW-ANC.

MIA-LGA/UIO/POS/BOS/MCO/POP

MIA-DCA recently had a one-off MAX flight as well.

The late MIA-DEN is one of the next routes to go to the MAX. They’re also running the 738K (the Oasis bird) on MIA-LAS exclusively for the next 5 days, will be interesting to see if that continues.


Sounds like a “market test”? Maybe there is hope is and enough complain they will suspend or change it. My suggestion: change to 30” pitch with existing seats in regular main cabin to save face and achieve some density and leave everything else as is. Think of the fuel they could buy or stock they could buy back with all the freed up capital and labor!

Install power and wireless AVOD (no box) in LUS A321 as they rotate in for heavy overhaul for product consistency.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 2:35 am
by dc10lover
ripcordd wrote:
No A350 for AA and with costs rising they are looking at reducing fleet type faster than they had planned before. So you will see 330s go quicker.

Wonder if AA will be the first airline to retire all the 50 pax jets.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 3:03 am
by jbpdx
jbs2886 wrote:
ORL777 wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
When did American drop MIA-SLC?


This route is seasonal, it must return by Dec 2018.

Saludos


Why “must” it return?



SLC-MIA also doesn’t come up on the AA route map or (e.g.) in the February online schedule. Programming error? Previously announced cut that I missed? Or unannounced dropped route?

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 4:48 pm
by jgcotter
E145 N647AE is en route from MQT to RIC for transfer from Envoy to Piedmont. 46 x E145 on property now at Piedmont.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N647AE

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 4:49 pm
by American 767
ripcordd wrote:
No A350 for AA and with costs rising they are looking at reducing fleet type faster than they had planned before. So you will see 330s go quicker.


The A333s yes, but the A332s still have some time left in the fleet. I think that the last 763s will leave before the 15 A332s will.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 5:38 pm
by Swadian
American 767 wrote:
ripcordd wrote:
No A350 for AA and with costs rising they are looking at reducing fleet type faster than they had planned before. So you will see 330s go quicker.


The A333s yes, but the A332s still have some time left in the fleet. I think that the last 763s will leave before the 15 A332s will.


Will A332 leave before 77E or will AA keep them and maybe add to the fleet with used aircraft?

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 6:27 pm
by Boof02671
There are no plans to retire the 332 and they’ve pushed back the retirement of the 333.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 3:47 pm
by brooklynchris13
American 767 wrote:
ripcordd wrote:
No A350 for AA and with costs rising they are looking at reducing fleet type faster than they had planned before. So you will see 330s go quicker.


The A333s yes, but the A332s still have some time left in the fleet. I think that the last 763s will leave before the 15 A332s will.


I agree with you Ben. However, once the 763s are gone then a variety of factors will affect just how long the 332 and 333s stay in the fleet. With the 788/789 order and options, it would appear quite likely that the writing is on the wall for the big Airbi. Likely a combination of growth strategy, fuel prices, international demand, etc. My guess would be the 333s first, followed by the 332s. probably in the 2021-2023 time frame. But time will tell. And for those who may cite the fleet plan, remember those things can and do change on a dime. There was nothing in the fleet plan about planned E175 and CR9 top up orders, but alas, there it came.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 10:12 pm
by Swadian
Boof02671 wrote:
There are no plans to retire the 332 and they’ve pushed back the retirement of the 333.


They did but all those 788 and 789 coming in will soon push the A333 out. Like the MD-80, AA likes to push back retirement of planes.

The "plan" to retire the older 77E could very well change into A332 retirement instead if AA wants fleet commonality. We will see what happens once the 763 and A333 are gone.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 4:05 pm
by Qantas59
Forgive me if this has been discussed, but did AA ever go back and install PTVs (leather seats, etc.) on the first batch of 737s that had been delivered without them?
Cheers.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 4:24 pm
by res77W
Qantas59 wrote:
Forgive me if this has been discussed, but did AA ever go back and install PTVs (leather seats, etc.) on the first batch of 737s that had been delivered without them?
Cheers.


No, and the latest fleet plan has the PTVs being removed. The remaining 738s will be configured more densely to match the 737MAX at 172 seats.

-Rowen

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 5:14 am
by OB1504
washingtonflyer wrote:
Thank God AA identifies this aircraft separately - 7M8. Allows me to avoid this Hell Ship.


Not anymore. 737-800 retrofits have already begun.

Although I imagine that you already avoid the A319 given that they’ve been flying with 30” pitch for four years now without nearly as much hysteria.

TEY1330 wrote:
Sounds like a “market test”? Maybe there is hope is and enough complain they will suspend or change it. My suggestion: change to 30” pitch with existing seats in regular main cabin to save face and achieve some density and leave everything else as is. Think of the fuel they could buy or stock they could buy back with all the freed up capital and labor!


What would they be leaving as-is? Changing standard main cabin seats to 30” pitch is effectively what they’re doing, along with some needed interior improvements.

They’re not going to change their minds on the 737 configuration. At least they scrapped the 29” pitch idea.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:23 pm
by jgcotter
CR7 N508AE is en route from MQT to DAY for transfer from Envoy to PSA. 40 x CR7 on property now at PSA.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N508AE

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:19 pm
by san747
I saw a 737-800 at BOS two days ago in the old colors. I was under the impression that the entire mainline fleet besides the MD-80s had all been repainted as of February. It was definitely not the AstroJet, it was the standard 1967-2012 colors. Is AA keeping one 737 in those colors as a retrojet, like the TWA, AirCal and Reno Air frames? Or has the repainting actually not been completed yet?

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:25 pm
by N62NA
san747 wrote:
I saw a 737-800 at BOS two days ago in the old colors. I was under the impression that the entire mainline fleet besides the MD-80s had all been repainted as of February. It was definitely not the AstroJet, it was the standard 1967-2012 colors. Is AA keeping one 737 in those colors as a retrojet, like the TWA, AirCal and Reno Air frames? Or has the repainting actually not been completed yet?


They are keeping one like that.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:33 pm
by jgcotter
N62NA wrote:
san747 wrote:
I saw a 737-800 at BOS two days ago in the old colors. I was under the impression that the entire mainline fleet besides the MD-80s had all been repainted as of February. It was definitely not the AstroJet, it was the standard 1967-2012 colors. Is AA keeping one 737 in those colors as a retrojet, like the TWA, AirCal and Reno Air frames? Or has the repainting actually not been completed yet?


They are keeping one like that.


Yes, that’s N921NN in the bare metal livery. It actually was repainted into the clAAsic livery. The only indication that it's been repainted is that the registration number is in the new font. The classic titles were kept.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:41 pm
by san747
Thanks! I suspected as much. Definitely was a surprise to see.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:18 am
by washingtonflyer
Heard that all the 77Ws have now completed conversion to PEY cabin. Wonder when we'll see a restart on the 772s.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:48 am
by DeSpringbokke
washingtonflyer wrote:
Heard that all the 77Ws have now completed conversion to PEY cabin. Wonder when we'll see a restart on the 772s.


I'd look for the restart of the W install, J removal on the twelve remaining 45J 772s in September. Due to the removal of two rows of J, it will take a little longer per mod than the 37J 772s/A330-200s/77Ws. Similar situation for the 788s. Won't be until next year when W installs are complete, leaving only the 24 767s and 9 A330s, which will both be retired in the 2020-2022 timeframe, left without W.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:38 am
by American 767
jgcotter wrote:
N62NA wrote:
san747 wrote:
I saw a 737-800 at BOS two days ago in the old colors. I was under the impression that the entire mainline fleet besides the MD-80s had all been repainted as of February. It was definitely not the AstroJet, it was the standard 1967-2012 colors. Is AA keeping one 737 in those colors as a retrojet, like the TWA, AirCal and Reno Air frames? Or has the repainting actually not been completed yet?


They are keeping one like that.


Yes, that’s N921NN in the bare metal livery. It actually was repainted into the clAAsic livery. The only indication that it's been repainted is that the registration number is in the new font. The classic titles were kept.


Another noticeable difference is the aa.com titles on the winglets are no longer there.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:41 am
by Runway28L
American 767 wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
N62NA wrote:

They are keeping one like that.


Yes, that’s N921NN in the bare metal livery. It actually was repainted into the clAAsic livery. The only indication that it's been repainted is that the registration number is in the new font. The classic titles were kept.


Another noticeable difference is the aa.com titles on the winglets are no longer there.

Plus more of the fuselage's underside being painted. That's probably the biggest indicator for me at least.

N868NN on the left, a few years before repaint vs N921NN on the right:

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:46 am
by grbauc
millionsofmiles wrote:
I'm not feeling the removal of the PTVs from the majority of the fleet. Passengers perceive PTVs as "value." I know there are many arguments for the advent of streaming content to a PED but there are also numerous disadvantages.

I was traveling recently from LAX to CLT on a former US 321. I was on the aisle in Premium Economy, and when the window seat passenger sat down, he took one look at the blank seatback in front of him and said, "This plane sucks. Where's the TV?"

I really wish they would rethink their decision.


Yep they missed the boat streaming content is still buggy private TVs would’ve been the way to go it gives people a distraction not everybody has iPads or phones charged with distractions while there is no WiFi until a certain flight level and since WiFi is not free on the planes they dropped the ball.

Hell JetBlue was made on private TVs. Stupid mistake and short sighted. it’s expected on international flights and it could’ve alleviated the pain on the crowded planes of domestic hour 1 to 5 hour domestic flights.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:44 pm
by Swadian
DeSpringbokke wrote:
washingtonflyer wrote:
Heard that all the 77Ws have now completed conversion to PEY cabin. Wonder when we'll see a restart on the 772s.


I'd look for the restart of the W install, J removal on the twelve remaining 45J 772s in September. Due to the removal of two rows of J, it will take a little longer per mod than the 37J 772s/A330-200s/77Ws. Similar situation for the 788s. Won't be until next year when W installs are complete, leaving only the 24 767s and 9 A330s, which will both be retired in the 2020-2022 timeframe, left without W.


I have not heard that the 45J 77Es will be reconfigured to 37J; I assume it would be the best option for fleet simplicity which is what AA seems to be obsessed with right now.

grbauc wrote:
millionsofmiles wrote:
I'm not feeling the removal of the PTVs from the majority of the fleet. Passengers perceive PTVs as "value." I know there are many arguments for the advent of streaming content to a PED but there are also numerous disadvantages.

I was traveling recently from LAX to CLT on a former US 321. I was on the aisle in Premium Economy, and when the window seat passenger sat down, he took one look at the blank seatback in front of him and said, "This plane sucks. Where's the TV?"

I really wish they would rethink their decision.


Yep they missed the boat streaming content is still buggy private TVs would’ve been the way to go it gives people a distraction not everybody has iPads or phones charged with distractions while there is no WiFi until a certain flight level and since WiFi is not free on the planes they dropped the ball.

Hell JetBlue was made on private TVs. Stupid mistake and short sighted. it’s expected on international flights and it could’ve alleviated the pain on the crowded planes of domestic hour 1 to 5 hour domestic flights.


If Tom Horton was still CEO he would've made it happen.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:07 pm
by TEY1330
OB1504 wrote:
What would they be leaving as-is? Changing standard main cabin seats to 30” pitch is effectively what they’re doing, along with some needed interior improvements.

They’re not going to change their minds on the 737 configuration. At least they scrapped the 29” pitch idea.


Not replace the lavs. Not buy the new seats at all. Re-pitch the existing main cabin seats (which in many cases are brand new) with the IFE intact (AVOD and otherwise).

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:58 pm
by DeSpringbokke
Swadian wrote:
I have not heard that the 45J 77Es will be reconfigured to 37J; I assume it would be the best option for fleet simplicity which is what AA seems to be obsessed with right now.


The first 45J to 37J was done back in February. 37J/24W/212Y will be the configuration for all 772s, however, it will still be a mix between Zodiac and B/E Super Diamond seat upfront.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:18 pm
by Swadian
DeSpringbokke wrote:
Swadian wrote:
I have not heard that the 45J 77Es will be reconfigured to 37J; I assume it would be the best option for fleet simplicity which is what AA seems to be obsessed with right now.


The first 45J to 37J was done back in February. 37J/24W/212Y will be the configuration for all 772s, however, it will still be a mix between Zodiac and B/E Super Diamond seat upfront.


Which 77E was reconfigured from 45J to 37J?

I guess that means 9-abreast in the forward Economy cabin is also gone. I see a lot of wasted seats and wasted money.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:36 am
by miaami

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:03 pm
by American 767
I just want to share with you that one of the 763s previously in the fleet, N374AA, is now flying with a MIA based cargo airline: Strat Air.

https://worldairlinenews.com/2018/07/02 ... air-cargo/

It looks like the 767-300ER will be gracing the skies for many more years as a freighter.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:22 pm
by Runway28L
A320 N128UW has 2Ku despite the fleet page saying it still has AT4.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:48 pm
by miaami
Another MAX delivery
7M8

N323RM / 3RM
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9701

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:44 pm
by LovePrunesAnet
another plus for streaming video to your own device...
recent trip I flew on AA had me on planes that resulted in experiencing a mix of seatback screens and no seatback screens. Whenever there's an announcement, the seatback screens go into PAUSE mode, but the streaming videos keep right on streaming over the announcements. Plus with my own device, I can position it whatever direction is comfortable, not have to stare up at a certain spot to view. I love the streaming video to my device; I'm happy they're ripping out the seatback screens.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:45 pm
by Swadian
LovePrunesAnet wrote:
another plus for streaming video to your own device...
recent trip I flew on AA had me on planes that resulted in experiencing a mix of seatback screens and no seatback screens. Whenever there's an announcement, the seatback screens go into PAUSE mode, but the streaming videos keep right on streaming over the announcements. Plus with my own device, I can position it whatever direction is comfortable, not have to stare up at a certain spot to view. I love the streaming video to my device; I'm happy they're ripping out the seatback screens.


Well, I can certainly see how it would be better if you have a laptop or iPad in conjunction with the tablet holders. However, it appears that AA's A319s lack tablet holders?

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:59 pm
by Miamiairport
Flying out of MIA it’s often over water, the Atlantic going North or the Gulf going West. Often the WiFi won’t kick in over water. The time the flight hits land it’s too late to stream a movie.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:06 pm
by SJPBR
DeSpringbokke wrote:
Swadian wrote:
I have not heard that the 45J 77Es will be reconfigured to 37J; I assume it would be the best option for fleet simplicity which is what AA seems to be obsessed with right now.


The first 45J to 37J was done back in February. 37J/24W/212Y will be the configuration for all 772s, however, it will still be a mix between Zodiac and B/E Super Diamond seat upfront.


I flew last week MIA-GRU in a 772 in W and it was great! Nice food and nice seat.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:08 pm
by USAirKid
Miamiairport wrote:
Flying out of MIA it’s often over water, the Atlantic going North or the Gulf going West. Often the WiFi won’t kick in over water. The time the flight hits land it’s too late to stream a movie.


That’s a poor implementation then. The movies are stored on the plane, so you should be able to stream a movie without having internet to the ground. You’ll just have WiFi to the airplane’s network which includes the media server.