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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:19 am
by AA321T
[twoid][/twoid]
USAirKid wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:
Flying out of MIA it’s often over water, the Atlantic going North or the Gulf going West. Often the WiFi won’t kick in over water. The time the flight hits land it’s too late to stream a movie.


That’s a poor implementation then. The movies are stored on the plane, so you should be able to stream a movie without having internet to the ground. You’ll just have WiFi to the airplane’s network which includes the media server.

Streaming works on the ViaSat planes, you just need to go to a different website. They’re in the process of fixing this gap in coverage and they should have full Caribbean coverage soon.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:31 am
by travaz
Does anyone know if AA has any internet coverage on the LAX to SYD flight?

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:29 pm
by Miamiairport
The a/c that have been outfitted with aa in flight Internet seem to be ok. However many still show only gogo as the only WiFi available and gogo sucks.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:31 pm
by Miamiairport
A number of AA planes still have gogo as the provider and gogo sucks.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:14 am
by travaz
Amen on gogo. I wont even pay for service if it's gogo

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:03 pm
by Continental767
Confirmed: AA will have only 20J on 788s going forward.
https://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com ... ass-seats/

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:30 pm
by Miamiairport
With PE now no surprise. I also agree that SWUs will ultimately be used to upgrade from Y to PE or PE to business. The days of FF goodies are slowly ending.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:06 am
by Washco
Well without seeing the other 7 pages of this thread, do you guys think AA will ever end up getting a 787-10? I love the plane and would love to see a -8, -9, -10 AA family.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:01 pm
by Swadian
One has to understand that AA has 285 seats on the 789, which is more than any 77E, yet the 789 also has more range. For a fleet that for years depending on the 77E, it is unlikely AA needs anything bigger, despite A.net wisdom to the contrary.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:47 am
by alasizon
Swadian wrote:
One has to understand that AA has 285 seats on the 789, which is more than any 77E, yet the 789 also has more range. For a fleet that for years depending on the 77E, it is unlikely AA needs anything bigger, despite A.net wisdom to the contrary.


I disagree. I think AA will take some -10s later on in life for South America once the 77Es start to fade. Maybe 10-13 frames. By then the 789s will likely be on other missions that need the range more than South America.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:10 am
by miaami
Another MD-80 leaves the fleet.

N590AA / 590

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9 ... /KDFW/KROW

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:50 am
by USAirKid
miaami wrote:
Another MD-80 leaves the fleet.

N590AA / 590

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9 ... /KDFW/KROW


Thats a fun little flight. Took off at 7:50 am. Landed at 7:50 am.

Reminds me of the joke:
Guy walks up to the counter at the airport in Indianapolis, and asks for a flight to Chicago. The agent tells him, we have a flight leaving at 10:00 am that arrives in Chicago at 10:01 am, would you like that flight? The guy is surprised and responds: No, I just want to see that thing take off..

(Time zones are wonderful and confusing things.)

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:03 pm
by Qantas59
If I'm not mistaken, the departure of N590AA represents the last of the legacy AA MD-83s leaving the fleet. Of course there are still several former TW MD-83s and legacy AA MD-82s remaining.
Cheers.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:16 pm
by danipawa
How many of those MD are been scrapped so far? Majority are getting new lifes in Africa

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:28 pm
by soflaflyer
miaami wrote:
Another MD-80 leaves the fleet.

N590AA / 590

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9 ... /KDFW/KROW


With this exit, does this mean 43 are remaining in active service?

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:07 pm
by miaami
A new 787-9 delivery

N836AA / 8LT

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9702

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:24 pm
by Swadian
alasizon wrote:
Swadian wrote:
One has to understand that AA has 285 seats on the 789, which is more than any 77E, yet the 789 also has more range. For a fleet that for years depending on the 77E, it is unlikely AA needs anything bigger, despite A.net wisdom to the contrary.


I disagree. I think AA will take some -10s later on in life for South America once the 77Es start to fade. Maybe 10-13 frames. By then the 789s will likely be on other missions that need the range more than South America.


It would be a significant capacity bump over the 77E, except for cargo capacity where it would apparently be less due to MTOW. I think if AA does get a 787-10, they will wait for the 787-10ER. Remember what happened with the 773 that was unpopular until the 77W showed up. Strong capacity discipline can be expected, reflected in the recent order for 20 788s.

Continental767 wrote:
Confirmed: AA will have only 20J on 788s going forward.
https://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com ... ass-seats/


Those Zodiac Concept D were unpopular anyway.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:40 pm
by MO11
soflaflyer wrote:
miaami wrote:
Another MD-80 leaves the fleet.

N590AA / 590

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9 ... /KDFW/KROW


With this exit, does this mean 43 are remaining in active service?


I show 42. And 10 are supposed to be removed from the schedule on August 21.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:59 pm
by Miamiairport
With fuel costs rising I wonder how long the remaining (stated) 26 MD80s will last into 2019.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:06 pm
by soflaflyer
Miamiairport wrote:
With fuel costs rising I wonder how long the remaining (stated) 26 MD80s will last into 2019.


given that and any unexpected downturn in pax# and fares, I would anticipate the MD80 retirements would be accelerated over any other a/c.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:20 pm
by Swadian
Swadian wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Swadian wrote:
One has to understand that AA has 285 seats on the 789, which is more than any 77E, yet the 789 also has more range. For a fleet that for years depending on the 77E, it is unlikely AA needs anything bigger, despite A.net wisdom to the contrary.


I disagree. I think AA will take some -10s later on in life for South America once the 77Es start to fade. Maybe 10-13 frames. By then the 789s will likely be on other missions that need the range more than South America.


It would be a significant capacity bump over the 77E, except for cargo capacity where it would apparently be less due to MTOW. I think if AA does get a 787-10, they will wait for the 787-10ER. Remember what happened with the 773 that was unpopular until the 77W showed up. Strong capacity discipline can be expected, reflected in the recent order for 20 788s.

Continental767 wrote:
Confirmed: AA will have only 20J on 788s going forward.
https://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com ... ass-seats/


Those Zodiac Concept D were unpopular anyway.


Besides, if they wanted it, they could have ordered it already, yet passed up many oppurtunities to do so.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:10 pm
by redwingspilot
Per company update on fleet plans

​‌‌​​​‌‌‌​​‌​​​​​‌​‌‍We announced some fleet news July 26, including spreading out deliveries of our Airbus A321neos and changing some aircraft retirement schedules.

The biggest change is delaying 22 A321neo deliveries originally scheduled for 2019, 2020, and 2021. The A321neo is a new-engine version of the A321 aircraft we fly today, and we are still getting our first ones early next year as planned. The new delivery plan has us receiving 17 A321neos next year, 15 in 2020 and 18 in 2021. The deferred aircraft will arrive beginning in 2024.

Our fleet plan is constantly evolving to make sure we have the right mix of aircraft arriving at the right time. By delaying some A321neos, we can spread out those deliveries and the costs that go with them.

Other changes announced today:

    We have 10 Boeing 757s based in Phoenix and currently used for Hawaii flying. We had previously planned to retire them in early 2020. Now they’ll retire in late 2019 instead, to be replaced by new A321neos, which will be ETOPS certified.


    We are adding eight leased A319s to our fleet, and we’ll keep 14 Embraer E190s a year longer than previously planned. Those E190s will now retire in 2020 instead of 2019. We’re also retiring 15 fewer B737-800s in 2020 than we had planned. Adding A319s and keeping those other aircraft longer will help cover for the delayed A321neos and previously deferred B737 MAX 8s. Those planes will also help us handle the flying we are adding at our hubs such as DFW, CLT and ORD.


Some of these changes, such as retiring the 10 PHX-based B757s sooner, help to simplify our fleet by reducing the number of subfleets. This is an ongoing effort at American that reduces costs and is good for customers, who can expect a more consistent experience, and team members, who will have a less complex fleet to manage and fly.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:03 pm
by Swadian
redwingspilot wrote:
Per company update on fleet plans

​‌‌​​​‌‌‌​​‌​​​​​‌​‌‍We announced some fleet news July 26, including spreading out deliveries of our Airbus A321neos and changing some aircraft retirement schedules.

The biggest change is delaying 22 A321neo deliveries originally scheduled for 2019, 2020, and 2021. The A321neo is a new-engine version of the A321 aircraft we fly today, and we are still getting our first ones early next year as planned. The new delivery plan has us receiving 17 A321neos next year, 15 in 2020 and 18 in 2021. The deferred aircraft will arrive beginning in 2024.

Our fleet plan is constantly evolving to make sure we have the right mix of aircraft arriving at the right time. By delaying some A321neos, we can spread out those deliveries and the costs that go with them.

Other changes announced today:

    We have 10 Boeing 757s based in Phoenix and currently used for Hawaii flying. We had previously planned to retire them in early 2020. Now they’ll retire in late 2019 instead, to be replaced by new A321neos, which will be ETOPS certified.


    We are adding eight leased A319s to our fleet, and we’ll keep 14 Embraer E190s a year longer than previously planned. Those E190s will now retire in 2020 instead of 2019. We’re also retiring 15 fewer B737-800s in 2020 than we had planned. Adding A319s and keeping those other aircraft longer will help cover for the delayed A321neos and previously deferred B737 MAX 8s. Those planes will also help us handle the flying we are adding at our hubs such as DFW, CLT and ORD.


Some of these changes, such as retiring the 10 PHX-based B757s sooner, help to simplify our fleet by reducing the number of subfleets. This is an ongoing effort at American that reduces costs and is good for customers, who can expect a more consistent experience, and team members, who will have a less complex fleet to manage and fly.


If AA wants to grow at ORD, I guess it means putting the A321 on a lot of those ORD flights?

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:13 pm
by brooklynchris13
The fleet plan adjustments announced today seem to make pretty good sense. It appears as though the deferrals of 50 A321NEOS to 2024 and beyond may line up more effectively with the planned retirement of the International 757s. By 2024, Airbus may even have the XLR(?) version of the 321 ready for customers like AA who need an effective 757 replacement on those longer, thin international routes. Very curious to also see if the reconfiguration of 321s and 738s to larger capacities continues as planned, given the effect that would have on capacity with the reduction in 738/E190 retirements and the lease of additional A319s. (Kudos to all those who called that a few months ago btw). Finally, with the full prices starting to spike, would an accelerated MD80 retirement be on the way? Maybe that depends on how fast those A319s can be placed into service?

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:21 pm
by redwingspilot
Swadian wrote:
redwingspilot wrote:
Per company update on fleet plans

​‌‌​​​‌‌‌​​‌​​​​​‌​‌‍We announced some fleet news July 26, including spreading out deliveries of our Airbus A321neos and changing some aircraft retirement schedules.

The biggest change is delaying 22 A321neo deliveries originally scheduled for 2019, 2020, and 2021. The A321neo is a new-engine version of the A321 aircraft we fly today, and we are still getting our first ones early next year as planned. The new delivery plan has us receiving 17 A321neos next year, 15 in 2020 and 18 in 2021. The deferred aircraft will arrive beginning in 2024.

Our fleet plan is constantly evolving to make sure we have the right mix of aircraft arriving at the right time. By delaying some A321neos, we can spread out those deliveries and the costs that go with them.

Other changes announced today:

    We have 10 Boeing 757s based in Phoenix and currently used for Hawaii flying. We had previously planned to retire them in early 2020. Now they’ll retire in late 2019 instead, to be replaced by new A321neos, which will be ETOPS certified.


    We are adding eight leased A319s to our fleet, and we’ll keep 14 Embraer E190s a year longer than previously planned. Those E190s will now retire in 2020 instead of 2019. We’re also retiring 15 fewer B737-800s in 2020 than we had planned. Adding A319s and keeping those other aircraft longer will help cover for the delayed A321neos and previously deferred B737 MAX 8s. Those planes will also help us handle the flying we are adding at our hubs such as DFW, CLT and ORD.


Some of these changes, such as retiring the 10 PHX-based B757s sooner, help to simplify our fleet by reducing the number of subfleets. This is an ongoing effort at American that reduces costs and is good for customers, who can expect a more consistent experience, and team members, who will have a less complex fleet to manage and fly.


If AA wants to grow at ORD, I guess it means putting the A321 on a lot of those ORD flights?


It was discussed by the VP of Network Planning that they're not looking to open an Airbus base in ORD.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:40 pm
by alasizon
brooklynchris13 wrote:
The fleet plan adjustments announced today seem to make pretty good sense. It appears as though the deferrals of 50 A321NEOS to 2024 and beyond may line up more effectively with the planned retirement of the International 757s. By 2024, Airbus may even have the XLR(?) version of the 321 ready for customers like AA who need an effective 757 replacement on those longer, thin international routes. Very curious to also see if the reconfiguration of 321s and 738s to larger capacities continues as planned, given the effect that would have on capacity with the reduction in 738/E190 retirements and the lease of additional A319s. (Kudos to all those who called that a few months ago btw). Finally, with the full prices starting to spike, would an accelerated MD80 retirement be on the way? Maybe that depends on how fast those A319s can be placed into service?


It would be near impossible to retire the S80s any earlier. If that were to happen, it would result in quite a drop in capacity that would be difficult to backfill because the S80 currently is used to keep frequency up on certain aircraft. The MAXes displace regular 738s back into DFW which displace the S80. Plus, you would be looking at cutting 26 frames in Q1 which although is a slower period for travel; AA is situated very well with PHX, DFW & MIA that still power through the winter and the S80s are a core part of that capacity still. I'd expect the last one to be retired in August of 2019 after the busy summer season.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:42 pm
by soflaflyer
redwingspilot wrote:
Per company update on fleet plans

​‌‌​​​‌‌‌​​‌​​​​​‌​‌‍We announced some fleet news July 26, including spreading out deliveries of our Airbus A321neos and changing some aircraft retirement schedules.

The biggest change is delaying 22 A321neo deliveries originally scheduled for 2019, 2020, and 2021. The A321neo is a new-engine version of the A321 aircraft we fly today, and we are still getting our first ones early next year as planned. The new delivery plan has us receiving 17 A321neos next year, 15 in 2020 and 18 in 2021. The deferred aircraft will arrive beginning in 2024.

Our fleet plan is constantly evolving to make sure we have the right mix of aircraft arriving at the right time. By delaying some A321neos, we can spread out those deliveries and the costs that go with them.

Other changes announced today:

    We have 10 Boeing 757s based in Phoenix and currently used for Hawaii flying. We had previously planned to retire them in early 2020. Now they’ll retire in late 2019 instead, to be replaced by new A321neos, which will be ETOPS certified.


    We are adding eight leased A319s to our fleet, and we’ll keep 14 Embraer E190s a year longer than previously planned. Those E190s will now retire in 2020 instead of 2019. We’re also retiring 15 fewer B737-800s in 2020 than we had planned. Adding A319s and keeping those other aircraft longer will help cover for the delayed A321neos and previously deferred B737 MAX 8s. Those planes will also help us handle the flying we are adding at our hubs such as DFW, CLT and ORD.


Some of these changes, such as retiring the 10 PHX-based B757s sooner, help to simplify our fleet by reducing the number of subfleets. This is an ongoing effort at American that reduces costs and is good for customers, who can expect a more consistent experience, and team members, who will have a less complex fleet to manage and fly.


No details regarding whether or not the leased A319s are new or used? I would assume used. Could these be the ones coming from F9 as previously speculated?
Is there a site with a consolidated fleet plan for AA, planned retirements and deliveries with dates?

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:03 pm
by PRAirbus
the 767 number will start decreasing too! those rust buckets are operational nightmares and the interiors very shabby. Too bad they are not scheduled to go away at a faster pace...looks like after the end of this summer around (6) frames will be retired, more in 2019!

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:13 pm
by alasizon
soflaflyer wrote:
No details regarding whether or not the leased A319s are new or used? I would assume used. Could these be the ones coming from F9 as previously speculated?
Is there a site with a consolidated fleet plan for AA, planned retirements and deliveries with dates?


From the fleet plan, it says used but no mention of the carrier.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:15 pm
by Austin787
PRAirbus wrote:
the 767 number will start decreasing too! those rust buckets are operational nightmares and the interiors very shabby. Too bad they are not scheduled to go away at a faster pace...looks like after the end of this summer around (6) frames will be retired, more in 2019!

Too bad they will be replaced with cramped 9-across in Y 787s.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:29 pm
by redwingspilot
soflaflyer wrote:
redwingspilot wrote:
Per company update on fleet plans

​‌‌​​​‌‌‌​​‌​​​​​‌​‌‍We announced some fleet news July 26, including spreading out deliveries of our Airbus A321neos and changing some aircraft retirement schedules.

The biggest change is delaying 22 A321neo deliveries originally scheduled for 2019, 2020, and 2021. The A321neo is a new-engine version of the A321 aircraft we fly today, and we are still getting our first ones early next year as planned. The new delivery plan has us receiving 17 A321neos next year, 15 in 2020 and 18 in 2021. The deferred aircraft will arrive beginning in 2024.

Our fleet plan is constantly evolving to make sure we have the right mix of aircraft arriving at the right time. By delaying some A321neos, we can spread out those deliveries and the costs that go with them.

Other changes announced today:

    We have 10 Boeing 757s based in Phoenix and currently used for Hawaii flying. We had previously planned to retire them in early 2020. Now they’ll retire in late 2019 instead, to be replaced by new A321neos, which will be ETOPS certified.


    We are adding eight leased A319s to our fleet, and we’ll keep 14 Embraer E190s a year longer than previously planned. Those E190s will now retire in 2020 instead of 2019. We’re also retiring 15 fewer B737-800s in 2020 than we had planned. Adding A319s and keeping those other aircraft longer will help cover for the delayed A321neos and previously deferred B737 MAX 8s. Those planes will also help us handle the flying we are adding at our hubs such as DFW, CLT and ORD.


Some of these changes, such as retiring the 10 PHX-based B757s sooner, help to simplify our fleet by reducing the number of subfleets. This is an ongoing effort at American that reduces costs and is good for customers, who can expect a more consistent experience, and team members, who will have a less complex fleet to manage and fly.


No details regarding whether or not the leased A319s are new or used? I would assume used. Could these be the ones coming from F9 as previously speculated?
Is there a site with a consolidated fleet plan for AA, planned retirements and deliveries with dates?


Yes they are the ones from Frontier.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:40 pm
by hkcanadaexpat
PRAirbus wrote:
the 767 number will start decreasing too! those rust buckets are operational nightmares and the interiors very shabby. Too bad they are not scheduled to go away at a faster pace...looks like after the end of this summer around (6) frames will be retired, more in 2019!

unless you know something even AA doesn't know, there a no 767 expected to be retired until next year. The. current scheduled retirement plan is (6) in 2019, (13) in 2020 and (5) in 2021.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:14 pm
by American 767
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
PRAirbus wrote:
the 767 number will start decreasing too! those rust buckets are operational nightmares and the interiors very shabby. Too bad they are not scheduled to go away at a faster pace...looks like after the end of this summer around (6) frames will be retired, more in 2019!

unless you know something even AA doesn't know, there a no 767 expected to be retired until next year. The. current scheduled retirement plan is (6) in 2019, (13) in 2020 and (5) in 2021.


So they'll all be gone in 2022.
I suspect that the final flight will arrive in MIA. MIA will be the last hub to see the 757 and 767, like it was the last hub to still see the 727 back in the early 2000s. JFK will loose the 767 before MIA will, end of next year probably. I also suspect that by the time the last 767 leaves, 24 757s will still be in the fleet, the nAAtive ones that were configured for International flying. Gone also, in 2022, will be the ex-US 757s still flying on PHX-Hawaii runs.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:49 pm
by sagechan
American 767 wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
PRAirbus wrote:
the 767 number will start decreasing too! those rust buckets are operational nightmares and the interiors very shabby. Too bad they are not scheduled to go away at a faster pace...looks like after the end of this summer around (6) frames will be retired, more in 2019!

unless you know something even AA doesn't know, there a no 767 expected to be retired until next year. The. current scheduled retirement plan is (6) in 2019, (13) in 2020 and (5) in 2021.


So they'll all be gone in 2022.
I suspect that the final flight will arrive in MIA. MIA will be the last hub to see the 757 and 767, like it was the last hub to still see the 727 back in the early 2000s. JFK will loose the 767 before MIA will, end of next year probably. I also suspect that by the time the last 767 leaves, 24 757s will still be in the fleet, the nAAtive ones that were configured for International flying. Gone also, in 2022, will be the ex-US 757s still flying on PHX-Hawaii runs.


The US 757s doing the Hawaii runs were announced to be removed starting next year, replaced with ETOPS A321neos.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:45 am
by Narfish641
Sad to see both the 757-200 and 767-300ER go. At least for the 767-300ER they have new lives in the cargo industry and will be flying many miles in the sky for years to come! It also makes me wonder what Roswell is going to do with Americans retired 757-200s with the old chrome livery. Yes I know they are stored and waiting to be strapped but most of those have been desert dwellers for a bit and majority with their engines still on the aircraft. Majority of them are 1990s build and are well at 28 years, and tbh Idek if they are even cargo worthy. Hell, I dont even know if anyone wants a 24-28 year old bird with RR engines. Still good the see them in one piece before they become a mangled mess.

Other than that, love the idea of them adding more A319s to the fleet as well as differing the A321neo 5 years back. Would be good to see them have an upgraded version of the aircraft. Also one more question, I know they are in the process of removing PTVs of all narrowbody aircraft as well as get the new seats to match the 737 MAX 8, does anyone know when is that gonna be completed?

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:50 am
by deltaffindfw
I hate that the A319s only have 8 F. Annoying to see them take over some MD-80 routes - lose half the F seats, so basically no chance for upgrades.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:12 am
by 1989worstyear
redwingspilot wrote:
Per company update on fleet plans

​‌‌​​​‌‌‌​​‌​​​​​‌​‌‍We announced some fleet news July 26, including spreading out deliveries of our Airbus A321neos and changing some aircraft retirement schedules.

The biggest change is delaying 22 A321neo deliveries originally scheduled for 2019, 2020, and 2021. The A321neo is a new-engine version of the A321 aircraft we fly today, and we are still getting our first ones early next year as planned. The new delivery plan has us receiving 17 A321neos next year, 15 in 2020 and 18 in 2021. The deferred aircraft will arrive beginning in 2024.

Our fleet plan is constantly evolving to make sure we have the right mix of aircraft arriving at the right time. By delaying some A321neos, we can spread out those deliveries and the costs that go with them.

Other changes announced today:

    We have 10 Boeing 757s based in Phoenix and currently used for Hawaii flying. We had previously planned to retire them in early 2020. Now they’ll retire in late 2019 instead, to be replaced by new A321neos, which will be ETOPS certified.


    We are adding eight leased A319s to our fleet, and we’ll keep 14 Embraer E190s a year longer than previously planned. Those E190s will now retire in 2020 instead of 2019. We’re also retiring 15 fewer B737-800s in 2020 than we had planned. Adding A319s and keeping those other aircraft longer will help cover for the delayed A321neos and previously deferred B737 MAX 8s. Those planes will also help us handle the flying we are adding at our hubs such as DFW, CLT and ORD.


Some of these changes, such as retiring the 10 PHX-based B757s sooner, help to simplify our fleet by reducing the number of subfleets. This is an ongoing effort at American that reduces costs and is good for customers, who can expect a more consistent experience, and team members, who will have a less complex fleet to manage and fly.


Thought so. They were getting rid of way too many state of the art models that came out after Q4 1988 (A333, 738, E190).

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:53 pm
by Swadian
alasizon wrote:
brooklynchris13 wrote:
The fleet plan adjustments announced today seem to make pretty good sense. It appears as though the deferrals of 50 A321NEOS to 2024 and beyond may line up more effectively with the planned retirement of the International 757s. By 2024, Airbus may even have the XLR(?) version of the 321 ready for customers like AA who need an effective 757 replacement on those longer, thin international routes. Very curious to also see if the reconfiguration of 321s and 738s to larger capacities continues as planned, given the effect that would have on capacity with the reduction in 738/E190 retirements and the lease of additional A319s. (Kudos to all those who called that a few months ago btw). Finally, with the full prices starting to spike, would an accelerated MD80 retirement be on the way? Maybe that depends on how fast those A319s can be placed into service?


It would be near impossible to retire the S80s any earlier. If that were to happen, it would result in quite a drop in capacity that would be difficult to backfill because the S80 currently is used to keep frequency up on certain aircraft. The MAXes displace regular 738s back into DFW which displace the S80. Plus, you would be looking at cutting 26 frames in Q1 which although is a slower period for travel; AA is situated very well with PHX, DFW & MIA that still power through the winter and the S80s are a core part of that capacity still. I'd expect the last one to be retired in August of 2019 after the busy summer season.


I agree; if the last S80 is scheduled to leave in 2019 anyway, it doesn't really make any difference if they retire in Q1 or Q4.

Narfish641 wrote:
Sad to see both the 757-200 and 767-300ER go. At least for the 767-300ER they have new lives in the cargo industry and will be flying many miles in the sky for years to come! It also makes me wonder what Roswell is going to do with Americans retired 757-200s with the old chrome livery. Yes I know they are stored and waiting to be strapped but most of those have been desert dwellers for a bit and majority with their engines still on the aircraft. Majority of them are 1990s build and are well at 28 years, and tbh Idek if they are even cargo worthy. Hell, I dont even know if anyone wants a 24-28 year old bird with RR engines. Still good the see them in one piece before they become a mangled mess.

Other than that, love the idea of them adding more A319s to the fleet as well as differing the A321neo 5 years back. Would be good to see them have an upgraded version of the aircraft. Also one more question, I know they are in the process of removing PTVs of all narrowbody aircraft as well as get the new seats to match the 737 MAX 8, does anyone know when is that gonna be completed?


The 757 is not slated for retirement except the LUS 75H which was scheduled to leave in 2020 anyway. They are pretty bad in both Y and F so I don't see any merit of keeping them. I think they'll keep the retrofitted 75L until many 738 and A333 are retired and take updated A321neo with ACF for replacement.

The 763s are in bad shape compared to UA or DL 763s. Pretty soon we can't lob the US3 into one bunch when it comes to aircraft because both UA and DL are keeping the 763 significantly longer than AA and Robert Isom sure wants the A333 gone. Next time he finds an excuse the A333 with its PW engines are going on the chopping block again. Isom mentions fleet simplicity in almost every press release and he won't stop at anything to get rid of S80, 75H, 763, A333, and E90 by 2023.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:20 pm
by Jo8338
sagechan wrote:
American 767 wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
unless you know something even AA doesn't know, there a no 767 expected to be retired until next year. The. current scheduled retirement plan is (6) in 2019, (13) in 2020 and (5) in 2021.


So they'll all be gone in 2022.
I suspect that the final flight will arrive in MIA. MIA will be the last hub to see the 757 and 767, like it was the last hub to still see the 727 back in the early 2000s. JFK will loose the 767 before MIA will, end of next year probably. I also suspect that by the time the last 767 leaves, 24 757s will still be in the fleet, the nAAtive ones that were configured for International flying. Gone also, in 2022, will be the ex-US 757s still flying on PHX-Hawaii runs.


The US 757s doing the Hawaii runs were announced to be removed starting next year, replaced with ETOPS A321neos.


If 17 NEO's are due next year and 10 replace the 75's that are PHX based where will the other 7 go? what config?

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:22 pm
by Jo8338
Narfish641 wrote:
Sad to see both the 757-200 and 767-300ER go. At least for the 767-300ER they have new lives in the cargo industry and will be flying many miles in the sky for years to come! It also makes me wonder what Roswell is going to do with Americans retired 757-200s with the old chrome livery. Yes I know they are stored and waiting to be strapped but most of those have been desert dwellers for a bit and majority with their engines still on the aircraft. Majority of them are 1990s build and are well at 28 years, and tbh Idek if they are even cargo worthy. Hell, I dont even know if anyone wants a 24-28 year old bird with RR engines. Still good the see them in one piece before they become a mangled mess.

Other than that, love the idea of them adding more A319s to the fleet as well as differing the A321neo 5 years back. Would be good to see them have an upgraded version of the aircraft. Also one more question, I know they are in the process of removing PTVs of all narrowbody aircraft as well as get the new seats to match the 737 MAX 8, does anyone know when is that gonna be completed?


Lets hope they rethink pulling the PTV's and adding seats.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:32 pm
by alasizon
Jo8338 wrote:
sagechan wrote:
American 767 wrote:

So they'll all be gone in 2022.
I suspect that the final flight will arrive in MIA. MIA will be the last hub to see the 757 and 767, like it was the last hub to still see the 727 back in the early 2000s. JFK will loose the 767 before MIA will, end of next year probably. I also suspect that by the time the last 767 leaves, 24 757s will still be in the fleet, the nAAtive ones that were configured for International flying. Gone also, in 2022, will be the ex-US 757s still flying on PHX-Hawaii runs.


The US 757s doing the Hawaii runs were announced to be removed starting next year, replaced with ETOPS A321neos.


If 17 NEO's are due next year and 10 replace the 75's that are PHX based where will the other 7 go? what config?


More than likely they will displace LUS 321s out of PHX and running PHX-DFW/CLT runs to give other hubs experience prior to having them move entirely throughout the system. I would guess the first 15 will be PHX based followed by DFW picking up a few.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:43 am
by redwingspilot
alasizon wrote:
Jo8338 wrote:
sagechan wrote:

The US 757s doing the Hawaii runs were announced to be removed starting next year, replaced with ETOPS A321neos.


If 17 NEO's are due next year and 10 replace the 75's that are PHX based where will the other 7 go? what config?


More than likely they will displace LUS 321s out of PHX and running PHX-DFW/CLT runs to give other hubs experience prior to having them move entirely throughout the system. I would guess the first 15 will be PHX based followed by DFW picking up a few.


Or perhaps start filling in MIA?

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:51 am
by Jo8338
Any word on the configuration?

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:10 am
by marvinanderson1
I would like to ask a question, i booked an AA flight on a ERJ- 700, but when I received my itinerary from off of my e-mail the flight listed a ERJ-145, is this general practice, or did I misread, my flight leaves in a month.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:39 am
by Boof02671
There is no such thing as an ERJ700, there is a CRJ700.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:49 pm
by marvinanderson1
My mistake you are right .I meant to say CRJ700. But the question remains ,is it customary or general practice to book a flight on one type of aircraft, CRJ700, and receive your itinerary from off of your e- mail and it says ERJ- 145. The flight leaves in a month on AA.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:09 pm
by Boof02671
Aircraft changes happen all the time.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:28 pm
by itchief
Swadian wrote:
Swadian wrote:
alasizon wrote:

I disagree. I think AA will take some -10s later on in life for South America once the 77Es start to fade. Maybe 10-13 frames. By then the 789s will likely be on other missions that need the range more than South America.


It would be a significant capacity bump over the 77E, except for cargo capacity where it would apparently be less due to MTOW. I think if AA does get a 787-10, they will wait for the 787-10ER. Remember what happened with the 773 that was unpopular until the 77W showed up. Strong capacity discipline can be expected, reflected in the recent order for 20 788s.

Continental767 wrote:
Confirmed: AA will have only 20J on 788s going forward.
https://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com ... ass-seats/


Those Zodiac Concept D were unpopular anyway.


Besides, if they wanted it, they could have ordered it already, yet passed up many oppurtunities to do so.


AA ordered almost 50 777-200er in the 1990's and 16-17 years later ordered 20 777-300er's. Never say never times change things change and history has shown how that can happen.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:58 pm
by sagechan
marvinanderson1 wrote:
My mistake you are right .I meant to say CRJ700. But the question remains ,is it customary or general practice to book a flight on one type of aircraft, CRJ700, and receive your itinerary from off of your e- mail and it says ERJ- 145. The flight leaves in a month on AA.


If you book more than 90 days out schudule isnt anywhere close to firm. Changes can be made within 90 days as well both on time and equipment but is more accurate and they are reducing close in changes.

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 8:06 pm
by Swadian
Jo8338 wrote:
Any word on the configuration?


Should be the 190 seats unless they install flat-bed J for transcons and Hawaii or use ACF. Remember they said they would put some 75L on transcons but now that the 763 fleet is getting gutted, they need 75L more than ever for long sectors so the A321neo could be doing those transcons with 16J. It's not 1-for-1 replacement. Retire some early-model 738 and then you have it.

itchief wrote:
Swadian wrote:
Swadian wrote:

It would be a significant capacity bump over the 77E, except for cargo capacity where it would apparently be less due to MTOW. I think if AA does get a 787-10, they will wait for the 787-10ER. Remember what happened with the 773 that was unpopular until the 77W showed up. Strong capacity discipline can be expected, reflected in the recent order for 20 788s.

Those Zodiac Concept D were unpopular anyway.


Besides, if they wanted it, they could have ordered it already, yet passed up many oppurtunities to do so.


AA ordered almost 50 777-200er in the 1990's and 16-17 years later ordered 20 777-300er's. Never say never times change things change and history has shown how that can happen.


I didn't say never, I said they would wait for 787-10ER. They're not going for the current iteration because if they wanted it they could have ordered it already. Just like how I'm sure AA's 777-300ER are a lot more capable than early model 773.

redwingspilot wrote:
Swadian wrote:
redwingspilot wrote:
Per company update on fleet plans



If AA wants to grow at ORD, I guess it means putting the A321 on a lot of those ORD flights?


It was discussed by the VP of Network Planning that they're not looking to open an Airbus base in ORD.


Doesn't mean they can't put A321 on all flights to/from SFO, LAX, PHX, MIA, PHL, LGA, and BOS. DFW obviously does get some widebodies.