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Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:48 am

MD-83 N9622A is en route from ORD to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9622A
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:56 am

Runway28L wrote:
B788 N800AN is scheduled to fly ORD-PAE tomorrow. Looks like this will be the first -8 to get PE installed.

I am confused. Last Spring B787-8 aircraft N800AN through N808AN all went to SAT for a two week period, then flew a test flight. N809AA is currently at SAT and has been since Aug 20. What was the purpose of this OOS period for each of these aircraft? I thought it was for PE installation.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:46 pm

SAT has been doing the C-CKs I believe and 2-3 weeks seem about right at this early stage in their life.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:24 pm

MD-83 N972TW is en route from TUL to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N972TW
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:07 pm

UpNAWAy wrote:
SAT has been doing the C-CKs I believe and 2-3 weeks seem about right at this early stage in their life.

Thank you!
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:17 pm

MD-83 N962TW is en route from DFW to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N962TW
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:02 pm

demkid wrote:
More MD-80 retirements. I believe this brings the fleet down to 28 with 2 more planned by year's end (according to the most recent fleet update). Still 2 MD-82s in service.

Sent to ROW 9/3:
N9625W

Scheduled to ROW 9/5:
N9630A
N9622A
N962TW
N972TW

This will leave 30 s80. also md82 n501aa has been at dfw since 08.01. Will this aircraft go back in service or will it go to row?
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:27 pm

501 is done. It will be used for de-icing training and then sent to ROW.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:03 pm

N972TW, an ex-TWA bird, must be one of the last MD-80s to come out of the production line back in 1999.
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:06 pm

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501 is done. It will be used for de-icing training and then sent to ROW.


how many more s80 will be retired this year?
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Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:54 am

aaflyer222 wrote:
deltaffindfw wrote:
501 is done. It will be used for de-icing training and then sent to ROW.


how many more s80 will be retired this year?

The investor relations update said 26 on property at year end, so that would be four more retirements.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:56 am

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N972TW, an ex-TWA bird, must be one of the last MD-80s to come out of the production line back in 1999.


Indeed. Twelfth from the last of the line, if I’m counting correctly. In 1999, there were some MD81s that were as old then as this bird is now.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:42 am

 
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:04 pm

It looks like one of the first Frontier A319s coming to the AA fleet is on its way. LN 2012 N922FR ferried from TPA to GYR. Approximately 50,000 hours and 25,000 cycles on the clock.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:02 pm

I assume that it is there for Paint. Will they do a heavy check on it?
 
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:17 pm

Spacepope wrote:
It looks like one of the first Frontier A319s coming to the AA fleet is on its way. LN 2012 N922FR ferried from TPA to GYR. Approximately 50,000 hours and 25,000 cycles on the clock.

Age wise, it slots right in between N833AW and N834AW. So this would actually be one of the younger frames not counting the L-AA ones.

How does N922FR's cycles/hours compare to 833 and 834? Or the entire L-US A319 fleet for that matter?

travaz wrote:
I assume that it is there for Paint. Will they do a heavy check on it?

I'm not sure if it would be at GYR for paint. Maybe it's just being stored there short term until it can enter induction.

As far as maintenance goes... whatever UA has done to the ex-CZ A319/A320s they've acquired, I expect AA will follow a very similar maintenance program for the ex-F9 ones. So almost everything will be ripped out and replaced for the airframes to be brought up to AA spec.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:23 pm

deltaffindfw wrote:
501 is done. It will be used for de-icing training and then sent to ROW.


By my count, there is only one original AA MD-80 left flying, N541. All others are TWA.
 
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:31 pm

travaz wrote:
I assume that it is there for Paint. Will they do a heavy check on it?


It just had a 6 week stop for lease return maintenance. Whatever level inspection GECAS required in the contract, but previously, it looks like it had a 17-day break for inspection in April 2017.
 
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:42 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
It looks like one of the first Frontier A319s coming to the AA fleet is on its way. LN 2012 N922FR ferried from TPA to GYR. Approximately 50,000 hours and 25,000 cycles on the clock.

Age wise, it slots right in between N833AW and N834AW. So this would actually be one of the younger frames not counting the L-AA ones.

How does N922FR's cycles/hours compare to 833 and 834? Or the entire L-US A319 fleet for that matter?

N833AW has around 52,000 hours and 23,000 cycles. N834AW only around 45,000 hours and 21000-ish cycles (most recent SDR a year ago, so extrapolating). All three airframes are roughly comparable.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:47 pm

MO11 wrote:
deltaffindfw wrote:
501 is done. It will be used for de-icing training and then sent to ROW.


By my count, there is only one original AA MD-80 left flying, N541. All others are TWA.


You mean N7541A?
 
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:00 pm

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travaz wrote:
I assume that it is there for Paint. Will they do a heavy check on it?


It just had a 6 week stop for lease return maintenance. Whatever level inspection GECAS required in the contract, but previously, it looks like it had a 17-day break for inspection in April 2017.

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Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:04 pm

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Map of MD80 routes by November
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:42 pm

I didn’t realize mainline even flew MSP-RDU.
 
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:28 pm

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I didn’t realize mainline even flew MSP-RDU.


I believe that's RDU-ORD-MSP
 
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:52 am

Spacepope wrote:
It looks like one of the first Frontier A319s coming to the AA fleet is on its way. LN 2012 N922FR ferried from TPA to GYR. Approximately 50,000 hours and 25,000 cycles on the clock.



Yes, this site has it listed as being ferried to GYR for AA.

http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.m ... av4&page=1
 
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:57 am

bpat777 wrote:
AAtakeMeAway wrote:
I didn’t realize mainline even flew MSP-RDU.


I believe that's RDU-ORD-MSP


It is. There are, at this point, only three MD-80 routes that do not touch DFW. They are RDU, STL and MSP, all three originating from ORD. I don't think American ever flew RDU-MSP nonstop, even at the time when they had a hub in RDU. Delta will do it, I'm sure, maybe not mainline but at least as Delta Connection with ERJ-170 or CR9 equipment.

Midwestindy. Thanks for the MD-80 route map. Very informative and clear.
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:50 am

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AAtakeMeAway wrote:
I didn’t realize mainline even flew MSP-RDU.


I believe that's RDU-ORD-MSP


That makes much more sense. Thanks!
 
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:02 pm

Hard to believe the Mad Dogs are nearly gone. I remember when it seemed I couldn't fly on anything BUT a Mad Dog on AA! Got tired of them, glad they're going.
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:57 pm

Swadian wrote:
MO11 wrote:
deltaffindfw wrote:
501 is done. It will be used for de-icing training and then sent to ROW.


By my count, there is only one original AA MD-80 left flying, N541. All others are TWA.


You mean N7541A?


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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:47 pm

With rising fuel prices AA is better positioned with fewer MD80s. IIRC there’s a 20% difference in fuel burn compared to a 738. But will miss that F seat.
 
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:16 pm

cathay747 wrote:
Hard to believe the Mad Dogs are nearly gone. I remember when it seemed I couldn't fly on anything BUT a Mad Dog on AA! Got tired of them, glad they're going.


Let me preface this with "please excuse me for being nostalgic about the S80..."

I was going on my first interview with AA Feb of 1984. I took a flight from BDL to DFW. Assigned to that sequence was a brand new shiny super 80.
I could see the bright green flight deck from my first class seat and passengers and crew alike were smiling and in good sprits happy to be there. Those stretch nines actually made the 727s look so antiquated in those days. I actually never piloted one until after the airline shake-up in the early nineties when I was displaced from 757/767 captain to MD80 captain, a position I was trying to avoid. Coming from the glass cockpits of the Fokker 100 and Boeing 757/767 I thought Id surely be in the dark ages but that proved to be completely false. Seven years flying AA and QQ (Reno Air) Mad dogs through out North America sold me on the airplane. It was simple, generally dependable, and I am sure it made the company a lot of money. When I eventually moved back to the Boeing it was the end of a special type of flying for me. I am so glad I flew it. For the routes, the crews, and mostly the confidence I had in that machine it will always hold a special place in my heart. Again, sorry for the dribble just couldn't resist.
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:27 pm

AAIRLINERS wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
Hard to believe the Mad Dogs are nearly gone. I remember when it seemed I couldn't fly on anything BUT a Mad Dog on AA! Got tired of them, glad they're going.


Let me preface this with "please excuse me for being nostalgic about the S80..."

I was going on my first interview with AA Feb of 1984. I took a flight from BDL to DFW. Assigned to that sequence was a brand new shiny super 80.
I could see the bright green flight deck from my first class seat and passengers and crew alike were smiling and in good sprits happy to be there. Those stretch nines actually made the 727s look so antiquated in those days. I actually never piloted one until after the airline shake-up in the early nineties when I was displaced from 757/767 captain to MD80 captain, a position I was trying to avoid. Coming from the glass cockpits of the Fokker 100 and Boeing 757/767 I thought Id surely be in the dark ages but that proved to be completely false. Seven years flying AA and QQ (Reno Air) Mad dogs through out North America sold me on the airplane. It was simple, generally dependable, and I am sure it made the company a lot of money. When I eventually moved back to the Boeing it was the end of a special type of flying for me. I am so glad I flew it. For the routes, the crews, and mostly the confidence I had in that machine it will always hold a special place in my heart. Again, sorry for the dribble just couldn't resist.


Not dribble...always great to hear things like this, especially from a pilot...nostalgia is fun. I was just speaking from a pax viewpoint, and personally, that I just got tired of them on longer-hauls like DCA-DFW...on shorter flights like DCA-ORD they were fine. The worst was the longest-haul I ever had on one...LAX-BNA. I will concede the point that without doubt if I had to fly in Y, then I actually preferred the Mad Dog what with the 2x3 config...that aisle seat on the 2-side was the way to go...far better than 3x3...but again, that's my personal view.

As far as the airplane itself...I just always felt it was a bit too much airplane for the wing & engines. Doesn't it have a wing-loading issue? I seem to recall reading that the MD-80 had a less-than-optimal wing design. And not much if any reserve power, unlike the 757 which of course had power to throw away...I never wanted to experience an engine-out situation on a Mad Dog! Now I'm dribbling on LOL.
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Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:16 pm

E145 N655AE ferried from ABI to RIC last night for transfer from Envoy to Piedmont. 51 x E145 on property now at Piedmont.
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:46 am

Another MAX delivery

N328RR / 3RR
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Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:15 pm

CR7 N507AE ferried from MQT to DAY for transfer from Envoy to PSA. 44 x CR7 on property now at PSA.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:06 pm

cathay747 wrote:
AAIRLINERS wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
Hard to believe the Mad Dogs are nearly gone. I remember when it seemed I couldn't fly on anything BUT a Mad Dog on AA! Got tired of them, glad they're going.


Let me preface this with "please excuse me for being nostalgic about the S80..."

I was going on my first interview with AA Feb of 1984. I took a flight from BDL to DFW. Assigned to that sequence was a brand new shiny super 80.
I could see the bright green flight deck from my first class seat and passengers and crew alike were smiling and in good sprits happy to be there. Those stretch nines actually made the 727s look so antiquated in those days. I actually never piloted one until after the airline shake-up in the early nineties when I was displaced from 757/767 captain to MD80 captain, a position I was trying to avoid. Coming from the glass cockpits of the Fokker 100 and Boeing 757/767 I thought Id surely be in the dark ages but that proved to be completely false. Seven years flying AA and QQ (Reno Air) Mad dogs through out North America sold me on the airplane. It was simple, generally dependable, and I am sure it made the company a lot of money. When I eventually moved back to the Boeing it was the end of a special type of flying for me. I am so glad I flew it. For the routes, the crews, and mostly the confidence I had in that machine it will always hold a special place in my heart. Again, sorry for the dribble just couldn't resist.


Not dribble...always great to hear things like this, especially from a pilot...nostalgia is fun. I was just speaking from a pax viewpoint, and personally, that I just got tired of them on longer-hauls like DCA-DFW...on shorter flights like DCA-ORD they were fine. The worst was the longest-haul I ever had on one...LAX-BNA. I will concede the point that without doubt if I had to fly in Y, then I actually preferred the Mad Dog what with the 2x3 config...that aisle seat on the 2-side was the way to go...far better than 3x3...but again, that's my personal view.

As far as the airplane itself...I just always felt it was a bit too much airplane for the wing & engines. Doesn't it have a wing-loading issue? I seem to recall reading that the MD-80 had a less-than-optimal wing design. And not much if any reserve power, unlike the 757 which of course had power to throw away...I never wanted to experience an engine-out situation on a Mad Dog! Now I'm dribbling on LOL.


I won't miss them either. I lived in STL for a long period of time and you couldn't go anywhere on AA without it being on an MD80. Will not miss.
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:32 pm

How many 321neos are expected to be delivered in 2019?
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:42 pm

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I won't miss them either. I lived in STL for a long period of time and you couldn't go anywhere on AA without it being on an MD80. Will not miss.


Same with DFW...especially DFW, during the 90s and 2000s. From the late 80s till the early 2010s, during that time frame, if you took a domestic flight with AA to/from DFW chances are it was a Super 80. I am nostalgic about the MD-80, although not as much as I always was for the 727.
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:00 am

Detroit313 wrote:
How many 321neos are expected to be delivered in 2019?

17 according to the Investor Relations Update.
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:48 pm

American 767 wrote:
777PHX wrote:

I won't miss them either. I lived in STL for a long period of time and you couldn't go anywhere on AA without it being on an MD80. Will not miss.


Same with DFW...especially DFW, during the 90s and 2000s. From the late 80s till the early 2010s, during that time frame, if you took a domestic flight with AA to/from DFW chances are it was a Super 80. I am nostalgic about the MD-80, although not as much as I always was for the 727.


Oh yeah, I remember DFW back then...looked more like the McD post-assembly flight line at LGB vs. AA's terminal at DFW what with the plethora of Mad Dogs arrayed round the terminals!! LOL I dearly miss the 727 too.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:42 pm

Anyone know if there are plans for a 787 oneworld?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:19 pm

Heard rumors that AA is putting the A321 into a 196-seat configuration? I thought it was supposed to be a 190-seat configuration? Isn't it just the A321neo getting 196 seats because they have the new ACF cabin?
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:46 pm

Swadian wrote:
Heard rumors that AA is putting the A321 into a 196-seat configuration? I thought it was supposed to be a 190-seat configuration? Isn't it just the A321neo getting 196 seats because they have the new ACF cabin?


Current A321's in the fleet will be reconfigured to 190 starting next year through 2021.
 
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Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:41 am

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1045 ... 49409?s=20

JonNYC seems to be a reliable AA insider but the A321neo is rumored to have 196 seats. (20 F and 176 Y)

As of now the A321ceo is scheduled to have 190 seats . Although I have no idea if they are going to 196 seats for the ceo.
 
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Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:43 am

How is the Oasis project going? Do we know how many 737-800 have been retrofitted? When is the first A321 going to be retrofitted?
 
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Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:26 am

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How is the Oasis project going? Do we know how many 737-800 have been retrofitted? When is the first A321 going to be retrofitted?


11 in service as of now..

Also neo's will be 196 seaters
 
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Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:10 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1045019844213649409?s=20

JonNYC seems to be a reliable AA insider but the A321neo is rumored to have 196 seats. (20 F and 176 Y)

As of now the A321ceo is scheduled to have 190 seats . Although I have no idea if they are going to 196 seats for the ceo.


Yeah, I can see how A321neos will be 196 seats if the A321ceo is 190 because ACF would increase capacity, but doesn't this mean they can't do 196 on the A321ceo? So there'd still be 5 A321 subfleets that are not interchangeable:
A321
A321T
A321 ETOPS
A321neo
A321neo ETOPS

That's not even counting any possible Transcon / International A321neo with lie-flat J seats like the 75L. So much for fleet simplification.
 
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Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:48 am

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Yeah, I can see how A321neos will be 196 seats if the A321ceo is 190 because ACF would increase capacity, but doesn't this mean they can't do 196 on the A321ceo? So there'd still be 5 A321 subfleets that are not interchangeable:
A321
A321T
A321 ETOPS
A321neo
A321neo ETOPS

That's not even counting any possible Transcon / International A321neo with lie-flat J seats like the 75L. So much for fleet simplification.


Yeah I see your point. Most likely the A321 is going to be 196. But I guess in order to get 196 seats the center bathroom is going to be removed for the current A321?
 
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Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:24 am

PHLspecial wrote:
Swadian wrote:

Yeah, I can see how A321neos will be 196 seats if the A321ceo is 190 because ACF would increase capacity, but doesn't this mean they can't do 196 on the A321ceo? So there'd still be 5 A321 subfleets that are not interchangeable:
A321
A321T
A321 ETOPS
A321neo
A321neo ETOPS

That's not even counting any possible Transcon / International A321neo with lie-flat J seats like the 75L. So much for fleet simplification.






Yeah I see your point. Most likely the A321 is going to be 196. But I guess in order to get 196 seats the center bathroom is going to be removed for the current A321?



all 321 ac beside the neo will be modded to 190 seats. The neo will be 196. The current 321 etops ac will rarely fly etops once the 321neos will arrive.
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Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:05 am

So, we can for sure say that the neo is going to have 20 seats in first class and the other 321s will stay at 16?

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