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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:56 pm

This has quite a nice overview of the differences between the old and new Beluga: http://www.aertecsolutions.com/download ... ga-ENG.pdf
 
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Re: Official A330 Production/Flight Testing - 2018

Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:49 pm

CFRPwingALbody wrote:
Why didn't Airbus remove the vertical tail plain and used a tail like the AN-225?


It would add weight, they have kept it much the same, please note it looks like they will also have two ventral strakes added.
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Re: Official A330 Production/Flight Testing - 2018

Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:54 pm

zeke wrote:
CFRPwingALbody wrote:
Why didn't Airbus remove the vertical tail plain and used a tail like the AN-225?


It would add weight, they have kept it much the same, please note it looks like they will also have two ventral strakes added.

It would also need a huge amount of redesign and recertifying. I really couldn't see it being as straightforward as pushing the straight tailplane plank through the existing "slot". The An-225 has a much broader rear fuselage to carry the twin tail assembly and this would (if used on an A330) probably void heaven knows how many pieces of grandfathered design.
 
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Re: Official A330 Production/Flight Testing - 2018

Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:16 pm

Channex757 wrote:
zeke wrote:
CFRPwingALbody wrote:
Why didn't Airbus remove the vertical tail plain and used a tail like the AN-225?


It would add weight, they have kept it much the same, please note it looks like they will also have two ventral strakes added.

It would also need a huge amount of redesign and recertifying. I really couldn't see it being as straightforward as pushing the straight tailplane plank through the existing "slot". The An-225 has a much broader rear fuselage to carry the twin tail assembly and this would (if used on an A330) probably void heaven knows how many pieces of grandfathered design.


Excellent point. Airbus never tried to get EASA certification for the Beluga, however, and will never do it for the XL. As far as I understand it they operate them under some kind of permanent test airplane certificate for internal use only. I'm sure someone with more inside can elaborate on this better then I could.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:23 pm

And that is another reason why, as I understand it, the fleet will be limited to 5 frames.
 
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Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:31 pm

mat66 wrote:
Excellent point. Airbus never tried to get EASA certification for the Beluga, however, and will never do it for the XL. As far as I understand it they operate them under some kind of permanent test airplane certificate for internal use only. I'm sure someone with more inside can elaborate on this better then I could.


It is EASA certified https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/files ... Issue6.pdf
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Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:42 pm

zeke wrote:
mat66 wrote:
Excellent point. Airbus never tried to get EASA certification for the Beluga, however, and will never do it for the XL. As far as I understand it they operate them under some kind of permanent test airplane certificate for internal use only. I'm sure someone with more inside can elaborate on this better then I could.


It is EASA certified https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/files ... Issue6.pdf



Ok, I stand corrected. I just remember reading years ago that Airbus can never sell the aircraft. This might be the restricted part of the certification. To be honest I don't know ;)
 
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Re: Official A330 Production/Flight Testing - 2018

Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:47 am

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Wow! thanks for the update!

The tail section however looks a little odd - probably a consequence of not being fully painted yet?



LOL. The whole plane looks odd due to its function, generally.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:28 am

Pardon my ignorance, but is this thread now Beluga exclusive or will we still see updates on passenger A330s?

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Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:37 am

mat66 wrote:
Channex757 wrote:
zeke wrote:

It would add weight, they have kept it much the same, please note it looks like they will also have two ventral strakes added.

It would also need a huge amount of redesign and recertifying. I really couldn't see it being as straightforward as pushing the straight tailplane plank through the existing "slot". The An-225 has a much broader rear fuselage to carry the twin tail assembly and this would (if used on an A330) probably void heaven knows how many pieces of grandfathered design.


Excellent point. Airbus never tried to get EASA certification for the Beluga, however, and will never do it for the XL. As far as I understand it they operate them under some kind of permanent test airplane certificate for internal use only. I'm sure someone with more inside can elaborate on this better then I could.


Airbus have flown cargo for third parties several times on the Beluga, including pandas and paintings - they couldn't do that under a test or restricted certificate.
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:06 am

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Pardon my ignorance, but is this thread now Beluga exclusive or will we still see updates on passenger A330s?


A330ceo Production Thread - viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1383189
A330neo Production Thread - viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1382683
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:35 am

mat66 wrote:
Ok, I stand corrected. I just remember reading years ago that Airbus can never sell the aircraft. This might be the restricted part of the certification. To be honest I don't know ;)


My guess would be no production certificate was obtained for them. The were produced under the A300 production certificate and then modified.
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:01 am

pugman211 wrote:
reidar76 wrote:
Is the Beluga cargo hold pressurized?

No. .....


moo wrote:
Airbus have flown cargo for third parties several times on the Beluga, including pandas and .....


:roll: Hmm..., were the pandas on oxygen? :scratchchin:

enzo011 wrote:
Airbus press release for the BelugaXL,
First BelugaXL transporter rolls off assembly line


From the photos in the hangar one can guess that they took fuselage barrels from the A330(F), put them together and afterwards removed the upper part at the level of the cargo hold floor...
Am I right?
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:57 am

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Airbus have flown cargo for third parties several times on the Beluga, including pandas and .....


:roll: Hmm..., were the pandas on oxygen? :scratchchin:


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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:32 am

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Pardon my ignorance, but is this thread now Beluga exclusive or will we still see updates on passenger A330s?

-Rowen


Are you suggesting a complete and severe thread drift as this thread and topic is obviously exlusive to the Airbus Beluga!

Well at least you had the decency to ask rather than going ahead with the thread drift like so many do on a.net.
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:49 am

This might be a stupid question but I assume because this is an internal project and would only be used by Airbus crews it will not go though a full flight test program? I’m guessing it will fly under some experimental certificate?
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:52 am

It should undergo a partial flight test schedule and be normally registered.
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:00 am

If the new fleet is set at 5 aeroplanes, then they might wish to consider how the new Europe/Canada/US operations will best work, with the expected enhanced A321 with bigger wings, longer fuselage etc?
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:15 am

No need they will be done by surface transport
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:34 pm

As an engineer told me, “engineering is a vagabond life, we all have laptops and thumb drives”.

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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:38 pm

redcap1962 wrote:
pugman211 wrote:
reidar76 wrote:
Is the Beluga cargo hold pressurized?

No. .....


moo wrote:
Airbus have flown cargo for third parties several times on the Beluga, including pandas and .....


:roll: Hmm..., were the pandas on oxygen? :scratchchin:

enzo011 wrote:
Airbus press release for the BelugaXL,
First BelugaXL transporter rolls off assembly line


From the photos in the hangar one can guess that they took fuselage barrels from the A330(F), put them together and afterwards removed the upper part at the level of the cargo hold floor...
Am I right?


Cut off at the level of the main floor, or cargo hold sealing.
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:49 pm

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There will be 5.

5 is the number and the number shall be 5.

The nose is fabulous but the rear looks like a mish-mash. But I will wait to see it painted for final judgement.
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:38 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
As an engineer told me, “engineering is a vagabond life, we all have laptops and thumb drives”.


While this may be true (says I while sitting behind multiple secured laptops, phones and connections - with an insecure USB key to transfer between them :lol:) what does this have to do with the thread?
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:42 pm

Channex757 wrote:
zeke wrote:
CFRPwingALbody wrote:
Why didn't Airbus remove the vertical tail plain and used a tail like the AN-225?


It would add weight, they have kept it much the same, please note it looks like they will also have two ventral strakes added.

It would also need a huge amount of redesign and recertifying. I really couldn't see it being as straightforward as pushing the straight tailplane plank through the existing "slot". The An-225 has a much broader rear fuselage to carry the twin tail assembly and this would (if used on an A330) probably void heaven knows how many pieces of grandfathered design.


From their press release it sounds like the tail is essentially new anyways.

Longer and wider than the BelugaST it is replacing, Airbus’ BelugaXL super transporter required several modifications – including a specially-designed tail section – to ensure stability in flight


You can find it on the caption of one of the pics.
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:27 pm

Most people seem to overlook the fact that while the main VTP is lifted from a normal A330, the tail section is made up of that VTP, modified HTP including additional vertical strakes and a bulked-up structure supporting it all (note that the "cone" actually ends in a flat section rather like a 747.
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:30 pm

I mentioned these either here or elsewhere and the response is they are likely to be large vanes (vortex generators) to ensure the flow over the rear section is as expected. They do look odd.
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:34 pm

By the way, no-else notice the odd "comb" structures under the tail cone? I'm guessing that's something to do with minimum unstick testing (like the little cantilever thing they used on the A380).
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:40 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
Cut off at the level of the main floor, or cargo hold sealing.

Sorry, I meant the floor of the Beluga Cargo hold - but I got the point... :yes:
...more or less as I expected then, THX!
And the cut-off upper part is waste then... :?
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:30 pm

SomebodyInTLS wrote:
By the way, no-else notice the odd "comb" structures under the tail cone? I'm guessing that's something to do with minimum unstick testing (like the little cantilever thing they used on the A380).

The "comb" structures are to mount some aero structures. You can see it in the webpage dedicated to the Beluga Livery:
http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/news/en/ ... -face.html
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:30 pm

Will the Belugas receive this adorable livery?

Image
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:31 pm

Beluga & BelugaXL sizes at a Beluga hangar (I think Hamburg, but could also be in the UK)
Image
Image from FlightGlobal.

Edit to add: Yes the BelugaXLs will get the smile. It was the livery that won the Airbus internal competition.
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:37 pm

I sure hope so! That would be clahh-sic!
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:50 pm

redcap1962 wrote:
From the photos in the hangar one can guess that they took fuselage barrels from the A330(F), put them together and afterwards removed the upper part at the level of the cargo hold floor...
Am I right?


Indeed. Picture prove:
Image
Image

This is the flightglobal article from the picture of my previous post.
And this airlinereporter article is a nice addition to this post.
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:11 pm

lostsound wrote:
Will the Belugas receive this adorable livery?

Image


I wonder why Airbus didn't use the A350's curved cockpit windows? Is there no aero benefit to them(which would seem odd)? I know a number of years ago, they were significantly more expensive. But today?
Wouldn't increasing the production rate of the A350's windows lower cost?

CFRPwingALbody wrote:
Beluga & BelugaXL sizes at a Beluga hangar (I think Hamburg, but could also be in the UK)
Image
Image from FlightGlobal.

Edit to add: Yes the BelugaXLs will get the smile. It was the livery that won the Airbus internal competition.


Quite a difference! Thank you for sharing. Would love to see a photo difference.
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:20 pm

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I wonder why Airbus didn't use the A350's curved cockpit windows? Is there no aero benefit to them(which would seem odd)? I know a number of years ago, they were significantly more expensive. But today?
Wouldn't increasing the production rate of the A350's windows lower cost?

Because it is the A330 nose and cockpit. Airbus just lowered it with respect to the rest of the normal A330 fuselage and now it has a tumor growing out of its head.
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:32 pm

SomebodyInTLS wrote:
By the way, no-else notice the odd "comb" structures under the tail cone? I'm guessing that's something to do with minimum unstick testing (like the little cantilever thing they used on the A380).


I noticed them, they will be the frames for the two ventral strakes I mentioned above.
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:19 pm

On the first picture in post #83 you can see "A330-700" on the fuselage. Have'nt seen that before..

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Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:34 pm

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On the first picture in post #83 you can see "A330-700" on the fuselage. Have'nt seen that before..
b.


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Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:12 pm

Polot wrote:
Slug71 wrote:
I wonder why Airbus didn't use the A350's curved cockpit windows? Is there no aero benefit to them(which would seem odd)? I know a number of years ago, they were significantly more expensive. But today?
Wouldn't increasing the production rate of the A350's windows lower cost?

Because it is the A330 nose and cockpit. Airbus just lowered it with respect to the rest of the normal A330 fuselage and now it has a tumor growing out of its head.


Yeh but I meant for the A330NEO too. Probably should have added that.
 
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:52 am

Cunard wrote:
res77W wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but is this thread now Beluga exclusive or will we still see updates on passenger A330s?

-Rowen


Are you suggesting a complete and severe thread drift as this thread and topic is obviously exlusive to the Airbus Beluga!

Well at least you had the decency to ask rather than going ahead with the thread drift like so many do on a.net.

Not so fast. The moderators locked the thread Official A330 Production/Flight Testing - 2014-2017 and linked this thread as the one to continue the discussion in:

SQ22 wrote:
Please continue your discussion and to post your updates in the 2018 thread:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1382677


Personally I would have rather continued discussion in an ongoing thread about A330 production and flight testing, but it seems for some reason we are being asked to discuss that here instead.

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Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:16 am

VirginFlyer wrote:
Cunard wrote:
res77W wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but is this thread now Beluga exclusive or will we still see updates on passenger A330s?

-Rowen


Are you suggesting a complete and severe thread drift as this thread and topic is obviously exlusive to the Airbus Beluga!

Well at least you had the decency to ask rather than going ahead with the thread drift like so many do on a.net.

Not so fast. The moderators locked the thread Official A330 Production/Flight Testing - 2014-2017 and linked this thread as the one to continue the discussion in:

SQ22 wrote:
Please continue your discussion and to post your updates in the 2018 thread:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1382677




Personally I would have rather continued discussion in an ongoing thread about A330 production and flight testing, but it seems for some reason we are being asked to discuss that here instead.

V/F


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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:06 am

What is the range of the BelugaXL with a typical payload? It might be sufficient to go from Europe to Mobile with one tech stop.
 
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:24 am

Not with one stop, would take two. Parts except for engines would go by ship.
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:43 am

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I wonder why Airbus didn't use the A350's curved cockpit windows? Is there no aero benefit to them(which would seem odd)?


I'm sure there is some minor aero benefit, but that honking great bulge just behind will wipe that out and then some!

Since the A330neo also kept the original A330 cockpit (AFAIK), one assumes it fell on the wrong side of the cost/benefit calculation.
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:19 am

Forgive me if this has already been answered earlier in the thread: Will the old Belugas be retired as the new Beluga XLs are coming in, or will they be kept going in parallell?
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:31 am

I see the vertical surfaces at the end of htp are now canted inward… Am I the subject of an optical illusion?
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:19 pm

OscarAlpha wrote:
SomebodyInTLS wrote:
By the way, no-else notice the odd "comb" structures under the tail cone? I'm guessing that's something to do with minimum unstick testing (like the little cantilever thing they used on the A380).

The "comb" structures are to mount some aero structures. You can see it in the webpage dedicated to the Beluga Livery:
http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/news/en/ ... -face.html


Ah yes, thanks... shows nicely in the post right below yours! :)
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:22 pm

lostsound wrote:
Will the Belugas receive this adorable livery?

Image


AFAIK that is the official livery selected by popular vote among the employees.
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:28 pm

Slug71 wrote:
I wonder why Airbus didn't use the A350's curved cockpit windows? Is there no aero benefit to them(which would seem odd)? I know a number of years ago, they were significantly more expensive. But today?


And just how do you expect to stick A350 windows into an A330 cockpit structure?!?
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:36 pm

hilram wrote:
Forgive me if this has already been answered earlier in the thread: Will the old Belugas be retired as the new Beluga XLs are coming in, or will they be kept going in parallell?


I believe the plan is to use them in parallel to help with the increased production demand for a while.

Though according to this the original Belugas will be retired around 2025. http://www.aircargonews.net/news/airlin ... -2019.html

So who knows, there might be a second lot of Beluga XLs depending on demand.

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