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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:09 pm

WIederling wrote:
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Also, can anyone confirm if the current Beluga uses a 3 man cockpit with a flight engineer? Tried to find pictures but they seem to be quite elusive. :grumpy:


I could imagine something like a loadmaster.
the base airplane is an A300-600 with FF cockpit and a crew of two.!?


The above flightglobal article had me confused, specifically this quote...

It states that loadmasters have taken over tasks previously performed by flight engineers, adding that this role is being “phased out”.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:10 pm

pugman211 wrote:
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Also the cockpit is from the A330. It will be a two man cockpit



But also has a load master. However I'm not sure if that role is replacing the flight engineer. I'm also sure I saw a flight global article stating that the B-XL had an area for additional crew seats? Can't seem to find the link though.


Additional seats for "messengers" or other corporate staff going from place to place. not crew.
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:35 pm

WIederling wrote:
pugman211 wrote:
StTim wrote:
Also the cockpit is from the A330. It will be a two man cockpit



But also has a load master. However I'm not sure if that role is replacing the flight engineer. I'm also sure I saw a flight global article stating that the B-XL had an area for additional crew seats? Can't seem to find the link though.


Additional seats for "messengers" or other corporate staff going from place to place. not crew.


Yea that's what I meant to say lol
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:35 am

Interesting to see if a review of grandfathering, experimental and special arrangements, spills over to the Beluga and others of it's ilk.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:51 am

smartplane wrote:
Interesting to see if a review of grandfathering, experimental and special arrangements, spills over to the Beluga and others of it's ilk.


What exactly is it that you think they can grandfather? It's a completely different air frame. That's why they are doing a full certification programme for it.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:23 am

pugman211 wrote:
smartplane wrote:
Interesting to see if a review of grandfathering, experimental and special arrangements, spills over to the Beluga and others of it's ilk.


What exactly is it that you think they can grandfather? It's a completely different air frame. That's why they are doing a full certification programme for it.


Agreed. It will be like saying the A330 was grandfathered from the A300, which surely wasn't the case.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:21 am

Erebus wrote:
It will be like saying the A330 was grandfathered from the A300, which surely wasn't the case.

you have those posters around here :-)
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:26 pm

WIederling wrote:
Erebus wrote:
It will be like saying the A330 was grandfathered from the A300, which surely wasn't the case.

you have those posters around here :-)


One can see that Airbus is by far not as obsessed with grandfathering as Boeing. The A330 was practical a stretched A300 with a bigger wing. Airbus did not bother about grandfathering. They put everything at that time state of the art into the A330/340 and ended up with two new type certificates.

The older Beluga is a A300 and the newer BelugaXL is a A330. They both do not or will not operate under the A300 or A330 type certification, but get a special limited certification on their own.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:58 pm

 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:14 pm

The A330-700 ACAPS document is available from Airbus

https://www.airbus.com/content/dam/corp ... lugaXL.pdf
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Sat May 18, 2019 10:28 am

Just a quick update, Beluga XL #2 came to Broughton yesterday and collected the first set (2 wings together) of A350 wings and flew them to Bremen.

Video crews were recording the take off so I guess there will be a video available from Airbus soon.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Sat May 18, 2019 10:47 am

pugman211 wrote:
Just a quick update, Beluga XL #2 came to Broughton yesterday and collected the first set (2 wings together) of A350 wings and flew them to Bremen.

Video crews were recording the take off so I guess there will be a video available from Airbus soon.


So they are doing production flying during the test certification flying?
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Sat May 18, 2019 12:17 pm

Interesting. It might be a proving run, either as part of the certification program, or just for Airbus' benefit, with the blessing of the authorities.
After all, they don't care if a payload is a dummy one or not, as long as it's not alive or DG...
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Sat May 18, 2019 1:17 pm

Francoflier wrote:
Interesting. It might be a proving run, either as part of the certification program, or just for Airbus' benefit, with the blessing of the authorities.
After all, they don't care if a payload is a dummy one or not, as long as it's not alive or DG...


certified as of April 17 2019 apparently:
https://www.easa.europa.eu/download/mrb ... d-MRBR.pdf
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:29 am

I still see (on fr24) the two current XL’s doing test flying. Are we certain they are certified?
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:46 pm

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I still see (on fr24) the two current XL’s doing test flying. Are we certain they are certified?


Maybe on paper, but not officially. You will hear from Airbus on social media when it is.

BelugaXL #1 seems to do all the Technical Flight testing while Beluga XL #2 seems to do all the route proving Flights.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:25 pm

bspc wrote:
StTim wrote:
I still see (on fr24) the two current XL’s doing test flying. Are we certain they are certified?


Maybe on paper, but not officially. You will hear from Airbus on social media when it is.

BelugaXL #1 seems to do all the Technical Flight testing while Beluga XL #2 seems to do all the route proving Flights.



I'd agree with the above, XL2 has been to Broughton a few times and taken a few sets of wings now. Not sure where they are up to on testing with XL1.

Has anyone seen parts for XL3 anywhere?
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:24 pm

Certified: Yes.
Accepted into service: Not yet.

That sound about right?
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:28 pm

pugman211 wrote:
bspc wrote:
StTim wrote:
I still see (on fr24) the two current XL’s doing test flying. Are we certain they are certified?


Maybe on paper, but not officially. You will hear from Airbus on social media when it is.

BelugaXL #1 seems to do all the Technical Flight testing while Beluga XL #2 seems to do all the route proving Flights.



I'd agree with the above, XL2 has been to Broughton a few times and taken a few sets of wings now. Not sure where they are up to on testing with XL1.

Has anyone seen parts for XL3 anywhere?



https://aibfamily.flights/beluga/1930

Apparently already since last November.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:23 pm

Don't know if this has been posted elsewhere already but the Beluga XL has now received type approval by EASA.

https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... s-belugaxl
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... ation.html

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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:43 pm

Looks like MSN 1853 has entered regular service. It flew TLS-BRE as BGA115H earlier today, and is now online as BGA154H, so it looks like it's headed to CEG.
https://www.flightradar24.com/BGA154H/
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:57 pm

How many XLs are left to be completed?
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:01 pm

Slug71 wrote:
How many XLs are left to be completed?


5 are yet to enter service.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:20 pm

Kindanew wrote:
Slug71 wrote:
How many XLs are left to be completed?


5 are yet to enter service.


Are they all built though?
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:09 pm

Slug71 wrote:
Kindanew wrote:
Slug71 wrote:
How many XLs are left to be completed?


5 are yet to enter service.


Are they all built though?


I think they are only being built 1 at a time. But the second one is definitely under construction already.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:26 pm

First one is the certification example
2nd is the first in service.
3rd is halfway or more through assembly phase last time I saw it.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:36 pm

pugman211 wrote:
First one is the certification example
2nd is the first in service.
3rd is halfway or more through assembly phase last time I saw it.


Does anyone know what the timetable is on the first one produced entering service? I take it this is freed up now the certification has been completed?
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:57 pm

JamesCousins wrote:
pugman211 wrote:
First one is the certification example
2nd is the first in service.
3rd is halfway or more through assembly phase last time I saw it.


Does anyone know what the timetable is on the first one produced entering service? I take it this is freed up now the certification has been completed?


It is quite bit of work to remove all the testing equipment, so it can take a while.
Perhaps the next in service will be #3.
First parts for #4 arrived in October at the FAL.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:22 pm

speedygonzales wrote:
Looks like MSN 1853 has entered regular service. It flew TLS-BRE as BGA115H earlier today, and is now online as BGA154H, so it looks like it's headed to CEG.
https://www.flightradar24.com/BGA154H/


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