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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:41 pm

Airbus has released a video of the first flight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBI_Z4sr9p8
 
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Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:01 pm

4th flight already. This frame is putting in some good hours.
 
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Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:23 am

She is up again now on the 5th flight - quite some speed on this test campaign.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:45 pm

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She is up again now on the 5th flight - quite some speed on this test campaign.


Indeed. The faster they certify it, the faster they can get to work with increased production rates.
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:49 pm

The runway at Broughton is like a bee hive at present. The runway is in full swing to being upgraded and resurfaced in preparation to the XL going into service next year.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:26 am

Just a quick update, the Beluga XL seems to be on it's 24th flight to date and is currently doing touch and go's at Toulouse airport. Looking on FR history some flights are over 2 hours long and others are as short as 20 minutes.

Anyone have a more detailed update of the program?
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:41 am

BelugaXL doing a go around this morning

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Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:12 pm

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I didn't realize how stubby it was but it's probably just an optical illusion due to the fuselage height.


1m bigger fuselage and the tail has become "fatter".
( IMU the hold reaches further back into the tail and is thus fuller
and vertical stab has been moved upwards.)
Being overall longer probably does not suffice to keep the proportions of the 1st gen Beluga?
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:10 pm

Is there any technical reason why Airbus went with with the Trent 700 over the other engines for this role?
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:26 pm

Most popular engine on the A330-200 nwhich is the base frame.
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:27 pm

Still hoping for (lots of) side-by-side comparisons between the new and the old ones
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:02 am

Additional information on the Beluga frames:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... xl-452363/
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:15 am

LoganTheBogan wrote:
Additional information on the Beluga frames:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... xl-452363/


What might the reduced MTOW version be good for?
( apparently a paper derate ?)
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:28 am

WIederling wrote:
LoganTheBogan wrote:
Additional information on the Beluga frames:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... xl-452363/


What might the reduced MTOW version be good for?
( apparently a paper derate ?)


I was wondering the same, seems like a bit of a weird one as it much reduces flexibility. Unless somehow it means they can declare it as a totally different variant and then make another 5 under the same rules?

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Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:46 am

flipdewaf wrote:
WIederling wrote:
LoganTheBogan wrote:
Additional information on the Beluga frames:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... xl-452363/


What might the reduced MTOW version be good for?
( apparently a paper derate ?)


I was wondering the same, seems like a bit of a weird one as it much reduces flexibility. Unless somehow it means they can declare it as a totally different variant and then make another 5 under the same rules?

Fred

you think? It is an EASA decision not FAA. Would not work.
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:50 am

Any airports with weight restrictions where the runways can't be reinforced?
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:23 am

WIederling wrote:
What might the reduced MTOW version be good for? ( apparently a paper derate ?)

flipdewaf wrote:
I was wondering the same, seems like a bit of a weird one as it much reduces flexibility.


As with most paper de-rates, it is likely to reduce airport landing fees and in-flight navigation fees. I would not be surprised if this was a dynamic weight that can be chosen per flight so when they need the range, they can use the higher TOW and when they do not, they can use the lower and save on fees. Airbus offers this option on their commercial frames to airline, as well.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:24 am

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What might the reduced MTOW version be good for?
( apparently a paper derate ?)


Lower navigation charges and airport charges which are based upon MTOW. For most of their work they simply don’t need to carry that much weight. Even a pair of wings would not be that heavy, while being bulky it is mainly air.
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:26 am

Several commercial aircraft have more than one certified MTOW. It allows for lower airport fees where the operator does not need the full take off weight of the airplane. Typically larger aircraft on short routes.

Since Airbus will mostly use the Belugas on short flights across western Europe, I'm guessing that's the goal here.
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:08 pm

it's been confirmed as route/airport charges.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... xl-452601/
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:01 am

Any update on the XL?
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:27 pm

I've heard it's due to be at Broughton in February to do testing there touch and go's etc etc. The blast fences are up now on the end of runway 04 I think, not sure about the other end.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:07 pm

LoganTheBogan wrote:
StTim wrote:
She is up again now on the 5th flight - quite some speed on this test campaign.


Indeed. The faster they certify it, the faster they can get to work with increased production rates.

And a big incentive to beat possible changes to grandfathering eligibility and application rules.
 
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:53 pm

With those different WV, will the exploitant (Airbus, for that matter) be able to declare one WV when the plane flies loaded, and another one when it flies back empty?
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Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:05 am

Variable MTOW's also a good hedge for the proposed extension of CORSIA to dedicated freight aircraft, as it reduces penalties applied for operating light/empty flights.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:10 pm

AIRBUS has revealed that the Beluga XL will debut at Broughton on Valentine's day next week (weather permitting)

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.ches ... 789975.amp
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:37 am

Any news on when it will be certified?
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:49 am

LoganTheBogan wrote:
Any news on when it will be certified?


In the above link it says between September and October this year.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:08 am

pugman211 wrote:
AIRBUS has revealed that the Beluga XL will debut at Broughton on Valentine's day next week (weather permitting)


Enjoy :)
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:51 pm

Airbus to build a sixth Beluga XL. And trying to sell the original A300-based frames.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... bo-jet-era
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:58 pm

That link goes to an A380 story. And I can't find an article about a 6th Beluga XL anywhere.
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:53 pm

Scroll down past the A380 story to find the 6th Beluga XL info.
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:24 pm

 
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:03 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:



Thanks, interesting that Airbus is going to add a 6th XL, surely that can only mean A350 and A320 rates are going to go higher, although an increasing number of A320 family travel by road now.
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:25 pm

pugman211 wrote:
Thanks, interesting that Airbus is going to add a 6th XL, surely that can only mean A350 and A320 rates are going to go higher, although an increasing number of A320 family travel by road now.


Either they have found a way to get around the limit of 5 frames under an experimental cert
or they intend to fully certify the XL?

PS and apropos: who certified the original set of 5 -600ST Belugas ?
Already Euro EASA or was that one of the national precursors.
https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/defaul ... 052010.pdf
original cert by French DGAC ? ( or JAA )
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:51 pm

pugman211 wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:



Thanks, interesting that Airbus is going to add a 6th XL, surely that can only mean A350 and A320 rates are going to go higher, although an increasing number of A320 family travel by road now.


A320 going to 63 monthly has already been announced.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 63-455775/
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:36 pm

The number of units permitted is based on the original US approval granted to Aero Spacelines.

By capping at 5 units, the FAA set a precedent, which the EU followed for the Beluga.

No reason why the EA cannot set a new number like 6, or 10, or even removing the capping.

Perhaps Airbus see some commercial opportunities for sales, and are planning to obtain a CoA.

Or the more onerous documentation and reporting environment operating a quasi-commercial operation as experimental, cost justifies making the model 'mainstream'.
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:49 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
And trying to sell the original A300-based frames.

Interesting. Who might buy them?
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:04 pm

N14AZ wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
And trying to sell the original A300-based frames.

Interesting. Who might buy them?


As per the article, specialist cargo operators such as Cargolux and Russian outsize-freight carrier Volga-Dnepr Group.
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:25 pm

SQ22 wrote:
pugman211 wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:



Thanks, interesting that Airbus is going to add a 6th XL, surely that can only mean A350 and A320 rates are going to go higher, although an increasing number of A320 family travel by road now.


A320 going to 63 monthly has already been announced.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 63-455775/



Thanks for the link. I was referring to A320 going higher than 63. I've head of rumours of more, but till engine deliveries stabilise I don't think it will happen just yet.
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:35 am

Finn350 wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
And trying to sell the original A300-based frames.

Interesting. Who might buy them?


As per the article, specialist cargo operators such as Cargolux and Russian outsize-freight carrier Volga-Dnepr Group.

Ooops, caught in the act for not reading the article properly before posting... :shy:

I cannot imagine that one single operator will take over five units. We shall see...
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:46 am

The second Beluga XL is online on FR24 now:
https://www.flightradar24.com/BGA1853/
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:10 am

This page has a good test Flight history for the Beluga XL - https://aibfamily.flights/beluga/1824
 
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Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:01 pm

Another BelugaXL (capable of transporting 2 x A350 wings) rolls out:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... xl-456781/
 
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:42 pm

smartplane wrote:
The number of units permitted is based on the original US approval granted to Aero Spacelines.

By capping at 5 units, the FAA set a precedent, which the EU followed for the Beluga.

No reason why the EA cannot set a new number like 6, or 10, or even removing the capping.

Perhaps Airbus see some commercial opportunities for sales, and are planning to obtain a CoA.

Or the more onerous documentation and reporting environment operating a quasi-commercial operation as experimental, cost justifies making the model 'mainstream'.


This cap of 5 units, was it the absolute limit for the operation of this class of transport? Or (in theory) can they make a few cosmetic changes, call it a brand new type and add 5 more, sort of getting around the limit for a specific model? The limit didn't quite make sense to me in that regard.

Also, can anyone confirm if the current Beluga uses a 3 man cockpit with a flight engineer? Tried to find pictures but they seem to be quite elusive. :grumpy:
 
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:59 pm

Erebus wrote:
smartplane wrote:
The number of units permitted is based on the original US approval granted to Aero Spacelines.

By capping at 5 units, the FAA set a precedent, which the EU followed for the Beluga.

No reason why the EA cannot set a new number like 6, or 10, or even removing the capping.

Perhaps Airbus see some commercial opportunities for sales, and are planning to obtain a CoA.

Or the more onerous documentation and reporting environment operating a quasi-commercial operation as experimental, cost justifies making the model 'mainstream'.


This cap of 5 units, was it the absolute limit for the operation of this class of transport? Or (in theory) can they make a few cosmetic changes, call it a brand new type and add 5 more, sort of getting around the limit for a specific model? The limit didn't quite make sense to me in that regard.

Also, can anyone confirm if the current Beluga uses a 3 man cockpit with a flight engineer? Tried to find pictures but they seem to be quite elusive. :grumpy:


The 5 unit cap is already gone, at least at EASA. Airbus already plans to do 6.
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:02 pm

Also the cockpit is from the A330. It will be a two man cockpit
 
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Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:19 pm

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Also the cockpit is from the A330. It will be a two man cockpit



But also has a load master. However I'm not sure if that role is replacing the flight engineer. I'm also sure I saw a flight global article stating that the B-XL had an area for additional crew seats? Can't seem to find the link though.
 
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:35 pm

But is the load master a travelling role - or an assigned role at each site?
 
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:00 pm

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Also, can anyone confirm if the current Beluga uses a 3 man cockpit with a flight engineer? Tried to find pictures but they seem to be quite elusive. :grumpy:


I could imagine something like a loadmaster.
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