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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:15 am

 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:47 am

olle wrote:
As i understand from the ft article Neo performes better then expected. When can we expect real numbers?

If 330 neo get within 1-2% of the 787 what will be the effect of the sales of 787 vs 330?


Those numbers we will only get if an airline uses the 787 and A330neo side by side.

An other point is, if the A330neo is performing better than expected, the range where a A330ceo comes out better should decrease, possible down to zero.
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:50 am

mjoelnir wrote:
olle wrote:
As i understand from the ft article Neo performes better then expected. When can we expect real numbers?

If 330 neo get within 1-2% of the 787 what will be the effect of the sales of 787 vs 330?


Those numbers we will only get if an airline uses the 787 and A330neo side by side.

An other point is, if the A330neo is performing better than expected, the range where a A330ceo comes out better should decrease, possible down to zero.



That final point would be great news for the programme.
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:53 am

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How about a A330NEO-1000?? For regional routes up to 8 hours. Would have great CASM and compete with the 787-10.

Do so and you will start to cannibalize the 359. The 339 already competes partly with the 78X, so why would Airbus do something stupid that will eat into their flagship's pie.


I would assume that Airbus is not very afraid of the A330neo cannibalizing the A350. The A350 has a sizable backlog, that has to depress orders. Getting A330neo orders are extra business.
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:03 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
I would assume that Airbus is not very afraid of the A330neo cannibalizing the A350. The A350 has a sizable backlog, that has to depress orders. Getting A330neo orders are extra business.

:checkmark: A330NEO-1000 would be perfect aircraft for high volume <4000nmi tasks. A350* has other jobs to do.
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:09 pm

A capable freighter / MRTT could come out of the A330-800 basic MTOW / Range specifications.

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Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:04 pm

Another angle of the TAP A330neo:

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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:09 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
jeffrey0032j wrote:
windian425 wrote:
How about a A330NEO-1000?? For regional routes up to 8 hours. Would have great CASM and compete with the 787-10.

Do so and you will start to cannibalize the 359. The 339 already competes partly with the 78X, so why would Airbus do something stupid that will eat into their flagship's pie.


I would assume that Airbus is not very afraid of the A330neo cannibalizing the A350. The A350 has a sizable backlog, that has to depress orders. Getting A330neo orders are extra business.

Given that airbus was worrying about effect of a larger ATR on its A320 family, I would assume they are more broadly concerned by competition between their own products
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:26 pm

c933103 wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
jeffrey0032j wrote:
Do so and you will start to cannibalize the 359. The 339 already competes partly with the 78X, so why would Airbus do something stupid that will eat into their flagship's pie.


I would assume that Airbus is not very afraid of the A330neo cannibalizing the A350. The A350 has a sizable backlog, that has to depress orders. Getting A330neo orders are extra business.

Given that airbus was worrying about effect of a larger ATR on its A320 family, I would assume they are more broadly concerned by competition between their own products


I thought it was the business case for a larger ATR rather than any influence on the A320 family. A 100 seat ATR does really not compete even with an A319.
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:38 pm

Excited to see the first TP bird in the air! It looks great!
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:37 am

Two questions :

- How long it takes for airbus to deliver an A330Neo once the order is signed with the client airline?

- As far as I understand the A330Neo is using the same production line as the A330CEO. What are the available slots for A330-800/900 for 2018-2019 ?

Many thanks,
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:12 am

Any A330NEO and A350 comparison pics available yet?
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:14 am

notaxonrotax wrote:
Any A330NEO and A350 comparison pics available yet?
I think I will confuse the 2 racoons like this.

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When you know what to look for, it is incredibly easy to tell the two apart. Probably the easiest is the shape of the nose.
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:02 pm

The test frames seem to be piling up the hours and flying very regularly. We have heard from Mr Air Asia (Tony Fernandes?) that performance is beating spec but has there been any progress update from Airbus?
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:38 pm

A380MSN004 wrote:
Two questions :

- How long it takes for airbus to deliver an A330Neo once the order is signed with the client airline?

- As far as I understand the A330Neo is using the same production line as the A330CEO. What are the available slots for A330-800/900 for 2018-2019 ?

Many thanks,


Not much publicly available information but there are probably delivery slots available, via lessors, for late 2019. It is the same production line and the overall rate is meant to be 6 per month.

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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:39 am

Two A330-800 production slots have been assigned to Hawaiian Airlines: MSN 1960 and MSN 1968.
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:52 am

And MSN 1915 is an A330-900 assigned to Delta Air Lines.
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:19 am

Fantastic news!

KarelXWB wrote:
Two A330-800 production slots have been assigned to Hawaiian Airlines: MSN 1960 and MSN 1968.
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:43 am

KarelXWB wrote:
Two A330-800 production slots have been assigned to Hawaiian Airlines: MSN 1960 and MSN 1968.


Source?
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:48 am

These are listed in the AeroTransport Data Bank. You'll need a subscription to access.
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:53 am

KarelXWB wrote:
And MSN 1915 is an A330-900 assigned to Delta Air Lines.


But it appears Delta won't take delivery of its first 339 until 2020. I wonder if Airbus or Delta initiated the slight deferment in 339 deliveries.
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:55 am

ehaase wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
And MSN 1915 is an A330-900 assigned to Delta Air Lines.


But it appears Delta won't take delivery of its first 339 until 2020. I wonder if Airbus or Delta initiated the slight deferment in 339 deliveries.


Based on current production rates MSN 1915 won't enter assembly until mid-2019, so delivery in early 2020 makes sense.

Also, projected delivery schedules may show some slack. For example, Delta's 6th A350 was due in early 2018 but got delivered at the end of 2017.
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:14 pm

Better than expected performance is superb news for this aircraft. We should see more orders in the pipeline.... Glad to see Air Asia is thinking again.
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:30 pm

Test frame en route to Astana F-WTTN as AIB330
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:18 am

BOAC1966 wrote:
Test frame en route to Astana F-WTTN as AIB330


It's currently pretty cold in Astana, perhaps some cold weather tests will be carried out.
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:26 am

A330neo flight testing has reached some 410 hours in February, or about 37% of the entire campaign. An aggressive flight schedule with just 2 aircraft, and soon MSN 1819 and MSN 1888 will join the test fleet.
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:07 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
A330neo flight testing has reached some 410 hours in February, or about 37% of the entire campaign. An aggressive flight schedule with just 2 aircraft, and soon MSN 1813 and MSN 1888 will join the test fleet.


Great new. Does perfos flights are confirming the promoted performances in terms of fuel effiency?
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:35 pm

A380MSN004 wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
A330neo flight testing has reached some 410 hours in February, or about 37% of the entire campaign. An aggressive flight schedule with just 2 aircraft, and soon MSN 1813 and MSN 1888 will join the test fleet.


Great new. Does perfos flights are confirming the promoted performances in terms of fuel effiency?


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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:38 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
A330neo flight testing has reached some 410 hours in February, or about 37% of the entire campaign. An aggressive flight schedule with just 2 aircraft, and soon MSN 1813 and MSN 1888 will join the test fleet.


I thought MSN 1813 is part of the current test fleet. Do you mean MSN 1819 and MSN 1888?
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:42 pm

Yes indeed, that should be MSN 1819.
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:46 pm

Speaking of which, MSN 1819 has been painted too: https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/969202667942764547
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:55 pm

Nice video here of the airplane being painted.
http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/news/en/ ... ortug.html
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:06 pm

Just read this article
which talks about "...wider seats and aisles...". Has the side wall lining be re-sculptured as it has been done on B777-8/-9?
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:11 pm

kmz wrote:
Just read this article
which talks about "...wider seats and aisles...". Has the side wall lining be re-sculptured as it has been done on B777-8/-9?

The Airspace hyperlink in that paragraph links to an article that says still 18” in Y. The “wider seats and aisles” statement may be relative to the 787, not the old A330 cabin.
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:30 pm

Slightly OT but according to this Leeham article the neon will have an 8 bed underfloor care rest rather than the 2 bed behind the cockpit and a 6 bed underfloor. IIRC the 6 bed underfloor ld36 was the size of 2 ld3s. So this new crew rest will take up more than 2 ld3?? So the new could lose ?4 ld3 positions if you opt for this crew rest?

https://leehamnews.com/2014/09/06/final ... days-a330/
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:37 pm

Looks like HA has confirmed that they cancelled their A330-800 order on February 27th. The A338 order book now stands at 0.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... or-446506/
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:41 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
Looks like HA has confirmed that they cancelled their A330-800 order on February 27th. The A338 order book now stands at 0.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... or-446506/


You are fast.....
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:46 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Two A330-800 production slots have been assigned to Hawaiian Airlines: MSN 1960 and MSN 1968.


I know these were assigned before but what’s happening now Hawaiian has cancelled A338 and leaving a 0 order book. Will they cancel the MSN or push on regardless and hope for some orders which I’m aware will come when the A332s age a bit.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... or-446506/
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:00 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Two A330-800 production slots have been assigned to Hawaiian Airlines: MSN 1960 and MSN 1968.

Given the timing of the assignment, vis a vis disclosed HA cancellation, and Airbus pre-knowledge, confident Airbus will be extracting penalties from the customer. Assignment wasn't done for show.
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:10 pm

Dilemma now for Airbus. Do they show their hand, re-pricing A338 removing previous high margin pricing? Do they offer 'banked' performance enhancements? If they do, what impact on existing A339 orders? Will they mirror re-price and offer comparable 'banked ' enhancements on the A339? What about the flow on impact to the A350 family where margins are lower (volumes and knowledge still building), and enhancements are still under development?
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:10 pm

What are the odds of more A21Ns now for HA (once the engine issues are sorted out)? I could see this as having leased A330s being returned with all A321s to the West Coast and around the Pacific islands, and wide bodies to Asia, Australasia, and JFK and possibly LGW.
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:24 pm

Planesmart wrote:
Dilemma now for Airbus. Do they show their hand, re-pricing A338 removing previous high margin pricing? Do they offer 'banked' performance enhancements? If they do, what impact on existing A339 orders? Will they mirror re-price and offer comparable 'banked ' enhancements on the A339? What about the flow on impact to the A350 family where margins are lower (volumes and knowledge still building), and enhancements are still under development?


“Banked performance enhancements” generally aren’t lower fuel burn but rather more range or payload. But the A330neo doesn’t need more performance, that isn’t really the issue.

I also don’t see any reason to believe there is huge margin built in. The list price gap from CEO to NEO is basically consistent with the gap in engine cost and production rate has fallen from previous highs.
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:25 pm

Airbus fights to defend A330 as order decisions loom

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-airbu ... KKCN1GI289
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:05 pm

Well, HA disloyalty to their previously-selected wide body aircraft vendor, Airbus, means Toulouse will work extra-hard to ensure the A330-800neo launch customer is secured quickly. Who will sign up for the A330-800neo? Several candidates have been identified, with AR and SA as potential clients. IAG's LEVEL brand is also searching for the right wide body to expand its business and the A330-800neo could be the right aircraft for its LCC operations.

AR is selecting its new wide body this year. AR could use the A330-800neo to profitably service its previously-operated long-haul markets, including EZE-LAX, EZE-CDG, and even EZE-SYD. AR could order both the A338 and A339.
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:10 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
bgm wrote:
marcelh wrote:

You are fast.....


Yeah, he's posted it in no less than 3 different threads... seems he is quite excited by the news.


Or I'm browsing the website and I see information that I'm able to share across the different topics. Is there a problem with that? Don't understand what your beef is with me.

Calm down. A Boeing enthusiast is spreading the news in various threads that HA has finally dropped their A338 order. And now you are upset because someone is reacting because of all those identical posts. Really?? You know that you are stirring the pot, so don't be surprised someone is stepping on your toes.
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:20 pm

Airbus should drop the A338 -- too big and heavy for a 250 passenger aircraft. Instead put the resources into a stretched and upgraded A321. The A339 will be OK for many carriers...less expensive than a 789, albeit less range or payload.

Like the 788, the A338 is in no-man's-land for wide-bodies...the world is going to narrow-bodies (sadly) for many 200+ passenger routes. Yes this makes room for a Boeing NMA...but the A330 platform won't be around in ten or fifteen years anyhow.
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:43 pm

marcelh wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
bgm wrote:

Yeah, he's posted it in no less than 3 different threads... seems he is quite excited by the news.


Or I'm browsing the website and I see information that I'm able to share across the different topics. Is there a problem with that? Don't understand what your beef is with me.

Calm down. A Boeing enthusiast is spreading the news in various threads that HA has finally dropped their A338 order. And now you are upset because someone is reacting because of all those identical posts. Really?? You know that you are stirring the pot, so don't be surprised someone is stepping on your toes.
Have a nice day :mrgreen:


He wouldn’t be whining about it if it was anyone else. This guy has been on me for a few days now absolutely no good reason.
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:54 pm

marcelh wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
bgm wrote:

Yeah, he's posted it in no less than 3 different threads... seems he is quite excited by the news.


Or I'm browsing the website and I see information that I'm able to share across the different topics. Is there a problem with that? Don't understand what your beef is with me.

Calm down. A Boeing enthusiast is spreading the news in various threads that HA has finally dropped their A338 order. And now you are upset because someone is reacting because of all those identical posts. Really?? You know that you are stirring the pot, so don't be surprised someone is stepping on your toes.
Have a nice day :mrgreen:


Well, I'm a Boeing enthusiast, but I also like the Airbus A330neo (both versions).
So I was not as much as excited as ikolkyo is, because I knew that HA would always prefer an Airbus A330neo (or A350XWB) to replace their A330s. But, in this case, I'd say "fuhgeddaboudit" (forget about it). Anyways, thank you ikolkyo for your courageous job of spreading those news about HA's A330-800neo cancellation.
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:01 am

Planesmart wrote:
Dilemma now for Airbus. Do they show their hand, re-pricing A338 removing previous high margin pricing? Do they offer 'banked' performance enhancements? If they do, what impact on existing A339 orders? Will they mirror re-price and offer comparable 'banked ' enhancements on the A339? What about the flow on impact to the A350 family where margins are lower (volumes and knowledge still building), and enhancements are still under development?


I see a 251t A339 as a certainty now to make up for the A338. That would be the limit though to protect the A359.
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:03 am

O530CarrisPT wrote:
marcelh wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:

Or I'm browsing the website and I see information that I'm able to share across the different topics. Is there a problem with that? Don't understand what your beef is with me.

Calm down. A Boeing enthusiast is spreading the news in various threads that HA has finally dropped their A338 order. And now you are upset because someone is reacting because of all those identical posts. Really?? You know that you are stirring the pot, so don't be surprised someone is stepping on your toes.
Have a nice day :mrgreen:


Well, I'm a Boeing enthusiast, but I also like the Airbus A330neo (both versions).
So I was not as much as excited as ikolkyo is, because I knew that HA would always prefer an Airbus A330neo (or A350XWB) to replace their A330s. But, in this case, I'd say "fuhgeddaboudit" (forget about it). Anyways, thank you ikolkyo for your courageous job of spreading those news about HA's A330-800neo cancellation.


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