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Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:17 pm

According to an article on Reuters yesterday, delivery of first A339 to TAP is imminent.
Has it been spotted at the delivery centre?

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Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:14 pm

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Is there a A330neo/ACJ on order ? If any for who ?

Technically, it's not an ACJ that was ordered...though the cynic in me thinks that KU's announcement for eight A338s was just a way to get out of their commitment for five A350s without penalty but entails taking the test airframe...hence my wild musing in #332. :flamed:

However...by their own admission, A330NEO deliveries are seriously impacted by production delays of its RR T7000 engines..... :arrow:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ta-453172/
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:55 pm

Asiaflyer wrote:
According to an article on Reuters yesterday, delivery of first A339 to TAP is imminent.
Has it been spotted at the delivery centre?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-airbu ... KKCN1N413K


Couldn't find anything yet but great news.
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FF is now scheduled for tomorrow 11/6. 10:30 CET:

https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/1059458758647123968
 
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Got to love those Airbus videos, that fog shot was pretty damn cool
 
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Looks amazing!
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Second A330-900neo for TAP, CS-TUB at the delivery center

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Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:52 am

qf789 wrote:
Second A330-900neo for TAP, CS-TUB at the delivery center

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https://twitter.com/CAlloing/status/1059725191910174720


Looks like delivery is forthcoming
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:02 am

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Fabulous :-)
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:05 pm

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Fabulous :-)

Hopefully, Airbus would release a video of the A338's first flight. :crossfingers: Here's a better clip of the run up to FF.....

http://video-eu.assetsadobe.com/airbus/ ... 15000k.mp4


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https://airbus-h.assetsadobe2.com/is/im ... =constrain


Infographic of A338's FF..... :bigthumbsup: .....

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https://airbus-h.assetsadobe2.com/is/im ... =constrain


Interestingly, Airbus' web page promo for the A338 lists it with a more realistic 7,500 nm range.....

https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/passeng ... 0-800.html


Obviously, the 8,150 nm max range applies to the 251T MTOW version.


https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... light.html

Quote:
"The A330-800’s certification development programme itself will last around 300 flight-test hours, paving the way for certification in 2019."
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:28 pm

Shrinks are usually less popular. But the A330-200 proved an exception. New upcoming ME & Asian airlines and markets helped it becoming popular over the last 20 years.

E.g. you could efficiently fit 250 seats 2 class, a lot of cargo and start flying into a new long haul destination 3-4 times a week.

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Things have changed now, the short 330 no longer has unique size/capability, the 787 has joined the fleets.

So you can wonder how many A330-800s will be sold.
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:48 pm

Devilfish wrote:
LewisNEO wrote:
Fabulous :-)

Hopefully, Airbus would release a video of the A338's first flight. :crossfingers: Here's a better clip of the run up to FF.....

http://video-eu.assetsadobe.com/airbus/ ... 15000k.mp4


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Infographic of A338's FF..... :bigthumbsup: .....

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https://airbus-h.assetsadobe2.com/is/im ... =constrain


Interestingly, Airbus' web page promo for the A338 lists it with a more realistic 7,500 nm range.....

https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/passeng ... 0-800.html


Obviously, the 8,150 nm max range applies to the 251T MTOW version.


https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... light.html

Quote:
"The A330-800’s certification development programme itself will last around 300 flight-test hours, paving the way for certification in 2019."


25% less fuel burn than a previous generation competitor? So basically they compared it to the 767?
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:51 pm

MileHFL400 wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
LewisNEO wrote:
Fabulous :-)

Hopefully, Airbus would release a video of the A338's first flight. :crossfingers: Here's a better clip of the run up to FF.....

http://video-eu.assetsadobe.com/airbus/ ... 15000k.mp4


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https://airbus-h.assetsadobe2.com/is/im ... =constrain


Infographic of A338's FF..... :bigthumbsup: .....

Image
https://airbus-h.assetsadobe2.com/is/im ... =constrain


Interestingly, Airbus' web page promo for the A338 lists it with a more realistic 7,500 nm range.....

https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/passeng ... 0-800.html


Obviously, the 8,150 nm max range applies to the 251T MTOW version.


https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... light.html

Quote:
"The A330-800’s certification development programme itself will last around 300 flight-test hours, paving the way for certification in 2019."


25% less fuel burn than a previous generation competitor? So basically they compared it to the 767?


Yep.
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:54 pm

I'm curious to know what Airbus did when the flight deck, in terms of updating it.
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:56 pm

Leehamnews has a tonne of fresh Airbus slides on the A330-800.

https://leehamnews.com/2018/11/06/airbus-a330-800-first-flight/
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:14 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
MileHFL400 wrote:
25% less fuel burn than a previous generation competitor? So basically they compared it to the 767?


Yep.


you've got to go with precedence.
Boeing at the time boasted 20% over current generation airliners for the 787... ( which contracted to the 767 ).
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Truly one of a kind.
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:42 pm

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I'm curious to know what Airbus did when the flight deck, in terms of updating it.

I'm not sure if there's much evident change from this photo.....

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https://airbus-h.assetsadobe2.com/is/im ... 1&qlt=85,0


So, 4 hours and 4 minutes total time for the first flight...that should allow a rather lengthy "redacted" video footage..... :airplane: .....

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https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... light.html

Quote:
“The A330-800 is an exceptionally versatile ‘route-opener’, offering unbeatable economics for airlines – encompassing everything from short to very-long haul widebody missions.

This performance, which is made possible thanks to the NEO’s 3D-optimised wing, fuel-efficient Trent 7000 engines and a new optional maximum take-off weight (MTOW) of 251 metric tonnes, unlocks up to 1,300nm more range versus the earlier A330-200 models and enables non-stop routes from South-East Asia to Europe and transpacific routes from South East Asia to the US West Coast."



Essentially, using MNL as a reference airport, GC Map generates this hypothetical route network.....

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MNL-ATH/CI ... /YVR&DU=nm




MileHFL400 wrote:
25% less fuel burn than a previous generation competitor? So basically they compared it to the 767?

:wink2: Airbus did one better and went right at the A338's main competitor..... :box: .....

Quote:
"Moreover, with its superior economics, range, cabin comfort and passenger experience versus the 787-8, the A330-800 is also best placed to replace ageing 767s in the near-term, and eventually the older A330-200s in service."



seahawk wrote:
Truly one of a kind.

Hmmn.....was that implying something? :scratchchin:
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:54 pm

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Leehamnews has a tonne of fresh Airbus slides on the A330-800.

https://leehamnews.com/2018/11/06/airbus-a330-800-first-flight/


I didn't know 9 abreast was possible on the a330neo
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:44 pm

With the correct door configuration (larger doors option - most are not) I understand all A330 models are certified to an evacuation limit of 440 seats.

At first glance, to me the only flight deck noticeable difference is the location of the APU fire panel.
 
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At first glance, to me the only flight deck noticeable difference is the location of the APU fire panel.

Clearer but very quick view of the cockpit in this video..... :cool2: .....

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/news-by ... all_ml_2-1
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:34 pm

The A338 is a lovely looking plane with those relatively huge engines.
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:39 pm

9 abreast with 17 inch seats? what does 787 have?
 
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9 abreast with 17 inch seats? what does 787 have?

The 787 has 17.2 inches with 2 inch armrests. The A330 can do 17 inches at 9 abreast with 1.5 inch armrests.
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:04 pm

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So, 4 hours and 4 minutes total time for the first flight...that should allow a rather lengthy "redacted" video footage...


Here we go:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/news/en ... -time.html
Video:
http://video-eu.assetsadobe.com/airbus/ ... -7500k.mp4?
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:20 pm

817Dreamliiner wrote:
olle wrote:
9 abreast with 17 inch seats? what does 787 have?

The 787 has 17.2 inches with 2 inch armrests. The A330 can do 17 inches at 9 abreast with 1.5 inch armrests.


I really do wonder by armrest isn’t shrunk on the 787. The A350 and other Airbus products have all been doing it.
 
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ikolkyo wrote:
817Dreamliiner wrote:
olle wrote:
9 abreast with 17 inch seats? what does 787 have?

The 787 has 17.2 inches with 2 inch armrests. The A330 can do 17 inches at 9 abreast with 1.5 inch armrests.


I really do wonder by armrest isn’t shrunk on the 787. The A350 and other Airbus products have all been doing it.

Probably because the idea of thinning armrests to increase seat width on a Boeing aircraft is frowned upon by the PaxEx experts. But that's for another discussion thread.
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That's the same video I tried to link in my post #376 above but somehow it defaulted to another... :confused: ...must be gremlins in the servers or at Airbus' newsroom..... :mischievous:


The caption on this Airbus photo release is odd...saying the A338's maiden flight took 14 hours & 35 minutes... :shock: ...

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That's a veritable long haul flight :!: .....wonder if Airbus would come up with a video of that..... :laughing:
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:19 am

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The caption on this Airbus photo release is odd...saying the A338's maiden flight took 14 hours & 35 minutes... :shock: ...

It landed at 14:35 CET, the flight wasn't 14:35 long.
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It landed at 14:35 CET, the flight wasn't 14:35 long.

I see Airbus has changed the caption below the said photo now. :smile:
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:37 pm

817Dreamliiner wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
817Dreamliiner wrote:
The 787 has 17.2 inches with 2 inch armrests. The A330 can do 17 inches at 9 abreast with 1.5 inch armrests.


I really do wonder by armrest isn’t shrunk on the 787. The A350 and other Airbus products have all been doing it.

Probably because the idea of thinning armrests to increase seat width on a Boeing aircraft is frowned upon by the PaxEx experts. But that's for another discussion thread.

I think 8-abreast 767's arm rest is probably thinner?
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:40 pm

c933103 wrote:
817Dreamliiner wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:

I really do wonder by armrest isn’t shrunk on the 787. The A350 and other Airbus products have all been doing it.

Probably because the idea of thinning armrests to increase seat width on a Boeing aircraft is frowned upon by the PaxEx experts. But that's for another discussion thread.

I think 8-abreast 767's arm rest is probably thinner?


I don't know, and I wonder if the armrest has a lot to do with it... It's also about the seat itself, how do they measure seat width anyway? Besides, people are getting taller nowadays and also heavier. So smaller seats will pose problems...

The TUIfly 767-300 ER has a seat width of only 16". Must be the narrowest in its class, flew once with them, never again. But an A330 neo with 9 abreast 17" would be an improvement, AirAsiaX has 9 abreast with around 16.5" ugh... :crowded: Does the cabin design of the A330neo provide more room for wider seats than the A330ceo?
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:42 pm

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Interesting to see how long it takes to certify, googling the A332 first flight was Aug 97 and EASA certification Mar 98 and first delivery April 98.

Just came across this regarding the A338 certification campaign and first delivery to KU..... :airplane: .....

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... st-453425/


Presumably, if another carrier orders the A338 and wants delivery soon after certification, Airbus can oblige by completing the initial airframes in advance :?:
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Presumably, if another carrier orders the A338 and wants delivery soon after certification, Airbus can oblige by completing the initial airframes in advance :?:


Probably not due to the lead time on parts for an aircraft and available near term production slots
 
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Presumably, if another carrier orders the A338 and wants delivery soon after certification, Airbus can oblige by completing the initial airframes in advance :?:

Someone83 wrote:
Probably not due to the lead time on parts for an aircraft and available near term production slots


If those parts are interchangeable with the A330-900, Airbus might have the FAL flexibility to swap models within the production list.
 
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Stitch wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
Presumably, if another carrier orders the A338 and wants delivery soon after certification, Airbus can oblige by completing the initial airframes in advance :?:

Someone83 wrote:
Probably not due to the lead time on parts for an aircraft and available near term production slots


If those parts are interchangeable with the A330-900, Airbus might have the FAL flexibility to swap models within the production list.


The time it would take to produce one shorter fuselage, I would say. I do not think there would be a big problem to adjust production speed slightly.
 
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mjoelnir wrote:
Stitch wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
Presumably, if another carrier orders the A338 and wants delivery soon after certification, Airbus can oblige by completing the initial airframes in advance :?:

Someone83 wrote:
Probably not due to the lead time on parts for an aircraft and available near term production slots


If those parts are interchangeable with the A330-900, Airbus might have the FAL flexibility to swap models within the production list.


The time it would take to produce one shorter fuselage, I would say. I do not think there would be a big problem to adjust production speed slightly.

Wouldn't the rate limiting factor be the ability to produce the taller tailfin?
 
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trex8 wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
Stitch wrote:


If those parts are interchangeable with the A330-900, Airbus might have the FAL flexibility to swap models within the production list.


The time it would take to produce one shorter fuselage, I would say. I do not think there would be a big problem to adjust production speed slightly.

Wouldn't the rate limiting factor be the ability to produce the taller tailfin?


I would expect Stade to turn out a tailfin in a few month, they do also the pressure bulkhead. The rear fuselage is done in XFW and the center and front fuselage in Saint-Nazaire.
The parts that are different on the -800 are all produced by Airbus itself. An in house matter to make a one off short one. And do not forget they are still doing the -200.

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Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:13 pm

Stitch wrote:
If those parts are interchangeable with the A330-900, Airbus might have the FAL flexibility to swap models within the production list.

mjoelnir wrote:
The time it would take to produce one shorter fuselage, I would say. I do not think there would be a big problem to adjust production speed slightly.

Should another airline order the A338, I don't expect it to be for a single airframe. Though given the recent reported misgivings by lessors about their big A339 commitments, it wouldn't be a surprise if Airbus suddenly finds early slots opening up.
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Wouldn't the rate limiting factor be the ability to produce the taller tailfin?


Current production rate is well below capabilities ( best times 10/m A330 left the FAL. currently ~40..50% down.)
No idea if tail fins are short term available as a spare ( i.e. stored ).

.. and mentioned above A332 are still produced that use the same parts.
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:13 pm

FAL production rate should not be a problem, parts availability could. There is little hindrance at Airbus to increase production, but the supply line has to get into gear. The question was how fast Airbus would be able to deliver if there would be an order. Even on an order of several frames, delivery would be stretched over some time. I think Airbus could do one or two quite fast and meanwhile let the supply line spin up.
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:37 am

I've read that TAP are now expecting to get their first A330neo delivered next month. Are any other airlines that were expecting to get theirs in Sep & Oct likely to receive theirs next month too?
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:41 am

AZUL is looking at a longer delay..... :arrow:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... me-453693/
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:27 am

What is holding up the TAP delivery? I’m a bit surprised it hasn’t happened yet, I figured Airbus would have at least 1 pair of good engines. I was expecting it to be around same time as A338 first flight.
 
PHLspecial
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:16 am

Devilfish wrote:
AZUL is looking at a longer delay..... :arrow:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... me-453693/


Ouch a whole year delay again? I guess the supply chain is really stressed at this point?
Also ETOPS is suppose to be approve soon right?
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