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Re: Aerolineas Argentinas mulls A340 replacement, to suspend Barcelona

Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:34 am

Kadish wrote:
If they leave BCN the cake will go to Level and eventually to Norwegian....so hard to think in a come back.


Exactly my thought. Norwegian entering the Argentinian market with a very agressive stance could damage AR big time if they abandon their Spanish routes by lack of suitable aircraft. Their government needs to help them get these planes (used or new) or AR's fragile health could suffer.
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Re: Aerolineas Argentinas mulls A340 replacement, to suspend Barcelona

Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:35 pm

seabosdca wrote:
I see this as a pretty fair contest between 787-9 and A350-900. The 787-9 seems ideal from a product perspective with its slightly smaller size, but the A350-900 will be easier to integrate into the fleet. For reasons stated above, the A330 in either neo or ceo form is not quite appropriate. For the small number of frames that are necessary in the short term, I expect there is availability from lessors for 2019 deliveries. More frames will come later, when there is more availability.


Like I said before, I'd rule out A350 due to engine type. Correct me if I'm wrong, guys, but I'd say a few frames with RR engines are not compensated by a closer crew commonality with A332. Which is a shame as I prefer Airbus. One can only hope with a split Boeing n/b, Airbus w/b fleet, but It sounds reasonable to see in 10 yeras a full Boeing fleet comprised of 737s and 789s.
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Re: Aerolineas Argentinas mulls A340 replacement, to suspend Barcelona

Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:58 pm

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Aren't their A332s basically new? Why are they being retired by 2021?


Only the four 238t/242t A332s are relatively new. The 233t A332s are to be returned to AerCap or Aircastle by 2021.

BTW, people are forgetting that all of LEVEL's A332s are 242t frames.
 
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Re: Aerolineas Argentinas mulls A340 replacement, to suspend Barcelona

Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:35 pm

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I would not be surprised that AR seriously looks at the 787-9. It's certainly got the range and just the right capacity to fly from EZE to most of Europe easily. They could consider the A350XWB-900, but that may be too much seating capacity for what the airline wants.


The B789 would also be good for a resumption to Australasia on its own metal, along with expanding to AMS or LHR, although AR needs to invest in power outlets for all its seats (there is currently no power at any seat).
 
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Re: Aerolineas Argentinas mulls A340 replacement, to suspend Barcelona

Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:59 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
RayChuang wrote:
I would not be surprised that AR seriously looks at the 787-9. It's certainly got the range and just the right capacity to fly from EZE to most of Europe easily. They could consider the A350XWB-900, but that may be too much seating capacity for what the airline wants.


The B789 would also be good for a resumption to Australasia on its own metal, along with expanding to AMS or LHR, although AR needs to invest in power outlets for all its seats (there is currently no power at any seat).


Partially wrong, Beginning with the new MAX 8, there is a power outlet at every seat. - USB in Y and USB+plug in outlets in C.
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Re: Aerolineas Argentinas mulls A340 replacement, to suspend Barcelona

Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:01 pm

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Like I said before, I'd rule out A350 due to engine type. Correct me if I'm wrong, guys, but I'd say a few frames with RR engines are not compensated by a closer crew commonality with A332. Which is a shame as I prefer Airbus. One can only hope with a split Boeing n/b, Airbus w/b fleet, but It sounds reasonable to see in 10 yeras a full Boeing fleet comprised of 737s and 789s.

Most airlines are doing power by the hour contracts with the engine manufacturers even on leases and do little maintenance in house these days. Flight crew commonality is more important for many airlines now than engine supplier.
 
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Re: Aerolineas Argentinas mulls A340 replacement, to suspend Barcelona

Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:02 pm

I could see them pulling a VN and ordering both 789's and 359's. The 789 is pretty much the same size as the A340-300, and is has the range, which the A330-900neo doesn't. The A350 would be the ideal plane for expansion. They put those on the busiest routes thus allowing the 789 to fly to even more destinations. Or if we're talking only one aircraft it's most likely the 787-9. It's the perfect A340 replacement and it also opens up replacement possibilities for the A330-200 (787-8) and for further expansion (787-10).
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Re: Aerolineas Argentinas mulls A340 replacement, to suspend Barcelona

Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:16 pm

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Its pretty soon, but (since you seem to know) does AR have any initial thoughts on the MAX 8? Are they looking at acquiring more MAXes?


Nothing official, but AR has been flying the 737 for 49 years now, so it knows how to make the best use of it. It is really impossible to not think about AR and the 737 together. Incidentally, the airline has announced it will start flying long haul with the MAX 8 on 5/1/18 between EZE and PUJ, an 8-hour long flight.

There are 14 MAX 8s on order, two delivered thus far, with 6 more arriving this year. AR is replacing most of the E190 fleet over the next two years and it has said it is looking at a 170 seater for its replacement. Clearly Boeing has the lead here, but heard that Airbus is not being shy on this one either. The plan would be to transfer to its subsidiary, Austral, part of the 737-800 fleet with AR ordering more MAXs - not necessarily all 8 though.

Here's a short clip, with the 3 pilots that brought AR's first MAX 8 from BFI to EZE at the end of November.

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Re: Aerolineas Argentinas mulls A340 replacement, to suspend Barcelona

Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:03 pm

trex8 wrote:
AtomicGarden wrote:

Like I said before, I'd rule out A350 due to engine type. Correct me if I'm wrong, guys, but I'd say a few frames with RR engines are not compensated by a closer crew commonality with A332. Which is a shame as I prefer Airbus. One can only hope with a split Boeing n/b, Airbus w/b fleet, but It sounds reasonable to see in 10 yeras a full Boeing fleet comprised of 737s and 789s.

Most airlines are doing power by the hour contracts with the engine manufacturers even on leases and do little maintenance in house these days. Flight crew commonality is more important for many airlines now than engine supplier.

Indeed. For WB, unless a Boeing Tier 1 customer or Airbus equivalent, engine purchase is an option, not a given.
 
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Re: Aerolineas Argentinas mulls A340 replacement, to suspend Barcelona

Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:07 pm

I'm surprised everyone is pushing the 789 so hard. If they have been A332 heavy before and the 777 is "too big" according to everyone, the 788 would seem to be a better fit. The 788 is, size wise, head-to-head with the A332. The 789 is much closer in capacity to the A343/333/B772. I think the range of the 788 is more than sufficient, and it gives them some protection of over capacity.
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Re: Aerolineas Argentinas mulls A340 replacement, to suspend Barcelona

Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:25 am

Planesmart wrote:
trex8 wrote:
AtomicGarden wrote:

Like I said before, I'd rule out A350 due to engine type. Correct me if I'm wrong, guys, but I'd say a few frames with RR engines are not compensated by a closer crew commonality with A332. Which is a shame as I prefer Airbus. One can only hope with a split Boeing n/b, Airbus w/b fleet, but It sounds reasonable to see in 10 yeras a full Boeing fleet comprised of 737s and 789s.

Most airlines are doing power by the hour contracts with the engine manufacturers even on leases and do little maintenance in house these days. Flight crew commonality is more important for many airlines now than engine supplier.

Indeed. For WB, unless a Boeing Tier 1 customer or Airbus equivalent, engine purchase is an option, not a given.


I'll be glad to be wrong, but unions are not gonna be happy about outsourcing maintenance, and they are more than capable of handling it. An sellers war would be helpful.

AA777223 wrote:
The 789 is much closer in capacity to the A343/333/B772. I think the range of the 788 is more than sufficient, and it gives them some protection of over capacity.


Demand is there, 789 can be filled up nicely. 788 reminds me too much of the A310 in terms of capacity.
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Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:09 am

More surprising than suggesting the B787-9, is the lack of posters supporting the A330neo option. Aren't the A330neos less expensive than their Dreamliner equivalents? Wouldn't an A330-800neo make sense for longer routes, LAX, FCO, etc., while the A330-900neo could do everything else? Would AR need to wait too long to receive their required frames? Are they focused on the Dreamliner's lower CASM?

Why wouldn't AR simply replace their wide body fleet with the A330neo?
 
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Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:16 am

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Demand is there, 789 can be filled up nicely. 788 reminds me too much of the A310 in terms of capacity.

Plus, the 788 vs 789 capacity debate is pretty much the same as 77L vs 77W, A338NEO vs A339NEO, etc. The slight increase in operating costs is more than offset by the ability to make fatter profits by filling the additional seats. Plus, in this case, the extra range of the 789 is another reason to go for the -9 instead of the -8.

I would add that even if today a 230-250 seat long-haul airplane (in two classes) seems more suitable than a 265-295 seat plane, AR would be wise to think ahead. The Argentine economy is improving at a nice pace, and there will be increased demand to/from EZE, so getting the 788 or the A338NEO when in the future those will be too small for their needs would be a strategic mistake.
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Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:29 am

dcajet wrote:
I would not discount the A330 NEO.


Nor would i. I'd have thought that the A338/339 would be perfect for their needs, especially if the 251t MTOW variant comes to fruition. It would maximize commonality with their existing long haul fleet, reduce CASK substantially on long haul routes and be much cheaper to finance than an A350/787 (especially if Airbus is willing to do a deal to try and sell more A338s).

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I'd like to add that 330neo and 350 should be out of the question as they have RR engines, meaning a 3rd engine manufacturer in a rather small (in total) fleet, or at least I believe so.

:redflag:

This makes no sense to me. There's as good as no commonality between the CF6 of an A330 and a GENX of a 787 and no airframe commonality whatsever between the two. Meanwhile the A330neo has a near identical airframe to the CEO (so no need to the airline to bear the cost of lots of type ratings for flightcrew) yet the lack of engine commonality is apparently a problem.

PDPsol wrote:
More surprising than suggesting the B787-9, is the lack of posters supporting the A330neo option. Aren't the A330neos less expensive than their Dreamliner equivalents? Wouldn't an A330-800neo make sense for longer routes, LAX, FCO, etc., while the A330-900neo could do everything else? Would AR need to wait too long to receive their required frames? Are they focused on the Dreamliner's lower CASM?

Why wouldn't AR simply replace their wide body fleet with the A330neo?

I agree - can't see any reason why the A330neo isn't a viable option. There certainly seems to be a bias towards the 787-9 from some members here.


Unrelated to long haul aircraft, but the 737-8MAX looks perfect in AR's livery.
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Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:49 am

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I agree - can't see any reason why the A330neo isn't a viable option. There certainly seems to be a bias towards the 787-9 from some members here.


AR would probably need the range of the A338 and only six of these have been ordered so far overall (and by just one customer). As has been extensively discussed here on A.net, it seems very unlikely that anyone would provide decent financing for such a niche plane with extremely limited resale potential. Concerning the A339, the 251t variant might allow EZE-MAD without relevant restrictions but probably not FCO, at least not providing any improvement compared to the current A332. Financing prospects for the A339 would be better than for the A338, but hardly as good as for the 789, which would probably eat into the higher discount Airbus could offer for the A339.

AR first needs to replace their remaining two A343 (FPU and FPV) in 2019, then the four PW-powered A332 early next decade (FNI, FNJ, FNK, FNL), then their two ex-BR A332 (GKO, GKP) and finally the four A332 they got directly from Airbus in 2015 and 2016 (FVH, FVI, GHQ, GIF). Whether they choose the 789 or the A359, these will probably be deployed on the European routes first as that’s where the most significant efficiency improvement can be achieved and where the A332 operate much closer to their limits. Then the four newer A332 currently operating to Europe would be cascaded down to JFK, MIA and CUN enabling replacement of the older A332. I would expect the four newest A332 to stay with AR well into the next decade, but not operating to European destinations. In this somehow simplified analysis the A359 would have the advantage of commonality with the current widebody fleet until completing its replacement while the 787-9 would probably be cheaper to buy/lease, easier to fill and offer the additional advantage of two engine options and the possibility to complement it with the smaller 787-8 if there is a business case for it.
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:24 am

zkojq wrote:
:redflag:

This makes no sense to me. There's as good as no commonality between the CF6 of an A330 and a GENX of a 787 and no airframe commonality whatsever between the two. Meanwhile the A330neo has a near identical airframe to the CEO (so no need to the airline to bear the cost of lots of type ratings for flightcrew) yet the lack of engine commonality is apparently a problem.


OK I get it already. I'm overestimating the problems of adding an engine manufacturer. However I still believe the 787-9 makes the best sense as it will fill every position in AR's network while adding much needed capacity and technology. 787-8 and A338 are too small, 359 and 777 are too big, A339 lacks the range for FCO (or so I understand) and hypothetical new routes like LON/PAR/LAX.

The only downsize on chosing 787-9 is availability, apparently.

One thing to consider: AFAIK (as per the CEO words) cargo business is not a piority nor giving good results as it is. So planes might take off with virtually empty bellies save for luggage.
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AR - early retirement for the A340?

Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:40 pm

According to a schedule update filed yesterday, AR is scheduled to fly the A340-300X only until June 2nd, with a MAD-EZE rotation currently being the last scheduled operation of the type @ AR.

The airline had planned to retain 2 A340s until 2019 (LV-FPU & V) with two others (LV-CSD & F) leaving the fleet in March, but it appears now retirement may be coming to the A340 fleet earlier than previously thought. Sources from the airline say the extension of the leases for PU & PV has not been signed yet.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-15jan18/
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Re: AR - early retirement for the A340?

Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:08 am

Well wasn’t there another thread about them looking for an A333 or two? This would be consistent with the early retirement.
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:41 am

Motorhussy wrote:
Well wasn’t there another thread about them looking for an A333 or two? This would be consistent with the early retirement.


That would have been Avianca, who just got hold of 2 ex TransAsia A333. Never heard of AR looking for the 300. I know they were looking for one or two more A332 but nothing to talk about, thus far. AR also needs IGW for Rome and tech crew rest area equipped frames for all hops to Eurrope.
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Re: AR - early retirement for the A340?

Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:12 am

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AR also needs IGW for Rome and tech crew rest area equipped frames for all hops to Eurrope.


IGW perhaps. But is the lack of a crew rest going to be a deal breaker?

Many airlines that have been unable to source aircraft with a crew-rest area have renegotiated with their unions and made do by blocking off some Business/First class seats as crew rest.
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:52 am

BawliBooch wrote:
dcajet wrote:
AR also needs IGW for Rome and tech crew rest area equipped frames for all hops to Eurrope.


IGW perhaps. But is the lack of a crew rest going to be a deal breaker?

Many airlines that have been unable to source aircraft with a crew-rest area have renegotiated with their unions and made do by blocking off some Business/First class seats as crew rest.


Under current Argentinian regulations, for flights such as EZE-FCO, EZE-BCN or EZE-MAD, blocked business class seats won't cut it. A dedicated. lie-flat bunks equipped crew rest is needed. EZE-JFK (10 hrs.) is the max pilots can legally rest on a business class seat.
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Re: AR - early retirement for the A340?

Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:27 am

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The airline had planned to retain 2 A340s until 2019 (LV-FPU & V) with two others (LV-CSD & F) leaving the fleet in March, but it appears now retirement may be coming to the A340 fleet earlier than previously thought. Sources from the airline say the extension of the leases for PU & PV has not been signed yet.


Is there any information as to when exactly CSD and CSF will leave the fleet? March can be 1. or 31.... :duck:
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Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:44 pm

The last BCN flight, carrying 280 paxs and operated by LV-FPU, left EZE last evening to this message at the boarding gate:

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Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:52 pm

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The last BCN flight, carrying 280 paxs and operated by LV-FPU, left EZE last evening to this message at the boarding gate:

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Level must be clapping,dancing,drinking...celebrating this decision.
 
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Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:19 pm

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Level must be clapping,dancing,drinking...celebrating this decision.


Short lived celebration. Norwegian will join them on the route in a few months.
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Re: Aerolineas Argentinas mulls A340 replacement, to suspend Barcelona

Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:58 pm

dcajet wrote:
Kadish wrote:

Level must be clapping,dancing,drinking...celebrating this decision.


Short lived celebration. Norwegian will join them on the route in a few months.


Indeed, but in the meantime the cake wont be shared.
 
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Re: Aerolineas Argentinas mulls A340 replacement, to suspend Barcelona

Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:49 am

In a related news, there'll be a reduction in frequencies to CUN from 5x to 4x, due to "network optimization". I think it could lead to a second daily MAD flight or at least a few more weekly flights.
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Re: AR - early retirement for the A340?

Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:23 am

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According to a schedule update filed yesterday, AR is scheduled to fly the A340-300X only until June 2nd, with a MAD-EZE rotation currently being the last scheduled operation of the type @ AR.

The airline had planned to retain 2 A340s until 2019 (LV-FPU & V) with two others (LV-CSD & F) leaving the fleet in March, but it appears now retirement may be coming to the A340 fleet earlier than previously thought. Sources from the airline say the extension of the leases for PU & PV has not been signed yet.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-15jan18/


With the latest schedule filed, AR is confirming that the two remaining A343X will continue to be operated beyond June 2nd. The new schedule has them operating exclusively to MAD, station that will see an increase in flights to compensate for the suspension of BCN.

Aerolineas Argentinas in Northern summer 2018 season is expanding service to Madrid, with additional flights added for Buenos Aires Ezeiza – Madrid route. From 02JUN18, overall service will increase from 7 to 10 weekly, including aircraft changes.

Existing daily AR1132/1133 service will be operated by a mix of A330/A340, while the new AR1134/1135 served by A330. With this new adjustment, the airline will continue to operate A340 aircraft service, solely on this route. The airline previously listed A340 operation until 01JUN18 inclusive.

AR1134 EZE1210 – 0525+1MAD 330 246
AR1132 EZE2355 – 1710+1MAD EQV D

AR1135 MAD1250 – 2100EZE 330 357
AR1133 MAD2010 – 0420+1EZE EQV D


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... june-2018/
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Re: Aerolineas Argentinas mulls A340 replacement, to suspend Barcelona

Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:59 pm

Obviously LV-CSD had been taken out of storage and will enter service soon again!

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... d#109e70d3
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:05 pm

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Obviously LV-CSD had been taken out of storage and will enter service soon again!

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... d#109e70d3


Actually, that was a proving flight with the lessor on board to check the aircraft before its return to the lessor. The aircraft will be then flown to, not the desert, but to the Tarbes–Lourdes–Pyrénées Airport in France. The date of the return flight has not been confirmed yet.
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Re: Aerolineas Argentinas mulls A340 replacement, to suspend Barcelona

Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:47 pm

I wouldn't have posted it, if for LV-CSD there were not flights AR1132/1133 on March 8/9 in the forecast of FR24...
But soon we will see...
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:29 pm

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I wouldn't have posted it, if for LV-CSD there were not flights AR1132/1133 on March 8/9 in the forecast of FR24...
But soon we will see...


Gotcha. I know nothing about CSD re entering commercial service. All I can tell you is that this past Monday this proving/test flight took place with the lessor on board. 127 minutes from EZE to MDQ and the Atlantic Ocean. All OK, no news from the flight. CSD was scheduled to leave EZE for Tarbes tomorrow (8/3). There is now a dispute between the airline and the lessor and that date is no longer current while the two parties sort their differences. No news about when CSD will be leaving Argentina. The aircraft has been out of service since December.
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Re: Aerolineas Argentinas mulls A340 replacement, to suspend Barcelona

Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:31 am

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More surprising than suggesting the B787-9, is the lack of posters supporting the A330neo option. Aren't the A330neos less expensive than their Dreamliner equivalents? Wouldn't an A330-800neo make sense for longer routes, LAX, FCO, etc., while the A330-900neo could do everything else? Would AR need to wait too long to receive their required frames? Are they focused on the Dreamliner's lower CASM?

Why wouldn't AR simply replace their wide body fleet with the A330neo?


The problem would be getting financing for the A330-800neo. Since your post, the only remaining order for the model was canceled. With BCN a base for Norwegian, AR needs to acquire suitable aircraft to resume the route. They really should have been all over the Avianca Brasil NTU frames. Do any lessors have an order book remaining for A330-200s at 242t?
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:53 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
PDPsol wrote:
More surprising than suggesting the B787-9, is the lack of posters supporting the A330neo option. Aren't the A330neos less expensive than their Dreamliner equivalents? Wouldn't an A330-800neo make sense for longer routes, LAX, FCO, etc., while the A330-900neo could do everything else? Would AR need to wait too long to receive their required frames? Are they focused on the Dreamliner's lower CASM?

Why wouldn't AR simply replace their wide body fleet with the A330neo?


The problem would be getting financing for the A330-800neo. Since your post, the only remaining order for the model was canceled. With BCN a base for Norwegian, AR needs to acquire suitable aircraft to resume the route. They really should have been all over the Avianca Brasil NTU frames. Do any lessors have an order book remaining for A330-200s at 242t?


Well, unknown how many A330-200 orders from lessors remain pending, but getting acquisition financing for the A330-800 should not be an issue for AR as they are likely to hold the frames in-fleet. Airbus wants a liquid market for the A330neo and any orders for the A330-800 will go a long way to creating sales momentum for the model, so other carriers also place orders and finally offer real competition.

More A330-200s for AR is simply 'not enough'. AR would benefit greatly from the A330-900 operating bread-and-butter routes like MIA, JFK, and MAD from EZE, with greater capacity (and materially lower operating costs per seat) compared to the A330-200. Adding the A330-800 to the mix would offer even greater flexibility for longer, smaller markets like FCO, and re-starting abandoned longer markets like LAX, CDG, and even SYD! The A330neo could be a fabulous game-changer for AR!

BTW, similar to AR, one could see SA ordering the A330neo to replace its entire wide body fleet as well! They could operate JFK, IAD non-stop with the A330-800.
 
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Re: Aerolineas Argentinas mulls A340 replacement, to suspend Barcelona

Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:44 am

I think I've read here that the B787-9's CASM is low enough for LCC's to operate them profitably. I know AR is not a LCC, but given that the B787 has been quite a huge success in South America because of this lower CASM, I wonder how low is it compared to that of the A330neo. That might be something to consider as well.
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Re: Aerolineas Argentinas mulls A340 replacement, to suspend Barcelona

Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:19 pm

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I wouldn't have posted it, if for LV-CSD there were not flights AR1132/1133 on March 8/9 in the forecast of FR24...
But soon we will see...


FR24 glitch. LV-CSD is awaiting its return to the lessor. In fact, its cabin has already been stripped of items that are not the property of the lessor. It is no longer available for commercial service with AR.
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