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AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:21 pm

Thought this was interesting, I noticed that Alaska is using non-branded SkyWest CRJ-200s on a couple of their routes (like BOI-SEA). Is this mitigation for the QX pilot shortage?
 
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:53 pm

Whatever it takes to keep flying. Horizons cancellations have really hurt the brand in the smaller markets in the Pacific Northwest. I can’t think of a better gift to Southwest in Boise.
 
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:44 pm

Not..... Good, esp. under AS.
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:17 pm

They keep unbranded planes as spares and backup. That way the plane can be used for multiple airlines if needed.
 
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:22 pm

This has been going on intermittently for at least a year.
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:24 pm

TVNWZ wrote:
They keep unbranded planes as spares and backup. That way the plane can be used for multiple airlines if needed.


They're not really spares and backups. They're regularly using the OO branded CR2's out in the midwest between DL and UA flying.
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:41 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
Whatever it takes to keep flying. Horizons cancellations have really hurt the brand in the smaller markets in the Pacific Northwest. I can’t think of a better gift to Southwest in Boise.


They’ve definitely been strengthening their positions in BOI and GEG
 
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:55 pm

ericm2031 wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
Whatever it takes to keep flying. Horizons cancellations have really hurt the brand in the smaller markets in the Pacific Northwest. I can’t think of a better gift to Southwest in Boise.


They’ve definitely been strengthening their positions in BOI and GEG


If you are referring specifically to serving SEA, WN discontinued service between SEA and BOI/GEG years ago. But maybe it benefitted WN in other markets. As for SEA, DL was probably the benefiary of the QX's pilot issues.

OO still flies the CRJ-200's around the AS system. But it seems like OO has discontinued the CRJ-700 service. At least, I haven't seen them in quite some time. OO had at least one CRJ-700 in OO colors flying around in the PNW for a while.
 
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:00 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
Whatever it takes to keep flying. Horizons cancellations have really hurt the brand in the smaller markets in the Pacific Northwest. I can’t think of a better gift to Southwest in Boise.


They’ve definitely been strengthening their positions in BOI and GEG


If you are referring specifically to serving SEA, WN discontinued service between SEA and BOI/GEG years ago. But maybe it benefitted WN in other markets. As for SEA, DL was probably the benefiary of the QX's pilot issues.

OO still flies the CRJ-200's around the AS system. But it seems like OO has discontinued the CRJ-700 service. At least, I haven't seen them in quite some time. OO had at least one CRJ-700 in OO colors flying around in the PNW for a while.


Horizon and Southwest compete on a number of routes from Spokane and Boise. The flight cancellations have hurt their reputation while simultaneously Southwest is expanding.

DL is also benefiting in SEA.
 
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:12 pm

This has occurred as long as AS has been contracting OO. In Summer 2015 one daily SEA-FAT was operated by the CR2.
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:22 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:

They’ve definitely been strengthening their positions in BOI and GEG


If you are referring specifically to serving SEA, WN discontinued service between SEA and BOI/GEG years ago. But maybe it benefitted WN in other markets. As for SEA, DL was probably the benefiary of the QX's pilot issues.

OO still flies the CRJ-200's around the AS system. But it seems like OO has discontinued the CRJ-700 service. At least, I haven't seen them in quite some time. OO had at least one CRJ-700 in OO colors flying around in the PNW for a while.


Horizon and Southwest compete on a number of routes from Spokane and Boise. The flight cancellations have hurt their reputation while simultaneously Southwest is expanding.

DL is also benefiting in SEA.


QX is finally starting to stabilize. Perhaps pax will come back. I call myself pretty lucky that all of my QX flights have gone off without a hitch. Believe or not, I flew on my first CRJ-200 recently, and I was pretty underwhelmed. Most of my RJ flying had been on ERJ's (140's and 145's) and CRJ-700's.
 
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:20 pm

People again looking for any excuse to claim AS is going down the tubes...
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:28 pm

I dropped a family member off at FAT the other day and noticed one at one of the AS gates.
 
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:55 pm

A 700 was used the other day.. what do you expect? AS to pay for paint on a aircraft that will not be flying (hopefully) soon.. i agree brand is everything.. and generic OO painted planes are saving cancellations. Then so be it.
 
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:08 am

OO has been operating 2 AS branded CR7 for a while now. They use them up to 4 trips a day PDX-SEA, but also PDX-xxx. I just flew on one in December.
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:12 am

I'd say that things are looking better for QX heading into the new year. New E-175 deliveries start back up in March I believe.
 
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:28 am

My business associates in places like Wenatchee and Yakima are increasingly choosing to drive to Seattle to begin their trip rather than risk a Horizon flight. I would be interested to see 2017 stats to see if this anecdotal information is representative of a trend.
 
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:36 am

amcnd wrote:
A 700 was used the other day.. what do you expect? AS to pay for paint on a aircraft that will not be flying (hopefully) soon.. i agree brand is everything.. and generic OO painted planes are saving cancellations. Then so be it.


Generic OO planes have been part of many (most?) OO operations for as long as I can remember. I’m not sure why anyone is surprised or concerned. That’s even more true here given the (hopefully) short term nature of the contract here.
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:02 am

alexrg wrote:
People again looking for any excuse to claim AS is going down the tubes...


I am not sure how a discussion of OO flying non-branded planes for AS is an "excuse to claim AS is going down the tubes".

It may be, however, a basis for discussing whether or not Horizon is "going down the tubes:, and - based on comments here from people who might fly them regularly - that is up for legitimate debate.
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:20 am

The CRJ7's were phased back out because they were at C-Check phase, and AAG and OO didn't want to pay for it.
 
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:53 am

Cubsrule wrote:
amcnd wrote:
A 700 was used the other day.. what do you expect? AS to pay for paint on a aircraft that will not be flying (hopefully) soon.. i agree brand is everything.. and generic OO painted planes are saving cancellations. Then so be it.


Generic OO planes have been part of many (most?) OO operations for as long as I can remember. I’m not sure why anyone is surprised or concerned. That’s even more true here given the (hopefully) short term nature of the contract here.


The four CRJ 200s and two CRJ-700s were added to the schedule in September to cover for Horizon Air shortages. Previously, Skywest had two CRJ 200s on the schedule (I think 2015), also to cover for an airplane shortage. As noted above, the two Alaska-colored CRJ-700s were retired. The CRJ-700 that amcnd saw (N752SK) was filling in for a CRJ 200.
 
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:22 am

I am not sure how a discussion of OO flying non-branded planes for AS is an "excuse to claim AS is going down the tubes".

It may be, however, a basis for discussing whether or not Horizon is "going down the tubes:, and - based on comments here from people who might fly them regularly - that is up for legitimate debate

Sorry--that post was typed before my morning coffee and in a hangry state. Please disregard. ;)
It was just that I wasn't sure how this is a notable topic seeing as airlines do this all the time. I responded in a manner which didn't do much to actually explain how I felt about the issue. So, yeah, ignore me and my nonsensical pre-breakfast utterances.
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:59 am

First AS painting a VX 321 with branding that looked horrible and made no sense, and now a CRJ flying around without titles. AS really is quickly going down the tubes

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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:09 am

chrisp390 wrote:
AS painting a VS 321 with branding that looked horrible and made no sense


Did you get a load of what it looks like once you add Chester?

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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:27 am

EA CO AS wrote:
chrisp390 wrote:
AS painting a VS 321 with branding that looked horrible and made no sense


Did you get a load of what it looks like once you add Chester?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BdTZ6iVHlZC/


Oh wow, much better! :bigthumbsup:
 
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:25 am

Some stats from PSC where cancellations happened a lot and now 5 out of the 6 flights are on OO CRJ200's: October 2016/11,030 Horizon enplanements - October 2017/8,580 Horizon enplanements, a drop of 22% YOY. November 2016/12,198 Horizon enplanements - November 2017/8,592 Horizon enplanements, a drop of 30% YOY. Of course both months saw a 38% decline in available seats, but then those people had to go to Delta to fly to Seattle. http://www.flytricities.com/assets/docs ... r-2017.pdf
 
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:29 am

Newbiepilot wrote:
Whatever it takes to keep flying. Horizons cancellations have really hurt the brand in the smaller markets in the Pacific Northwest. I can’t think of a better gift to Southwest in Boise.


Alaska is the cause of the issues at Horizon. So whatever harm Horizon has done to hurt the brand is the result of Alaska destroying what used to be a good thing.
 
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:36 am

TVNWZ wrote:
They keep unbranded planes as spares and backup. That way the plane can be used for multiple airlines if needed.


We call them "White Tails". They are used as fleet spares, when needed.
 
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:28 am

cruisezone wrote:
Some stats from PSC where cancellations happened a lot and now 5 out of the 6 flights are on OO CRJ200's: October 2016/11,030 Horizon enplanements - October 2017/8,580 Horizon enplanements, a drop of 22% YOY. November 2016/12,198 Horizon enplanements - November 2017/8,592 Horizon enplanements, a drop of 30% YOY. Of course both months saw a 38% decline in available seats, but then those people had to go to Delta to fly to Seattle. http://www.flytricities.com/assets/docs ... r-2017.pdf

Thanks for the data. This shows fundamental changes in consumer behaviour out of the Tri-Cities,
 
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:32 am

It sounds like there are quite a few armchair CEO's that are begging for AS to fail and stop flying.
 
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:47 am

The AS-branded CR7's that were pulled from storage in Tucson are owned/leased by Alaska Air Group. In fact, all of the CR7's the OO has parked in TUS are all AS responsibility. OO had one CR7 flying for AS that it owned but that plane has since been sold and exported.

MO11 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
amcnd wrote:
A 700 was used the other day.. what do you expect? AS to pay for paint on a aircraft that will not be flying (hopefully) soon.. i agree brand is everything.. and generic OO painted planes are saving cancellations. Then so be it.


Generic OO planes have been part of many (most?) OO operations for as long as I can remember. I’m not sure why anyone is surprised or concerned. That’s even more true here given the (hopefully) short term nature of the contract here.


The four CRJ 200s and two CRJ-700s were added to the schedule in September to cover for Horizon Air shortages. Previously, Skywest had two CRJ 200s on the schedule (I think 2015), also to cover for an airplane shortage. As noted above, the two Alaska-colored CRJ-700s were retired. The CRJ-700 that amcnd saw (N752SK) was filling in for a CRJ 200.
 
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Re: AS using non-branded OO CRJ2s

Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:54 am

When AA first brought on OO to operate American Eagle flights, house branded Skywest planes were often seen. I saw a bit of confusion when flying out of the remote terminal at LAX. Many pax would stop and hesitate before boarding. Once onboard, the flight attendant had to answer the, "I thought I was flying American Airlines?" in their best layman speak.
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