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OAG Changes 1/7/2018:HA Adds LGB; UA adds DEN-ATW/ORF,IAH-CAK/DAY,LAX-ACV,ORD-BIS/SLN,SFO-MSN; AM Drops DEN-MEX

Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:26 pm

FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

WHERE ARE SEATS SHOWN?
They aren't. This only shows departures.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

9X BNA-MEM FEB 0>0.7

AA DFW-RDU APR 6>7

AG MIA-AUA FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2

*AM DEN-MEX APR 0.4>0.2 MAY 0.3>0 JUN 0.3>0 JUL 0.3>0 AUG 0.3>0 SEP 0.3>0
AM IAD-MEX MAY 0.9>1.0

AS PHL-SFO APR 0.4>0.2 MAY 1.6>1.0

AV JFK-MDE MAR 0.7>1.0 APR 0.7>1.0 MAY 0.7>1.0

B6 BOS-SJU MAR 2>3

BW JFK-GEO MAR 1.1>1.4

DL ATL-EWR JUL 11>12
DL ATL-JAX JUL 13>14
DL ATL-PNS JUL 8>9
DL ATL-YVR MAY 0.5>0.3
DL BZN-MSP MAR 1.3>2
DL CVG-ATL MAY 7>8
DL DTW-CMH SEP 7>6
DL DTW-FLL SEP 5>4
DL IND-RSW APR 0.1>0.0
DL JFK-RSW APR 0.5>0.3
Moves to LGA. Wasn't it there to begin with?
*DL JFK-YHZ MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0
DL LAX-ATL JUL 12>13
DL LAX-DTW JUL 7>8
DL LAX-RDU APR 1.0>1.7 MAY 1.0>2
DL LAX-SJC SEP 7>6
DL LGA-BOS SEP 13>14
3RTs is a little surprising
*DL LGA-GRR JUN 1.5>3 JUL 1.5>3 AUG 1.6>3 SEP 1.3>3
*DL LGA-MSN JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.6>3 AUG 1.7>3 SEP 1.3>3
*DL LGA-YHZ MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
Fixed the gap talked about last week
DL SEA-MKE APR 0.1>1.0

Hmm...slots?
*DY EWR-CDG MAR 0.9>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.9>0 JUL 0.8>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.9>0
*DY EWR-ORY MAR 0>0.9 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

Those are big frequency increases
FI BOS-KEF MAY 2.0>3
FI IAD-KEF MAY 1.9>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3
FI JFK-KEF MAY 1.9>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3
FI ORD-KEF MAY 1.0>1.2 JUN 1.0>1.4 JUL 1.0>1.4 AUG 1.0>1.4 SEP 1.0>1.2

HA HNL-JHM MAR 2>4 APR 2>4 MAY 2>4 JUN 2>4 JUL 2>4 AUG 2>4 SEP 2>4
*HA HNL-LGB JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*HA JHM-OGG MAR 1.0>0.4 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0
HA KOA-OGG MAR 5>4 APR 5>3 MAY 5>3 JUN 5>3 JUL 5>3 AUG 5>3 SEP 5>3
*HA LNY-MKK MAR 1.0>0.4 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0
*HA MKK-OGG MAR 1.0>0.4 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0

J1 ALB-BUF FEB 0>1.4 MAR 0>1.4 APR 0>1.4 MAY 0>1.5 JUN 0>1.4
J1 CVG-PIT FEB 1.4>0
J1 PIT-RIC FEB 1.4>0

KL SLC-AMS JUN 0.4>0.6 JUL 0.5>0.6 AUG 0.4>0.6 SEP 0.4>0.6

RJ DTW-YUL JUN 0.1>0.0
RJ JFK-AMM APR 0.7>0.6

*UA DEN-ATW JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
UA DEN-BIL MAY 5>4
UA DEN-JAC MAY 3>2
*UA DEN-ORF JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
UA DEN-SGF MAY 3>2
UA EWR-ATL MAY 8>7
UA EWR-BDL MAY 4>3
UA EWR-CHS MAY 5>4
UA EWR-CLT MAY 6>5
UA EWR-CUN APR 5>4
UA EWR-CVG MAY 6>5
UA EWR-DAY MAY 3>1.7
UA EWR-DFW APR 6>5 MAY 6>5
UA EWR-IND MAY 7>6
UA EWR-MBJ APR 1.4>1.1
UA EWR-MCO APR 10>11
UA EWR-MSY MAY 3>4
UA EWR-NAS APR 1.6>1.4
UA EWR-PLS APR 1.2>1.1
UA EWR-PUJ APR 4>3
UA EWR-PVR APR 0.6>0.4
UA EWR-SXM APR 1.0>0.8
*UA HYS-SLN APR 0>1.3 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7
UA IAD-BUF MAY 3>4
UA IAD-CVG MAY 3>4
UA IAD-FLL MAY 1.0>2
UA IAD-GCM APR 0.3>0.1
UA IAD-MCI APR 1.9>3 MAY 1.9>3
UA IAD-MSY MAY 2>3
UA IAD-PVD APR 2>3 MAY 2>3
UA IAD-RIC MAY 3>4
UA IAD-ROA APR 3>2.0 MAY 3>2
UA IAD-ROC APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
UA IAD-SAV APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
UA IAD-SCE APR 3>2.0 MAY 3>1.9
UA IAD-STL APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
UA IAD-SYR MAY 4>3
UA IAD-YOW APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
UA IAH-BNA MAY 5>6
*UA IAH-CAK JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
UA IAH-CHS MAY 1.9>3
UA IAH-CLL MAY 1.9>3
UA IAH-CMH MAY 5>4
*UA IAH-DAY JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
UA IAH-IND MAY 5>4
UA IAH-JAX MAY 4>3
UA IAH-LAS MAY 8>7
UA IAH-LBB MAY 3>4
UA IAH-MCO MAY 6>7
UA IAH-MFE MAY 5>6
UA IAH-MLU MAY 3>1.9
UA IAH-PDX MAY 3>2
UA IAH-RIC MAY 2>1.0
UA IAH-RNO APR 0.5>0.3
UA IAH-SJC MAY 2>1.0
UA IAH-SJD APR 1.9>3
UA IAH-TUS MAY 4>3
*UA LAX-ACV JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*UA ORD-BIS JUN 0>1.6 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
UA ORD-DAY MAY 4>5
UA ORD-MBJ APR 0.6>0.8
UA ORD-PLS APR 0.4>0.2
*UA ORD-SLN MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>0.9 AUG 0>0.9 SEP 0>0.8
UA SFO-ACV MAY 4>3
UA SFO-IAD MAY 11>9
UA SFO-LAS APR 9>10 MAY 9>10
UA SFO-MCI MAY 3>1.9
UA SFO-MCO MAY 2>3
That's a shocker
*UA SFO-MSN JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
UA SFO-MSP MAY 3>2
UA SFO-MSY MAY 1.0>2
UA SFO-PDX MAY 8>7

X4 HNS-JNU MAY 6>7 JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
X4 JNU-SGY MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/7/2018:HA Adds LGB; UA adds DEN-ATW/ORF,IAH-CAK/DAY,LAX-ACV,ORD-BIS/SLN,SFO-MSN; AM Drops DEN-MEX

Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:30 pm

Moves to LGA. Wasn't it there to begin with?
*DL JFK-YHZ MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0


It was originally DTW-YHZ
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Re: OAG Changes 1/7/2018:HA Adds LGB; UA adds DEN-ATW/ORF,IAH-CAK/DAY,LAX-ACV,ORD-BIS/SLN,SFO-MSN; AM Drops DEN-MEX

Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:33 pm

Thanks for all the hard work Enilria
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/7/2018:HA Adds LGB; UA adds DEN-ATW/ORF,IAH-CAK/DAY,LAX-ACV,ORD-BIS/SLN,SFO-MSN; AM Drops DEN-MEX

Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:38 pm

I can't see this increased frequency on FI to JFK and IAD on their website. BOS seems to be 3x daily on most days.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/7/2018:HA Adds LGB; UA adds DEN-ATW/ORF,IAH-CAK/DAY,LAX-ACV,ORD-BIS/SLN,SFO-MSN; AM Drops DEN-MEX

Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:42 pm

enilria wrote:
That's a shocker
*UA SFO-MSN JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0


Likely some financial incentives behind it, PDEW was only around 75-80 for Q1/Q2 of 2017
ORD & IND

AA & DL
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:59 pm

Can a 175 make MSN SFO ??
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:00 pm

Thanks enilria and HNY!

enilria wrote:
*HA HNL-LGB JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0


This is very surprising. Where did the slot come from? My understanding is that all slots are accounted for (with WN being very aggressive about using any underutilized ones).

Could B6 possibly have leased one to HA? I suppose B6 can feed the flight as well, although most markets B6 serves from LGB already have their own nonstop HA service.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:07 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
That's a shocker
*UA SFO-MSN JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0


Likely some financial incentives behind it, PDEW was only around 75-80 for Q1/Q2 of 2017


With Epic Software continuing to expand, I’m sure they saw an opportuntity to add a flight and capture some West coast connecting traffic.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/7/2018:HA Adds LGB; UA adds DEN-ATW/ORF,IAH-CAK/DAY,LAX-ACV,ORD-BIS/SLN,SFO-MSN; AM Drops DEN-MEX

Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:08 pm

enilria wrote:
That's a shocker
*UA SFO-MSN JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0


Looks like this will be the longest E175 route now. I am pretty sure STL-SFO has been but this is 37 miles longer. Surprises me since STL-SFO is weight restricted sometimes, but hopefully it works out.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:09 pm

*AM DEN-MEX APR 0.4>0.2 MAY 0.3>0 JUN 0.3>0 JUL 0.3>0 AUG 0.3>0 SEP 0.3>0


Another case of a route that can't sustain both Y4 and AM?
300 319 320 321 332 333 345 346 380 717 733 734 735 73G 738 739 744 752 753 762 763 772 77W 788 789 CR2 CR7 CR9 CRK Q400 E175 DC10 MD82 MD90
AA AF AS AY AZ B6 BA BR DL F9 FI GA HA KF LH MI QX SK SN SQ UA US VY WN
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/7/2018:HA Adds LGB; UA adds DEN-ATW/ORF,IAH-CAK/DAY,LAX-ACV,ORD-BIS/SLN,SFO-MSN; AM Drops DEN-MEX

Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:11 pm

Thanks as always enilria
enilria wrote:
B6 BOS-SJU MAR 2>3

maybe SJU bookings are back
DL LAX-RDU APR 1.0>1.7 MAY 1.0>2

really strong move by DL here. I wonder if AA will respond
Those are big frequency increases
FI BOS-KEF MAY 2.0>3
FI IAD-KEF MAY 1.9>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3
FI JFK-KEF MAY 1.9>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3
FI ORD-KEF MAY 1.0>1.2 JUN 1.0>1.4 JUL 1.0>1.4 AUG 1.0>1.4 SEP 1.0>1.2

good point, FI is really growing. Looks like B6 is providing good feed here. But it's also increasing against UA hubs.

*HA HNL-LGB JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

helps B6 with slot squatting. A321NEO really makes a lot of these routes possible
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:12 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
That's a shocker
*UA SFO-MSN JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0


Likely some financial incentives behind it, PDEW was only around 75-80 for Q1/Q2 of 2017


Looks like it shouldn't be a problem because they will be using a 75 seat RJ if you can imagine! That's a long way for an Express flight!
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:13 pm

COSPN wrote:
Can a 175 make MSN SFO ??


MSN to SFO is 1540 NM, STL to SFO is 1508 NM

I know skywest has the 175 with Enhanced Winglets, so they could probably use it on that route...
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:13 pm

gwrudolph wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
That's a shocker
*UA SFO-MSN JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0


Likely some financial incentives behind it, PDEW was only around 75-80 for Q1/Q2 of 2017


Looks like it shouldn't be a problem because they will be using a 75 seat RJ if you can imagine! That's a long way for an Express flight!

Eh it’s a E175 so really no big deal.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:16 pm

TropicalSky wrote:
Thanks for all the hard work Enilria

:)
klm617 wrote:
Moves to LGA. Wasn't it there to begin with?
*DL JFK-YHZ MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0


It was originally DTW-YHZ

Pulling the data to check my memory, it operated LGA-YHZ from 2012 to 2015, then JFK, and now back.
hvusslax wrote:
I can't see this increased frequency on FI to JFK and IAD on their website. BOS seems to be 3x daily on most days.

According to OAG, the JFK will now have about 2.5 RTs, IAD is 3 daily, and BOS 3 daily. No idea about anything beyond that.
Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
That's a shocker
*UA SFO-MSN JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0


Likely some financial incentives behind it, PDEW was only around 75-80 for Q1/Q2 of 2017

Probably, but why SFO to bankroll?
jetbluefan1 wrote:
Thanks enilria and HNY!

enilria wrote:
*HA HNL-LGB JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0


This is very surprising. Where did the slot come from? My understanding is that all slots are accounted for (with WN being very aggressive about using any underutilized ones).

Could B6 possibly have leased one to HA? I suppose B6 can feed the flight as well, although most markets B6 serves from LGB already have their own nonstop HA service.

Thanks

That was my first thought. What a great place to hide a slot that won't harm B6.
Jshank83 wrote:
enilria wrote:
That's a shocker
*UA SFO-MSN JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0


Looks like this will be the longest E175 route now. I am pretty sure STL-SFO has been but this is 37 miles longer. Surprises me since STL-SFO is weight restricted sometimes, but hopefully it works out.

Then it's a double shocker
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:20 pm

enilria wrote:
*UA IAH-CAK JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*UA IAH-DAY JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

So IAH-DAY I can get onboard with, but IAH-CAK seems like a very odd choice. Why would they fly that? The have a monopoly from CLE with F9 out of it and PIT just has one RT on WN. So, basically, the only passengers to get are already on UA. I don't get it.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:26 pm

Thanks again, Enilria. Your threads are a favorite part of my Sunday mornings.
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Re: OAG Changes 1/7/2018:HA Adds LGB; UA adds DEN-ATW/ORF,IAH-CAK/DAY,LAX-ACV,ORD-BIS/SLN,SFO-MSN; AM Drops DEN-MEX

Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:35 pm

Thanks as always for taking the time to compile and post this stuff, enilria!

enilria wrote:
J1 CVG-PIT FEB 1.4>0
J1 PIT-RIC FEB 1.4>0


Both are planned to come back in March – my own guess is that’s when the first Citation CJ4 enters service.

enilria wrote:
*UA DEN-ATW JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0


This is an Air Wisconsin CR2 heading west in the morning and east in the evening. It would seem Air Wisconsin is getting some DEN UA* flying and this will rotate an aircraft back and forth.

enilria wrote:
*UA HYS-SLN APR 0>1.3 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7
*UA ORD-SLN MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>0.9 AUG 0>0.9 SEP 0>0.8


EAS flying. HYS-DEN has been running twice daily with 50-seat RJ's but (unlike stronger plains RJ markets like Manhattan, Grand Island, Garden City) Hays' traffic is thin and per-passenger subsidy is comparably high. Now that Salina has been awarded to Skywest the twice-daily DEN-HYS flights will operate DEN-HYS-SLN. Plus one of the DEN-HYS-SLN flights will continue on to ORD. Both markets will have access to two hubs and planes will run fuller -- hopefully for less total subsidy than independent twice-daily RJ nonstops to Hays and to Salina would have cost.

Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
That's a shocker
*UA SFO-MSN JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0


Likely some financial incentives behind it, PDEW was only around 75-80 for Q1/Q2 of 2017


Skywest will run a 76-seat E75 on the route, which at 1,773mi is 37 miles father than STL-SFO which (according to some) runs into weight penalty issues. I think that may be the longest scheduled E75 route out there.

With SFO being a hub I suspect they'll fill seats just fine, but the question is will it be successful enough to justify burning 2/3 of an aircraft each day.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/7/2018:HA Adds LGB; UA adds DEN-ATW/ORF,IAH-CAK/DAY,LAX-ACV,ORD-BIS/SLN,SFO-MSN; AM Drops DEN-MEX

Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:35 pm

enilria wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Likely some financial incentives behind it, PDEW was only around 75-80 for Q1/Q2 of 2017

Probably, but why SFO to bankroll?


MSN is really trying to grow its tech scene, so a flight to SFO was likely at the top of the list for the airport
plane1205 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
That's a shocker
*UA SFO-MSN JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0


Likely some financial incentives behind it, PDEW was only around 75-80 for Q1/Q2 of 2017


With Epic Software continuing to expand, I’m sure they saw an opportuntity to add a flight and capture some West coast connecting traffic.

http://www.businesstravelnews.com/Corpo ... ic-Systems

They are a pretty big corporate travel spender, so hopefully they can provide a significant amount butts of in seats. However, this route will probably cannibalize a significant amount of the MSN-DEN traffic, I think 25-35% percent of the MSN-SFO PDEW was connecting through DEN, not to mention the MSN-SEA/PDX/LAX/e.t.c pax who can now connect through SFO.
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:36 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
COSPN wrote:
Can a 175 make MSN SFO ??


MSN to SFO is 1540 NM, STL to SFO is 1508 NM

I know skywest has the 175 with Enhanced Winglets, so they could probably use it on that route...


Didn't Skywest fly them for AS from PDX - STL for a while? That's further. And IIRC, Air Canada used to fly them PDX - Toronto. Embraer lists the 175's range as 2,200 NM.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:49 pm

cschleic wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
COSPN wrote:
Can a 175 make MSN SFO ??


MSN to SFO is 1540 NM, STL to SFO is 1508 NM

I know skywest has the 175 with Enhanced Winglets, so they could probably use it on that route...


Didn't Skywest fly them for AS from PDX - STL for a while? That's further. And IIRC, Air Canada used to fly them PDX - Toronto. Embraer lists the 175's range as 2,200 NM.


Here are the longest scheduled E175 routes in the US in statute miles:

1773 MSN-SFO
1735 STL-SFO
1718 MKE-PDX
1715 AUS-PDX
1709 STL-SEA
1708 STL-PDX
1694 MKE-SEA
1616 DFW-PDX

Manufacturers' range stats are invariably significantly longer than airlines are willing to push in the real world -- kind of like car mileage estimates on new car stickers in the USA. Under great situations you can meet or even exceed the mileage estimate for your car, but you will often miss it and you cannot rely on getting anywhere near that value.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:13 pm

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Moves to LGA. Wasn't it there to begin with?
*DL JFK-YHZ MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0


It was originally DTW-YHZ
Now YHZ has publicly stated in a news article that I read that they’re looking to get DTW back.
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:18 pm

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I can't see this increased frequency on FI to JFK and IAD on their website. BOS seems to be 3x daily on most days.

Does that mean they'll return to B757 because currently they fly a daily B767?
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:24 pm

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enilria wrote:
*UA IAH-CAK JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*UA IAH-DAY JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

So IAH-DAY I can get onboard with, but IAH-CAK seems like a very odd choice. Why would they fly that? The have a monopoly from CLE with F9 out of it and PIT just has one RT on WN. So, basically, the only passengers to get are already on UA. I don't get it.

Because obviously they do not have all the passengers they can get. One big misunderstanding is that markets like DAY and CAK are not small markets, each of them have metro populations over 1 million, spread over vast areas where many of their populations will rarely if ever fly from Cincinnati,or Clevelands airports. These are the flyers they are after.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:36 pm

enilria wrote:
enilria wrote:
*UA IAH-CAK JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*UA IAH-DAY JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

So IAH-DAY I can get onboard with, but IAH-CAK seems like a very odd choice. Why would they fly that? The have a monopoly from CLE with F9 out of it and PIT just has one RT on WN. So, basically, the only passengers to get are already on UA. I don't get it.


Fracking activity is up. CAK is more convenient than CLE.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:37 pm

enilria wrote:
enilria wrote:
*UA IAH-CAK JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*UA IAH-DAY JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

So IAH-DAY I can get onboard with, but IAH-CAK seems like a very odd choice. Why would they fly that? The have a monopoly from CLE with F9 out of it and PIT just has one RT on WN. So, basically, the only passengers to get are already on UA. I don't get it.


Downtown Canton is over 60 miles from CLE, but only 10.5 miles away from CAK. United Airlines might be wanting to provide customers who are much closer CAK than to CLE with easier access to IAH, other Texas destinations, and international destinations in Mexico, Central America, South America, Asia, and Australia through an airport that is much closer than CLE is.

Southwest is already considering adding CLE-HOU nonstop service, and Spirit could also add CLE-IAH nonstop service.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:37 pm

knope2001 wrote:

enilria wrote:
*UA HYS-SLN APR 0>1.3 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7
*UA ORD-SLN MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>0.9 AUG 0>0.9 SEP 0>0.8


EAS flying. HYS-DEN has been running twice daily with 50-seat RJ's but (unlike stronger plains RJ markets like Manhattan, Grand Island, Garden City) Hays' traffic is thin and per-passenger subsidy is comparably high. Now that Salina has been awarded to Skywest the twice-daily DEN-HYS flights will operate DEN-HYS-SLN. Plus one of the DEN-HYS-SLN flights will continue on to ORD. Both markets will have access to two hubs and planes will run fuller -- hopefully for less total subsidy than independent twice-daily RJ nonstops to Hays and to Salina would have cost.



I was in Hays last month and ran into the mayor. He told me that getting UA to start ORD was a major priority for his city. Looks like he got his wish, albeit thru SLN. I'm sure they are happy!
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:39 pm

enilria wrote:
*UA LAX-ACV JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0


Another new route for UA out of LAX. I think they were trying to get AA to add the route (or maybe that was RDD), either way, a good idea to have an alternate to SFO when it gets fogged in
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:46 pm

jplatts wrote:
enilria wrote:
enilria wrote:
*UA IAH-CAK JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*UA IAH-DAY JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

So IAH-DAY I can get onboard with, but IAH-CAK seems like a very odd choice. Why would they fly that? The have a monopoly from CLE with F9 out of it and PIT just has one RT on WN. So, basically, the only passengers to get are already on UA. I don't get it.


Downtown Canton is over 60 miles from CLE, but only 10.5 miles away from CAK. United Airlines might be wanting to provide customers who are much closer CAK than to CLE with easier access to IAH, other Texas destinations, and international destinations in Mexico, Central America, South America, Asia, and Australia through an airport that is much closer than CLE is.

Southwest is already considering adding CLE-HOU nonstop service, and Spirit could also add CLE-IAH nonstop service.


Spirit hasn't pushing IAH as much as DFW. PIT-IAH was added and abruptly pulled, so not sure if CLE-IAH is in the cards. There might not even be a CMH-DFW as even DFW to the medium non destination markets might be done with NK growth. There hasn't been PHL-IAH announcement (for a much larger market), after F9's trial. If Southwest adds CLE-HOU, UA servicing CAK-IAH at 1x daily, is 1x less daily that can be used for CLE-IAH where UA needs as much frequency advantage over WN, and not dilution of pax into an alternate airport.

I agree though, that it gives CAK customers more southbound and southwest bound, but the CAK-IAH flight is 1000 miles (i.e. a long hop) and CAK is still a secondary airport in the CLE area.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:12 pm

FI BOS-KEF MAY 2.0>3
FI IAD-KEF MAY 1.9>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3
FI JFK-KEF MAY 1.9>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3
FI ORD-KEF MAY 1.0>1.2 JUN 1.0>1.4 JUL 1.0>1.4 AUG 1.0>1.4 SEP 1.0>1.2

I wonder if FI is still taking delivery of some old AA 757's.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:32 pm

For some of these E175 routes, you would think they would use an A319 / 737 - 700 instead. Maybe this will happen later when the market grows.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:32 pm

knope2001 wrote:
cschleic wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

MSN to SFO is 1540 NM, STL to SFO is 1508 NM

I know skywest has the 175 with Enhanced Winglets, so they could probably use it on that route...


Didn't Skywest fly them for AS from PDX - STL for a while? That's further. And IIRC, Air Canada used to fly them PDX - Toronto. Embraer lists the 175's range as 2,200 NM.


Here are the longest scheduled E175 routes in the US in statute miles:

1773 MSN-SFO
1735 STL-SFO
1718 MKE-PDX
1715 AUS-PDX
1709 STL-SEA
1708 STL-PDX
1694 MKE-SEA
1616 DFW-PDX

Manufacturers' range stats are invariably significantly longer than airlines are willing to push in the real world -- kind of like car mileage estimates on new car stickers in the USA. Under great situations you can meet or even exceed the mileage estimate for your car, but you will often miss it and you cannot rely on getting anywhere near that value.


Ah, thanks for the list. I got SM and NM confused. Need morning coffee.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:39 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
COSPN wrote:
Can a 175 make MSN SFO ??


MSN to SFO is 1540 NM, STL to SFO is 1508 NM

I know skywest has the 175 with Enhanced Winglets, so they could probably use it on that route...

ORD-FAT announced a few weeks ago is also up there at 1503 NM.
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:48 pm

cschleic wrote:
knope2001 wrote:
cschleic wrote:

Didn't Skywest fly them for AS from PDX - STL for a while? That's further. And IIRC, Air Canada used to fly them PDX - Toronto. Embraer lists the 175's range as 2,200 NM.


Here are the longest scheduled E175 routes in the US in statute miles:

1773 MSN-SFO
1735 STL-SFO
1718 MKE-PDX
1715 AUS-PDX
1709 STL-SEA
1708 STL-PDX
1694 MKE-SEA
1616 DFW-PDX

Manufacturers' range stats are invariably significantly longer than airlines are willing to push in the real world -- kind of like car mileage estimates on new car stickers in the USA. Under great situations you can meet or even exceed the mileage estimate for your car, but you will often miss it and you cannot rely on getting anywhere near that value.


Ah, thanks for the list. I got SM and NM confused. Need morning coffee.


LOL -- it's a little confusing with or without morning coffee. The DoT stats use statue, plus Karl Swartz' Great Circle Mapper does as well (which is a fantastic, handy tool), Other places may use NM and there's nothing wrong with that by any means, but it contributes to potential for apples/oranges confusion. And it doesn't help that manufacturers publish numbers that are well beyond what airlines are willing to push.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:51 pm

knope2001 wrote:
Here are the longest scheduled E175 routes in the US in statute miles:

1773 MSN-SFO
1735 STL-SFO
1731 FAT-ORD (begins 6/7/18)
1718 MKE-PDX
1715 AUS-PDX
1709 STL-SEA
1708 STL-PDX
1694 MKE-SEA
1616 DFW-PDX

Edited to include FAT-ORD
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:07 pm

FATFlyer wrote:
knope2001 wrote:
Here are the longest scheduled E175 routes in the US in statute miles:

1773 MSN-SFO
1735 STL-SFO
1731 FAT-ORD (begins 6/7/18)
1718 MKE-PDX
1715 AUS-PDX
1709 STL-SEA
1708 STL-PDX
1694 MKE-SEA
1616 DFW-PDX

Edited to include FAT-ORD


Thanks -- forgot that was coming...
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:13 pm

FATFlyer wrote:
knope2001 wrote:
Here are the longest scheduled E175 routes in the US in statute miles:

1773 MSN-SFO
1735 STL-SFO
1731 FAT-ORD (begins 6/7/18)
1718 MKE-PDX
1715 AUS-PDX
1709 STL-SEA
1708 STL-PDX
1694 MKE-SEA
1616 DFW-PDX

Edited to include FAT-ORD


Image

Really, it is pretty impressive range for a 76 seater. They are very comfortable too. I'd rather that long of a flight on an E175 compared to a mainline jet.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:25 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
That's a shocker
*UA SFO-MSN JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0


Likely some financial incentives behind it, PDEW was only around 75-80 for Q1/Q2 of 2017


Not sure why that would be necessary. MSN is a University town and home to Epic. I’m sure there are plenty of Bay Area links. SFO can also carry connecting traffic.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:29 pm

FlyHossD wrote:
Thanks again, Enilria. Your threads are a favorite part of my Sunday mornings.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

knope2001 wrote:
Thanks as always for taking the time to compile and post this stuff, enilria!

I appreciate that. :)

It is a fair amount of work, so it really irks me when people take things from the headline of this thread and posts them as a separate threads. Seems to happen every week.

knope2001 wrote:
Skywest will run a 76-seat E75 on the route, which at 1,773mi is 37 miles father than STL-SFO which (according to some) runs into weight penalty issues. I think that may be the longest scheduled E75 route out there.

I don't think it will be full enough to run into weight issues pretty much all the time. I guess that's good? Or is it?
cschleic wrote:
Embraer lists the 175's range as 2,200 NM.

Rule #1. Never believe manufacturer range.
masseybrown wrote:
Fracking activity is up. CAK is more convenient than CLE.

Like the BSG reference. Convenient or not, airlines usually don't add routes that pirate traffic from their own other routes. Still odd.

jplatts wrote:
Southwest is already considering adding CLE-HOU nonstop service, and Spirit could also add CLE-IAH nonstop service.

I agree that could happen, but I'm sure lowering fares at CLE makes CAK-IAH better. I think in the real world it would make the fares at CAK unsustainable for an RJ.
wedgetail737 wrote:
I wonder if FI is still taking delivery of some old AA 757's.

It does seem like they are growing beyond their fleet announcements.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:31 pm

Looks like RJ DTW-YUL Is just suspended for the month of June.
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:33 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
Looks like RJ DTW-YUL Is just suspended for the month of June.

It's just because the frequency is so low it doesn't meet the report criteria. Went from 5 AMM and 3 YUL to 7 AMM and 1 YUL.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:34 pm

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*AM DEN-MEX APR 0.4>0.2 MAY 0.3>0 JUN 0.3>0 JUL 0.3>0 AUG 0.3>0 SEP 0.3>0


Another case of a route that can't sustain both Y4 and AM?


AM's withdrawal from DEN is for May through September. Will they be back at DEN the next winter (say December 2018 to April 2019) in order to serve ski tourism that refuses to fly Y4 and that might prefer AM over UA?
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:39 pm

cschleic wrote:
And IIRC, Air Canada used to fly them PDX - Toronto. Embraer lists the 175's range as 2,200 NM.


AC ran the E190 on PDX-YYZ and SEA-YYZ.
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:52 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
knope2001 wrote:

enilria wrote:
*UA HYS-SLN APR 0>1.3 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7
*UA ORD-SLN MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>0.9 AUG 0>0.9 SEP 0>0.8


EAS flying. HYS-DEN has been running twice daily with 50-seat RJ's but (unlike stronger plains RJ markets like Manhattan, Grand Island, Garden City) Hays' traffic is thin and per-passenger subsidy is comparably high. Now that Salina has been awarded to Skywest the twice-daily DEN-HYS flights will operate DEN-HYS-SLN. Plus one of the DEN-HYS-SLN flights will continue on to ORD. Both markets will have access to two hubs and planes will run fuller -- hopefully for less total subsidy than independent twice-daily RJ nonstops to Hays and to Salina would have cost.



I was in Hays last month and ran into the mayor. He told me that getting UA to start ORD was a major priority for his city. Looks like he got his wish, albeit thru SLN. I'm sure they are happy!


Glad to hear they are excited about it. Not only will they have a 1-stop flight to Chicago which will offer more connections east, but the afternoon HYS-DEN flight will run a few hours earlier as part of the change. Right now the afternoon HYS-DEN flight gets into Denver too late to connect most places east of the Mississippi, so effectively Hays has only has that morning flight if you need to go to Atlanta, or Florida, or Boston, etc. This changes opens that up quite a bit. And Chicago itself is likely fairly high on the destination list for Hays.

I'm sure this isn't the most captivating topic for many as Hays is pretty small. But I am very encouraged to see better service patterns for small communities, especially on branded regional jets. The subsidies which support these flights are not cheap and have been tenuous for years. If airlines can figure ways to give useful, reasonably-well patronized service to these communities the subsidies can get smaller and the danger of losing it can lessen. Nothing sadder for a small-community air service advocate like myself to see us spending $2-3m per year to pay for unreliable EAS flights which are little utilized. So this kind of thing is encouraging.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:02 pm

knope2001 wrote:

I'm sure this isn't the most captivating topic for many as Hays is pretty small. But I am very encouraged to see better service patterns for small communities, especially on branded regional jets. The subsidies which support these flights are not cheap and have been tenuous for years. If airlines can figure ways to give useful, reasonably-well patronized service to these communities the subsidies can get smaller and the danger of losing it can lessen. Nothing sadder for a small-community air service advocate like myself to see us spending $2-3m per year to pay for unreliable EAS flights which are little utilized. So this kind of thing is encouraging.



This is also the kind of destination you want to see work. It's a 4.5 hour drive to Denver, 2.5 hour drive to Wichita, and over 2 hours to Manhattan from Hays. No, there aren't many people who live in the huge expanse of western Kansas and eastern Colorado, but this is the kind of service that could significantly enhance the ability to do business in that region.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/7/2018:HA Adds LGB; UA adds DEN-ATW/ORF,IAH-CAK/DAY,LAX-ACV,ORD-BIS/SLN,SFO-MSN; AM Drops DEN-MEX

Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:09 pm

First, thanks enilria! We appreciate your hard work every week!

enilria wrote:

Hmm...slots?
*DY EWR-CDG MAR 0.9>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.9>0 JUL 0.8>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.9>0
*DY EWR-ORY MAR 0>0.9 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0


This is really interesting. DY operation in Paris is getting messy. CPH, HEL, ARN, BGO, OSL, and now EWR from ORY while at CDG they'll have BOS, DEN, FLL, LAX, JFK, OAK, MCO, and soon OSL which will transfer over from ORY. I wonder if they're goal is to have their whole operation end up in CDG but they just don't have the slots? It can't be particularly cost effective to have split ops to that degree (same could be said for JFK/EWR ops).
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/7/2018:HA Adds LGB; UA adds DEN-ATW/ORF,IAH-CAK/DAY,LAX-ACV,ORD-BIS/SLN,SFO-MSN; AM Drops DEN-MEX

Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:13 pm

It looks like UA swapped out an SFO-ACV run for an LAX-ACV. QX tried LAX-ACV about ten years ago but couldn't make it work even with an RDD tag-on, but maybe this one will stick
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/7/2018:HA Adds LGB; UA adds DEN-ATW/ORF,IAH-CAK/DAY,LAX-ACV,ORD-BIS/SLN,SFO-MSN; AM Drops DEN-MEX

Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:22 pm

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
knope2001 wrote:

I'm sure this isn't the most captivating topic for many as Hays is pretty small. But I am very encouraged to see better service patterns for small communities, especially on branded regional jets. The subsidies which support these flights are not cheap and have been tenuous for years. If airlines can figure ways to give useful, reasonably-well patronized service to these communities the subsidies can get smaller and the danger of losing it can lessen. Nothing sadder for a small-community air service advocate like myself to see us spending $2-3m per year to pay for unreliable EAS flights which are little utilized. So this kind of thing is encouraging.



This is also the kind of destination you want to see work. It's a 4.5 hour drive to Denver, 2.5 hour drive to Wichita, and over 2 hours to Manhattan from Hays. No, there aren't many people who live in the huge expanse of western Kansas and eastern Colorado, but this is the kind of service that could significantly enhance the ability to do business in that region.


It really is the middle of nowhere, and is the only quick link to the outside world. I hope it works for them long term. The air service saved my butt last month when I was driving to Denver from OKC for work and my car broke down outside of Hays. I got towed to a repair shop in Hays, and caught the first flight out in the morning. I flew back later in the week to pick my car back up. Cute little airport, and was cool to have the mayor pick me up from the airport (he moonlights as an Uber driver) and take me to my hotel next to the repair shop.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/7/2018:HA Adds LGB; UA adds DEN-ATW/ORF,IAH-CAK/DAY,LAX-ACV,ORD-BIS/SLN,SFO-MSN; AM Drops DEN-MEX

Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:34 pm

MSN-SFO is surprising indeed but I think it has the potential to do well. Epic Software continues to grow at an unbelievable pace and the airport has seemed to support the UA mainline upgrades to DEN and ORD (I suppose DEN would take a hit from this route). Definitely exciting news for us Madisonians!
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Re: OAG Changes 1/7/2018:HA Adds LGB; UA adds DEN-ATW/ORF,IAH-CAK/DAY,LAX-ACV,ORD-BIS/SLN,SFO-MSN; AM Drops DEN-MEX

Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:39 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
Looks like RJ DTW-YUL Is just suspended for the month of June.



Perhaps an earlier start for the DTW-AMN Nonstop
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