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Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:54 am

Somebody broke the L2 door.

A Scoot Boeing 787-8 had its left-front door ripped from the airframe during preparation for routine maintenance at Singapore Changi airport on 7 January.

According to social media reports, the aircraft had rolled backwards when the chocks were removed without the tug attached but with the aerobridge still connected.


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Re: Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:15 am

I'm gonna go ahead and call this one a writeoff.

That is some expensive as hell "routine maintenance."
 
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Re: Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:46 am

yhis can be fixed. I've seen worse! depending on their insurance? the Boeing AOG team can and will for this. I saw them fix an Air China B747sp that had Far worse damage. Those guys are flat out GOOD!! and the Best I've ever seen!
 
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Re: Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:16 am

neomax wrote:
I'm gonna go ahead and call this one a writeoff.


Why? The have been much worse accidents been repaired:

Condor A321 D-AIAF, lamp post fell onto fuselage, fully repaired:
http://european-aviation.net/wp-content ... rash21.jpg
http://pic.carnoc.com/file/151204/15120404115731.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] ... otostream/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/29305260211/

Ethiopian B787 ET-AOP, fire in rear cabin damaging the fuselage, repaired:
http://www.nycaviation.com/newspage/wp- ... /snip6.jpg

And even Singapore Airlines' T7 9V-SWB, where the whole right wing burned up completely was repaired and is back in service:
https://i.imgur.com/sZh8eDQ.jpg
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Re: Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:27 am

Neomax was being sarcastic and refering to Airliners tendency to write off everythinf asap.

Seriously how much woudl this cost to repear?
 
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Re: Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:38 am

I feel like some one is going to lose his job. One would think that there would be procedures to taken into account when moving plane from the gate. But I think that is easy fix. Noting like the other issues mentioned in this thread.
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Re: Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:46 am

devron wrote:
Neomax was being sarcastic and refering to Airliners tendency to write off everythinf asap.

Seriously how much woudl this cost to repear?

Because thus is a composite airplane? I'd say $750K- $1.2M. it wil require the interior fwd of the door to be removed at the least and mabe the door frame repaired.
but I doubt a lot of air frame at this picture. It may take 3-6 weeks to repair after the extent of damage has been revealed. Definitely a LOT of engineering work and paper to be generated.
 
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Re: Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:05 am

conaly wrote:
neomax wrote:
I'm gonna go ahead and call this one a writeoff.


Why? The have been much worse accidents been repaired:

Condor A321 D-AIAF, lamp post fell onto fuselage, fully repaired:
http://european-aviation.net/wp-content ... rash21.jpg
http://pic.carnoc.com/file/151204/15120404115731.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] ... otostream/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/29305260211/

Ethiopian B787 ET-AOP, fire in rear cabin damaging the fuselage, repaired:
http://www.nycaviation.com/newspage/wp- ... /snip6.jpg

And even Singapore Airlines' T7 9V-SWB, where the whole right wing burned up completely was repaired and is back in service:
https://i.imgur.com/sZh8eDQ.jpg


I think he was being sarcastic....
 
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Re: Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:58 am

Sorry, didn't notice the sarcasm.
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Re: Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:04 am

strfyr51 wrote:
devron wrote:
Seriously how much woudl this cost to repear?

Because thus is a composite airplane? I'd say $750K- $1.2M. it wil require the interior fwd of the door to be removed at the least and mabe the door frame repaired.
but I doubt a lot of air frame at this picture. It may take 3-6 weeks to repair after the extent of damage has been revealed. Definitely a LOT of engineering work and paper to be generated.



That is...impressively expensive...it is because of CFRP considerations?...


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Re: Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:23 am

strfyr51 wrote:
yhis can be fixed. I've seen worse! depending on their insurance? the Boeing AOG team can and will for this. I saw them fix an Air China B747sp that had Far worse damage. Those guys are flat out GOOD!! and the Best I've ever seen!

I bet you mean the China Airlines 747SP instead of the Air China ones?

This one shouldn't take too long, it's pretty common these days. And uncommon incidents happen at Changi..... Especially when you have a significantly deteriorated level of profession from SATS!

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Re: Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:42 am

I suspect that the door hinge is designed to fail well before the fuselage is at risk of damage. If so, this should be a quick and (relatively) inexpensive fix limited to a new door assembly to get the plane back into service while the old one is repaired.
 
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Re: Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:11 pm

Wildlander wrote:
I suspect that the door hinge is designed to fail well before the fuselage is at risk of damage. If so, this should be a quick and (relatively) inexpensive fix limited to a new door assembly to get the plane back into service while the old one is repaired.

You are likely correct.
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Re: Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:22 pm

Wildlander wrote:
I suspect that the door hinge is designed to fail well before the fuselage is at risk of damage. If so, this should be a quick and (relatively) inexpensive fix limited to a new door assembly to get the plane back into service while the old one is repaired.


I agree - while the pictures are "impressive" they don't show any damage at all! I would be more interested in seeing the view from the inside to get an idea if it's just broken hinges or if there's serious damage on the door frame...
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Re: Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:18 pm

Wildlander wrote:
I suspect that the door hinge is designed to fail well before the fuselage is at risk of damage. If so, this should be a quick and (relatively) inexpensive fix limited to a new door assembly to get the plane back into service while the old one is repaired.


Quick yes. I dont think there is such a thing as an inexpensive door repair. Ive seen several 320 series door repairs like that in the $200K range.
 
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Re: Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:19 pm

Flaps wrote:
Wildlander wrote:
I suspect that the door hinge is designed to fail well before the fuselage is at risk of damage. If so, this should be a quick and (relatively) inexpensive fix limited to a new door assembly to get the plane back into service while the old one is repaired.


Quick yes. I dont think there is such a thing as an inexpensive door repair. Ive seen several 320 series door repairs like that in the $200K range.


I would definitely think 787 would be north of than figure.
 
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Re: Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:46 pm

Flaps wrote:

Relatively inexpensive as was stated. As compared to fuselage frame damage.
Hard to tell but that door might just need only some really minor repairs after its removed and a new one put in place.
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Re: Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:05 pm

Another question would be "what would it cost NOT to fix?"
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Re: Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:09 pm

So, some airport ramps have inclines where aircraft roll away without chocks? No parking brakes on aircraft either apparently.

Yes, I would hope doors are designed for this situation... where all damage is limited to the door assembly and the fuselage is undamaged.
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Re: Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:23 pm

Utah744 wrote:
Another question would be "what would it cost NOT to fix?"


One roll of duct tape
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Re: Scoot 787 door ripped off at Changi

Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:37 pm

Antarius wrote:
Utah744 wrote:
Another question would be "what would it cost NOT to fix?"


One roll of duct tape

Plus the cost of hauling it to the scrap yard.

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