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Miami ranks by far at the top of any metro for international passengers passing through the airport per capita. When not adjusted for population size, only New York ranks ahead of Miami


Well Miami is already located in one of the two regions it has large amounts of destinations to (Caribbean, Central and South America) and the other being Europe. The majority of those flights to Caribbean, Central and northern tier South America are under 4 hours to many cities that cannot support wide body long haul travel so it stands to reason why Miami is second to New York in international passenger numbers.

I see Miami is more of a regional international destination while New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco are more global. Their international flight portfolio supports that.


You could argue Boston is as diverse in its portfolio these days as SFO.

Miami is a major international hub with only limited gaps in nonstop flights (South & East Asia).

Add in Fort Lauderdale's longhaul flying an you have a really complete route map with many routes or regions sporting competition.


Only limited gaps? Shanghai, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Beijing and Sydney are ranked in the Top 10 of the world’s most important global cities and MIA has no direct flight to any of them. Yeah SFO may lack flights to South America (Even though Panama City is at the SA doorstep) but to not have even one flight to the most populated and largest economies on Earth can’t be overlooked.

Yes a 14 hour flight is far more prestigious than a pond run to a location that nobody outside the region knows or cares about.

When a carrier has to invest two wide body airframes as opposed to a single narrow body it’s much different.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:38 am

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MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
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Well Miami is already located in one of the two regions it has large amounts of destinations to (Caribbean, Central and South America) and the other being Europe. The majority of those flights to Caribbean, Central and northern tier South America are under 4 hours to many cities that cannot support wide body long haul travel so it stands to reason why Miami is second to New York in international passenger numbers.

I see Miami is more of a regional international destination while New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco are more global. Their international flight portfolio supports that.


You could argue Boston is as diverse in its portfolio these days as SFO.

Miami is a major international hub with only limited gaps in nonstop flights (South & East Asia).

Add in Fort Lauderdale's longhaul flying an you have a really complete route map with many routes or regions sporting competition.


Only limited gaps? Shanghai, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Beijing and Sydney are ranked in the Top 10 of the world’s most important global cities and MIA has no direct flight to any of them. Yeah SFO may lack flights to South America (Even though Panama City is at the SA doorstep) but to not have even one flight to the most populated and largest economies on Earth can’t be overlooked.

Yes a 14 hour flight is far more prestigious than a pond run to a location that nobody outside the region knows or cares about.

When a carrier has to invest two wide body airframes as opposed to a single narrow body it’s much different.


Please do not assume that everyone is as uninformed as yourself by writing "to a location that nobody outside the region knows or cares about". Seems that you have very little knowledge of Latin America & the Caribbean, economies, culture, etc. Like any region of the world, it suffers from cycles of prosperity and challenging times, but is by no means a region to ignore. I will remind you of the commonly used acronym BRIC penned in 2001, the B stands for Brazil; Mexico is another sizable economy, Colombia, Peru, and Chile continue growing, etc. Simply because a large portion of the region lies within a few hours distance does not in any way decrease its importance. Rather we can benefit from more frequent flights on smaller aircraft vs 1-2x daily on a widebody. Even so, there is still a significant number of widebody aircraft flown to the region from Miami and New York on a daily basis. Just look at AA's parking lot by the hangar every day. FLL boasts a very impressive list of destinations across the region as well in addition to Europe and the Middle East. I encourage you to visit the region sometime to meet our neighbors.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:43 pm

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No, they have two daily flights now. Right now the only airlines that still do this are LATAM with a couple of 767s and 787s every day, BoA several times a week with a 767, and Avianca with their Brazilian A330.
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Avianca doesn't do it anymore. It flies MIA-GRU 2x a day now with a daylight.


When did that start? As recently as Sunday I saw PR-OCK parked at G16 for the day.
 
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LOT Polish to start Warsaw-Miami service from June 1, 2019. 4 weekly, 787-8.
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:17 pm

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Avianca doesn't do it anymore. It flies MIA-GRU 2x a day now with a daylight.


When did that start? As recently as Sunday I saw PR-OCK parked at G16 for the day.


My bad I thought it had started. November 30th it starts.
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Ethiopian Airlines launches historic cargo route at MIA:
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:38 pm

At least for the dates I am flying in March, AA has upgauged MIA-LAS to a 763 one flight each way. In the past it has been 3 flights a day with a mix of 737, 757 and A321 (replacing the 757 in the last couple of years). First time in a long time I've had the opportunity to book a widebody on a domestic (non-Hawaii) flight other than DL to ATL in at least a decade.
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:37 pm

Air Italy to increase MXP-MIA service from 4 to 5 weekly from the start of the winter season.
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Press release on LOT Polish Airlines: https://news.miami-airport.com/miami-wa ... celebrate/
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Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:38 pm

Effective October 28, Avianca is adding an additional flight to Miami from Bogota. Going from 3 to 4 daily.

AV126 BOG0915 – 1304MIA 333 D
AV127 MIA1524 – 1900BOG 333 D
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:58 pm

Spirit announced plans to launch daily Cali Alfonso-Fort Lauderdale service from December on an A320.
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:35 pm

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Effective October 28, Avianca is adding an additional flight to Miami from Bogota. Going from 3 to 4 daily.

AV126 BOG0915 – 1304MIA 333 D
AV127 MIA1524 – 1900BOG 333 D


So much capacity from MIA/FLL to Colombia it's incredible. In terms of intercontinental city pairs MIA/FLL to BOG must be among the biggest from the US.
 
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:36 pm

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Spirit announced plans to launch daily Cali Alfonso-Fort Lauderdale service from December on an A320.


Right on cue, another flight from south Florida to Colombia.
 
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:50 pm

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
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Effective October 28, Avianca is adding an additional flight to Miami from Bogota. Going from 3 to 4 daily.

AV126 BOG0915 – 1304MIA 333 D
AV127 MIA1524 – 1900BOG 333 D


So much capacity from MIA/FLL to Colombia it's incredible. In terms of intercontinental city pairs MIA/FLL to BOG must be among the biggest from the US.


In terms of number of passengers? I doubt it. That list would be dominated by the JFK/EWR market and in terms of So. Fla, I'm almost certain that LHR/LGW-MIA/FLL and GRU/VCP-MIA/FLL are both bigger.
 
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:04 pm

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MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
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Effective October 28, Avianca is adding an additional flight to Miami from Bogota. Going from 3 to 4 daily.

AV126 BOG0915 – 1304MIA 333 D
AV127 MIA1524 – 1900BOG 333 D


So much capacity from MIA/FLL to Colombia it's incredible. In terms of intercontinental city pairs MIA/FLL to BOG must be among the biggest from the US.


In terms of number of passengers? I doubt it. That list would be dominated by the JFK/EWR market and in terms of So. Fla, I'm almost certain that LHR/LGW-MIA/FLL and GRU/VCP-MIA/FLL are both bigger.


MIA/FLLBOG is definitely top 30 intercontinental city pairs in terms of local traffic. Not very many NYC pairs are bigger - PAR/LON/TLV/FRA/TYO/SEL I would guess.
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:41 pm

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So much capacity from MIA/FLL to Colombia it's incredible. In terms of intercontinental city pairs MIA/FLL to BOG must be among the biggest from the US.


In terms of number of passengers? I doubt it. That list would be dominated by the JFK/EWR market and in terms of So. Fla, I'm almost certain that LHR/LGW-MIA/FLL and GRU/VCP-MIA/FLL are both bigger.


MIA/FLLBOG is definitely top 30 intercontinental city pairs in terms of local traffic. Not very many NYC pairs are bigger - PAR/LON/TLV/FRA/TYO/SEL I would guess.


Ok. I don't doubt that. I wasn't thinking of just local traffic though. I was thinking of all passengers including those who may be using either of the city pairs as a hub for an onward connection.
 
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Re: South Florida aviation thread - 2018

Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:58 pm

AA is upguaging one MIA-ORD-MIA flight to 77W from 12/19/18 to 01/04/19.

MIA-ORD 09:45 12:06 77W
ORD-MIA 13:32 17:35 77W

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Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:16 am

Emirates is yet again decreasing service to FLL. Now down to 4 weekly flights eff. October 28th.

Daily to 4 weekly in less than 2 years.. ouch.
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:51 pm

Rumors floating around that American will start 787 service to MIA next year and LEVEL looking to start Miami.
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:54 pm

New intl route for AA: MIA–SCU - Airbus A319 - Daily - Starts May 3
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Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:34 pm

Does Miami get any AA CRJs? All I've seen in Miami in AA's regional fleet are ERJ-145s and 175s, operated by Envoy and Republic, respectively. Also, do any ERJ-175s use the D60 RJ gates? I was on an ERJ-175 STL-MIA last month, and we parked in the E concourse. The plane was going then to Nashville, so it wasn't making use of any international facilities.
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Does Miami get any AA CRJs? All I've seen in Miami in AA's regional fleet are ERJ-145s and 175s, operated by Envoy and Republic, respectively.

We do not.

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Also, do any ERJ-175s use the D60 RJ gates? I was on an ERJ-175 STL-MIA last month, and we parked in the E concourse. The plane was going then to Nashville, so it wasn't making use of any international facilities.

Yes, majority use those gates. Only a few use E.
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Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:50 pm

American Airlines plans to increase Miami-Grenada frequency to twice weekly eff Dec. 22.
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:47 am

JetBlue to end service on the following routes:

Ft. Lauderdale – Baltimore/Washington eff. January 8th.
Ft. Lauderdale – Detroit eff. January 6th
Ft. Lauderdale - Long Beach (CA) eff. January 8th.
Ft. Lauderdale – Pittsburgh eff. January 8th.
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:48 am

New JetBlue routes from Fort Lauderdale:

Ft. Lauderdale – Phoenix eff February 14, 1 daily, A320
Ft. Lauderdale – St. Maarten eff February 14, 1 daily A320, subject to Government Approval
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:02 pm

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American Airlines plans to increase Miami-Grenada frequency to twice weekly eff Dec. 22.


AA already serves MIA-GND daily.
 
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American Airlines plans to increase Miami-Grenada frequency to twice weekly eff Dec. 22.


AA already serves MIA-GND daily.


Yes, my apologies for not being clearer. This is an additional flight being added.
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:11 am

I noticed that none of the seasonal F9 routes from MIA are coming back this winter, and they’re resuming some of them from FLL instead. I guess we have AA to blame for their aggressive price matching.
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:29 am

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I noticed that none of the seasonal F9 routes from MIA are coming back this winter, and they’re resuming some of them from FLL instead. I guess we have AA to blame for their aggressive price matching.


If that's the case, then I really hope Frontier decides to keep fighting.

MIA would love to see more LCC/ULCC.
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:37 am

Prime Air has launched 2 daily cargo services to MIA.

Press release: https://news.miami-airport.com/mia-welc ... to-expand/
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:36 pm

Could any other ULCC, besides F9, come into MIA? There has to be space in the South Terminal somewhere.
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Could any other ULCC, besides F9, come into MIA? There has to be space in the South Terminal somewhere.

Plenty of space if you come in before rush hour.

If another one does come, it would more than likely be parking at G.
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Could any other ULCC, besides F9, come into MIA? There has to be space in the South Terminal somewhere.



Maybe “Moxy” will give it a shot
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Could any other ULCC, besides F9, come into MIA? There has to be space in the South Terminal somewhere.


The South Terminal gets pretty full in the evenings and there are no spare gates if a flight gets delayed. All week I’ve seen inbound international widebodies holding for gates. On Tuesday, a TAM flight had to park at F and then be towed to J for departure because its gate was occupied.
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:05 pm

Sunwing's Miami service is now available to book. This replaces FLL service.

Montreal (4w) and Toronto (3w) begin December 1st. Quebec City will operate Saturdays and Sundays starting December 8th, and Ottawa operates Saturdays starting December 15th.
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:28 am

New international: Viva Air Colombia to Miami from Santa Marta effective December 18

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SMR-MIA 06:20 09:08 A320
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AR1303 MIA-EZE hits severe turbulence, 10-15 hurt. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1406467
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:40 am

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Could any other ULCC, besides F9, come into MIA? There has to be space in the South Terminal somewhere.


I thought NK might eventually leave FLL due to B6 and WN competition. Many Latin routes would fit as well if not better from MIA. But for whatever reason they're still growing FLL and now growing MCO.

In the three-way battle at FLL something has to give soon you would think with increasing fuel costs. While B6 and WN have certainly done some tweaking in the last few weeks, neither seems ready to pull back - in fact despite the B6 cuts to DTW/BWI/LGB/PIT it seems they're doubling-down on higher-performing FLL routes.

MIA does need an ULCC to keep AA in check. I'm worried soon AA will shoot fares again particularly for more business-oriented routes through the roof
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:49 am

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Sunwing's Miami service is now available to book. This replaces FLL service.

Montreal (4w) and Toronto (3w) begin December 1st. Quebec City will operate Saturdays and Sundays starting December 8th, and Ottawa operates Saturdays starting December 15th.


Wow, I had no idea WG was leaving FLL completely in favor of MIA, I wonder why the change? They've been flying to FLL for many, many years and it is very convenient with the cruise terminal being only a few miles away. Personally I prefer FLL over MIA, I always drive down to the Keys from FLL every year, tried it one year out of MIA and I've never been back, such a nightmare with the car rental and all the ramps, highways and traffic. It is however a nice airport to connect in, at least with AA.

I have noticed that Air Transat has upped their capacity this winter in FLL, This winter is x5 weekly from YYZ & YUL (was x3 last year) YQB-FLL now x4 weekly (x3 last year) and new this year YHZ-FLL x2 weekly. Service is a mix of 737-700/800 and A321's from YQB.
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:10 am

Royal Air Maroc opens Miami reservations.
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Could any other ULCC, besides F9, come into MIA? There has to be space in the South Terminal somewhere.


I thought NK might eventually leave FLL due to B6 and WN competition. Many Latin routes would fit as well if not better from MIA. But for whatever reason they're still growing FLL and now growing MCO.

In the three-way battle at FLL something has to give soon you would think with increasing fuel costs. While B6 and WN have certainly done some tweaking in the last few weeks, neither seems ready to pull back - in fact despite the B6 cuts to DTW/BWI/LGB/PIT it seems they're doubling-down on higher-performing FLL routes.

MIA does need an ULCC to keep AA in check. I'm worried soon AA will shoot fares again particularly for more business-oriented routes through the roof


AA would eviscerate any ULCC that tried to set up shop in MIA. They were successful in keeping Frontier from expanding any further by constantly matching their $25-$50 one way tickets. Plus, there’s no room for Spirit’s international operations.
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:49 pm

The ULCC would need to be strategic in entering into MIA. Spirit was able to make huge inroads into ORD and DFW and is now the 3rd largest at ORD. You would need to pick a market not already served by AA out of MIA and then add slowly so you can muscle for the fight.
 
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The ULCC would need to be strategic in entering into MIA. Spirit was able to make huge inroads into ORD and DFW and is now the 3rd largest at ORD. You would need to pick a market not already served by AA out of MIA and then add slowly so you can muscle for the fight.


The largest U.S. metropolitan areas without any nonstop service to MIA are Portland (OR), Sacramento, Milwaukee, Oklahoma City, Salt Lake City, and Rochester (NY). However, SLC already has nonstop service to FLL on DL and B6, and WN will be resuming MKE-FLL nonstop service on November 4th.

AVL, ACY, LBE, IAG, OAK, and PDX are currently the only airports served by NK that currently don't have any nonstop service to MIA, but ACY, LBE, and OAK are all located near airports that already have nonstop service to MIA on AA. NK also already serves FLL nonstop from AVL, ACY, LBE, and IAG.

G4 also serves BVL in Greater St. Louis, LCK in Greater Columbus (OH), and USA/KJQF in Greater Charlotte, but G4 already serves FLL nonstop from BVL, LCK, and USA.

WN also serves secondary commercial airports such as DAL, MDW, BUR, ONT, SNA, and OAK that don't have any nonstop service to MIA, but WN does already serve FLL nonstop from DAL and MDW. There are also currently no ULCC's serving DAL or BUR.

Asheville and Greater Portland (OR) are the only U.S. markets served by NK that currently don't have nonstop service to MIA on AA, and the remaining U.S. markets served by NK already have nonstop service to MIA on AA on at least a seasonal basis.
 
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Winter season starts today.
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Re: South Florida aviation thread - 2018

Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:43 pm

I wonder if we'll ever see new service of significance from PBI? FLL's rising costs and congestion doesn't seem to have slowed the airport - growth might be down but major service cuts haven't happened yet. PBI continues to struggle for service. It's so bad now I know many family and friends in Palm Beach County who don't even look for flights from PBI anymore, just fly out of FLL unless they have to fly from MIA. Combination of lack of service and high fares.
 
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Re: South Florida aviation thread - 2018

Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:30 pm

The bulk of business in South Florida is Miami Dade and Broward based. Given traffic patterns few want to deal with PBI.
 
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Re: South Florida aviation thread - 2018

Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:42 pm

EL AL started 787-9 service today.

More weekly flights should be coming soon.
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