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TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:00 am

Just wondering if anyone knows how this route performs? It seems a very unusual route for an airline like TK to be operating.

Obviously with the large network TK operates they can feed this flight from all over the world, so it is not simply Turkish O&D. However, the economy of somalia is in tatters, so what market is this flight targeting? VFR? Cargo? Diplomatic & aid workers? It seems that most tourism and travel to Somalia goes via Hargeisa in Somaliland due to the more stable environment in that region, so what is the Mogadishu flight targeting and how has it done since its launch?
 
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:07 am

"Somalia is one of our most profitable destinations worldwide," Mustafa Ozkahraman, Kenya country manager for Turkish Airlines.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/mobile.reu ... SKCN1BN1CZ

It operates via Djibouti.

No doubt has a good mixture of pax.
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:14 am

Its a very fruitful flight. Its even been upgauged to A340 on occasion.

Flight carry Somalia diaspora from Europe and US, along with government, NGO, media, military traffic, etc

TK is quite adept at making routes to troubled nations such as Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Somalia which most others avoid make work and generate some of the networks highest profits.
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:06 am

They had a huge problem with human trafficking / people travelling on fake & borrowed passports on the route but they seem to have gotten it under control over the last few years...
 
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:15 am

chrisp390 wrote:
VFR? Cargo? Diplomatic & aid workers? It seems that most tourism and travel to Somalia goes via Hargeisa in Somaliland due to the more stable environment in that region, so what is the Mogadishu flight targeting and how has it done since its launch?

Many Somali 'refugees' from Europe return to Somalia for vacation. As TK is one of the few options many Somali's from Europe will use that option. See i.e. https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article19298066.ab
 
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:15 am

Turks seem to be experts at making sweet lemonade on routes other deem to be lemons.
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:36 am

From what I recall Turkey built the airport at Mogadishu, and that it is also providing assistance to the government of Somalia. TK provides a consistent service and good onward connections, and can likely command higher fares given the lack of competition. I am sure Ethiopian is keen to get in on it, but security and political concerns between Ethiopia and Somalia won't let us see that for a time to come.
 
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:04 am

Wasn't this the same route a 757 had a bomb go off which almost destroyed the whole aircraft?
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:29 am

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Wasn't this the same route a 757 had a bomb go off which almost destroyed the whole aircraft?


That was an A321 belonging to Daallo Airlines in February 2016.
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:50 am

Any route that is a monopoly and profitable is a good one. They can charge what they like, because what are the other options.?
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:51 am

paullam wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Wasn't this the same route a 757 had a bomb go off which almost destroyed the whole aircraft?


That was an A321 belonging to Daallo Airlines in February 2016.


Yes it was an A321 now you've said I remember.
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:33 am

A random search shows that LHR-IST-JIB-MGQ and back in April is around £1,000 with TK.
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:35 am

My cousin works at that airport and I can tell they have a tide security. He told me that during the 2 years he's been there, only got a chance to go out for a few times. And also there is an UN base close by, makes it much more safer. He told me that only concerns are incoming small planes from inside the country or some African cities.

Is it profitible? If you even consider they work in that airport, their company has to pay almost 2.000.-USD for round trip. I think much more profitable than most EU destinations.
 
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:43 am

African destinations with few competitors used to be the most profitable routes for EU Legacy airlines such as Air France and BA, TK likes to take risks, their flights to Kabul, Bagdad(first ones to restart flights there) and this Mogadishu route as many said above are very profitable. I wonder what kind of special precautions are being done for safety of crew etc.
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:31 am

There was a Wall Street Journal article years ago, that discussed how a lot of African destinations are very profitable for European carriers for various reasons.

A Somali friend explained to me that Turkey and Somalia worked together on improving the airport.

The Somalia route for TK could certainly be called a special "niche."
 
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:18 am

[email protected] wrote:
"Somalia is one of our most profitable destinations worldwide," Mustafa Ozkahraman, Kenya country manager for Turkish Airlines.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/mobile.reu ... SKCN1BN1CZ

It operates via Djibouti.

No doubt has a good mixture of pax.


That's so surprising! I would have thought that the insurance rates for their aircraft to these types of destinations would be too high.
 
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:49 am

Just because there’s a war on doesn’t mean a city of 3 million (Hargeisa is only 1 million) doesn’t have trade. People still need to buy and sell stuff — food, machinery, concrete, gadgets, etc — so plenty of business traffic; and visiting friends and relatives.

As for insurance, I am sure THY can get covered by the Turkish government, they’re not going to let national strategic goals be derailed because the airline can’t get liability insurance.
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:57 pm

[email protected] wrote:
"Somalia is one of our most profitable destinations worldwide," Mustafa Ozkahraman, Kenya country manager for Turkish Airlines.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/mobile.reu ... SKCN1BN1CZ

It operates via Djibouti.

No doubt has a good mixture of pax.


One of the world's most profitable destination worldwide for TK? I doubt that. A daily or weekly 737 service is not close to being the most profitable in my mind. I'm sure TK is more profitable in TLV then they are in Somalia.
 
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:07 pm

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One of the world's most profitable destination worldwide for TK? I doubt that. A daily or weekly 737 service is not close to being the most profitable in my mind. I'm sure TK is more profitable in TLV then they are in Somalia.

Why a daily 737 route can't be the most profitable one and it must be those with multiple frequencies? On a route that they have almost next to no competition, they can charge whatever like, and selling 150 seats at $500 surely earns more money than selling 600 seats at $100! And that's before we consider all the operational costs associated with flying 600 seats around instead of 150.

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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:18 pm

NichCage wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
"Somalia is one of our most profitable destinations worldwide," Mustafa Ozkahraman, Kenya country manager for Turkish Airlines.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/mobile.reu ... SKCN1BN1CZ

It operates via Djibouti.

No doubt has a good mixture of pax.


One of the world's most profitable destination worldwide for TK? I doubt that. A daily or weekly 737 service is not close to being the most profitable in my mind. I'm sure TK is more profitable in TLV then they are in Somalia.


Not even close:

Lowest fare LHR-TLV = $426 RT
Lowest fare LHR-MGQ = $1405 RT

TLV may have more volume but it also has much more competition. MGQ has significantly higher fares (3 TLV RT = 1 MGQ RT)
 
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:40 pm

NichCage wrote:
One of the world's most profitable destination worldwide for TK? I doubt that. A daily or weekly 737 service is not close to being the most profitable in my mind. I'm sure TK is more profitable in TLV then they are in Somalia.


There are multiple ways to measure profitability. One can measure gross profits (i.e. a multiple daily route to TLV might produce more total profit) or profit margin (i.e. the route to MGQ most likely produces much higher margins, or profit per ticket sold, even with higher costs).
 
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:35 am

Noticing that TK686/7 MGQ service is a tag-on to IST-JIB service, I would not be surprised if the crew change occurs in JIB rather than MGQ. The plane only stays on the ground in MGQ for about one hour. That said, why not use an A320 instead of a B738 (so that cargo can be contained in LD3-45 containers)?

As for TK, they're the only airline serving MGQ whose main connections aren't to NBO, and neither KQ nor ET serve MGQ. The real surprise is that MGQ can support daily service rather than 4-5 times weekly (while being JIB terminator service on other days). This is how TK is able to serve more countries than any other airline---right-sizing the equipment.
 
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:22 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
That said, why not use an A320 instead of a B738 (so that cargo can be contained in LD3-45 containers)?


Containerized cargo requires more equipment for loading & unloading. In a station with one daily flight and most likely low local wages, it may be more cost-effective to just have the bins loaded/unloaded manually.
 
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:29 pm

Can Mogadishu sustain a direct IST flight without the Djibouti stop. Or is it due to security concerns?
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Re: TK Performance on Istanbul - Mogadishu, Somalia route?

Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:13 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Noticing that TK686/7 MGQ service is a tag-on to IST-JIB service, I would not be surprised if the crew change occurs in JIB rather than MGQ. The plane only stays on the ground in MGQ for about one hour.


You’re correct. The crew rotation is IST-JIB, 24 hour layover, then JIB-MGQ-JIB-IST.

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