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Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:59 pm

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I thought this Air India thing was a disaster and Jaitley was responsible for this? So is this a good thing or bad? Or the good parts are due to Raju and the bad due to Jaitley?

Raju can fix the planes is a good thing. Full credit to Raju for the impending A320NEO's engine fix.


Jaitley is Modi's soulmate like Malik is to Khilji. No one else can do his dirty deeds without question like Jaitley.

Raju is from one of the most charitable royal families in India, please don't compare.
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Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:26 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
vadodara wrote:

I thought this Air India thing was a disaster and Jaitley was responsible for this? So is this a good thing or bad? Or the good parts are due to Raju and the bad due to Jaitley?

Raju can fix the planes is a good thing. Full credit to Raju for the impending A320NEO's engine fix.


Jaitley is Modi's soulmate like Malik is to Khilji. No one else can do his dirty deeds without question like Jaitley.

Raju is from one of the most charitable royal families in India, please don't compare.


I thought Raju's job was to 'fix' the mess called aviation; not run a charity with a $5bb govt. bailout (hint, hint!).

But since Babu badly needs some charity, he and Raju are definitely made for each other.
 
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Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:27 pm

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The govt. stake is down to 24% where it retains no rights to make 'management' decisions.

A lot of people are getting this wrong: The government can't influence management decisions as a minority 24% shareholder. 76% is all that you need to run the company as you deem fit.


One bad apple will spoil the whole basket. GoI shouldn't have even 1% stake, otherwise, they will make the management's life miserable. Imagine a Neta or Babu on new AI board, representing GEDC aka PMO.


You dont understand Indian corporate laws, @ 24% stake GoI cannot do anything. It is smart move.

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Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:33 pm

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Vistara's 20th A320 is on its delivery flight en route DEL. With this the airline becomes eligible to fly international.


Well I hope they order some widebodies.

Good news! How long until they go international?

I hope they are sensible and fly NEO longhaul. With the SQ alliance, they do not need the range as of now.

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Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:48 pm

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You dont understand Indian corporate laws, @ 24% stake GoI cannot do anything. It is smart move.

Subu


India has laws? There are questions about Indian judicial system and Supreme Court's autonomy. When was the last time Indian parliament had a session? Speaker supposed to above politics.

Just don't throw boilerplate responses and bring out forum rulebook.
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Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:56 pm

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Good news! How long until they go international?

I hope they are sensible and fly NEO longhaul. With the SQ alliance, they do not need the range as of now.

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'Second half of the year' as claimed by the CEO, so probably they'll start intl ops in the winter schedule. They're looking at destinations in the range of the neo as of now.
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Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:04 pm

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You dont understand Indian corporate laws, @ 24% stake GoI cannot do anything. It is smart move.

Subu


India has laws? There are questions about Indian judicial system and Supreme Court's autonomy. When was the last time Indian parliament had a session? Speaker supposed to above politics.

Just don't throw boilerplate responses and bring out forum rulebook.


These cases would first go to NCLT. Please see below link and educate yourself. This process is typically faster( as in couple of years, rather than decades it takes in other civil and criminal cases in India).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... w_Tribunal

I have no comment on your other opinions.

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Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:47 pm

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These cases would first go to NCLT.


Yet another unconstitutional Khilji enterprise.

Do you think Delta, QR, or IAG would bid with GoI its fingers in the cookie jar?

This whole global competitive bid is a pony show, no one other than Tatas will bid.
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Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:21 am

Jet Airways has finalised order for 75 additional 737 MAX. With this the airline has 150 MAX aircraft on order.
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Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:07 am

AI126 grounded in ORD due to crack on leading edge flap of the wing.

Air India flight grounded at Chicago airport due to technical glitch

"AI 126 of 3rd April ORD-DEL is grounded at ORD (Chicago O'Hare International Airport) due to technical reasons. Passengers will be accommodated on AI 126 OF 4th April," the Air India said in a tweet.

"The engineers during an inspection of the aircraft found a crack on the leading edge flap on the wing, resulting in the grounding of the aircraft at Chicago airport," a source said. Other details could not immediately be known.
 
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Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:34 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
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These cases would first go to NCLT.


Yet another unconstitutional Khilji enterprise.

Do you think Delta, QR, or IAG would bid with GoI its fingers in the cookie jar?

This whole global competitive bid is a pony show, no one other than Tatas will bid.


I dont see how it is unconstitutional, when it is the law. Let us see who bids and what they bid for.

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Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:17 pm

Tarun Shukla(Livemint) tweeted about some sort of industrial action by 6E ground staff at Varanasi.

https://twitter.com/shukla_tarun/status ... 2070972416
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Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:58 pm

With the recent Jet Airways order Indian carriers have ordered a whopping 951 next gen narrow body aircraft! (incl committed leases)
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Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:21 pm

The 737 MAX offers a very compelling range; it would appear that Jet Airways is planning to have a life other than funneling traffic to 3 European hubs.
 
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Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:29 pm

I've heard from livefromalounge that Jet airways will start on board wifi internet service once DGCA allows it. They already have wifi on board 737s but its just to connect to their server and have their IFE in our device.
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Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:16 pm

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I've heard from livefromalounge that Jet airways will start on board wifi internet service once DGCA allows it. They already have wifi on board 737s but its just to connect to their server and have their IFE in our device.

Wait, how many different government agencies has to approve inflight wifi? I thought TRAI already approved it.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:08 am

Is there any scope of widebody operated Gulf routes from LKO?
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:41 am

AI privatisation update of the day: CMD meets union representatives
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 616073.cms

The unions are naturally opposed to the privatisation as they can't hold the airline to ransom once it slips from government control.
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:56 am

https://m.economictimes.com/industry/tr ... 607908.cms
So this is our "financially sound" and "well run" airline. I think the above case is worse than 9W or AI 's.
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:10 am

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I think the above case is worse than 9W or AI 's.

It is the manpower agency that has not paid the wages. How exactly is IndiGo at fault here?
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:19 am

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Is there any scope of widebody operated Gulf routes from LKO?

Saudia operates A330 to Jeddah right?
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:35 am

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binayak wrote:
I think the above case is worse than 9W or AI 's.

It is the manpower agency that has not paid the wages. How exactly is IndiGo at fault here?

I think even 6E has a responsibility whether their staff which have been outsourced to them is being paid properly. Protests don't arise overnight. Maybe it was an issue for months..........
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:59 am

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I've heard from livefromalounge that Jet airways will start on board wifi internet service once DGCA allows it. They already have wifi on board 737s but its just to connect to their server and have their IFE in our device.


Will it be free?
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:16 am

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binayak wrote:
I've heard from livefromalounge that Jet airways will start on board wifi internet service once DGCA allows it. They already have wifi on board 737s but its just to connect to their server and have their IFE in our device.


Will it be free?

JetStream (inflight Ife over wifi) is free but I don't expect the same for full wifi ..
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:24 am

Brisbane airport shut down after passenger writes Bomb to Brisbane instead to Bombay to Brisbane
http://www.newsweek.com/airport-shutdow ... bay-872765
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:45 pm

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Brisbane airport shut down after passenger writes Bomb to Brisbane instead to Bombay to Brisbane
http://www.newsweek.com/airport-shutdow ... bay-872765


Good impetus to change "BOM" to "MUM" or "MMB".
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:45 pm

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unrave wrote:
Brisbane airport shut down after passenger writes Bomb to Brisbane instead to Bombay to Brisbane
http://www.newsweek.com/airport-shutdow ... bay-872765


Good impetus to change "BOM" to "MUM" or "MMB".


Ah NO. It's BOM, has always been and always should. BOMB happened like once in 40 years. Let it be before we have raasta rokos
 
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It is going to be Tata. Everything points to it.
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:17 pm

Nira Radia has done her groundwork, This in hindsight will be the reason why Indigo will survive (and lets hope thrives). I think Ratan Tata needs to stop letting his passions cloud his judgments.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:38 pm

The more I read about that woman, the more I'm impressed. If the SIA do indeed end up financing the acquisition they would definitely have seen value in the airline.
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:15 pm

Indigo had no need for the domestic arm and possibly Air India Express; they really needed the overseas slots plus Delhi/Mumbai. Essentially for the govt., how to unload the former Indian Airlines?

If Tata/SQ pick this up, they actually do the govt. a favor.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:24 pm

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From your link: Also, as we have communicated before, we do not believe that we have the capability to take on the task of acquiring and successfully turnaround all of Air India’s airline operations, the statement added.

I believe the criteria made AI an uneconomical acquizition. Who remains as a confirmed bidder? Did Tata/SQ formalize their bid?

To my knowledge, no one else formalized their bid. Did anyone else?


sibibom wrote:
Nira Radia has done her groundwork, This in hindsight will be the reason why Indigo will survive (and lets hope thrives). I think Ratan Tata needs to stop letting his passions cloud his judgments.

I'm confused by the current terms for Air India. I do not see the business case for a bid. But as an enthusiast, I would like to see the airline survive.

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Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:31 pm

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Nira Radia has done her groundwork, This in hindsight will be the reason why Indigo will survive (and lets hope thrives). I think Ratan Tata needs to stop letting his passions cloud his judgments.

I'm confused by the current terms for Air India. I do not see the business case for a bid. But as an enthusiast, I would like to see the airline survive.

Lightsaber


The business case is pretty good not necessarily for Indigo.

Indigo is all A32X fleet; Air India is a hodgepodge of 747, 777, 787, 737 and A32X. Even Air India Express, which fits in Indigo's model is 737. All Indigo wanted were slots to LHR, DXB, HKG and so forth.

Any other carrier that wants to expand in India, AI is a gold mine. In addition to above, it has slots at both BOM and DEL.

If you want to play in a fast growing market, this is the last play.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:36 pm

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It is going to be Tata. Everything points to it.


Great! Path of least disruption for all parties involved. Hopeful that UK will be merged into AI. With AI's network, UK's product (assuming they can successfully scale it), and SQ's management expertise, we may finally get a competently-run airline in India!
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Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:48 am

Air Asia India has taken delivery of its 17th A320. Like most of its fleet this aircraft too used to fly with its Malaysian parent. Interesting to note that I5 is the only Indian airline that hasn't placed an order for next gen NB aircraft. Instead it has issued an RFP to lease 40 A320ceos
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Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:19 am

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Air Asia India has taken delivery of its 17th A320. Like most of its fleet this aircraft too used to fly with its Malaysian parent. Interesting to note that I5 is the only Indian airline that hasn't placed an order for next gen NB aircraft. Instead it has issued an RFP to lease 40 A320ceos

Which gives me an idea of just what AirAsia India's future is going to be like. It will only act as a feeder to AirAsia's larger ops and will have 50-60 aircraft in its fleet at the most.
They are saving money on fleet commonality (no new engine type from NG aircraft) and cheap leases on used A320Ceo.

So Tata owned airlines now operate 37 a/c in only 3 years of operations, which is again incredible!
 
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Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:39 am

vadodara wrote:
Lightsaber wrote:
sibibom wrote:
Nira Radia has done her groundwork, This in hindsight will be the reason why Indigo will survive (and lets hope thrives). I think Ratan Tata needs to stop letting his passions cloud his judgments.

I'm confused by the current terms for Air India. I do not see the business case for a bid. But as an enthusiast, I would like to see the airline survive.

Lightsaber


The business case is pretty good not necessarily for Indigo.

Indigo is all A32X fleet; Air India is a hodgepodge of 747, 777, 787, 737 and A32X. Even Air India Express, which fits in Indigo's model is 737. All Indigo wanted were slots to LHR, DXB, HKG and so forth.

Any other carrier that wants to expand in India, AI is a gold mine. In addition to above, it has slots at both BOM and DEL.

If you want to play in a fast growing market, this is the last play.

Who else has officially noted they will bid?

I hear rumors of various white knights, but nothing as definitive as Indigo bidding and then bowing out.

Who else has a compatible fleet? Whomever buys AI will have to rationalize the fleet.

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Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:05 am

Almost every single news outlet says the employees of ground handling agency for Indigo went on strike. Yet to see a credible report saying Indigo hasn't paid the ground handling agency on time or is directly responsible for strikes by employees.

IndiGo support staff at Varanasi airport go on strike over wages hike


IndiGo staff go on strike at Varanasi airport

56 IndiGo support staffers go on strike at Varanasi airport over salary issue

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Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:19 am

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Yet to see a credible report saying Indigo hasn't paid the ground handling agency on time or is directly responsible for strikes by employees.

Credible proof is for lesser mortals. We have 'insider contact' remember? Our word has to be treated as the Gospel. Don't you dare ask for our claims to be substantiated.

blrsea wrote:
The Lutyens brigade has very little insights into current govt and everything is a guess, throwing multiple things hoping something will stick. Everyone can come up with their fantasies and call it word on the street hoping it will spread.

Their desperation is comical.

blrsea wrote:
I doubt Tatas will make a serious bid. They do have fingers in both Vistara and Air Asia. Do they want another one? I am not sure. Air India of today is not the same as that four decades back. There is a very good chance there may be zero bids too, or someone with deep pockets like one of the ME3.

A long term play that I can think of is a Tata-SIA joint acquisition and a merger with Vistara years down the line.
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Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:49 am

I would personally be happy if my taxpayer money goes to Tata as AI management rather than govt as AI management
 
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Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:14 am

IndiGo has filed a clarification with BSE regarding staff trouble at Varanasi airport. It confirms what has been reported: the issue is between the manpower agency and the employees.PDF here
I guess this should satisfy the resident IndiGo bashers.
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Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:24 pm

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Do you think Nira Radia doesn't work with politicians of every hue? Do you think Nano plant in Gujarat for peanuts happened cos of good will?

The way Air India bid is shaping up, it has Tata written all over it(literally no one else will even bid at this rate, but obviously they will prop up a dummy to legitimize the process) And with Ratan at the helm now, Nira ain't too far behind.

And Vistara need Air India's slot to be a meaningful player in the metros, plus the nostalgia of taking back what was once theirs


How did you come to this conclusion? Even if Nano was given the land free, the subsequent development it brought probably made that deal a wash.

Yes, Air India sits on some very valuable slots where there is unmet demand yet end's up loosing money.


So the government can give lands for free to everyone?(especially a profitable business house with great means), seems arbitrary no? And it seems they will get Air India too, after rules were changed to drive others away. After deciding to sell Air India in parts, its funny how that just changed overnight, all to favour one company.
 
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Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:03 pm

Forcing a single bidder situation by gaming the system is a scam.

Indigo may be an LCC, may not be interested in Dom ops, still, it is far superior to a highly leveraged conglomerate with no skills in the aviation business.

By throwing in a bunch of weird conditions, basically, GoI pushed 6E out.
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Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:13 pm

This is topic on Indian aviation. Please keep posts on topic and civil.
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Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:45 am

The sorry state of government run airports in the country:
https://www.moodiedavittreport.com/the- ... -airports/
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Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:23 am

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The sorry state of government run airports in the country:
https://www.moodiedavittreport.com/the- ... -airports/


Exaggerate much? The major government run airports in India are still serving their major purpose of acting as gateways between passengers and aircraft, and growing rapidly. The lack of focus in transforming them into glorified shopping malls on similar lines to BOM and DEL does not mean they are in a "sorry state". Once again, they are airports; not shopping centers.
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The major government run airports in India are still serving their major purpose of acting as gateways between passengers and aircraft, and growing rapidly. The lack of focus in transforming them into glorified shopping malls on similar lines to BOM and DEL does not mean they are in a "sorry state". Once again, they are airports; not shopping centers.


Govt run airports most often fail at providing basic facilities to travellers. They should start with maintaining clean toilets.
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unrave wrote:
globetrotter94 wrote:
The major government run airports in India are still serving their major purpose of acting as gateways between passengers and aircraft, and growing rapidly. The lack of focus in transforming them into glorified shopping malls on similar lines to BOM and DEL does not mean they are in a "sorry state". Once again, they are airports; not shopping centers.


Govt run airports most often fail at providing basic facilities to travellers. They should start with maintaining clean toilets.


That is not a govt vs privately run problem, it is a developing world (particularly South Asian) problem. I find the toilets at DEL and CCU about equally disgusting.
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unrave wrote:
globetrotter94 wrote:
The major government run airports in India are still serving their major purpose of acting as gateways between passengers and aircraft, and growing rapidly. The lack of focus in transforming them into glorified shopping malls on similar lines to BOM and DEL does not mean they are in a "sorry state". Once again, they are airports; not shopping centers.


Govt run airports most often fail at providing basic facilities to travellers. They should start with maintaining clean toilets.


That is not a govt vs privately run problem, it is a developing world (particularly South Asian) problem. I find the toilets at DEL and CCU about equally disgusting.


CCU, I can understand given the unionised commie workforce who don't want to work. I am surprised about DEL though. BLR and HYD airport toilets are always clean whenever I have used them. They typically assign one janitor to each toilet who checks and cleans it regularly and wipes the floor for spilt water.

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Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos