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Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:01 am

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With NZ wet lease of Hifly aircraft ending end of January apparently the repairs to 787 engines are going to take alot longer than anticipated. Rumour has it that they will dry lease some 777, who would these dry leases come from?
 
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Dalavia
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:13 am

Why would they not just extend the HiFly leases if this is so?
 
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:14 am

Probably from an airline with a 777 available for dry lease.

Why would it matter which airline?
 
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:16 am

So they won’t extend Hifly at all?

Dry lease means NZ crew can fly them right?

I did hear somewhere maybe 2-3 772’s, ex SQ? MH have several stored, may need a bit spent to get them flying again.

Wonder if they are to worried about configuration?

There is a few EK 77W’s coming off lease but may require heavy maintenance first.
 
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:17 am

The HiFly lease doesn't finish in January. I have heard the 777 rumours, but I haven't found anyone yet to substantiate.
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:19 am

jetero wrote:
Probably from an airline with a 777 available for dry lease.

Why would it matter which airline?


Well which airlines have any available?

Who said it mattered which airline they come from? NZ may not take aircraft in certain configurations.
 
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:20 am

Is there an ETA on putting the affected 789's back in service?
 
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:22 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
jetero wrote:
Probably from an airline with a 777 available for dry lease.

Why would it matter which airline?


Well which airlines have any available?

Who said it mattered which airline they come from? NZ may not take aircraft in certain configurations.


Well you guys on the inside must have figured it out by now. It’s not like there’s a long list.
 
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:26 am

AAvgeek744 wrote:
Is there an ETA on putting the affected 789's back in service?


You must mean ETS (Estimated Time Servicable).

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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:30 am

jetero wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
jetero wrote:
Probably from an airline with a 777 available for dry lease.

Why would it matter which airline?


Well which airlines have any available?

Who said it mattered which airline they come from? NZ may not take aircraft in certain configurations.


Well you guys on the inside must have figured it out by now. It’s not like there’s a long list.


I’m certainly not on the inside, no there’s probably not a long list although there are plenty of 777’s around I’d say they will want them airworthy or no maintenance required anytime soon. Let’s see what they decide.
 
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:35 am

Dalavia wrote:
Why would they not just extend the HiFly leases if this is so?


Really depends on how long the HiFly aircraft are available e.g. they got them are short-notice over the Christmas period, probably typically an quite time for HiFly.

If they we're to be doing an dry lease - one would think it might be for an period longer than an couple of months maybe for some short-term expansion e.g. trying some more routes out.

They might still own the Y seats that just got replaced from the 77W, which could probably be reused.
 
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:42 am

http://www.myairlease.com/available/ava ... _lease_777

Looks like there are a couple of 2002 ex-SQ 77E's out there on the market - might be still owned by one of SQ's holding companies too!
 
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:46 am

Thought Virgin might have assisted. They have a lot of A332’s on transcontinental that could be easily subbed with a 737. Id imagine they would have a fairly hefty asking price though.
 
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:45 am

Looks like HiFly are gonna get really busy, what with covering some Norwegian flights as well. Bet they are quietly thanking RR for the business !
 
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:21 pm

I'd love to know how many airlines with 787 are having problems with the trent and having to sub in other aircraft? Just how big does this get? Do we know for sure that existing engines are not likely to degrade in the same way? So far all I've heard about is BA, VS, NH, DU and NZ for the 789 and TG for the 788. So far, no news about Lattam yet they are an RR operator which received aircraft around the time of the affected NZ aircraft.

As for dry-lease options I imagine NZ may not have a lot to choose from. SQ seems obvious, maybe also TG, given both carriers are receiving new aircraft and are existing regional operators of 772, 773 and 77W. I wonder who else? Could be interesting.
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:39 pm

How long will each aircraft be out of service?
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:41 pm

MoKa777 wrote:
How long will each aircraft be out of service?


It was expected a couple of months wait on replacement engines, the 3x 789s parked up at AKL have been there since around the 5-6 December.
 
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:43 pm

AirbusA322 wrote:
Thought Virgin might have assisted. They have a lot of A332’s on transcontinental that could be easily subbed with a 737. Id imagine they would have a fairly hefty asking price though.


NZ/VA aren't really 'Friends' anymore - they get together to make the Tasman work although that is as far as they go.

Also VA's 332 now also do the MEL-HKG route, which will use up some of the slack in there fleet.
 
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:57 pm

EK413 wrote:
AAvgeek744 wrote:
Is there an ETA on putting the affected 789's back in service?


You must mean ETS (Estimated Time Servicable).

EK413


OK, so is there an estimated time the the 789's that are not is service will return to flying?
 
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:04 pm

AAvgeek744 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
AAvgeek744 wrote:
Is there an ETA on putting the affected 789's back in service?


You must mean ETS (Estimated Time Servicable).

EK413


OK, so is there an estimated time the the 789's that are not is service will return to flying?


Nothing public that I’m aware of, I would say months, particularly if they are looking to lease additional capacity albeit to replace the Hifly aircraft, peak of the peak season will be over by the time this happens.
 
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:36 pm

AAvgeek744 wrote:
Is there an ETA on putting the affected 789's back in service?


Well I mean VS have leased 4 A332's for a year to cover for theirs which gives somewhat of an idea (although I don't know if their engines are more severely affected than NZ's)
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:47 pm

I would imagine that the affected airlines are going to want some substantial compensation from RR.
 
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Re: Rumour NZ might dry lease 777

Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:26 am

TC957 wrote:
Looks like HiFly are gonna get really busy, what with covering some Norwegian flights as well. Bet they are quietly thanking RR for the business !


Hifly & EuroAtlantic did very good business out of Norwegian Long Haul's many teething problems as they introduced the 787s.

zkncj wrote:
MoKa777 wrote:
How long will each aircraft be out of service?


It was expected a couple of months wait on replacement engines, the 3x 789s parked up at AKL have been there since around the 5-6 December.


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