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KGRB wrote:"At 190,000 square feet, the facility in Milwaukee will be SkyWest's largest maintenance facility as measured by square footage. It will run 24 hours a day and has capacity to service up to 12 aircraft at a time."
SkyWest already has a much-smaller hangar on the southwest side of the airfield, so this is a huge expansion for them. Between OO and ZW's existing maintenance base there, MKE will certainly be bustling with RJ MX activity over the coming years.
mke717spotter wrote:KGRB wrote:"At 190,000 square feet, the facility in Milwaukee will be SkyWest's largest maintenance facility as measured by square footage. It will run 24 hours a day and has capacity to service up to 12 aircraft at a time."
SkyWest already has a much-smaller hangar on the southwest side of the airfield, so this is a huge expansion for them. Between OO and ZW's existing maintenance base there, MKE will certainly be bustling with RJ MX activity over the coming years.
I hope this doesn't mean we're going to lose mainline flights as they try to cycle RJs through here for maintenance.
In other news, DL and AS are both upgrading SEA-MKE to mainline in the coming months.
GSPSPOT wrote:Hopefully the current seasonal SAN & SFO flts on WN will run longer or become year-round once more new planes come online.
kiowa wrote:GSPSPOT wrote:Hopefully the current seasonal SAN & SFO flts on WN will run longer or become year-round once more new planes come online.
It is a sad comparison between the outstanding airline "Midwest Express" and the low budget airline "Southwest". Milwaukee lost a true gem when Midex went out of business. I now avoid MKE and prefer ORD.
UWPAviation wrote:kiowa wrote:GSPSPOT wrote:Hopefully the current seasonal SAN & SFO flts on WN will run longer or become year-round once more new planes come online.
It is a sad comparison between the outstanding airline "Midwest Express" and the low budget airline "Southwest". Milwaukee lost a true gem when Midex went out of business. I now avoid MKE and prefer ORD.
It is sad, we do not have any year round Cali service. Besides the Southwest flight to LAX. Which has poor times.
With Alaska moving to mainline service for there Seattle route I would love to see them open up daily SFO flight with the acquisition of Virgin and a daily LAX flight.
planespotter20 wrote:Madison is getting a new nonstop flight from UA... to SFO!!
UWPAviation wrote:It is sad, we do not have any year round Cali service. Besides the Southwest flight to LAX. Which has poor times.
With Alaska moving to mainline service for there Seattle route I would love to see them open up daily SFO flight with the acquisition of Virgin and a daily LAX flight.
knope2001 wrote:With Frontier's Austin and Raleigh that makes 15 new nonstop cities from MKE since last March:
mke717spotter wrote:knope2001 wrote:With Frontier's Austin and Raleigh that makes 15 new nonstop cities from MKE since last March:
When did we get a SJD flight? I don't see it on MKE's website and its not listed on the Apple Vacations MKE flight schedule.
http://www.applevacations.com/flight-sc ... milwaukee/
knope2001 wrote:Milwaukee is losing DAL next month (moving to HOU) and there's no guarantee MIA and IWA will come back next winter. But it's still quite a nice jump, hopefully a trend which continues.
ADrum23 wrote:Will WN ever come to MSN or is Madison too small of a market for WN?
77H wrote:ADrum23 wrote:Will WN ever come to MSN or is Madison too small of a market for WN?
Good question. Madison and it’s immediate “suburbs” are home to over 300,000 people. The Madison MSA is over 500,000 people. WN serves smaller markets than MSN but is surrounded by larger markets already served by WN like MKE and it’s largest station MDW all within driving distance which makes it less likely.
Beyond that, not sure what markets WN would serve from MSN that are not already well covered by AA, DL, F9 and UA. MSN is very well connected for a market it’s size with nonstops to a majority of the US3 hubs and one-stop connectivity to countless destinations with F9 offering nonstops to a few popular leisure markets.
All that said, the more I type the more I start to think it’s likely that MSN may not see a new carrier for some time. I think AS would be the most likely next entrant into the MSN market with E75 service to SEA. Probably a long shot given they already serve MKE and ORD but if I’m not mistaken MKE is being upgauged to mainline which I take to mean the route is a decent performer. Perhaps that success is cause for AS to continue to explore options in the region.
Would be interesting to know what the top 5-10 markets are from MSN that aren’t already served nonstop.
77H
knope2001 wrote:Since this is a Wisconsin thread and not only Milwaukee here is how 2017 traffic is looking through October for out-state airports:
Through October:
...Green Bay
420,166 -3.4%
Appleton
412,314 +2.3%
...Appleton surpasses Green Bay in some months and I suspect they may pull ahead, but in essence they’ve been pretty much on par for several years. ...I wonder how much of the decrease seen in Green Bay and Wausau comes from people using IMT and RHI instead of driving down to GRB or CWA ...
knope2001 wrote:Madison is definitely on the margins for Southwest -- some of its peers do have service but most who do were inherited from AirTran or have been with Southwest 20+ years.
Here are some airports for comparison:with 2016 US ranking and traffic:
#79 TUL 2.6m
#80 GRR 2.6m
#82 BHM 2.6m
#83 DSM 2.4m
#84 ROC 2.3m
#85 SAV 2.1m
#86 DAY 2.0m
#87 PSP 2.0m
#88 MHT 2.0m
#89 GSP 2.0m
#90 SYR 2.0m
#91 LIT 1.9m
#94 MSN 1.8m
#95 TYS 1.7m
#96 PWM 1.7m
#97 GSO 1.7m
#98 PNS 1.6m
#99 ICT 1.6m
#101 FAT 1.5m
#104 CAK 1.3m
#105 XNA 1.3m
#106 COS 1.3m
#108 LEX 1.3m
#109 ISP 1.2m
Of course Southwest service would stimulate the market and bump traffic up a bit, but this set of airports is pretty familiar in Southwest route discussions over the years. They fall into four general categories:
1. "Will Southwest Add...."Freano, Colorado Springs, Lexington, Greensboro, etc.....the answer has been no
2. "But Southwest already serves..." Manchester, Islip, Little Rock, etc..... it was a very different Southwest back then
3. Smaller former AirTran stations always rumored to be in trouble...Wichita, Des Moines, Greenville, etc.....likely Southwest would not have added these without the merger
4. Smaller former AirTran stations which Southwest decided not to serve, either dropped before merger or after Southwest gave it a try....Akron, Lexington, Dayton, Knoxville
Now there's long been talk that someday Southwest needs to figure out how to serve stations in this range. The banked hub at STL has been part of the answer and many years of "Southwest needs to get a smaller aircraft" talk has been nothing more than talk. It's not out ot the realm of possibility Southwest could add Madison with something like 2x STL and 1x PHX or LAS, but so far they have found ample growth opportunities without adding new, likely-marginal stations on the small end like Madison.
knope2001 wrote:Madison is definitely on the margins for Southwest -- some of its peers do have service but most who do were inherited from AirTran or have been with Southwest 20+ years.
Of course Southwest service would stimulate the market and bump traffic up a bit, but this set of airports is pretty familiar in Southwest route discussions over the years. They fall into four general categories:
1. "Will Southwest Add...."Freano, Colorado Springs, Lexington, Greensboro, etc.....the answer has been no
2. "But Southwest already serves..." Manchester, Islip, Little Rock, etc..... it was a very different Southwest back then
3. Smaller former AirTran stations always rumored to be in trouble...Wichita, Des Moines, Greenville, etc.....likely Southwest would not have added these without the merger
4. Smaller former AirTran stations which Southwest decided not to serve, either dropped before merger or after Southwest gave it a try....Akron, Lexington, Dayton, Knoxville
Now there's long been talk that someday Southwest needs to figure out how to serve stations in this range. The banked hub at STL has been part of the answer and many years of "Southwest needs to get a smaller aircraft" talk has been nothing more than talk. It's not out ot the realm of possibility Southwest could add Madison with something like 2x STL and 1x PHX or LAS, but so far they have found ample growth opportunities without adding new, likely-marginal stations on the small end like Madison.
jplatts wrote:Correction to #3: WN did not acquire GSP through the WN-FL merger, but announced plans to serve GSP right after the FL acquisition by WN. WN also used to serve BWI, MDW, HOU, and BNA nonstop from GSP, but WN now only serves ATL nonstop from GSP.
jplatts wrote:knope2001 wrote:Fresno is the largest U.S. city proper that is not currently served by WN, and the Fresno metropolitan area is the largest metropolitan area in the contiguous U.S. that is not currently served by WN. In addition, Fresno is located further from an airport served by WN than Madison is, and both of these factors make WN service to FAT more likely than WN service to MSN.
yeogeo wrote:Green Bay Airport's own figures for 2017 are out and, although the stats show only enplanements, they show the decrease in numbers are mainly due to a considerable drop in charter numbers (down 17% - a stat I cannot explain - perhaps someone here can?) and a large drop in Delta's numbers (also cannot explain). This, I think is certainly more of a reason for the pax decline at GRB than leakage to IMT and RHI.
http://www.flygrb.com/sites/default/fil ... tats_0.pdf
knope2001 wrote:Charters I can explain -- the LSU-Badger game in September 2016 added a boatload of additional charter passengers beyond the normal NFL bump in charter numbers at GRB. There were also a few more gambling charters in early 2016 than early 2017.
The Delta drop is harder to explain, but I keep coming back to the UP....
davescj wrote:In MKE DL had a club (taken over from NW) in terminal E. When DL moved to D, they took the Midwest Express "Best Care Club" (which was the only club in their system if memory serves). Has anyone else opened a club in E? I thought United might open something since they have a decent number of flights there, the club space isn't super large so the price should be (relatively) reasonable.
davescj wrote:In MKE DL had a club (taken over from NW) in terminal E. When DL moved to D, they took the Midwest Express "Best Care Club" (which was the only club in their system if memory serves). Has anyone else opened a club in E? I thought United might open something since they have a decent number of flights there, the club space isn't super large so the price should be (relatively) reasonable.
kiowa wrote:davescj wrote:In MKE DL had a club (taken over from NW) in terminal E. When DL moved to D, they took the Midwest Express "Best Care Club" (which was the only club in their system if memory serves). Has anyone else opened a club in E? I thought United might open something since they have a decent number of flights there, the club space isn't super large so the price should be (relatively) reasonable.
A United club in Milwaukee is doubtful. United just pulled their Cleveland flight. Now I have to drive to ORD to get to CLE. I don’t fly that often to Cleveland but would rather use MKE.
knope2001 wrote:kiowa wrote:davescj wrote:In MKE DL had a club (taken over from NW) in terminal E. When DL moved to D, they took the Midwest Express "Best Care Club" (which was the only club in their system if memory serves). Has anyone else opened a club in E? I thought United might open something since they have a decent number of flights there, the club space isn't super large so the price should be (relatively) reasonable.
A United club in Milwaukee is doubtful. United just pulled their Cleveland flight. Now I have to drive to ORD to get to CLE. I don’t fly that often to Cleveland but would rather use MKE.
Not willing to take Southwest's nonstops to Cleveland? Frequent flyer credit??
jplatts wrote:Will UA ever add nonstop service to IAD from MKE and MSN? Wisconsin is the 2nd most populous U.S. state after Maryland that doesn't have any nonstop service to IAD. UA also has nonstop service to IAD from other Midwestern states, including Minnesota, Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, and Ohio. WN is also currently the only airline to have nonstop service to Washington, D.C. from MKE, and WN serves BWI and DCA nonstop from MKE. DL is also currently the only airline to serve DCA nonstop from MSN.
The lack of UA nonstop service to IAD from MKE and MSN is a hole in the UA network, especially with UA serving IAD nonstop from other Midwestern states and with MKE and DCA currently only having nonstop service to Washington, D.C. on only 1 airline. The lack of UA nonstop service to IAD from MSN is a bigger hole than the lack of UA nonstop service to MKE is with MSN being located in the capital city of Wisconsin and with the lack of WN service out of MSN. UA should add MKE-IAD and MSN-IAD nonstop service.
yeogeo wrote:Some nasty flying weather for the upper Midwest today
GRB 73% cancelled
MKE 15%
ATW 10%
MSN 8%
MSP is at 18% cancelled - yesterday was worse there I guess.
ORD is at only 2%
Here in Door County we’re in a blizzard: 50 m/hr winds with 1-2 feet of new snow flying around.
https://flightaware.com/live/cancelled
MKE22 wrote:http://www.omaha.com/money/onejet-ends-omaha-to-milwaukee-service-after-months/article_b5d06b74-7f5b-5f1d-bc76-86d1e5bf6d0b.html
MKE-OMA getting the axe after just 6 months as well, wasn't sure if that was mentioned yet.
knope2001 wrote:yeogeo wrote:Some nasty flying weather for the upper Midwest today
GRB 73% cancelled
MKE 15%
ATW 10%
MSN 8%
MSP is at 18% cancelled - yesterday was worse there I guess.
ORD is at only 2%
Here in Door County we’re in a blizzard: 50 m/hr winds with 1-2 feet of new snow flying around.
https://flightaware.com/live/cancelled
Sounds pretty brutal for flying, or driving, or anything. From how things look snow-wise this is already among the biggest snowstorms for Green Bay ever recorded.MKE22 wrote:http://www.omaha.com/money/onejet-ends-omaha-to-milwaukee-service-after-months/article_b5d06b74-7f5b-5f1d-bc76-86d1e5bf6d0b.html
MKE-OMA getting the axe after just 6 months as well, wasn't sure if that was mentioned yet.
The rep also stated they hoped to have all Milwaukee flying on the larger RJ's by later this year. Elsewhere another participant posted OneJet planning for four ER3 this year, though that story (which was PIT-centric) did not state an intention to have all the business jet flying gone by end of year.
Midwestindy wrote:knope2001 wrote:yeogeo wrote:Some nasty flying weather for the upper Midwest today
GRB 73% cancelled
MKE 15%
ATW 10%
MSN 8%
MSP is at 18% cancelled - yesterday was worse there I guess.
ORD is at only 2%
Here in Door County we’re in a blizzard: 50 m/hr winds with 1-2 feet of new snow flying around.
https://flightaware.com/live/cancelled
Sounds pretty brutal for flying, or driving, or anything. From how things look snow-wise this is already among the biggest snowstorms for Green Bay ever recorded.MKE22 wrote:http://www.omaha.com/money/onejet-ends-omaha-to-milwaukee-service-after-months/article_b5d06b74-7f5b-5f1d-bc76-86d1e5bf6d0b.html
MKE-OMA getting the axe after just 6 months as well, wasn't sure if that was mentioned yet.
The rep also stated they hoped to have all Milwaukee flying on the larger RJ's by later this year. Elsewhere another participant posted OneJet planning for four ER3 this year, though that story (which was PIT-centric) did not state an intention to have all the business jet flying gone by end of year.
Article April 12, 2018.
http://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-News ... -see-snags
"OneJet plans to have four ERJ 135s in service this summer, and Maguire said the carrier expects to be operating 75% of its flights with the 30-seat craft by the end of the year."
MKE22 wrote:http://www.omaha.com/money/onejet-ends-omaha-to-milwaukee-service-after-months/article_b5d06b74-7f5b-5f1d-bc76-86d1e5bf6d0b.html
MKE-OMA getting the axe after just 6 months as well, wasn't sure if that was mentioned yet.