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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:09 pm

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For anyone around O’Hare in the next hour or so, United has a 787-10 inbound from PAE that should be parking at T1. Heard the City may bring out the water cannons.


I assume this is a delivery flight? Wonder why they are delivering it to ORD and where it will go from here.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:14 pm

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And last and least is CVG with just 4 flights all on CRJ 200s.
Can’t see CVG lasting once BOS comes on line in September. Even if they have corporate contracts, UA and AA are using more comfortable aircraft with better schedules and DL isn’t fighting back, they used to run all 900s on CVG just a few years ago. Plus they’re going to need some space, if not in September than for next summer.


All of the destinations that DL serves nonstop from CVG are already served nonstop out of ORD, and in addition, WN also already has nonstop service out of MDW to most of the destinations that DL serves nonstop from CVG. Passengers can also already connect to East Coast destinations from CHI on DL through DTW, ATL, or LGA.

I agree that DL might drop CVG-ORD nonstop service, even though DL still has nonstop service to some destinations other than hubs or focus cities out of CVG, since most of the passengers on DL's CVG-ORD nonstop flights are traveling solely between CVG and ORD. On the other hand, AA, UA, and WN offer connections from CVG to destinations that aren't served nonstop from CVG through Chicago.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:49 pm

United787 wrote:
wn676 wrote:
For anyone around O’Hare in the next hour or so, United has a 787-10 inbound from PAE that should be parking at T1. Heard the City may bring out the water cannons.


I assume this is a delivery flight? Wonder why they are delivering it to ORD and where it will go from here.



It is scheduled to depart tonight as UA2764 ORD-FRA info on flight number is: Position Ferry or Operational Confirmation-Line Crew.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:09 am

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United787 wrote:
wn676 wrote:
For anyone around O’Hare in the next hour or so, United has a 787-10 inbound from PAE that should be parking at T1. Heard the City may bring out the water cannons.


I assume this is a delivery flight? Wonder why they are delivering it to ORD and where it will go from here.



It is scheduled to depart tonight as UA2764 ORD-FRA info on flight number is: Position Ferry or Operational Confirmation-Line Crew.

Another one B78X N17002 is still on the ground and scheduled for departure tomorrow around noon to LAX.
Also AN-12B visited ORD today and it is enoute now to YYT as CVK7122 (UR-CJN).
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:39 am

_AA_777_MAN wrote:
United787 wrote:
wn676 wrote:
For anyone around O’Hare in the next hour or so, United has a 787-10 inbound from PAE that should be parking at T1. Heard the City may bring out the water cannons.


I assume this is a delivery flight? Wonder why they are delivering it to ORD and where it will go from here.



It is scheduled to depart tonight as UA2764 ORD-FRA info on flight number is: Position Ferry or Operational Confirmation-Line Crew.


This would be the ETOPS proving run that was postponed last week from EWR.

The inbound PAE-ORD was a flight scheduled for employees as a “delivery flight” but this was actually the first -10 that United took delivery of from CHS and was inducted at IAD.

I believe 1002 that’s been sitting over at the hangar has an event scheduled at B16 tomorrow.
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:04 am

I saw 1002 on Monday that did some run around ORD after arrival from IAD.
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:32 pm

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The inbound PAE-ORD was a flight scheduled for employees as a “delivery flight” but this was actually the first -10 that United took delivery of from CHS and was inducted at IAD.

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That is correct.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:14 pm

American just announced three new routes out of O’Hare.

Daily service between ORD and MHT (Manchester, NH) beginning June 7th using the CRJ-700.

Daily seasonal service between ORD and FCA (Kalispell, MT) using the EMB-175.

Saturday only seasonal service between ORD and DRO (Durango, CO) using the CRJ-700.

The link to the article is below.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bizjou ... s.amp.html
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:09 pm

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American just announced three new routes out of O’Hare.

Daily service between ORD and MHT (Manchester, NH) beginning June 7th using the CRJ-700.

Daily seasonal service between ORD and FCA (Kalispell, MT) using the EMB-175.

Saturday only seasonal service between ORD and DRO (Durango, CO) using the CRJ-700.

The link to the article is below.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bizjou ... s.amp.html


Manchester and Durango will make the 225th and 226th destination with a direct flight for O'Hare, according to these lists:

https://www.flychicago.com/ohare/myflig ... fault.aspx

...assuming of course that there are no more additions/subtractions by the time they begin.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:31 pm

yeogeo wrote:
TWA1985 wrote:
American just announced three new routes out of O’Hare.

Daily service between ORD and MHT (Manchester, NH) beginning June 7th using the CRJ-700.

Daily seasonal service between ORD and FCA (Kalispell, MT) using the EMB-175.

Saturday only seasonal service between ORD and DRO (Durango, CO) using the CRJ-700.

The link to the article is below.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bizjou ... s.amp.html


Manchester and Durango will make the 225th and 226th destination with a direct flight for O'Hare, according to these lists:

https://www.flychicago.com/ohare/myflig ... fault.aspx

...assuming of course that there are no more additions/subtractions by the time they begin.


Ah, another Lewis Lazare article taking subtle jabs at UA......... :roll:

Didn't UA cut Manchester (NH) recently? What makes AA think they can be successful on the route?
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:59 pm

Outside of HHH next year, what other route has UA announced from ORD in 2019?

AA announced more cities at ORD today and DL and NK have announced more in the last few months. Doug, Ed and others must be thrilled that UA is so focused on SFO while ORD is relegated to 50 seaters and 767s.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:06 pm

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Ah, another Lewis Lazare article taking subtle jabs at UA......... :roll:


hmmm, indeed! I can see it coming: "American continues to add routes left and right to O'Hare while Chicago's hometown airline adds routes to every United hub *except* O'Hare."
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:44 pm

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Outside of HHH next year, what other route has UA announced from ORD in 2019?

AA announced more cities at ORD today and DL and NK have announced more in the last few months. Doug, Ed and others must be thrilled that UA is so focused on SFO while ORD is relegated to 50 seaters and 767s.


As of now, nothing else. It appears growth is coming in frequencies only.

yeogeo wrote:
hmmm, indeed! I can see it coming: "American continues to add routes left and right to O'Hare while Chicago's hometown airline adds routes to every United hub *except* O'Hare."


I get it, I'm also really frustrated by UA's lack of attention to ORD as of late, but his articles are poor journalism. All you need to do is report the facts (which the media in general seems incapable of doing these days), which is AA added routes out of ORD. Good for them, but what's the point of trying to bash UA in the process? If you want to address them, write an opinion piece.
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:13 am

Another russian made aicraft (I know, Antonov is Ukrainian) is on the way to ORD. VDA1521 from PAE will land in 30 minutes.
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:27 am

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Another russian made aicraft (I know, Antonov is Ukrainian) is on the way to ORD. VDA1521 from PAE will land in 30 minutes.


https://fr24.com/VDA1521/1edc71e2
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:58 pm

An article in the Sun-Times this morning on Musk's O'Hare to downtown tunnel, and the junket of VIP's from Chicago to LA for a demonstration and perhaps a ride? Shows pretty clearly the status of the project at the moment which seems... tentative.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/elon- ... s-angeles/

The Hawthorne tunnel project they'll be visiting here:
https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-the ... -students/
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:17 pm

yeogeo wrote:
An article in the Sun-Times this morning on Musk's O'Hare to downtown tunnel, and the junket of VIP's from Chicago to LA for a demonstration and perhaps a ride? Shows pretty clearly the status of the project at the moment which seems... tentative.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/elon- ... s-angeles/

The Hawthorne tunnel project they'll be visiting here:
https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-the ... -students/


Where is this tunnel going to come out at ORD, will it be near the existing Blue Line station or somewhere else?

I'm with the many skeptics on this project, though not for the reasons you make think. I would be beyond thrilled if they could pull it off, but Chicago politics may derail (no pun intended) this.
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:15 pm

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Where is this tunnel going to come out at ORD, will it be near the existing Blue Line station or somewhere else?


Well it's a good question, but to my knowledge it's not public information where they might construct a station. Would be all ears if anyone knows the thinking.

There's going to be a lot of construction in the next few years so obviously there'd be a lot of options: one central station or several; we might speculate...

Although the Blue Line Station is central, it's also a relatively long walk and they may not want to associate themselves with the L - you'll be paying a premium for their service, after all. Plus its inconvenient to T-5.

I think ideally, access would be in the non-secure area of the future Global Terminal (connected with the T-3 and Satellite Terminals' access tunnel?) and another in the Terminal 5 complex (the building itself or the planned T-5 garage & hotel?). ...but what do I know. Perhaps a number of access entryways connecting to the main station?
 
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Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:20 pm

KX is returning today to ORD after some brake. Today operating on brand new B38M VP-CIW as CAY504 ETA10.50a.
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Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:16 pm

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KX is returning today to ORD after some brake. Today operating on brand new B38M VP-CIW as CAY504 ETA10.50a.

Does anyone know what their schedule will be? What days and for how long into the season?
 
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Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:33 pm

Planeboy17 wrote:
gabik001 wrote:
KX is returning today to ORD after some brake. Today operating on brand new B38M VP-CIW as CAY504 ETA10.50a.

Does anyone know what their schedule will be? What days and for how long into the season?


Checked schedules into the summer and here’s how they stand at the moment:

Through 6 Feb Cayman Airways operates nonstop from O’Hare on Wed/Sun (KX505 depORD 12:15/arr GCM 17:15hrs).
Effective 14Feb KX operates Thurs/Sun; Thurs until 30 May, Sun into September, which is as far as I checked.

AA & UA both operate nonstops on Sat through March with UA continuing into August
UA adds Sun effective Feb17 though April and goes X2 Sat on March 16/23/30 only.
AA resumes GCM with Mon/Wed/Fri/Sat in June, less frequently through the summer.

Some pretty heavy competition for the Turtle - hopefully he'll hang on.

 
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Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:19 pm

Got her on 27L arrival. Landed earlier than scheduled at 10.35a.
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:59 am

yeogeo wrote:
Planeboy17 wrote:
gabik001 wrote:
KX is returning today to ORD after some brake. Today operating on brand new B38M VP-CIW as CAY504 ETA10.50a.

Does anyone know what their schedule will be? What days and for how long into the season?


Checked schedules into the summer and here’s how they stand at the moment:

Through 6 Feb Cayman Airways operates nonstop from O’Hare on Wed/Sun (KX505 depORD 12:15/arr GCM 17:15hrs).
Effective 14Feb KX operates Thurs/Sun; Thurs until 30 May, Sun into September, which is as far as I checked.

AA & UA both operate nonstops on Sat through March with UA continuing into August
UA adds Sun effective Feb17 though April and goes X2 Sat on March 16/23/30 only.
AA resumes GCM with Mon/Wed/Fri/Sat in June, less frequently through the summer.

Some pretty heavy competition for the Turtle - hopefully he'll hang on.
Thanks for the info yeogeo!
They’ve been plying this route for a quite a while now, maybe 10 years or so, so hopefully they can stick it out.

 
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Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:09 am

^^ don't you love the editing tool ! :hissyfit:
 
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Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:48 am

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^^ don't you love the editing tool ! :hissyfit:

Yeah, still getting used to posting.
Does it show? :D
 
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Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:00 pm

I'm bringing this conversation over from another thread because I thought it was more relevant here (with apologies to jcwr56 & stigph).

jcwr56 wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
jcwr56 wrote:
Preferential gates will be reviewed on an annual basis starting in April 2021. Everyone needs to understand, T1 does not equal UA, T3 does not equal AA. In its' simplest terms you have preferential gates and common use gates airport wide. It's also known not every Star and Oneworld will be housed at the OGT. In the ordinance, both UA and AA have to declare which carriers they want to have on their preferential gates. If they don't declare, they'll be placed on common use gates...You very well could have both Preferential and common use gates at the OGT.

This common use mixing with preferred gate thing: It's a concept which will take some time to get used to. Pardon my ignorance, but is this a system in use in the US elsewhere? Won't it lead to smaller carriers having to jump around from terminal to terminal or are they assigned even common use gates for a longish period of time?

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...in all the reading I've done regarding the new Terminal 2 - Global terminal, there's no text stating *all* Star Alliance and One World carriers will be moving over.

No, you're right in that. It's just not known yet who those O'Hare Global Terminal tenants will be (well, I'd have some guesses). What I should have said that all the Star and OneWorld members are candidates for the OGT.


Actually, it means ANY carrier could be shuffled around on a seasonal basis between terminals. There's nothing preventing UA or AA being assigned to common use gates in any of the terminals if they can't self gate on their own preferential. Just as any carrier can be gated on a preferential gate if an accommodation request is made.

As construction starts, you'll see changes to where airlines are gated. There's no choice in the matter.


Maybe I'm not grasping the concept but this just makes me wonder how check-in will be handled. From the passenger's point of view, won't this create situations where one checks into Terminal 1 and you end up having to truck it over to your flight leaving from Terminal 3?
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:46 pm

yeogeo wrote:
I'm bringing this conversation over from another thread because I thought it was more relevant here (with apologies to jcwr56 & stigph).

jcwr56 wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
This common use mixing with preferred gate thing: It's a concept which will take some time to get used to. Pardon my ignorance, but is this a system in use in the US elsewhere? Won't it lead to smaller carriers having to jump around from terminal to terminal or are they assigned even common use gates for a longish period of time?


No, you're right in that. It's just not known yet who those O'Hare Global Terminal tenants will be (well, I'd have some guesses). What I should have said that all the Star and OneWorld members are candidates for the OGT.


Actually, it means ANY carrier could be shuffled around on a seasonal basis between terminals. There's nothing preventing UA or AA being assigned to common use gates in any of the terminals if they can't self gate on their own preferential. Just as any carrier can be gated on a preferential gate if an accommodation request is made.

As construction starts, you'll see changes to where airlines are gated. There's no choice in the matter.


Maybe I'm not grasping the concept but this just makes me wonder how check-in will be handled. From the passenger's point of view, won't this create situations where one checks into Terminal 1 and you end up having to truck it over to your flight leaving from Terminal 3?


It's common use space, so with it comes gates, ticket counters and the such....There's some protections in the ordinance that will prevent say a carrier being assigned on C21 as an accommodation but having to check in at T5 or vis a vis. They would have counter space at T1 as joint use space. 3rd party ground handlers are allowed to work on ramp space too.

The key to all of this is this takes place twice a year during the scheduling periods. Any new entrant that wants to start service after each scheduling period is gated on common use space.

We won't get into daily oversight and use of common use and preferential gates during Irops.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:23 pm

jcwr56 wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
I'm bringing this conversation over from another thread because I thought it was more relevant here (with apologies to jcwr56 & stigph).

jcwr56 wrote:

Actually, it means ANY carrier could be shuffled around on a seasonal basis between terminals. There's nothing preventing UA or AA being assigned to common use gates in any of the terminals if they can't self gate on their own preferential. Just as any carrier can be gated on a preferential gate if an accommodation request is made.

As construction starts, you'll see changes to where airlines are gated. There's no choice in the matter.


Maybe I'm not grasping the concept but this just makes me wonder how check-in will be handled. From the passenger's point of view, won't this create situations where one checks into Terminal 1 and you end up having to truck it over to your flight leaving from Terminal 3?


It's common use space, so with it comes gates, ticket counters and the such....There's some protections in the ordinance that will prevent say a carrier being assigned on C21 as an accommodation but having to check in at T5 or vis a vis. They would have counter space at T1 as joint use space. 3rd party ground handlers are allowed to work on ramp space too.

The key to all of this is this takes place twice a year during the scheduling periods. Any new entrant that wants to start service after each scheduling period is gated on common use space.

We won't get into daily oversight and use of common use and preferential gates during Irops.

If there is competition between carriers for the same "preferential" gates, is there criteria to evaluate who gets it or is it on a first come-first served basis?
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:26 pm

Just read in the Air Italy announced MXP-YYZ thread that they apparently are going to add ORD as well beginning in May, 3 a week.
There is a Reuters article to substantiate it.
I’m not sophisticated enough to drag from there to here but it says that the CEO made the statement about service to ORD.
Seems strange that it has taken nearly 20 years to get back a MXP nonstop when there used to be 2 carriers (AA, AZ) that flew it and 3 carriers flying to FCO the last several years.
I hope they’re successful!
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:20 pm

Great news for ORD! I used to be able to name all of the foreign carriers at ORD, now would be a struggle.
 
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:36 am

In separate topic there is a link to Air Italy press release.
IG will start ORD on May 14, 2019. ETA @4.25pm on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays. [email protected] 6.25pm
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:58 am

Huh - flights from Malpensa to O'Hare; not a route I would have predicted.


Summer 2019 at T-5 is going to be wild.
 
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:30 am

Mr. Lazare picks up the story of IG (yes, another IATA code to get used to) and its Qatar connection:

https://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/new ... j=85618101

A Reuters article, "Air Italy flights to Chicago risk rekindling row with U.S. carriers", has this rather blunt quote:

“Once again, Qatar is using Air Italy as a Trojan horse built from subsidized cash to avoid its commitments to the Trump administration and launch new ... routes,” said Scott Reed, campaign manager for the Partnership for Open & Fair Skies.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ital ... SKBN1OH1NY
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:51 pm

Noticed in the latest revision to the FAA ORD diagram that Z as an exit for 27R arrivals is back in use (due to construction, previously there was no way for a/c to access SS on their way to the terminals so the whole thing was closed off at the west end of 27R/9L.

Image

Also some new taxiways around the new de-icing pad: extensions to AA & BB as well as some brand new ones: BB1 and BB2.

There's also some new stuff south of the NE Cargo Ramp. Check it out for yourself:
https://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/1813/0016 ... ddest=(ORD)
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:09 pm

Does anyone know how well Ethiopian and Air New Zealand are doing on their ORD routes?

Also, what became of the rumors of Philippines Airlines flying to ORD?
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United Adds 7 new Chicago Routes

Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:54 pm

United announced 7 new non-stop routes from Chicago fro summer 2019

Eugene. Daily
Redmond. Daily
Grand Junction. weekend
Halifax. Daily
Destin. weekend
Durango. weekend
Panama City Beach weekend
 
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:05 pm

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United announced 7 new non-stop routes from Chicago fro summer 2019


https://hub.united.com/2018-12-19-the-m ... 61409.html

Halifax is interesting -has YHZ ever been flown nonstop from ORD before? I don't believe so.
 
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:14 pm

yeogeo wrote:
Trk1 wrote:
United announced 7 new non-stop routes from Chicago fro summer 2019


https://hub.united.com/2018-12-19-the-m ... 61409.html

Halifax is interesting -has YHZ ever been flown nonstop from ORD before? I don't believe so.


Yes UA did serve YHZ, i think it may have been Saturday or weekend only service.
Living in LA, ORD/MDW will always be home!
 
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:43 pm

timberwolf24 wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
Trk1 wrote:
United announced 7 new non-stop routes from Chicago fro summer 2019


https://hub.united.com/2018-12-19-the-m ... 61409.html

Halifax is interesting -has YHZ ever been flown nonstop from ORD before? I don't believe so.


Yes UA did serve YHZ, i think it may have been Saturday or weekend only service.


Ah,I knew I was asking the right crowd for this question!
So summer only now but daily... interesting.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:56 pm

AmricanShamrok wrote:
jcwr56 wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
I'm bringing this conversation over from another thread because I thought it was more relevant here (with apologies to jcwr56 & stigph).



Maybe I'm not grasping the concept but this just makes me wonder how check-in will be handled. From the passenger's point of view, won't this create situations where one checks into Terminal 1 and you end up having to truck it over to your flight leaving from Terminal 3?


It's common use space, so with it comes gates, ticket counters and the such....There's some protections in the ordinance that will prevent say a carrier being assigned on C21 as an accommodation but having to check in at T5 or vis a vis. They would have counter space at T1 as joint use space. 3rd party ground handlers are allowed to work on ramp space too.

The key to all of this is this takes place twice a year during the scheduling periods. Any new entrant that wants to start service after each scheduling period is gated on common use space.

We won't get into daily oversight and use of common use and preferential gates during Irops.

If there is competition between carriers for the same "preferential" gates, is there criteria to evaluate who gets it or is it on a first come-first served basis?


I don't care what the agreement is going to say. There is now way, that AA or UA would not be allowed to continue to operate with first rights of gates/terminals. This is more for the NK, FF, B6, etc of ORD that have limited routes and limited labor. UA and AA have over 10k of workers in the Chicago area, they are not going to put them in line behind other carriers for anything. UA runs the show at ORD, that has been and will be the case as long as they keep it a hub. AA is a close second, but still plays second fiddle to UA. The rest of the airlines are just cast members.

yeogeo wrote:

Summer 2019 at T-5 is going to be wild.


I have a feeling Air Italy will be flying in later in the day and leaving later at night. There is just no room for another airline at T5 between 2-7pm.

Trk1 wrote:

United announced 7 new non-stop routes from Chicago fro summer 2019

Eugene. Daily
Redmond. Daily
Grand Junction. weekend
Halifax. Daily
Destin. weekend
Durango. weekend
Panama City Beach weekend


There was some people that were upset last week at UA for not adding Int'l service out of ORD. Well, here ya go...YHX. IN all seriousness, this, IMHO, is much better then more of the same Int'l cities that are already served being added by UA. I would rather have UA serving the US, Mexico, and Canada and let their partners do the rest of the world. UA touches almost every major city in the US out of ORD and all the major cities in Canada. That to me is an airline that serves Chicago's best interests.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:41 pm

piedmontf284000 wrote:
I have a feeling Air Italy will be flying in later in the day and leaving later at night. There is just no room for another airline at T5 between 2-7pm.

Look at the link: they are scheduled to arrive at 4:25pm and depart at 6:25pm.
https://www.airitaly.com/cms/deploy/1/I ... 202018.pdf


piedmontf284000 wrote:
There was some people that were upset last week at UA for not adding Int'l service out of ORD. Well, here ya go...YHX.

Wow YHX? That's a first! Gjoa Haven in Nunavut - Must flights for the seal hunt crowd.
(I think you mean YHZ).
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:45 pm

AmricanShamrok wrote:
jcwr56 wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
I'm bringing this conversation over from another thread because I thought it was more relevant here (with apologies to jcwr56 & stigph).



Maybe I'm not grasping the concept but this just makes me wonder how check-in will be handled. From the passenger's point of view, won't this create situations where one checks into Terminal 1 and you end up having to truck it over to your flight leaving from Terminal 3?


It's common use space, so with it comes gates, ticket counters and the such....There's some protections in the ordinance that will prevent say a carrier being assigned on C21 as an accommodation but having to check in at T5 or vis a vis. They would have counter space at T1 as joint use space. 3rd party ground handlers are allowed to work on ramp space too.

The key to all of this is this takes place twice a year during the scheduling periods. Any new entrant that wants to start service after each scheduling period is gated on common use space.

We won't get into daily oversight and use of common use and preferential gates during Irops.

If there is competition between carriers for the same "preferential" gates, is there criteria to evaluate who gets it or is it on a first come-first served basis?


There is a criteria, and if I recall correctly it’s based on existing gate utilization.
Tiny, unreadable text leaves ample room for interpretation.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:05 am

wn676 wrote:
AmricanShamrok wrote:
jcwr56 wrote:

It's common use space, so with it comes gates, ticket counters and the such....

If there is competition between carriers for the same "preferential" gates, is there criteria to evaluate who gets it or is it on a first come-first served basis?


There is a criteria, and if I recall correctly it’s based on existing gate utilization.


The criteria being discussed here is the one that comes into force in 2021 with the major construction phase of O'Hare 21. I'm guessing you're thinking of current rules since few know exactly how the new rules are going to be applied and inforced. Expect major changes!
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:40 am

yeogeo wrote:
wn676 wrote:
AmricanShamrok wrote:
If there is competition between carriers for the same "preferential" gates, is there criteria to evaluate who gets it or is it on a first come-first served basis?


There is a criteria, and if I recall correctly it’s based on existing gate utilization.


The criteria being discussed here is the one that comes into force in 2021 with the major construction phase of O'Hare 21. I'm guessing you're thinking of current rules since few know exactly how the new rules are going to be applied and inforced. Expect major changes!


Future rules are what I was speaking to, but as a caveat that’s just a second-hand interpretation.
Tiny, unreadable text leaves ample room for interpretation.
 
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Re: United Adds 7 new Chicago Routes

Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:03 am

yeogeo wrote:
Trk1 wrote:
United announced 7 new non-stop routes from Chicago fro summer 2019


https://hub.united.com/2018-12-19-the-m ... 61409.html

Halifax is interesting -has YHZ ever been flown nonstop from ORD before? I don't believe so.

UA served YHZ for a few years and I believe it was year round even.
ORD has lost a lot of trans border flights:
Edmonton, Saskatoon, Regina, Thunder Bay, London, Quebec City and Halifax on UA. The last 2 are coming back next year.
Ottawa, Kitchner, Calgary and Vancouver on AA. The last 2 were brought back last summer.
Those are off the top of my add so feel free to correct or add any I missed.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:56 am

Planeboy17 wrote:
UA served YHZ for a few years and I believe it was year round even.
ORD has lost a lot of trans border flights:
Edmonton, Saskatoon, Regina, Thunder Bay, London, Quebec City and Halifax on UA. The last 2 are coming back next year.
Ottawa, Kitchner, Calgary and Vancouver on AA. The last 2 were brought back last summer.
Those are off the top of my add so feel free to correct or add any I missed.


Well its good somebody's been paying attention... I haven't any memory of YHZ from O'Hare.
I flew UA ORD-YQB a year ago last Labor Day so they only took a short break from that route for some reason.
I wonder what the particular (peculiar?) dynamics are in the ORD>secondary Canadian routes... They seems to come and go quite regularly.

wn676 wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
wn676 wrote:

There is a criteria, and if I recall correctly it’s based on existing gate utilization.


The criteria being discussed here is the one that comes into force in 2021 with the major construction phase of O'Hare 21. I'm guessing you're thinking of current rules since few know exactly how the new rules are going to be applied and inforced. Expect major changes!


Future rules are what I was speaking to, but as a caveat that’s just a second-hand interpretation.


Ah - sorry for the assumption. Myself, I'm struggling to wrap my head around the gate use changes coming to O'Hare. :shock:
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:56 am

Earlier today an Emirates Cargo 777 flew non stop from Sydney to ORD!
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 5#1eeac6f0
It landed about 15 minutes after the ANZ flight from Auckland. Not to long ago I would never have thought to see flights from either of these cities to O'Hare let alone almost back to back!
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:01 am

dopplerd wrote:
Earlier today an Emirates Cargo 777 flew non stop from Sydney to ORD!

Crazy Far!

Image

Areas in shadow indicate the portion of the earth that couldn't be reached from O'Hare flying this distance (9232mi).

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?R=9232mi%40ORD
Maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper - copyright © Karl L. Swartz.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:13 pm

In a follow-up to the alderman/city officials visiting the Musk Hawthorne tunnel (see post 1366), prototype to the O'Hare Express, two articles:

From the Sun-Times the official guests were mildly impressed.
Deputy Mayor Rivkin, one of the riders: "You just get a sense of the simplicity of the whole thing... It’s a tunnel with a Tesla in it... This sort of notion that this is some kind of crazy, untried technology is just misinformed.”
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/elon- ... e-express/

The Chicago Business Journal, wasn't as positive, reporting that the media got a look, and "many" were unimpressed.
"It felt like an amusement park ride."
https://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/new ... j=85640571
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News - 2018

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:37 pm

piedmontf284000 wrote:
AmricanShamrok wrote:
jcwr56 wrote:

It's common use space, so with it comes gates, ticket counters and the such....There's some protections in the ordinance that will prevent say a carrier being assigned on C21 as an accommodation but having to check in at T5 or vis a vis. They would have counter space at T1 as joint use space. 3rd party ground handlers are allowed to work on ramp space too.

The key to all of this is this takes place twice a year during the scheduling periods. Any new entrant that wants to start service after each scheduling period is gated on common use space.

We won't get into daily oversight and use of common use and preferential gates during Irops.

If there is competition between carriers for the same "preferential" gates, is there criteria to evaluate who gets it or is it on a first come-first served basis?


I don't care what the agreement is going to say. There is now way, that AA or UA would not be allowed to continue to operate with first rights of gates/terminals. This is more for the NK, FF, B6, etc of ORD that have limited routes and limited labor. UA and AA have over 10k of workers in the Chicago area, they are not going to put them in line behind other carriers for anything. UA runs the show at ORD, that has been and will be the case as long as they keep it a hub. AA is a close second, but still plays second fiddle to UA. The rest of the airlines are just cast members.

yeogeo wrote:

Summer 2019 at T-5 is going to be wild.


I have a feeling Air Italy will be flying in later in the day and leaving later at night. There is just no room for another airline at T5 between 2-7pm.

Trk1 wrote:

United announced 7 new non-stop routes from Chicago fro summer 2019

Eugene. Daily
Redmond. Daily
Grand Junction. weekend
Halifax. Daily
Destin. weekend
Durango. weekend
Panama City Beach weekend


There was some people that were upset last week at UA for not adding Int'l service out of ORD. Well, here ya go...YHX. IN all seriousness, this, IMHO, is much better then more of the same Int'l cities that are already served being added by UA. I would rather have UA serving the US, Mexico, and Canada and let their partners do the rest of the world. UA touches almost every major city in the US out of ORD and all the major cities in Canada. That to me is an airline that serves Chicago's best interests.


It's nice to know you believe UA and AA are going to breach the agreement with the City by just ignoring what they agreed too. Got it...

Air Italy got access at good times, same with TAP....So there's capacity it seems.

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