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Body found on HNL runway

Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:21 am

A body was found on the reef runway in HNL today. As arrivals were landing to the west, all aircraft were switched to 26R, a very usual situation.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/3726 ... al-airport

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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:55 am

There's a difference between on and near ;)
 
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:12 am

Article doesn't state much, but whether it was inside or outside of the fence makes a big difference. Stowaway? I don't know what ramp personnel would be doing on that side of the field if it is indeed the reef runway. Jet blast is powerful stuff and even a bystander outside of the fence can be blown away like a grain of sand at takeoff thrust if not paying attention.
 
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:26 am

Interesting.. Although not completely uncommon, especially with people who stowaway in the wheel well of an aircraft, they freeze at altitude, and aren't dislodged until the airplane comes in for landing.
 
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:48 pm

Although I don't have a link I can post, since I'm a pilot based in HNL I have talked to a friend who was working the flight that made the initial call to the tower. He said they saw FOD on the edge of the runway, on the asphalt, inside the painted runway edge. They didn't identify it as a body, as they were busy with their landing.

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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:49 pm

HAL wrote:
Although I don't have a link I can post, since I'm a pilot based in HNL I have talked to a friend who was working the flight that made the initial call to the tower. He said they saw FOD on the edge of the runway, on the asphalt, inside the painted runway edge. They didn't identify it as a body, as they were busy with their landing.

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If it was on the runway that would lend towards the theory of a stowaway. On Friday HNL was in Kona Winds Config late into the night so it is possible that an aircraft landing on the reef runway the day/night before had a stowaway on board that fell out during touch down or slightly before.

Unfortunately there is still very little information being provided by the news stations here which is understandable considering what else happened in Hawaii yesterday. I'm sure once an autopsy is completed, next-of-kin identified they will release more information.

I saw a few posts of widebodies landing on 26R yesterday on social media. Unfortunately I was on windward side yesterday. The pictures and videos were incredible.

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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:44 am

USAirKid wrote:
Interesting.. Although not completely uncommon, especially with people who stowaway in the wheel well of an aircraft, they freeze at altitude, and aren't dislodged until the airplane comes in for landing.


Not uncommon in general or at HNL in particular? I am curious about the likely source of a possible stowaway? Is this likely to be an economic migrant such as you see trying to get from central Africa to LHR from time to time, or just someone trying to hitch a free ride from one of the islands. Does HNL have many flights from areas where someone may choose to stowaway?
 
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:56 am

Officials are now saying it was likely a stowaway in the gear well. http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/3726 ... al-airport

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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:00 am

HAL wrote:
Officials are now saying it was likely a stowaway in the gear well. http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/3726 ... al-airport

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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:53 am

did Hawaii 5-O solved it?
 
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:06 am

HAL wrote:
Officials are now saying it was likely a stowaway in the gear well. http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/3726 ... al-airport

HAL


Tragic, it sure makes me wonder what gets someone to take such tactile action. Are there any specific places that have n/s service to HNL that people are trying to get away from currently? R.I.P. troubled soul.
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:15 pm

RWA380 wrote:
HAL wrote:
Officials are now saying it was likely a stowaway in the gear well. http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/3726 ... al-airport

HAL


Tragic, it sure makes me wonder what gets someone to take such tactile action. Are there any specific places that have n/s service to HNL that people are trying to get away from currently? R.I.P. troubled soul.


They haven't released the identify of the person. Until we know that they could be from anywhere. I'm sure a lot of you remember the young boy who successfully stowed away on an SJC-OGG flight so the body found could even be from a Domestic flight.

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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:20 pm

HNL has flights that arrive from several places like MNL that would be likely candidates plus the domestic flying. It could have come from anywhere. If it came from a domestic Hawaii flight though I am not sure the body would have been frozen as those flights generally dont get very high or are very long in length. There is a good chance they will never be able to identify the body. Unless there was ID found on the body or they get a report of someone who is missing that matches the description of the body and the DNA matches, they wont likely ever know who it is.
 
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:32 pm

USAirKid wrote:
Interesting.. Although not completely uncommon, especially with people who stowaway in the wheel well of an aircraft, they freeze at altitude, and aren't dislodged until the airplane comes in for landing.

If that were the case, would the body not have been dropped when the gear was extended on approach, rather than on the runway?
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:38 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
Interesting.. Although not completely uncommon, especially with people who stowaway in the wheel well of an aircraft, they freeze at altitude, and aren't dislodged until the airplane comes in for landing.

If that were the case, would the body not have been dropped when the gear was extended on approach, rather than on the runway?


That's what I would have thought too...usually the bodies of stowaways are found 3-5 miles out on the approach path. That doesn't appear to be the situation here, unless the body fell at a later time, but anything is possible. My first thought was that it was a vagrant who wandered into the secure area (that really might not be so secure.) But I do not know the specific area around this runway and that may not be realistic either.
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:49 pm

MSJYOP28Apilot wrote:
HNL has flights that arrive from several places like MNL that would be likely candidates plus the domestic flying. It could have come from anywhere. If it came from a domestic Hawaii flight though I am not sure the body would have been frozen as those flights generally dont get very high or are very long in length. There is a good chance they will never be able to identify the body. Unless there was ID found on the body or they get a report of someone who is missing that matches the description of the body and the DNA matches, they wont likely ever know who it is.


Even the shortest domestic flights to HNL are still 5+ hrs, not an insignficant amount of time. I have personally flown on flights cruising at every altitude between FL270-FL410. According to the flight info screen on my LAX-HNL flight this past Friday, it was -56F about 2 hours out of HNL. That is not survivable for any appreciable amount of time.

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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:53 pm

richierich wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
Interesting.. Although not completely uncommon, especially with people who stowaway in the wheel well of an aircraft, they freeze at altitude, and aren't dislodged until the airplane comes in for landing.

If that were the case, would the body not have been dropped when the gear was extended on approach, rather than on the runway?


That's what I would have thought too...usually the bodies of stowaways are found 3-5 miles out on the approach path. That doesn't appear to be the situation here, unless the body fell at a later time, but anything is possible. My first thought was that it was a vagrant who wandered into the secure area (that really might not be so secure.) But I do not know the specific area around this runway and that may not be realistic either.


Given where HAL said the body was found, it may be that the body did not become dislodged until touchdown. It is not uncommon for stowaways to be crushed by the landing gear as they retract. If severe enough, the body may have been lodged in the wheel bay until a strong enough force (like a plane hitting pavement) dislodged it.

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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:54 pm

77H wrote:
MSJYOP28Apilot wrote:
HNL has flights that arrive from several places like MNL that would be likely candidates plus the domestic flying. It could have come from anywhere. If it came from a domestic Hawaii flight though I am not sure the body would have been frozen as those flights generally dont get very high or are very long in length. There is a good chance they will never be able to identify the body. Unless there was ID found on the body or they get a report of someone who is missing that matches the description of the body and the DNA matches, they wont likely ever know who it is.


Even the shortest domestic flights to HNL are still 5+ hrs, not an insignficant amount of time. I have personally flown on flights cruising at every altitude between FL270-FL410. According to the flight info screen on my LAX-HNL flight this past Friday, it was -56F about 2 hours out of HNL. That is not survivable for any appreciable amount of time.

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You mean 'except for the dozens of domestic flights from other Hawaiian islands' that touch HNL every day...
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:08 pm

MSJYOP28Apilot wrote:
HNL has flights that arrive from several places like MNL that would be likely candidates plus the domestic flying. It could have come from anywhere. If it came from a domestic Hawaii flight though I am not sure the body would have been frozen as those flights generally dont get very high or are very long in length. There is a good chance they will never be able to identify the body. Unless there was ID found on the body or they get a report of someone who is missing that matches the description of the body and the DNA matches, they wont likely ever know who it is.


I think you meant interisland, not domestic.

There are plenty of domestic flights from the mainland to Hawai'i that are long and high enough.
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:48 pm

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did Hawaii 5-O solved it?



Except on TV, there is no Hawaii 5-0. Hawaii has no State police force.
 
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:15 am

It amazes me that anyone could fit into the landing gear bay of a modern aircraft.
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:29 am

superjeff wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
did Hawaii 5-O solved it?



Except on TV, there is no Hawaii 5-0. Hawaii has no State police force.



Hawaii does have a statewide Sheriff dept.

http://dps.hawaii.gov/about/divisions/l ... -division/

There are approximately 240 sworn officers in the Sheriff's division. They provide court services, fugitive investigation and apprehension, serving warrants, protection for the Governor, State Capital, and Honolulu International Airport. As well as state hospitals and Fort Ruger (Hawaii National Guard HQ). They do not provide statewide patrols along the lines of State Police departments in other states.
 
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:27 am

superjeff wrote:
Except on TV, there is no Hawaii 5-0. Hawaii has no State police force.


You've just ruined my childhood. I'm watching Titanic later so no spoilers please.

RIP to this tragic soul.
 
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:39 am

Virtual737 wrote:
superjeff wrote:
Except on TV, there is no Hawaii 5-0. Hawaii has no State police force.


You've just ruined my childhood. I'm watching Titanic later so no spoilers please.

RIP to this tragic soul.


But Magnum P.I. will be making a comeback! Higgins is supposed to be a chick in the new series. Before anyone rolls eyes, the Kono in the newish 5-0 is much more attractive than the original.
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:11 am

flyPIT wrote:
Virtual737 wrote:
superjeff wrote:
Except on TV, there is no Hawaii 5-0. Hawaii has no State police force.


You've just ruined my childhood. I'm watching Titanic later so no spoilers please.

RIP to this tragic soul.


But Magnum P.I. will be making a comeback! Higgins is supposed to be a chick in the new series. Before anyone rolls eyes, the Kono in the newish 5-0 is much more attractive than the original.


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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:12 pm

barney captain wrote:
MSJYOP28Apilot wrote:
HNL has flights that arrive from several places like MNL that would be likely candidates plus the domestic flying. It could have come from anywhere. If it came from a domestic Hawaii flight though I am not sure the body would have been frozen as those flights generally dont get very high or are very long in length. There is a good chance they will never be able to identify the body. Unless there was ID found on the body or they get a report of someone who is missing that matches the description of the body and the DNA matches, they wont likely ever know who it is.


I think you meant interisland, not domestic.

There are plenty of domestic flights from the mainland to Hawai'i that are long and high enough.


Yes, I meant inter-island flying. OGG/KOA/ITO/LIH-HNL stuff doesnt get very high.
 
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:20 pm

Could even be a trespasser who got hit/ got landed in by an airliner. RIP.
 
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:29 pm

If a stowaway, one would assume Philippines and China may be the most likely candidates based on nonstop destinations from HNL. But, as mentioned, could come from anywhere, even within the US.

Also, we have seen cases where the body doesn't come out on the first flight...for example, the stowaway climbs aboard in Country A and passes away as the plane goes to Country B, but isn't found until it goes on to Country C.
 
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:39 pm

77H wrote:
richierich wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Given where HAL said the body was found, it may be that the body did not become dislodged until touchdown. It is not uncommon for stowaways to be crushed by the landing gear as they retract. If severe enough, the body may have been lodged in the wheel bay until a strong enough force (like a plane hitting pavement) dislodged it.

77H


South African had one about a decade ago where the guy got crushed in the gear during the retraction sequence. I think he ended up doing a fair bit of damage to the aircraft and left a lot of his biological material smeared in the undercarriage and the underside of the aircraft.
 
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:43 am

Latest news is that surveillance footage shows something tumbling on the runway when a Delta flight was departing for Japan. They are also checking other footage to see if the breach was caught on camera.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/3728 ... lu-airport

DL599 to FUK took off at 11:47 on Saturday, which would make it the closest Delta departure to Japan to the time when the body was found. The only other Delta flight that could match is DL181 to NRT, which took off at 10:49.
 
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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:49 am

ha763 wrote:
Latest news is that surveillance footage shows something tumbling on the runway when a Delta flight was departing for Japan. They are also checking other footage to see if the breach was caught on camera.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/3728 ... lu-airport

DL599 to FUK took off at 11:47 on Saturday, which would make it the closest Delta departure to Japan to the time when the body was found. The only other Delta flight that could match is DL181 to NRT, which took off at 10:49.


Says something about the state of the country to have someone stowaway out of the US.
I wonder if the missile attack contributed to the security breach. I'm sure HNL was in chaos following the alert. People likely scrambling all over the terminal area lookin for shelter. Law enforcement, TSA and airport staff was likely preoccupied with the panic.

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Re: Body found on HNL runway

Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:07 am

flyPIT wrote:
Before anyone rolls eyes, the Kono in the newish 5-0 is much more attractive than the original.


Except she left the show after last season with another cast member in a contract dispute. Shame.
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