Alaska announces 8 destinations to be served from PAE

wedgetail737 · Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:12 pm

SANFan wrote:
The announcement is out: 8 cities served by 13 daily flights!

Here's the link:
https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2018-01- ... aine-Field

Service to
LAS
LAX
SNA
PHX
PDX
SAN
SFO
SJC

Freq and schedules out later in the year.

All those destinations make sense from PAE. But I'm a little bit surprised at SJC and SNA. But all of those could easily be mainline, even though I hear some will be E-175's.

bb

hiflyeras · Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:16 pm

Really smart schedule and aircraft utilization...know lots of friends and family already excited, especially about LAS and SNA! Weakest might be SJC but if timed right with Hawaii connections it should be a winner as well.

wedgetail737 · Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:27 pm

SANFan wrote:
BENAir01 wrote:
Yay! Congrats PAE and AS!
Now here’s the new question: will PDX be 5x a day and all the others once a day or will the extra frequency’s be split between the destinations?
I’m guessing:
PDX 3x/day
LAX 3x
SFO 2x
LAS 1x
PHX 1x
SNA 1x
SJC 1x
SAN 1x

The frequencies will be very dependent on the a/c used. With EMJs, 737s and AirBi, I'm not even guessing any more.

If UA sticks with 6 daily departures and AS remains at 13, that's real close to 10 departures per gate split among 2 cx which means real tight coordinated scheduling between the two cx. (It's hard enough for a single carrier, such as WN, to work 10 flights thru 1 gate but for 2 independent cx to manage it?...) I really wonder if the 2 cx will be able to stay with these numbers. Or perhaps the design of the airport terminal will be changed?

With the start of service months away, I wouldn't be too surprised if there are 'adjustments'. In any case, It's going to be tough to wait months to see the flights begin!

bb

Will the new terminal at PAE have jetways? AS could have one gate (doorway) that has both A and B to it...have to two or three aircraft parking places. That would remedy this issue...possibly.

SANFan · Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:33 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
Really smart schedule and aircraft utilization...

Do you know something we don't yet? Have you actually seen schedules and a/c assignments?

bb

theSFOspotter · Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:39 pm

amcnd wrote:
Any equipment guesses??

PDX probably E175, rest will be 737s

MaxTrimm · Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:48 pm

theSFOspotter wrote:
amcnd wrote:
Any equipment guesses??

PDX probably E175, rest will be 737s

All are on E175

gmcc · Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:09 pm

SANFan wrote:
FSDan wrote:
These routes make sense. Basically all the major AS hubs and focus cities down the West Coast, plus SNA (where they do some point-to-point service) and then the major leisure destinations of LAS and PHX.

I wonder if AAG will have to drop something at SNA in order to start this new PAE-route? (Or does AAG or the airport have unused slots available?)

I would expect SNA-PAE would see a single daily EMJ r/t. But that slot has to come from somewhere.

Yes, it seems like AAG is prolly going after mostly business traffic but also, with LAS and even SNA, some leisure travelers as well. (And there are certainly some warm-weather and beach destinations to appeal to winter flyers.) It does seem like a pretty nicely balanced route map selected for Everett and I'm sure AAG will easily be able to adjust frequencies and capacity amongst these destinations as necessary.

bb

SNA is losing the RNO flight later which caused me to wonder where they were going to get the Q from for the SNA-STS flight. Maybe PAE-SNA-STS-PDX might work on an EMJ.

dc10lover · Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:12 pm

8 cities - 13 daily flights

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlaskaAir/st ... 25/photo/1

hiflyeras · Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:27 pm

Haven't seen a schedule but impressed by the number of flights. Assuming as many as possible will be morning departures in order to connect to Mexico and Hawaii out of SFO, SJC, LAX, SNA and SAN with an evening return. Guessing 3x to PDX, 2x to LAX and SFO?

qf789 · Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:46 pm

dc10lover wrote:
8 cities - 13 daily flights

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlaskaAir/st ... 25/photo/1

Link appears not to be working

Link to article on their blog

https://blog.alaskaair.com/alaska-airli ... announced/

https://twitter.com/AlaskaAir/status/953304922694406145

Capn · Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:48 pm

Does anyone know which gate Delta will be using ?

skyharborshome · Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:52 pm

Capn wrote:
Does anyone know which gate Delta will be using ?

Priceless

skyharborshome · Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:58 pm

khinstorff wrote:
SANFan wrote:
The announcement is out: 8 cities served by 13 daily flights!

Here's the link:
https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2018-01- ... aine-Field

Service to
LAS
LAX
SNA
PHX
PDX
SAN
SFO
SJC

Wow, glad to see SNA made the cut. I’m surprised PHX is on the list.

Remember that Allegiant to Bellingham from IWA is a very popular route. I have a lot of friends who hate making the drive out to Mesa for this flight however it is so cheap they consider it to be the best way to get to Seattle (them, not me). Allegiant has been rumored to be wanting to add IWA-PAE for a while.

Though I am Platinum on DL, I LOVE PAE and would be very tempted to take this route. Fly up, stay at the Hilton Garden Inn, tour the factory for the 8th time, enjoy Mukilteo for the afternoon and fly home depending on frequency. The perfect long weekend.

enilria · Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:17 pm

SANFan wrote:
The announcement is out: 8 cities served by 13 daily flights!

Here's the link:
https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2018-01- ... aine-Field

Service to
LAS
LAX
SNA
PHX
PDX
SAN
SFO
SJC

Freq and schedules out later in the year.

bb

All my guesses were right except Hawaii.

SAN should have been on my list. I just forgot it. SJC makes sense with recent strategies. SNA is to keep WN out if possible and hold a slot. I guess I agree.

That just leaves PHX. I said anything else would be to block competitors. Arguably SNA and PHX are to block WN. I'm not sure I see why PHX and not DEN. IMHO, DEN is a more dangerous route to defend against since they will only be focusing on West routes. Perhaps they are just conceding competition to the Eaat is not something they can compete with.

BigGSFO · Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:29 pm

I'm surprised Southwest hasn't tried to take over all of the gates. There's a Love and Paine joke in there somewhere. ;-)

(bad joke)

I'm glad this is happening though. Seattle needs a northern metro option however limited it might be.

Capn · Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:29 pm

skyharborshome wrote:
Capn wrote:
Does anyone know which gate Delta will be using ?

Priceless

Thanks, I couldn't help myself...

bhill · Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:30 pm

Going to be interesting to see how this extra traffic on 1 runway is going to work with the existing GA and Boeing load.

gunsontheroof · Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:34 pm

Not too shabby! Might have to fly out of PAE on a trip down south at some point. It's just a close to me as SEA is and would be a new airport for the ol' log. Surprised by the lack of GEG, but good to see a few surprises in the mix. Congrats to all involved.

kingcavalier · Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:45 pm

I believe UA is also adding 6 flights to DEN & SFO in the fall. With AS’s 13 flights that seems like a lot of flights for 2 gates.

wenders825 · Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:52 pm

if AA/AS can codeshare on that PHX route, that’s a brilliant strategy

BENAir01 · Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:53 pm

SANFan wrote:
BENAir01 wrote:
Yay! Congrats PAE and AS!
Now here’s the new question: will PDX be 5x a day and all the others once a day or will the extra frequency’s be split between the destinations?
I’m guessing:
PDX 3x/day
LAX 3x
SFO 2x
LAS 1x
PHX 1x
SNA 1x
SJC 1x
SAN 1x

The frequencies will be very dependent on the a/c used. With EMJs, 737s and AirBi, I'm not even guessing any more.

If UA sticks with 6 daily departures and AS remains at 13, that's real close to 10 departures per gate split among 2 cx which means real tight coordinated scheduling between the two cx. (It's hard enough for a single carrier, such as WN, to work 10 flights thru 1 gate but for 2 independent cx to manage it?...) I really wonder if the 2 cx will be able to stay with these numbers. Or perhaps the design of the airport terminal will be changed?

With the start of service months away, I wouldn't be too surprised if there are 'adjustments'. In any case, It's going to be tough to wait months to see the flights begin!

bb

amcnd wrote:
Any equipment guesses??

In the press release, it said all flights would be EMB-175s.

Capn wrote:
Does anyone know which gate Delta will be using ?

And we have a winner!
Really though, this made me laugh so hard. Good going.

airzona11 · Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:00 pm

Great O/D routes.

flybynight · Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:00 pm

I wonder if installations of triple pane windows at some households in Mukilteo will occur. I know that happened at SEA a while back ( I believe related to the third runway).

Living nearby I am excited to potentially fly out of Paine Field. I hope the actual scheduled flights are convenient for business travel.

I am a little surprised GEG wasn't on the list.

flybynight · Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:01 pm

Also how exciting to be in the middle of brand new Boeing's that are soon to be delivered around the World.

flybynight · Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:05 pm

BENAir01 wrote:
SANFan wrote:
BENAir01 wrote:

And we have a winner!
Really though, this made me laugh so hard. Good going.

DL will be flying into nearby Harvey Field with their new (just announced!) Cessna Skyhawk fleet

WNCrew · Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:07 pm

Didn't WN try to start service to PAE (or was it BFI) in 2005-2006? I don't remember exactly. I wonder if WN will dip their toes in?

jbs2886 · Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:15 pm

WNCrew wrote:
Didn't WN try to start service to PAE (or was it BFI) in 2005-2006? I don't remember exactly. I wonder if WN will dip their toes in?

BFI

masgniw · Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:20 pm

Is King County Metro or Community Transit going to set up any express bus from PAE to Seattle? I love that there's now a second option to get to the Seattle-area, but the ground transportation options are really sparse up there.

452QX · Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:21 pm

amcnd wrote:
Any equipment guesses??

E175s on the Horizon side, Q400s are on the way out (2 retirements last year, 15 scheduled for this year).

Also, says 175s in the article

Capn · Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:30 pm

flybynight wrote:
BENAir01 wrote:
SANFan wrote:

DL will be flying into nearby Harvey Field with their new (just announced!) Cessna Skyhawk fleet

Well ok, I bet they got a good deal on them...

Adipasquale · Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:48 pm

SANFan wrote:

If UA sticks with 6 daily departures and AS remains at 13, that's real close to 10 departures per gate split among 2 cx which means real tight coordinated scheduling between the two cx. (It's hard enough for a single carrier, such as WN, to work 10 flights thru 1 gate but for 2 independent cx to manage it?...) I really wonder if the 2 cx will be able to stay with these numbers. Or perhaps the design of the airport terminal will be changed?

I'll readily admit I don't know much about PAE, but would boarding via hardstands be a viable option? That's what immediately came to my mind to alleviate so many departures from so few gates.

ooslc · Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:06 pm

452QX wrote:
amcnd wrote:
Any equipment guesses??

E175s on the Horizon side, Q400s are on the way out (2 retirements last year, 15 scheduled for this year).

Also, says 175s in the article

Which article? I don't see that mentioned anywhere...

ASFlyer · Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:15 pm

Yup, all E75’s on QX

enilria · Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:24 pm

wenders825 wrote:
if AA/AS can codeshare on that PHX route, that’s a brilliant strategy

Possible but doubtful. I was told by an insider they will not add routes dependent on that code share after the merger was approved. They seem to expect it to eventually go away.

No surprise there is no GEG. Nobody else would fly it. This is all defense.

ooslc · Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:28 pm

ASFlyer wrote:
Yup, all E75’s on QX

But I asked where it says that. The press release just says all-jet service.

EA CO AS · Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:32 pm

enilria wrote:
I'm not sure I see why PHX and not DEN.

Because many more AS travelers living north of SEA want to go to PHX than DEN, that's why.

ASFlyer · Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:42 pm

ooslc wrote:
ASFlyer wrote:
Yup, all E75’s on QX

But I asked where it says that. The press release just says all-jet service.

Sorry, I was responding to another post and didn’t properly quote it. I read the all QX thing on the internal announcement.

ooslc · Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:45 pm

ASFlyer wrote:
ooslc wrote:
ASFlyer wrote:
Yup, all E75’s on QX

But I asked where it says that. The press release just says all-jet service.

Sorry, I was responding to another post and didn’t properly quote it. I read the all QX thing on the internal announcement.

Oh sorry, I figured at least SFO and LAX would be 737/320 equipment. UA could cut into SFO and offer mainline equipment.

khinstorff · Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:51 pm

enilria wrote:
wenders825 wrote:
if AA/AS can codeshare on that PHX route, that’s a brilliant strategy

Possible but doubtful. I was told by an insider they will not add routes dependent on that code share after the merger was approved. They seem to expect it to eventually go away.

No surprise there is no GEG. Nobody else would fly it. This is all defense.

I'm only asking because I don't know the details of the AA/AS codeshare changes that have come over the last few years. If it's possible for the two to codeshare on this route, would it be only for this leg, or would it also work for a connecting itinerary (i.e. PHX - PAE - PDX)?

hiflyeras · Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:53 pm

ooslc wrote:
Oh sorry, I figured at least SFO and LAX would be 737/320 equipment. UA could cut into SFO and offer mainline equipment.

Sure...and lose their shirt. E175 is perfect and offers the same inflight experience with 75 fewer seats to fill than a Boeing or Airbus.

OA940 · Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:08 pm

Great news! I can't wait for the first pictures of the finished terminal. And they really should expand. PAE would make a great secondary airport.

BoeingGuy · Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:21 pm

Remind me again please. Will PAE have free parking? Will it have paid parking?

There probably isn't much in the way of public transportation there. I live on the other side of the field from the terminal and not aware of much.

For shorter trips (e.g. four days to SJC), those of us who work at a large employer nearby can probably leave our cars across the street at a company building and walk over.

masgniw · Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:30 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
Remind me again please. Will PAE have free parking? Will it have paid parking?

There probably isn't much in the way of public transportation there. I live on the other side of the field from the terminal and not aware of much.

For shorter trips (e.g. four days to SJC), those of us who work at a large employer nearby can probably leave our cars across the street at a company building and walk over.

The utility of PAE certainly will be limited if they don't expand public transit. Also is there a plan for a rental car facility?

lavalampluva · Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:47 pm

No surprises by the list. Pretty much the typical West Coast routes.

DarthLobster · Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:47 pm

bhill wrote:
Going to be interesting to see how this extra traffic on 1 runway is going to work with the existing GA and Boeing load.

13 RJs spread out throughout the day shouldn’t disruspt too much....

ooslc · Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:55 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
ooslc wrote:
Oh sorry, I figured at least SFO and LAX would be 737/320 equipment. UA could cut into SFO and offer mainline equipment.

Sure...and lose their shirt. E175 is perfect and offers the same inflight experience with 75 fewer seats to fill than a Boeing or Airbus.

That's true. AS can offer a comfortable plane with 2x2 seating in coach w/ a first class, quicker turns, more frequency, and can utilize the 2 gates better than having mainline equipment. I think it's a great start actually. It's just weird to me to have all E75s on Boeing turf. :lol:

dgorun · Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:10 pm

amcnd wrote:
Any equipment guesses??

I'm thinking E175

SANFan · Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:30 pm

Now that we've established that all PAE flights will be op'd with EMJs, it seems that all these 13 daily departures will require several EMJs. I hope they have enough new ones coming online, plus enough slack in the fleet to start these routes without having to pull any a/c from existing routes. Of course the flights don't begin until at least this fall so that's quite a bit of time to 'save up' a/c. (And I hope there will be ample cockpit crew available to operate all the new flights.!)

Undoubtedly, after a start-up period, flights with high traffic could be upgraded to mainline aircraft.

bb

ASFlyer · Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:48 pm

SANFan wrote:
Now that we've established that all PAE flights will be op'd with EMJs, it seems that all these 13 daily departures will require several EMJs. I hope they have enough new ones coming online, plus enough slack in the fleet to start these routes without having to pull any a/c from existing routes. Of course the flights don't begin until at least this fall so that's quite a bit of time to 'save up' a/c. (And I hope there will be ample cockpit crew available to operate all the new flights.!)

Undoubtedly, after a start-up period, flights with high traffic could be upgraded to mainline aircraft.

bb

The internal announcement said that the flights would be operated by QX E-175's as long as they are able to continue hiring and retaining pilots to sustain the operation. It went on to say that they are currently on target to meet their hiring goals for 2018, so that's good.... Also, I believe QX is supposed to take delivery of a pretty healthy number of new E175's this year.

32andBelow · Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:02 pm

Is AS allowed to split 1 gate into 2 E175 ground loading positions?

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