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Re: Alaska announces 8 destinations to be served from PAE

Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:50 pm

iamlucky13 wrote:
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Reading the articles there seems to be a lot of conversation about noise levels in the area. Why is this a problem, with bigger, louder 777s, 747s, and 787s flying in and out all day?


It's not, as the environmental assessment indicated. There will be a slight increase in the average noise, but not the peak noise levels, due to having a slight increase in the number of flights. The day-night average noise footprint will grow slightly, but the significant noise impact level footprint will not cover any residential area. There are also (currently voluntary, if I remember right) time limits on commercial flight operations that don't apply to the existing users of the airport.

But the perception of many in the area is that the noise level will be radically different, and that Paine Field will somehow become a 40 million passenger per year airport like SeaTac.

So the noise concerns are essentially fearmongering by the public?
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Re: Alaska announces 8 destinations to be served from PAE

Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:56 pm

iamlucky13 wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Reading the articles there seems to be a lot of conversation about noise levels in the area. Why is this a problem, with bigger, louder 777s, 747s, and 787s flying in and out all day?


It's not, as the environmental assessment indicated. There will be a slight increase in the average noise, but not the peak noise levels, due to having a slight increase in the number of flights. The day-night average noise footprint will grow slightly, but the significant noise impact level footprint will not cover any residential area. There are also (currently voluntary, if I remember right) time limits on commercial flight operations that don't apply to the existing users of the airport.

But the perception of many in the area is that the noise level will be radically different, and that Paine Field will somehow become a 40 million passenger per year airport like SeaTac.


I live in Mukilteo, close enough to hear flights at PAE. I can deal with daytime flights. What I find annoying is the frequent midnight time frame takeoffs, or landings with full reverse. I'm assuming these are maintenance flights. Boeing test flights will almost for sure be during the day.

I'll have to wait to see the AS schedule, but I'm guessing they will be daytime flights.
 
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Re: Alaska announces 8 destinations to be served from PAE

Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:03 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
iamlucky13 wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Reading the articles there seems to be a lot of conversation about noise levels in the area. Why is this a problem, with bigger, louder 777s, 747s, and 787s flying in and out all day?


It's not, as the environmental assessment indicated. There will be a slight increase in the average noise, but not the peak noise levels, due to having a slight increase in the number of flights. The day-night average noise footprint will grow slightly, but the significant noise impact level footprint will not cover any residential area. There are also (currently voluntary, if I remember right) time limits on commercial flight operations that don't apply to the existing users of the airport.

But the perception of many in the area is that the noise level will be radically different, and that Paine Field will somehow become a 40 million passenger per year airport like SeaTac.


I live in Mukilteo, close enough to hear flights at PAE. I can deal with daytime flights. What I find annoying is the frequent midnight time frame takeoffs, or landings with full reverse. I'm assuming these are maintenance flights. Boeing test flights will almost for sure be during the day.

I'll have to wait to see the AS schedule, but I'm guessing they will be daytime flights.

I read the terminal will operate from 6am-9pm, so I think you're in luck.
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Re: Alaska announces 8 destinations to be served from PAE

Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:57 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
iamlucky13 wrote:

It's not, as the environmental assessment indicated. There will be a slight increase in the average noise, but not the peak noise levels, due to having a slight increase in the number of flights. The day-night average noise footprint will grow slightly, but the significant noise impact level footprint will not cover any residential area. There are also (currently voluntary, if I remember right) time limits on commercial flight operations that don't apply to the existing users of the airport.

But the perception of many in the area is that the noise level will be radically different, and that Paine Field will somehow become a 40 million passenger per year airport like SeaTac.


I live in Mukilteo, close enough to hear flights at PAE. I can deal with daytime flights. What I find annoying is the frequent midnight time frame takeoffs, or landings with full reverse. I'm assuming these are maintenance flights. Boeing test flights will almost for sure be during the day.

I'll have to wait to see the AS schedule, but I'm guessing they will be daytime flights.

I read the terminal will operate from 6am-9pm, so I think you're in luck.


Those late night flights are probably the Dreamlifter operating out of PAE. There are probably some test flights at night.
 
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Re: Alaska announces 8 destinations to be served from PAE

Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:36 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

I live in Mukilteo, close enough to hear flights at PAE. I can deal with daytime flights. What I find annoying is the frequent midnight time frame takeoffs, or landings with full reverse. I'm assuming these are maintenance flights. Boeing test flights will almost for sure be during the day.

I'll have to wait to see the AS schedule, but I'm guessing they will be daytime flights.

I read the terminal will operate from 6am-9pm, so I think you're in luck.


Those late night flights are probably the Dreamlifter operating out of PAE. There are probably some test flights at night.


I've seen both the Dreamlifters and the An-124's come in at night. I'm not sure about test or delivery flights - I think they do most of them during the day, but if something slips behind schedule, I'd think they would do so if necessary to uphold their contracts.

The An-124's are loud. I've woken up to them at my house, miles from the airport when they're several thousand feet up, and looked out the window to see what could possibly be making that much noise, since the tone is clearly different from the Growlers that sometimes visit from Whidbey NAS.
 
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Re: Alaska announces 8 destinations to be served from PAE

Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:43 am

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I would have thought a flight to Chicago right out of the gate (har har) would have been in the cards, given that there's a number of lucrative business customers literally feet away who would likely jump at the chance to walk across the parking lot to catch a flight to HQ after their 1 o'clock production status meeting.


If you already have the Boeing contract (which I assume they do), why invest in a long route when you already have the business locked in? United isn't offering a PAE-ORD, so no real risk of losing Boeing flying, anyway.

What Boeing contract? My understanding is that Boeing employees fly on all airlines, because they're all customers. You're not going to favor one customer over another exclusively.
 
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Re: Alaska announces 8 destinations to be served from PAE

Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:02 am

It will be interesting to see if WN choses to compete head to head with UA to Denver and/or AS on some of their choices (I.e. Las Vegas.)
 
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Re: Alaska announces 8 destinations to be served from PAE

Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:06 am

OAK & LAS are WN guarantees. And I would think a DEN & PHX flight are in store.
 
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Re: Alaska announces 8 destinations to be served from PAE

Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:30 am

Will AS/QX open a PAE crew base for this new flying?
 
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Re: Alaska announces 8 destinations to be served from PAE

Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:25 am

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Will AS/QX open a PAE crew base for this new flying?


Unlikely. Aside from the fact that the mothership at SEA is right down the road, it's not going to be a large enough station to support a base.
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Re: Alaska announces 8 destinations to be served from PAE

Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:29 pm

gunsontheroof wrote:
FlatBedService wrote:
Will AS/QX open a PAE crew base for this new flying?


Unlikely. Aside from the fact that the mothership at SEA is right down the road, it's not going to be a large enough station to support a base.


This will all be Skywest crews since it's all E175 flying.

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Re: Alaska announces 8 destinations to be served from PAE

Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:57 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
This will all be Skywest crews since it's all E175 flying.
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AAG has SPECIFICALLY said that the PAE flying will be done by QX crew on QX E175's.

http://www.heraldnet.com/business/vegas ... ine-field/
 
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Re: Alaska announces 8 destinations to be served from PAE

Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:48 pm

n7371f wrote:
OAK & LAS are WN guarantees. And I would think a DEN & PHX flight are in store.

Possibly one flight to each city. As for Alaska and United, I still think demand will be so great that they will have to use mainline jets and not Embraer 175's.
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Re: Alaska announces 8 destinations to be served from PAE

Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:00 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
This will all be Skywest crews since it's all E175 flying.
Flyguy

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AAG has SPECIFICALLY said that the PAE flying will be done by QX crew on QX E175's.

http://www.heraldnet.com/business/vegas ... ine-field/


Yes...that is true today. But if the demand is greater, AAG will change their position and strategy. The E-175 is a good airplane to start and test the market. But once the tickets go on sale, we'll definitely see how the demand will pan out.
 
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Re: Alaska announces 8 destinations to be served from PAE

Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:53 pm

gunsontheroof wrote:
FlatBedService wrote:
Will AS/QX open a PAE crew base for this new flying?


Unlikely. Aside from the fact that the mothership at SEA is right down the road, it's not going to be a large enough station to support a base.


So will they be tags on existing trips that start at SEA, like SEA-SJC-PAE-SJC-SEA, or will they ask crews to make the drive up to PAE to originate the trip there? I could imagine commuters to SEA from places like GEG not being happy about that scenario.
 
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Re: Alaska announces 8 destinations to be served from PAE

Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:53 pm

FlatBedService wrote:
So will they be tags on existing trips that start at SEA, like SEA-SJC-PAE-SJC-SEA, or will they ask crews to make the drive up to PAE to originate the trip there? I could imagine commuters to SEA from places like GEG not being happy about that scenario.


Plenty of SEA area crew live north of the city and would likely LOVE to check in for their trip at PAE. That said, it'd be easy to hop up to PAE from SEA in the early morning for the first departure but with gate and ramp space so tight at SEA I imagine they're planning on at least a couple of RON's at PAE.
 
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Re: Alaska announces 8 destinations to be served from PAE

Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:56 pm

frmrCapCadet wrote:
Pressure and competition will be pushing Paine field to a lot more than 19 flights a day, and a lot sooner than many think.


That didn't take long.
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Re: Alaska announces 8 destinations to be served from PAE

Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:21 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
This will all be Skywest crews since it's all E175 flying.
Flyguy

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AAG has SPECIFICALLY said that the PAE flying will be done by QX crew on QX E175's.

http://www.heraldnet.com/business/vegas ... ine-field/


Thanks for the update. I thought all E175 flying was Skywest/Alaska crews.

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