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Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:36 am

What are some possible new routes that AA could operate from CLT? I expect them to fill holes in the network by adding ISP and HVN, along with the possible addition of ECP. Is it possible for AA to launch routes to mid-sized western cities like COS or ABQ? I know they just announced TUS so there must be some room to expand out west. With the flights to OKC, TUL, OMA, DSM and CID, surely ICT isn't too far-fetched. I certainly don't expect flights to Asia soon, but what are the chances of AA adding CLT-MAN or CLT-MXP?

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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:52 am

CLT-EGE?

Would be a good A319 or 752 route for the winter.
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:00 am

Perhaps RNO and FAT at least seasonally (RNO - skiing and FAT - Yosemite).
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:18 am

CLT-COU (Columbia MO) would be a dot I could see being connected. As you mentioned before- perhaps ECP as well.
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:41 am

Runway28L wrote:
CLT-EGE?

Would be a good A319 or 752 route for the winter.

They’ve flown that before, back in the pre-merger days on a 752 IIRC. Would be nice to see AA further bolster its presence at EGE with this.
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:40 am

I wouldn't be surprised to see JAC on a seasonal Saturday-only basis.
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:06 am

ITH-CLT would be a good add. It would be a nice alternative to always connecting in PHL.
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:37 am

US used to do CLT-EGE years back with an 752.
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:53 am

AA should not add any more flights at CLT until it clears up its airfield congestion issues. I am officially over the stupid taxi times in CLT. I have started praying that my flight arrives in B - that is the only way to avoid a 35-45 minute taxi in. I flew AA731 LHR-CLT today and we landed about 20 minutes late due to strong headwinds and then it took us another 36 minutes to taxi to D9 due to all the congestion.
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:48 am

As MSN, PIA, and CID all have CLT flights, it is high time MLI landed at least a 2x daily CRJ to CLT.
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:00 am

AA will be gaining (back) some gates on the A Concourse this summer. They are already dumping money into reconfiguring the ramp level of A to fit their needs. Since the A Concourse is not connected to CIP whatever flights are added will be domestic or international destinations that have their own US CIP (Canada, Ireland, etc.) In 2017 there was a 10% increase in International Passengers over 2016's numbers so AA is pushing more International through CLT.
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:46 am

CLT- MXP has no chance.

CLT-MAN, maybe, but if the entire plane is just going to connect to Florida (inevitably it will), just fly it to MIA instead.
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:35 am

MAH4546 wrote:
CLT-MAN, maybe, but if the entire plane is just going to connect to Florida (inevitably it will), just fly it to MIA instead.


I'd never say never, but AA has struggled at MAN in the last year or two.

ORD has retreated to a short summer season, and JFK has been cut. There are "non-MAN" factors for this, but plainly the market has its limits.

In this instance, you have DL/VS with 2/3 wide bodies per day to ATL and MCO. Then you have TCX and Tui with regular wide bodies to the Florida area.

This will be hard for AA to compete with, given its cost structure. I expect they will focus on PHL and perhaps look to JFK, CLT or DFW in a few years time.
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:25 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
AA should not add any more flights at CLT until it clears up its airfield congestion issues. I am officially over the stupid taxi times in CLT. I have started praying that my flight arrives in B - that is the only way to avoid a 35-45 minute taxi in. I flew AA731 LHR-CLT today and we landed about 20 minutes late due to strong headwinds and then it took us another 36 minutes to taxi to D9 due to all the congestion.


I've had taxi times in CLT to the gate that were longer than the flight itself.
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:37 pm

dfwjim1 wrote:
Perhaps RNO and FAT at least seasonally (RNO - skiing and FAT - Yosemite).


AA can't even get ORD-RNO to work 1x a day. I don't see CLT-RNO unless it is something like Saturday only service.
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:48 pm

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AA should not add any more flights at CLT until it clears up its airfield congestion issues.


Are they trying to?
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:02 pm

dfwjim1 wrote:
Perhaps RNO and FAT at least seasonally (RNO - skiing and FAT - Yosemite).


I would be shocked (yet delighted) to see FAT-CLT before ORD on AA or ATL on DL. But AA does have the strongest presence of any airline in Fresno right now.
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:11 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
AA should not add any more flights at CLT until it clears up its airfield congestion issues. I am officially over the stupid taxi times in CLT. I have started praying that my flight arrives in B - that is the only way to avoid a 35-45 minute taxi in. I flew AA731 LHR-CLT today and we landed about 20 minutes late due to strong headwinds and then it took us another 36 minutes to taxi to D9 due to all the congestion.


I haven't flown through CLT since 2011. Has it really gotten that bad?
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:29 pm

There are great suggestions in this thread. Is CLT congestion related to the construction? What will fix it?
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:42 pm

CLT-SBN on American Eagle
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:42 pm

Any chance of AA flights deeper into the Caribbean/Central/South America? Such as... BOG, GUA, KIN?
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:55 pm

mikejepp wrote:
Any chance of AA flights deeper into the Caribbean/Central/South America? Such as... BOG, GUA, KIN?


Probably not South America seeing as AA cut CLT-GRU and CLT-GIG right after AA and US merged. The carribean is always an option for growth out of CLT as AA can make some seasonal routes year round or run the Saturday only flights more often
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:00 pm

dfwjim1 wrote:
Perhaps RNO and FAT at least seasonally (RNO - skiing and FAT - Yosemite).


AA proved that there is a market for these types of flights from CLT by adding seasonal Saturday service to MTJ and RAP. RNO and FAT would be great adds for the reasons that you mentioned. Both would definitely be Saturday seasonal but I would love the routes nontheless
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:09 pm

In Europe, AA already serves DUB, LHR, FRA, MUC, MAD, BCN and FCO from CLT, but I could add more cities such as LIS, HEL, EDI or KEF.
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:17 pm

as for northeast, HVN and SWF come to mind, since both only have limited service to PHL.
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:36 pm

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As MSN, PIA, and CID all have CLT flights, it is high time MLI landed at least a 2x daily CRJ to CLT.


As a former MLIer myself I want to agree with you so much but i don't think 2x to CLT is necessary without considering a 3rd DFW first. The AA load factor at MLI just doesnt seem high enough to constitute 2x CLT

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usflyer msp wrote:
AA should not add any more flights at CLT until it clears up its airfield congestion issues. I am officially over the stupid taxi times in CLT. I have started praying that my flight arrives in B - that is the only way to avoid a 35-45 minute taxi in. I flew AA731 LHR-CLT today and we landed about 20 minutes late due to strong headwinds and then it took us another 36 minutes to taxi to D9 due to all the congestion.


I haven't flown through CLT since 2011. Has it really gotten that bad?


I feel like this is being exaggerated a bit, while there are specific times that CLT can be a bit of a mess, I can't ever think of a time that my taxi has been that long
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:46 pm

The worst taxis seem to generally be those that involve getting to Concourse E from the westside runways.
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:46 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
In Europe, AA already serves DUB, LHR, FRA, MUC, MAD, BCN and FCO from CLT, but I could add more cities such as LIS, HEL, EDI or KEF.


LH operates the MUC route from CLT. You also forgot to mention the AA CDG route
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:48 pm

I don’t see HVN being added until they increase the runway length there. But unfortunately, it’s not looking so good with that whole case.
Hoping to see ISP added by the summertime. 2x CRJ7, and if the service proves good then add another flight with an E175.
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:52 pm

CLTflier wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
In Europe, AA already serves DUB, LHR, FRA, MUC, MAD, BCN and FCO from CLT, but I could add more cities such as LIS, HEL, EDI or KEF.


LH operates the MUC route from CLT. You also forgot to mention the AA CDG route

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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:58 pm

No real local market at all for CLT-MXP. Only way it would work, is to have it as a thru, or change-of-gauge, SFO-CLT-MXP, due to no Italy service from SFO on any carrier. Similarly for CLT-LIS, due to the general lack of Portugal flights from the large California markets(SFO/LAX/SAN).

CLT-MAN may work.......AA/UA/DL have eliminated a bunch of flights to the UK. Apparently they're all afraid of the fallout from the Brexit, which is understandable. But between them, they cut too much service to the various UK airports.

For smaller markets, I agree with whoever said COU. But perhaps something from RFD might work, too. For Caribbean, BGI would probably be the best choice.
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:04 pm

Freshside3 wrote:
No real local market at all for CLT-MXP. Only way it would work, is to have it as a thru, or change-of-gauge, SFO-CLT-MXP, due to no Italy service from SFO on any carrier. Similarly for CLT-LIS, due to the general lack of Portugal flights from the large California markets(SFO/LAX/SAN).

CLT-MAN may work.......AA/UA/DL have eliminated a bunch of flights to the UK. Apparently they're all afraid of the fallout from the Brexit, which is understandable. But between them, they cut too much service to the various UK airports.

For smaller markets, I agree with whoever said COU. But perhaps something from RFD might work, too. For Caribbean, BGI would probably be the best choice.


CLT-BGI has been flown for over 10 years...


I am still serious about my CLT airfield congestion comments. Every time, I fly through CLT, especially in the 6PM - 10PM time frame, I always arrive at a D or E gate and it takes 40 minutes to taxi there. Too much of CLT's traffic is headed to one side of the airport and it has gotten ridiculous...
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:05 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
In Europe, AA already serves DUB, LHR, FRA, MUC, MAD, BCN and FCO from CLT, but I could add more cities such as LIS, HEL, EDI or KEF.


LIS was tried from CLT and it did not work, HEL, EDI and KEF would all see PHL service way before CLT. Note: EDI was started out of PHL before being moved to JFK.
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Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:10 pm

GRU is a possibility in the long term.
HVN if its runway is extended.
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:13 pm

SumChristianus wrote:
GRU is a possibility in the long term.
HVN if its runway is extended.
OKC or TUL


OKC is already operated twice daily (1x CR9, 1x319) as is Tulsa (1x CR9, 1x738)
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:26 pm

chepos wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
In Europe, AA already serves DUB, LHR, FRA, MUC, MAD, BCN and FCO from CLT, but I could add more cities such as LIS, HEL, EDI or KEF.


LIS was tried from CLT and it did not work, HEL, EDI and KEF would all see PHL service way before CLT. Note: EDI was started out of PHL before being moved to JFK.

Yeah, I could see AA starting services from PHL before CLT. I think EDI could be also served from MIA or ORD (even though, UA already serves EDI from ORD), and HEL could be served from DFW and/or LAX. As far as I know, DFW and also PHL have both HEL on their wish lists. LAX (or BOS) might be the main unserved destination in the U.S from HEL.
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:27 pm

WNflyer1523 wrote:
I don’t see HVN being added until they increase the runway length there. But unfortunately, it’s not looking so good with that whole case.
Hoping to see ISP added by the summertime. 2x CRJ7, and if the service proves good then add another flight with an E175.


The only way HVN-CLT can possibly happen is to use a CRJ-700 as it is the best off short runways of the CRJ family. The runway case is awaiting an appeal and it also seems that some anti airport opposition may be softening as all members of the airport commission including those from East Haven voted to appeal the first court case. It was also reported that the mayors of both New Haven and East Haven are working to repeal the state statute that limits the runway to 5600 feet.
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:34 pm

freakyrat wrote:
CLT-SBN on American Eagle


Could see that happening, along with FNT, TVC, MLI, RFD, and COU. Although these aren't the most exciting additions, they are needed to fill out the holes in the network
 
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Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:11 pm

CLTflier wrote:
SumChristianus wrote:
GRU is a possibility in the long term.
HVN if its runway is extended.
OKC or TUL


OKC is already operated twice daily (1x CR9, 1x319) as is Tulsa (1x CR9, 1x738)


Wow, mainline on those. Is that a new addition, I hadn't realized that they even operated there from CLT? I assume its only since the US/AA merger. CLT's growth on AA will likely be upgauges, and new mainline service on existing routes.
Is SNA served yet? If not I think it would be a possibility, assuming SNA's runway is long enough.
COS-PHX or COS-LAX will probably come on AA before COS-CLT as DL only has 1x daily on COS-ATL, and AA has multiple daily (some mainline) to DFW from CLT and recently began ORD from COS.
By 2025 though it could start, possibly a Saturday service?
How about CLT-BZN? AA seems to have really been growing in Montana recently.
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Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:17 pm

SumChristianus wrote:
CLTflier wrote:
SumChristianus wrote:
GRU is a possibility in the long term.
HVN if its runway is extended.
OKC or TUL


OKC is already operated twice daily (1x CR9, 1x319) as is Tulsa (1x CR9, 1x738)


Wow, mainline on those. Is that a new addition, I hadn't realized that they even operated there from CLT? I assume its only since the US/AA merger.


TUL was added right after the merger, but it was just on regional jets. I'm surprised that it has mainline now. I guess they're trying to get more eastbound passengers from TUL to go through CLT rather than DFW.
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:19 pm

CLTflier wrote:
freakyrat wrote:
CLT-SBN on American Eagle


Could see that happening, along with FNT, TVC, MLI, RFD, and COU. Although these aren't the most exciting additions, they are needed to fill out the holes in the network


I'd say those are all likely to be done before opening a new station in SBN...
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:25 pm

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Is SNA served yet? If not I think it would be a possibility, assuming SNA's runway is long enough.


SNA is slot controlled so AA would have to reduce a frequency somewhere else. IIRC they have to submit how they plan to use their slots before the beginning of the year and they are not able to change them on a whim.

The runway is long enough. UA flies SNA-EWR and at one time AA flew SNA-JFK. US also flew SNA-PIT back when it was a hub with a 733. On hot days it could not carry a full load because of the runway length and noise abatement proceduers vs. that aircraft's performance. At times US also flew the route with a 757 where that was not an issue.
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:29 pm

They also filed for EAS service to PBG from CLT
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:32 pm

qcpilotxf wrote:
MLIAA wrote:
As MSN, PIA, and CID all have CLT flights, it is high time MLI landed at least a 2x daily CRJ to CLT.


As a former MLIer myself I want to agree with you so much but i don't think 2x to CLT is necessary without considering a 3rd DFW first. The AA load factor at MLI just doesnt seem high enough to constitute 2x CLT

evank516 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
AA should not add any more flights at CLT until it clears up its airfield congestion issues. I am officially over the stupid taxi times in CLT. I have started praying that my flight arrives in B - that is the only way to avoid a 35-45 minute taxi in. I flew AA731 LHR-CLT today and we landed about 20 minutes late due to strong headwinds and then it took us another 36 minutes to taxi to D9 due to all the congestion.


I haven't flown through CLT since 2011. Has it really gotten that bad?


I feel like this is being exaggerated a bit, while there are specific times that CLT can be a bit of a mess, I can't ever think of a time that my taxi has been that long


We used to have 3x DFW until the flight was upgauged to a CR9. Hopefully CLT will happen sometime. I’m curious to see how things shake out now that the airport director is retiring.
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:50 pm

US tried CLT-MAN a few summers ago and it didn’t work. Not sure it would do better as AA.
 
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Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:51 pm

osupoke07 wrote:
SumChristianus wrote:
CLTflier wrote:

OKC is already operated twice daily (1x CR9, 1x319) as is Tulsa (1x CR9, 1x738)


Wow, mainline on those. Is that a new addition, I hadn't realized that they even operated there from CLT? I assume its only since the US/AA merger.


TUL was added right after the merger, but it was just on regional jets. I'm surprised that it has mainline now. I guess they're trying to get more eastbound passengers from TUL to go through CLT rather than DFW.


AA also has a maintenance base at TUL, and AA does maintenance on MD-80, Boeing 737-800, and Airbus A320 family aircraft at its TUL maintenance base. AA currently operates 1 mainline flight in each direction between CLT and TUL on a Boeing 737-800.
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:03 pm

evank516 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
AA should not add any more flights at CLT until it clears up its airfield congestion issues. I am officially over the stupid taxi times in CLT. I have started praying that my flight arrives in B - that is the only way to avoid a 35-45 minute taxi in. I flew AA731 LHR-CLT today and we landed about 20 minutes late due to strong headwinds and then it took us another 36 minutes to taxi to D9 due to all the congestion.


I haven't flown through CLT since 2011. Has it really gotten that bad?


Yeah, it's really bad. I hate connecting in CLT due to the vast amount of congestion getting out of the E gates. On some shorter RJ flights we've spent more time taxiing around CLT than in the air. Give me DFW, ORD, or PHX any day over CLT.
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Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:35 pm

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Is it possible for AA to launch routes to mid-sized western cities like COS or ABQ?

AA ran CLT-ABQ for a little while over the summer a couple years ago. Evening departure from CLT and a redeye on the return. I believe it was an A319. I don’t know if the results were poor or it was just some slack in the aircraft schedule at that time that allowed it but it did not come back this summer.

I question why AA thought that was a great idea to begin with. First, how many unique connections did CLT offer that weren’t already covered by DFW and ORD? Second, there isn’t a whole lot of O&D between the cities so connections become important. Who wants to fly a redeye just to connect, getting to your destination mid-day and utterly exhausted?
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:55 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
In Europe, AA already serves DUB, LHR, FRA, MUC, MAD, BCN and FCO from CLT, but I could add more cities such as LIS, HEL, EDI or KEF.


HEL has no chance and I'm pretty sure LIS has been flown before and cut and is now seasonal from PHL. AA also struggles with its seasonal JFK-EDI. I'm also inclined to say that KEF has a slim chance but in a world where AA is going to fly DFW-KEF soon I guess that's possible.
 
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Re: Potential New AA routes from CLT

Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:12 pm

CLTflier wrote:
freakyrat wrote:
CLT-SBN on American Eagle


Could see that happening, along with FNT, TVC, MLI, RFD, and COU. Although these aren't the most exciting additions, they are needed to fill out the holes in the network


Columbia/Jefferson City? to Charlotte? I suppose...of course, I was surprised to check Flightaware and see DEN and two carriers to ORD.

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