There's 280 orders on Embraer's books for the E2, however 100 are for the 175E2 which may never see the light of day, and the 50 Air Costa orders don't mean anything from an airline that hasn't been around for over a year. So now you've really only got 130 orders for the type, only 35 of which are from an airline at all (perhaps 45 if the undisclosed ones are from an airline) the rest are from leasing companies. While I'm not in airline leasing I would assume this balance isn't one that leasing companies feel too great about. If you don't have an anchor or a couple anchor customers throughout the world it makes it harder I would assume to justify having the frame in your portfolio when besides for a few customers the pool of places to lease your plane just isn't very deep. I'd love to hear what sort of balance and or what lessors look for in a frame, but my hunch is that Aircastle, Aercap and ICBC would feel a lot better about their 85 frames if there were more than 45 frames on order from actual airlines.
I absolutely understand where you are coming from, but IMO because the E190 is such a liquid asset, which such a wide variety of operators, the lessors really don't have too much to worry about. The wide base of E1 operators will make it much easier for lessors to place new E2 aircraft.
Not sure what the second part means, but ya, I can certainly just skip the thread. I do like hearing about the progress of the program but find some of the pr stuff overdone. I can just wait to catch up with the orders in an orders thread.
I agree that the PR parroting here is getting a little annoying. There's some good information amongst it though.
The 175E1 is the superior product in its category in the USA in my opinion. Given the non-scope compliance of the 175E2 as such, is there a possibility of a compromise that will fit scope? Would either the geared fan on the old wing or the “old” engines on the new wing be an option as a 175E1.5?
You're probably right regarding the 175E2's future in the US. Not all 175E1s were sold to US customers though; other customers might not be constrained by the scope clauses in the same way that the US regionals are, so might find the 175E2 appealing. For sure the bulk of 175E1 went to US operators though, so the 175E2 doesn't look to have a bright future at this point in time.
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