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QantasLink to receive 2 A320s

Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:25 pm

From March 2018 QantasLink will receive 2 A320's from Jetstar to be operated for growth opportunities with Western Australia and freeing up 737-800's for Qantas mainline. The A320 will be operated and maintained by Qantas Group subsidiary Network Aviation. Further A320's will be sourced from Jetstar Asia. Expected frames are VH-JQL and VH-JQX

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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320's

Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:42 pm

Will this cause difficulties with the pilots' union at QF proper? It's one thing for Network to fly the F100 and Cobham the B712 (which no US airline would be able to do), but A320s are unquestionably mainline territory.

(I also remember it being said a long time ago that part of the rationale for JQ taking A320s and QF staying with the 737 family was also to avoid such strife, but that could just be presumption)
 
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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320's

Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:06 pm

XAM2175 wrote:
Will this cause difficulties with the pilots' union at QF proper? It's one thing for Network to fly the F100 and Cobham the B712 (which no US airline would be able to do), but A320s are unquestionably mainline territory.

(I also remember it being said a long time ago that part of the rationale for JQ taking A320s and QF staying with the 737 family was also to avoid such strife, but that could just be presumption)


Hmmm whilst clearly trying to reduce labour costs I don’t really see it to be any different from Jetconnect operating QF 738 mainline flights across the Tasman.

It’s more intriguing that the QantasLink brand and network experience adds sufficient value the aircraft is being moved to network and. It sinply operating as Jetstar from the outset.
 
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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320's

Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:08 pm

XAM2175 wrote:
Will this cause difficulties with the pilots' union at QF proper? It's one thing for Network to fly the F100 and Cobham the B712 (which no US airline would be able to do), but A320s are unquestionably mainline territory.

(I also remember it being said a long time ago that part of the rationale for JQ taking A320s and QF staying with the 737 family was also to avoid such strife, but that could just be presumption)


NZ did it for an while when they created an company called Zeal 320 ltd who operated there A320s (they operated both NZ/SJ services). They got away with it for a couple of years, then slowly once they ended SJ they moved the A320's back into NZ mainline.

LH Group is constantly doing it, one of there regional airlines operates some of the A343s for LH for example.
 
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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320's

Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:51 pm

A320's what?
 
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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320's

Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:53 pm

With the advent of the A320NEO, 10-15 year old A320CEO's probably won't have the value they once did. Since QANTAS own quite a few of the Jetstar A320's, the best option to retain value is probably to transfer them to other parts of the business.

When we think about it. freeing up 737-800's currently used in Western Australia for the eastern markets allows QANTAS to grow as the market grows, but without the need to purchase new aircraft.
 
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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320's

Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:30 pm

9w748capt wrote:
A320's what?


Getting a little old when you do this on every thread you come across. People don't always use possessive versus plural correctly but come on, at least add some value to the topic.

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Will this cause difficulties with the pilots' union at QF proper? It's one thing for Network to fly the F100 and Cobham the B712 (which no US airline would be able to do), but A320s are unquestionably mainline territory.


Its not really that much different than if Jetstar had operated them to start with. That being said, it does free up some of the 738s which may be enough of a dangled carrot to entice the QF pilots to not complain for now.
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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320's

Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:34 pm

9w748capt wrote:
A320's what?


Don't you mean A320s where?
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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320's

Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:00 pm

Also interesting- why so little growth planned for Jetstar Asia. They have been adding destination but their fleet size hasn’t changed in years, now orders are being diverted to regional WA?

I’d hope the displaced 738 replace 330s on transcon which can be moved to international. I’d imagine if the Perth hub gets up we’ll see 789s SYD/BNE/MEL connecting on to the EU which should also support domestic transcon premium, especially with the advantage of F lounge access in SYD/MEL despite the D sticker process
 
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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320's

Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:33 pm

SYD/BNE/MEL connecting on to the EU which should also support domestic transcon premium, especially with the advantage of F lounge access in SYD/MEL despite the D sticker process


Most business users of J class domestically are senior executives who are notoriously time-poor. The extra time required for D sticker domestic travel at both ends of the journey will probably deter them from such services. The attraction of the F lounge is probably limited as they won't be there long anyway.
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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320's

Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:55 am

travelhound wrote:
With the advent of the A320NEO, 10-15 year old A320CEO's probably won't have the value they once did. Since QANTAS own quite a few of the Jetstar A320's, the best option to retain value is probably to transfer them to other parts of the business.

When we think about it. freeing up 737-800's currently used in Western Australia for the eastern markets allows QANTAS to grow as the market grows, but without the need to purchase new aircraft.

I agree. Allegiant was able to source enough A319s and A320s to early retire the MD-80s. While the efficiency improvement of the NEO and MAX are less than the A320/737NG over the MD-80, it is significant. Aircraft are selling for less. Interest rates are low (thank you Chinese banks). The savings are enough to come out ahead on a new NEO on a 12 year lease vs. used for intense operators.

This will push CEOs into lower utilization service which pays far less for used aircraft.

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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320's

Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:37 am

XAM2175 wrote:
Will this cause difficulties with the pilots' union at QF proper? It's one thing for Network to fly the F100 and Cobham the B712 (which no US airline would be able to do), but A320s are unquestionably mainline territory.


Don't forget that VARA has had A320s since 2010. I know there's more to it (eg. cost in relation to the mainline 737s), but I see this as QF/Network also ramping up against VA/VARA.
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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320s

Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:27 am

It's worth noting the VARA A320s came with the Skywest purchase. The A320 will be a new type for Network.
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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320's

Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:23 am

smi0006 wrote:
I’d hope the displaced 738 replace 330s on transcon which can be moved to international. I’d imagine if the Perth hub gets up we’ll see 789s SYD/BNE/MEL connecting on to the EU which should also support domestic transcon premium, especially with the advantage of F lounge access in SYD/MEL despite the D sticker process


Most of the transcon A332 allocation will be going onto the Tasman from March '18 onwards with the exit of the EK Tasman services from AKL, AKL-SYD/MEL will get an double daily 332 and AKL-BNE will be an daily 332.

With an couple of JetConnects 738s returned to mainline.
 
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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320s

Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:49 am

I wonder if they'll expand the use of a320's and we could see routes such as PER-HBA to connect with the upcoming LHR and potentially other European flights.
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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320s

Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:51 am

All of Jetconnect's B737s are returning to mainline / VH- register. AKL-SYD is already double daily A330 (some rotations are -300, most are -200) - the increase in trans-Tasman A330 flying is only equivalent to 1.5 frames.

Much of the change in A330 ops to Asia will be 'funded' by the rejigging of A380 ops.
 
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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320s

Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:01 am

First QantasLink A320 has now been painted

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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320s

Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:09 am

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First QantasLink A320 has now been painted



That's a superb looking A320 - beautifully proportioned and balanced paint scheme.

It makes me wish even more that the mainline fleet refurbishment would go A320/A321, although that desire has more to do with comfort than paint.
 
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Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:11 am

That is WEIRD. I love it.
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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320s

Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:17 am

There is a picture just poster of the first aircraft VH-VQS being delivered in QantasLink scheme.
 
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Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:52 am

It's so damn weird. I'm in love.
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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320s

Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:53 am

coolian2 wrote:
That is WEIRD. I love it.


Agreed! So strange!
 
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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320s

Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:25 am

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It's worth noting the VARA A320s came with the Skywest purchase. The A320 will be a new type for Network.


On this note though, there is word that a TT A320 will end up at VARA.
 
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Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:29 am

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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320s

Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:32 pm

Would these A320’s have the same interior as the updated 717’s? Having just come off of one, I’d say it’s easily one of my favourite Australian domestic cabins.
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Re: QantasLink to receive 2 A320s

Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:32 pm

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Would these A320’s have the same interior as the updated 717’s? Having just come off of one, I’d say it’s easily one of my favourite Australian domestic cabins.


I imagine that they've kept the grey JQ seats and just replaced the orange trim/bulkheads with a plain white/grey.

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