AA to begin DFW/CLT to SBN and ECP. ORD-LGA Shuttle

Corpsnerd09 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:13 pm

I couldn't find a link publicly, and a search turned up nothing, but word is AA has announced internally on its employee site new routes beginning June 7 including adding new service to SBN and ECP.

DFW-SBN
DFW-ECP
CLT-SBN
CLT-ECP
PHL-FWA
PHL-OKC
PHL-PNS
ORD-AVP

For Sale starting January 22nd

AA has also announced ORD-LGA will become an hourly 738 operated Shuttle-branded route, beginning April 4, adding the branding/service over from the DCA/LGA/BOS shuttle flights.

CLTflier · Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:23 pm

Sound additions from AA. Seems like they're commited to connecting CLT with the Midwest

IrishAyes · Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:29 pm

well, this is just absolutely perfect. as a notre dame alum based in dfw, this is what i've been wanting since 2006! can't wait for fall football season!

FWAERJ · Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:30 pm

Equipment? Frequencies?

I hope FWA-PHL sticks around this time around, but I wonder if it will be timed a la UA FWA-EWR at 1x or like they did last time at 2x. And AA's return to SBN has been a long time coming - I expect them to do well.

Corpsnerd09 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:34 pm

FWAERJ wrote:
Equipment? Frequencies?

I was not provided these details but I'm sure an official announcement will advise them, if not they'll be loaded in a few days. If anyone knows I'm sure they'll share, too... Until then we can speculate.

Corpsnerd09 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:36 pm

stlgph wrote:
Kudos to the AA Shuttle on the LGA/ORD routes, something I've tossed around on here as a "left field" idea for about 2 years now. Time to buy a lotto ticket.

Announcement says 15 flights per day on weekdays, 738 equipment, complimentary beer and wine in the main cabin.

stlgph · Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:37 pm

Kudos to the AA Shuttle on the LGA/ORD routes, something I've tossed around on here as a "left field" idea for about 2 years now. Time to buy a lotto ticket.

Anyone know if there plans at LGA to create a row of gates dedicated to AA Shuttle?

MARSHAL1 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:00 pm

Awesome! I'm especially excited about the LGA-ORD shuttle. Glad to see AA connecting the dots and adding more cities to the map.

jplatts · Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:03 pm

Will AA ever add DFW-BUR nonstop service? AA will have nonstop service from DFW to all of the destinations other than BUR and MDW that WN serves nonstop from DAL after AA starts DFW-ECP nonstop service.

afcjets · Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:04 pm

Corpsnerd09 wrote:
CLT-ECP

US Express flew CLT-PFN (the previous airport) beginning in 1993.

Corpsnerd09 wrote:

AA has also announced ORD-LGA will become an hourly 738 operated Shuttle-branded route, beginning April 4, adding the branding/service over from the DCA/LGA/BOS shuttle flights.

IIRC AA had hourly service LGA-ORD way before UA.

usairways85 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:06 pm

PHL-FWA, PNS, OKC joins PHL-DSM, MSN, SAT, and OMA as new PHL destinations in S18.

Corpsnerd09 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:08 pm

usairways85 wrote:
PHL-FWA, PNS, OKC joins PHL-DSM, MSN, SAT, and OMA as new PHL destinations in S18.

PRG, ZRH, BUD as well

757usairways · Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:24 pm

Love seeing the additions to PHL, nice to start seeing some holes being filled.

usairways85 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:24 pm

I did not realize it, but it looks like LGA-ORD-LGA is already pretty much a shuttle operation with virtually all 738's and hourly service, save for 1 or 2 two hour gaps. So this is more of a service enhancement than a schedule enhancement.

JetBlueCLT · Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:16 pm

Love seeing more route addition out of Charlotte.

T773ER · Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:21 pm

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3323620-a ... email_link

Looks like a total of 52 new routes per the article linked above.

freakyrat · Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:22 pm

IrishAyes wrote:
well, this is just absolutely perfect. as a notre dame alum based in dfw, this is what i've been wanting since 2006! can't wait for fall football season!

AA left South Bend in 2003. Happy to see they are returning. Thank You to Director of Air Service Development Julie Curtis and Airport Manager Mike Daigle's 6 yrs of leg work to convince them to come back. Notre Dame and companies like Warsaw's Zimmer Biomet fly lots of people to DFW and Austin every day. American has a large contingent of Platinum and Executive Platinum Elite flyers that live in Michiana.

A huge contingent of Notre Dame Alumni that live in Dallas. I'll guarantee that during Football weekends they will have to fly mainline B737-800 flights to SBN from DFW.

freakyrat · Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:25 pm

Corpsnerd09 wrote:
FWAERJ wrote:
Equipment? Frequencies?

I was not provided these details but I'm sure an official announcement will advise them, if not they'll be loaded in a few days. If anyone knows I'm sure they'll share, too... Until then we can speculate.

I'll go out on a limb and say CRJ9 or E170 for SBN-DFW for competitive reasons with FWA and CRJ200 or CRJ7 for CLT.

usairways85 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:30 pm

T773ER wrote:
https://seekingalpha.com/news/3323620-american-airlines-expand-network?app=1&uprof=33&dr=1#email_link

Looks like a total of 52 new routes per the article linked above.

The 52 total is a culmination of announcements from AA over the past ~6 months going back to the TA announcements in late summer I think it was. So many of these we've known about.

T773ER · Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:31 pm

usairways85 wrote:
T773ER wrote:
https://seekingalpha.com/news/3323620-american-airlines-expand-network?app=1&uprof=33&dr=1#email_link

Looks like a total of 52 new routes per the article linked above.

The 52 total is a culmination of announcements from AA over the past ~6 months going back to the TA announcements in late summer I think it was. So many of these we've known about.

Makes sense, thanks for clarifying!

AWACSooner · Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:36 pm

Corpsnerd09 wrote:
PHL-OKC
.

About bleeping time...the next-to-last hole in the network is finally filled!

Now we just need MIA service

_AA_777_MAN · Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:38 pm

usairways85 wrote:
I did not realize it, but it looks like LGA-ORD-LGA is already pretty much a shuttle operation with virtually all 738's and hourly service, save for 1 or 2 two hour gaps. So this is more of a service enhancement than a schedule enhancement.

Correct, also DL flies this route as a shuttle service with the E175s. If you combine JFK/LGA/EWR--MDW/ORD that's a lot of capacity !
Would that be the busiest route between 2 cities?

FSDan · Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:43 pm

usairways85 wrote:
I did not realize it, but it looks like LGA-ORD-LGA is already pretty much a shuttle operation with virtually all 738's and hourly service, save for 1 or 2 two hour gaps. So this is more of a service enhancement than a schedule enhancement.

Yep, the frequency really isn't changing much. Just the branding/service.

IrishAyes · Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:45 pm

freakyrat wrote:
IrishAyes wrote:
well, this is just absolutely perfect. as a notre dame alum based in dfw, this is what i've been wanting since 2006! can't wait for fall football season!

AA left South Bend in 2003. Happy to see they are returning. Thank You to Director of Air Service Development Julie Curtis and Airport Manager Mike Daigle's 6 yrs of leg work to convince them to come back. Notre Dame and companies like Warsaw's Zimmer Biomet fly lots of people to DFW and Austin every day. American has a large contingent of Platinum and Executive Platinum Elite flyers that live in Michiana.

A huge contingent of Notre Dame Alumni that live in Dallas. I'll guarantee that during Football weekends they will have to fly mainline B737-800 flights to SBN from DFW.

yes! remember that couple that earned several g's for db comp during the nd-uga game last fall???

http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com ... y-tonight/

and though it is a ways off, texas a&m and nd have signed a series that will have a home game in south bend in 2025

zakuivcustom · Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:58 pm

_AA_777_MAN wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
I did not realize it, but it looks like LGA-ORD-LGA is already pretty much a shuttle operation with virtually all 738's and hourly service, save for 1 or 2 two hour gaps. So this is more of a service enhancement than a schedule enhancement.

Correct, also DL flies this route as a shuttle service with the E175s. If you combine JFK/LGA/EWR--MDW/ORD that's a lot of capacity !
Would that be the busiest route between 2 cities?

I counted 80 RTs today between NYC and CHI. SYD-MEL has ~90 RTs (I counted 85 RTs b/t SYD and MEL and 6 between SYD and AVA) and so does SAO-RIO (Not counting VCP. If you count VCP that's another 15 flights to GIG or SDU from there).

Of course, if you want to count all the NorCal airports to SoCal airports, it would beat all 3 above easily.

As far as the "shuttle" service goes - it had been rumored for awhile anyway when people were speculating how "Shuttle" service is done after DL's end their West Coast "Shuttles" (That doesn't even have hourly frequency outside of LAX-SFO). And as someone else already mentioned, AA already ran hourly (for the most part) flights between LGA and ORD, all on 738, anyway.

jmscsc · Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:06 pm

While I'm a DL flyer, as a SBN resident and ND alumni and employee I'm happy to see AA coming back. It's a good addition to our airport which only has DL, UA and Allegiant at the moment.

TWA1985 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:24 pm

My friend at AA sent this to me regarding the ORD-LGA Shuttle.

DCAFlyer01 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:42 pm

Here are the links from the Press Release this morning

http://resource.globenewswire.com/Resou ... 508e8003b2

http://resource.globenewswire.com/Resou ... 74c186cf8d

FSDan · Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:59 pm

DCAFlyer01 wrote:
Here are the links from the Press Release this morning

http://resource.globenewswire.com/Resou ... 508e8003b2

http://resource.globenewswire.com/Resou ... 74c186cf8d

Overall, some pretty neat domestic adds for AA's network this year! They're filling in a lot of gaps.

FlyPNS1 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:33 pm

PHL-PNS is a bit surprising as it overflies CLT and DCA. DCA-PNS was only added back last year and is supposed to go 2x daily in April.

AA's strategy in regard to PNS is quite different from DL. DL seems to prefer just to use a lot of mainline metal and send everyone to ATL. AA seems to want to split the market across many hubs with smaller aircraft...some mainline and large RJ.

9w748capt · Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:40 pm

AWACSooner wrote:
Corpsnerd09 wrote:
PHL-OKC
.

About bleeping time...the next-to-last hole in the network is finally filled!
Now we just need MIA service

Agreed. Finally, FINALLY an actual east coast link from AA. Big time add! I wonder what equipment they'll use - E75?

TWFlyGuy · Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:24 pm

FlyPNS1 wrote:
PHL-PNS is a bit surprising as it overflies CLT and DCA. DCA-PNS was only added back last year and is supposed to go 2x daily in April.

AA's strategy in regard to PNS is quite different from DL. DL seems to prefer just to use a lot of mainline metal and send everyone to ATL. AA seems to want to split the market across many hubs with smaller aircraft...some mainline and large RJ.

There's actually quite a few overflights of CLT in these adds: ORD/DFW-MYR, ORD-CHS, ORD/DFW-ILM. All interesting.

American 767 · Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:25 pm

I believe that DL also has a Shuttle flight LGA-ORD, in addition to LGA-BOS and LGA-DCA. But the difference is most passengers, if not all, flying DL on that route do not have a connecting flight. So it is understandable that DL flies smaller aircraft, the E170/175, since they don't need as much capacity as AA does. AA flies larger equipment, the 738, hourly because they need a lot of capacity. A lot of passengers on AA are connecting to other destinations, or coming from other places.

I find it interesting that one who buys a Y ticket to fly LGA-ORD and then connecting to another domestic destination will get free wine and/or beer on the first leg but not on the second leg.

deltal1011man · Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:29 pm

American 767 wrote:
I believe that DL also has a Shuttle flight LGA-ORD, in addition to LGA-BOS and LGA-DCA. But the difference is most passengers, if not all, flying DL on that route do not have a connecting flight. So it is understandable that DL flies smaller aircraft, the E170/175, since they don't need as much capacity as AA does. AA flies larger equipment, the 738, hourly because they need a lot of capacity. A lot of passengers on AA are connecting to other destinations, or coming from other places.

I find it interesting that one who buys a Y ticket to fly LGA-ORD and then connecting to another domestic destination will get free wine and/or beer on the first leg but not on the second leg.

FWIW Delta is adding a few 717 turns to LGA-ORD.

Now that they are all over in C/D i think it safe to expect Delta to start allowing connections to and from the shuttle from other cities.

AWACSooner · Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:43 pm

9w748capt wrote:

Agreed. Finally, FINALLY an actual east coast link from AA. Big time add! I wonder what equipment they'll use - E75?

I'd count CLT as an east coast link...but this makes it much easier for another NE connection, and maybe some fare competition to UA's 1x daily EWR and IAD runs.

Still waiting on WN to deliver on the long-promised DCA n/s...

boeing773er · Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:03 pm

Maybe I'm wrong but didn't US use to serve PHL-OKC before the recession?

usflyer msp · Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:09 pm

boeing773er wrote:
Maybe I'm wrong but didn't US use to serve PHL-OKC before the recession?

No. US never served OKC (except for a short period when PHX-OKC was flown after the HP/US merger)

Rdh3e · Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:10 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
As far as the "shuttle" service goes - it had been rumored for awhile anyway when people were speculating how "Shuttle" service is done after DL's end their West Coast "Shuttles" (That doesn't even have hourly frequency outside of LAX-SFO). And as someone else already mentioned, AA already ran hourly (for the most part) flights between LGA and ORD, all on 738, anyway.

Just a quick data pull of average departures for 2017 full year:

Chicago-New York City: 75 RT's per day
Sydney-Melbourne: 83 RT's per day
Rio De Janiero-Sao Paulo: 103 RTs per day
Seoul-Jeju: 112 RT's per day
LA Basin-Bay Area: 196 RT's per day

OzarkD9S · Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:21 pm

There are many more hub-spoke gaps that AA can fill before they start worrying about "focus cities" and what not. Some may praise DL for their "focus city" strategy and I hope it works for them, but AA+US offers many hub routes yet to be launched.

USPIT10L · Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:48 pm

US did not fly CLTPFN until 2006, it was served via TPA and MCO starting in 1993 until that time.

BoeingGuy · Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:58 pm

jplatts wrote:
Will AA ever add DFW-BUR nonstop service? AA will have nonstop service from DFW to all of the destinations other than BUR and MDW that WN serves nonstop from DAL after AA starts DFW-ECP nonstop service.

That would be resume, not add. AA flew BUR-DFW for many years. They dropped it a few years ago.

AA had dropped:

OAK-DFW
BUR-DFW
BFL-DFW
LGB-DFW

They just resumed OAK-DFW, so perhaps they will also resume the others from DFW.

saab805 · Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:17 am

freakyrat wrote:
Corpsnerd09 wrote:
FWAERJ wrote:
Equipment? Frequencies?

I was not provided these details but I'm sure an official announcement will advise them, if not they'll be loaded in a few days. If anyone knows I'm sure they'll share, too... Until then we can speculate.

I'll go out on a limb and say CRJ9 or E170 for SBN-DFW for competitive reasons with FWA and CRJ200 or CRJ7 for CLT.

For SBN service, looks like 2x CR7 service to both CLT/DFW to start.
Same for ECP.

https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/b ... 4ae66.html
https://www.iflybeaches.com/news

lat41 · Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:32 am

OzarkD9S wrote:
There are many more hub-spoke gaps that AA can fill before they start worrying about "focus cities" and what not. Some may praise DL for their "focus city" strategy and I hope it works for them, but AA+US offers many hub routes yet to be launched.

One of them would be connecting the big pool of population and business in Southern New England to DFW via PVD

afcjets · Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:43 am

USPIT10L wrote:
US did not fly CLTPFN until 2006, it was served via TPA and MCO starting in 1993 until that time.

USAir Express carrier CCAir first launched CLT-PFN nonstop with Dash 8 aircraft in the Spring of 1993. It started by another Express carrier on those intra-Florida routes before 1993.

PVD757 · Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:22 am

I second the above comment regarding PVD-DFW. It has to be creeping up the DFW not yet served list.

BN727227Ultra · Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:24 am

Corpsnerd09 wrote:
AA has also announced ORD-LGA will become an hourly 738 operated Shuttle-branded route, beginning April 4, adding the branding/service over from the DCA/LGA/BOS shuttle flights.

738? Shuttle would have been perfect for the A350! :lol:

Jo8338 · Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:25 am

The article indices gates close to security in LGA - ORD. Any speculation on which gates. At ORD the only close 737 gate is K1. At LGA I could see them dedicating the gates in concourse A only problem is there is no access to the Admirals Club.

OneAA · Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:44 am

TWFlyGuy wrote:
FlyPNS1 wrote:
PHL-PNS is a bit surprising as it overflies CLT and DCA. DCA-PNS was only added back last year and is supposed to go 2x daily in April.

AA's strategy in regard to PNS is quite different from DL. DL seems to prefer just to use a lot of mainline metal and send everyone to ATL. AA seems to want to split the market across many hubs with smaller aircraft...some mainline and large RJ.

There's actually quite a few overflights of CLT in these adds: ORD/DFW-MYR, ORD-CHS, ORD/DFW-ILM. All interesting.

. Given the choice, wouldn't everyone want to overfly Charlotte? Kind of a dumpy airport. Least favorite AA hub.

IPFreely · Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:02 am

_AA_777_MAN wrote:
Would that be the busiest route between 2 cities?

Seoul (GMP) to Jeju (CJU) typically has over 100 flights/day with many on widebodies and none on RJ's.

USPIT10L · Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:36 am

I have a 1993 schedule that shows CLTPFN, but it looks like it was dropped by 1994. Good catch. Don't recall seeing the route prior to 2006, but knew PFN was served by US Airways Express.

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