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Air Canada Rouge fleet question/update

Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:02 am

Just wondering if anyone has the status of C-FXCA, it was flown to Singapore last year for what seemed to be a rouge configuration, however, it’s proving difficult to track down any more current info.

Also worth noting, Rouge is leasing a former niki A321, registered OE-LCI, to become C-FYXF.
 
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Re: Air Canada Rouge fleet question/update

Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:30 am

Well the status of C-FXCA seems unchanged at this point, but it seems that it will be the finishing piece of the puzzle of the rouge 767 fleet for now. The A321 is news to me as I was thinking they’d move more A319s, but I guess it makes sense. I will look out of place with fences rather than sharklets. I wonder how many more they will add to the fleet.
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Re: Air Canada Rouge fleet question/update

Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:21 am

whywhyzee wrote:
Just wondering if anyone has the status of C-FXCA, it was flown to Singapore last year for what seemed to be a rouge configuration, however, it’s proving difficult to track down any more current info.


Just right now it's showing up on Flightradar at QPG.
 
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Re: Air Canada Rouge fleet question/update

Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:25 pm

The addition of the ex-Niki A321 is interesting as the speculation recently was that all the A321's might be moving back to mainline. Things change frequently in the industry and it may be a case of AC preparing to use Rouge domestically to battle it out with new players in the soon to be ULCC market.
 
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Re: Air Canada Rouge fleet question/update

Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:28 pm

9252fly wrote:
The addition of the ex-Niki A321 is interesting as the speculation recently was that all the A321's might be moving back to mainline. Things change frequently in the industry and it may be a case of AC preparing to use Rouge domestically to battle it out with new players in the soon to be ULCC market.


At mainline, the original plan was to begin retirement of the A320 as the Max arrived, but now, they have elected to extend the lives on their Airbus narrowbodies and focus on the retirement of the E190’s instead, so it could stand to reason that there isn’t a huge incentive to move A321s to mainline given that it is already seeing a pretty sizeable capacity increase.
 
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Re: Air Canada Rouge fleet question/update

Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:45 pm

whywhyzee wrote:
9252fly wrote:
The addition of the ex-Niki A321 is interesting as the speculation recently was that all the A321's might be moving back to mainline. Things change frequently in the industry and it may be a case of AC preparing to use Rouge domestically to battle it out with new players in the soon to be ULCC market.


At mainline, the original plan was to begin retirement of the A320 as the Max arrived, but now, they have elected to extend the lives on their Airbus narrowbodies and focus on the retirement of the E190’s instead, so it could stand to reason that there isn’t a huge incentive to move A321s to mainline given that it is already seeing a pretty sizeable capacity increase.

Very interesting. So does that mean that they aren’t starting the retirement of mainline A319s then this year?
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Re: Air Canada Rouge fleet question/update

Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:32 pm

C-FXCA has been ferried has been ferried as AC7162 between QPG and Seletar (XSP) January 22nd, where it landed at 6:19PM.

Edit: however, after checking its flight path, it appears it was a test flight and that it returned to QPG.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... a#103273ee
 
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Re: Air Canada Rouge fleet question/update

Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:47 pm

Given how labour heavy aircraft maintenance is I have a hard time understanding how it is cheaper to do this type of work in high cost Singapore as opposed to low cost Canada.
 
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Re: Air Canada Rouge fleet question/update

Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:56 pm

9252fly wrote:
The addition of the ex-Niki A321 is interesting as the speculation recently was that all the A321's might be moving back to mainline. Things change frequently in the industry and it may be a case of AC preparing to use Rouge domestically to battle it out with new players in the soon to be ULCC market.


20 year old 319’s going head to head with 3 year old -800’s.

That’s like taking a pen knife to a gun fight.
 
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Re: Air Canada Rouge fleet question/update

Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:55 am

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jimbo737 wrote:
9252fly wrote:
The addition of the ex-Niki A321 is interesting as the speculation recently was that all the A321's might be moving back to mainline. Things change frequently in the industry and it may be a case of AC preparing to use Rouge domestically to battle it out with new players in the soon to be ULCC market.


20 year old 319’s going head to head with 3 year old -800’s.

That’s like taking a pen knife to a gun fight.


Kinda like you in a personality contest....
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Re: Air Canada Rouge fleet question/update

Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:15 am

Will C-FYXF (the ex-Niki A321) be fitted with sharklets like the rest of the Rouge A321 fleet?

Also, not sure what the Rouge fleet rules are, but if they add an A321 will they have to retire (or transfer back to mainline) an A319?
 
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Re: Air Canada Rouge fleet question/update

Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:19 am

Skywatcher wrote:
Given how labour heavy aircraft maintenance is I have a hard time understanding how it is cheaper to do this type of work in high cost Singapore as opposed to low cost Canada.


In what world is Canada low cost?!?! Labour rates here are astronomical.
 
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Re: Air Canada Rouge fleet question/update

Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:20 am

briguychau wrote:
Will C-FYXF (the ex-Niki A321) be fitted with sharklets like the rest of the Rouge A321 fleet?

Also, not sure what the Rouge fleet rules are, but if they add an A321 will they have to retire (or transfer back to mainline) an A319?


They reached a new agreement permitting then to add more narrow bodies at a rate commencerate to that of mainline.
 
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Re: Air Canada Rouge fleet question/update

Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:46 am

Having flown QPG-HND today, I guess it will be home tomorrow.
 
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Re: Air Canada Rouge fleet question/update

Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:10 pm

jimbo737 wrote:
9252fly wrote:
The addition of the ex-Niki A321 is interesting as the speculation recently was that all the A321's might be moving back to mainline. Things change frequently in the industry and it may be a case of AC preparing to use Rouge domestically to battle it out with new players in the soon to be ULCC market.


20 year old 319’s going head to head with 3 year old -800’s.

That’s like taking a pen knife to a gun fight.


Or you could look at the proposed services provided by “air magenta” vs Flair and Rouge as they’re competing with both. The 319s look pretty new since they’ve been Rouge converted but again anything to hold the WS product on a pedestal of its own. :scratchchin:
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Re: Air Canada Rouge fleet question/update

Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:49 pm

jimbo737 wrote:
20 year old 319’s going head to head with 3 year old -800’s.

That’s like taking a pen knife to a gun fight.


When it comes to low cost market travelers, they can be flying on 1970 Boeing 707 missing one engine and couldn’t care less. If the ticket is 5 dollars cheaper than the competition, they’ll hop on even after complaining. There is simply no loyalty in the low cost market.
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Re: Air Canada Rouge fleet question/update

Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:40 pm

whywhyzee wrote:
In what world is Canada low cost?!?! Labour rates here are astronomical.

What’s that you say? People are well paid, fed and have disposeable income? This must be stopped immediately! Summon the elders of the village council at once!
 
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Re: Air Canada Rouge fleet question/update

Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:57 pm

jimbo737 wrote:
9252fly wrote:
The addition of the ex-Niki A321 is interesting as the speculation recently was that all the A321's might be moving back to mainline. Things change frequently in the industry and it may be a case of AC preparing to use Rouge domestically to battle it out with new players in the soon to be ULCC market.


20 year old 319’s going head to head with 3 year old -800’s.

That’s like taking a pen knife to a gun fight.


AC network versus ws “wish it had a proper network”. Like taking a super soaker to a gun fight.
 
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Re: Air Canada Rouge fleet question/update

Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:03 am

So C-FXCA is currently overflying the Gulf of Alaska and should reach YYZ in about six hours, that is ETA 11:43.

https://www.flightradar24.com/ACA7160/1039faa7

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