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David_itl
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Tue May 29, 2018 8:09 pm

BE has now got LUX timetabled to be operated up to March 2019. Will be operating roughly 6 weekly from July and goes to 5 weekly in winter,. Never known the route to have this length of availability before!
 
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Thu May 31, 2018 8:16 pm

Interview with MAN's Aviation Director, Julian Carr.

http://www.ags-airlinegroundservices.com/7919-2/


Manchester Airport continues to grow its long-haul network and earlier this month Jet Airways and Ethiopian Airlines announced they were to start new routes to the northern UK gateway.

Aviation director, Julian Carr (pictured above) talked to ARGS about the impact of the new services that are being added and how the airport plans to expand its network even more.



How important is the news that Jet Airways will start a new four-times weekly Airbus A330 route starting 5 November connecting Manchester to Mumbai?

A direct route from Manchester to Mumbai has been a key target for us, as we look to connect the North of England to key markets around the world.

With 500,000 people of Indian origin living across the North, we expect this route to be incredibly popular. Since announcing the service to Mumbai we’ve had great support from business leaders, tourism authorities and leisure travellers who are all eager for route to start.

How bigger a target was this new service into one of India’s most important cities?

Mumbai has been one of our biggest unserved routes, with 130,000 passengers currently travelling there indirectly from Manchester, so this route will be a huge boost for them and will connect the north to the world’s fastest-growing economy. The route will also deliver a major boost to businesses looking to export to the world’s fastest-growing economy, as well as helping to attract Indian visitors and investors to Manchester and the wider North.

An example of how important securing direct connections to India were for us was helping to create the Manchester-India partnership, that is chaired by Andrew Cowan, our CEO.

How many routes does Manchester now have to and from the Asian region?

To Asia, we currently have direct services to Beijing with Hainan Airlines, Hong Kong with Cathay Pacific, Singapore with Singapore Airlines and Lahore and Islamabad with PIA.

Beijing was a particularly key route for us and a lot of work had been put in behind the scenes to secure direct flights to mainland China. This has delivered a significant economic reward to the north. It has driven a significant increase in exports, inward investment, and international student numbers into the North.

The Middle East is also well served from Manchester with frequent flights to Dubai, Doha, Abu Dhabi, Jeddah and Muscat.

Are you targeting more routes into Asia and how important is this region to growth?

There are many cities throughout Asia that we believe could be served from Manchester in the future. When you look at the size of the populations in India and China combined with the growing business demands from our catchment area we feel there are further opportunities for additional routes in those countries. Elsewhere, we know there’s significant demand for a direct service to Thailand.



Ethiopian Airlines has also announced a new Boeing 787 Dreamliner route from Addis Ababa as of 1 December – how important is this route?

The new service to Addis Ababa with Ethiopian Airlines is hugely important for us, being our first sub-Saharan African route. This route is not just about Ethiopia, however, as it will unlock connections to more than 58 destinations across the African continent due to Ethiopian’s extensive route network as they fly to more destinations in Africa than any other carrier.

We believe 400,000 people will benefit from this service, as it will serve as a key trade route for Northern businesses, opening up fresh export opportunities and delivering cost and journey time savings to those already operating there.

What other routes do you currently have into Africa and are you looking to add more?

We currently have routes to North Africa with flights to Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt.

There are still a number of routes within Africa that we believe could be served direct from Manchester and we’re always talking to carriers about those opportunities.

Where now are you looking to grow your route network over the next year or two?

In terms of short-haul we expect further growth from our low-cost carriers. We should see more European destinations being opened up and increase in frequencies on our most popular routes.

Further afield there’s a growing demand for direct services and we’d like to see new routes to China and other Asian cities, the USA and increased frequencies on our existing long-haul network.

How much growth has Manchester seen in long-haul routes and traffic over the last few years?

Over the last few years we’ve really seen our long-haul network develop. We now have 13 US destinations having added routes to Boston, Houston, LA, San Francisco and Seattle.

Looking East we’ve seen our service to Hong Kong with Cathay Pacific increase to daily whilst Singapore has gone back to a direct flight with Singapore Airlines. We also launched flights to Beijing which have proved to be hugely successful. Passenger volumes were 15 per cent higher than expected and export values on the route soared by 265 per cent.

The newly announced routes to Mumbai and Addis Ababa further strengthen our long-haul offering.



On the back of these new long-haul routes – are you expecting passenger traffic to grow over the next few years?

We expect passenger numbers to continue to grow over the coming years due the growth potential for both our short-haul and long-haul networks.

What are the latest ongoing airport development projects taking place at Manchester and how are you going to meet higher passenger numbers in future?

We’re in the process of a really exciting £1bn development at Manchester Airport. Terminal 2 will more than double in size to cope with future demand.

The project will introduce the latest in technology with two new security halls, self-service check-in facilities and state of the art services as well as up to 60 new retail and food & beverage outlets giving our passengers and airline customers a world class airport.

By summer 2019 passengers will be using the first new pier and link to the existing terminal, whilst the full terminal extension is scheduled to open in 2020.
 
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Thu May 31, 2018 8:37 pm

The VS expansion that is discussed elsewhere:

https://www.ttgmedia.com/news/virgin-at ... sion-14338

In summary, S19 will see 6 based aircraft (4xB744; 2 x A332).

Routes: new MAN-LAX, 3x weekly on A332, BOS increased to 3x weekly, LAS increased to 4x weekly, MCO 12x weekly, BGI 2x weekly. Sadly, SFO dropped. ATL and JFK remain daily but on the B744 (previously A330). Overall a 20% increase in seat capacity.
 
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Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:01 pm

MAG group's response to the LHR announcement today. CEO of MAN reproduced below.

http://mediacentre.magairports.com/mag- ... ouncement/


MANCHESTER AIRPORT STATEMENT

Andrew Cowan, CEO of Manchester Airport, said:

“We welcome today’s statement from Government confirming its support for airports looking to make best use of existing capacity and agree that it is vital for the UK economy that the country has the best possible international connections

“Manchester Airport has demonstrated the role it can play in connecting the North to key overseas markets through the launch of services to the likes of Hong Kong, Beijing, San Francisco and Boston in recent years and the announcement of new routes to Africa and India in the past few weeks. Manchester is also serving as a second global gateway to the UK for investors and visitors.

“Building on these successes, Manchester Airport is investing more than £1bn in transforming its facilities and unlocking the spare capacity on its exiting two full-length runways.

“It is clear, therefore, that is has a vital role to play in meeting the UK’s demand for connections to global markets at a time when other major airports will have run out of capacity.

“Government must now match its support for a third runway at Heathrow with specific and practical proposals to maximise the potential of airports like Manchester in the period to 2030 – the earliest the third runway is likely to be delivered – and beyond that.

“This includes support for schemes like Northern Powerhouse Rail, which will dramatically improve access to the North’s primary international gateway and help secure dozens more direct long haul services to key overseas economies.”

“It is clear that Manchester Airport has a vital role to play in meeting the UK’s demand for connections to global markets at a time when other major airports will have run out of capacity"

Andrew Cowan, Chief Executive, Manchester Airport
 
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Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:49 am

The Telegraph has come out with a piece on the "curious" places that you can get to from the regions. For MAN, it also includes this:


"nd there’s more to come. Flights to Mumbai with Jet Airways start in November, a service to Riyadh with Saudi Airlines begins on June 23, and from December there will be a link with Addis Ababa courtesy of Ethiopian Airlines."

Spot the route that's not been announced! Nothing non-stop is showing so it's probably the bog standard one-stop option.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/lists/renaissance-of-uk-regional-airports/
 
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Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:10 am

David_itl wrote:
The Telegraph has come out with a piece on the "curious" places that you can get to from the regions. For MAN, it also includes this:


"nd there’s more to come. Flights to Mumbai with Jet Airways start in November, a service to Riyadh with Saudi Airlines begins on June 23, and from December there will be a link with Addis Ababa courtesy of Ethiopian Airlines."

Spot the route that's not been announced! Nothing non-stop is showing so it's probably the bog standard one-stop option.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/lists/renaissance-of-uk-regional-airports/


I recall reading that Riyadh had been announced? https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... a-12639787
 
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Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:00 am

Flown seasonally isn’t it? 2 or 3 a week?
Eagles may soar high, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines!
 
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Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:21 am

The LIS route actually starts a little earlier, on 28th October. Seems a swap from LPL.

FAO now seems a glaring omission from the EasyJet network, as does BCN which is also missing ex-MAN.
 
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Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:24 am

easyJet is starting MAN-LIS from the 4th November, 3x Weekly flights.

Could FAO be announced next, as surprised they don’t operate that route.
 
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Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:00 am

User001 wrote:
The LIS route actually starts a little earlier, on 28th October. Seems a swap from LPL.

FAO now seems a glaring omission from the EasyJet network, as does BCN which is also missing ex-MAN.

My bad as the article I read still says 4th November!
Pity the LPL Route is being axed in favour of MAN as it had healthy loads but maybe they expect MAN to have better yields. I believe Easyjet is a bit frustrated with LIS as slots are hard to get.
MAN-LIS will have 22 weekly flights.
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:56 am

Danfearn77 wrote:
Flown seasonally isn’t it? 2 or 3 a week?


I'll admit my memory may be failing, but I'm sure I've seen it on the departure board, and this MEN article (plus plenty of other articles), but I now can't find it bookable.
 
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Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:40 pm

Riyadh was a seasonal route last summer, 2 weekly on Mon/Fri with B788.

The route was not renewed this year however, so just the 5 weekly JED-MAN will fly.
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:12 pm

David_itl wrote:


Further to this the launch has been delayed by 10 days or thereabouts (delay in line with other changes to the European network).
 
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Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:27 pm

Direct flights to Bengaluru and Delhi to follow Mumbai?

https://inc42.com/features/is-mancheste ... king-west/


Also, although the travel time between London and Manchester will be reduced from the two hours to one after HS2 (High Speed two) project implementation, there is no direct flight between Manchester and India. However, MIP officials have already met Jayant Sinha, minister of civil aviation (state) and the Manchester Airport Authority has announced the launch of direct flights between Mumbai and Manchester from November 5 onwards. Direct flights from Bengaluru and Delhi is expected to be announced soon.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:28 am

Icelandair operating a MAX8 today and tomorrow and I'm pretty sure we're getting the 1st TP A320NEO today and TK doing an A332 tomorrow afternoon.

CAPA have got round to doing a piece on ET and 9W https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/reports/manchester-airport-new-routes-boost-northern-powerhouse-419112 which isn't too bad seeing that there's been some "average" analysis of MAN by them for some time. Straight out of fantasy is the talk of ADD-MAN-GIG (yes, we'll have an African airline operating to South America via northern Europe?!). The only major criticism is the lack of awareness of 9W stating the BOM link doing daily next year though it does have the caveat that certain airlines may lose passengers however stating that up to 4 million passengers are still routing over LHR implies there's scope for more long-haul routes before we will see an impact occurring.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:19 pm

May 2018 passenger volumes slightly down compared to May 2017:

Rolling 12 month total 27,820,567
May 2018 total: 2,492,129
May 2018 % change year on year: -0.7%

http://mediacentre.magairports.com/lond ... ve-growth/
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:10 pm

On Wikipedia (yes, I know, I know!), it says that TG are starting flights to Bangkok on 1st Dec 2018....any truth in this?
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:09 pm

Thai are coming, but it’s not been announced yet. The Wikipedia entry has been deleted again though.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:31 pm

User001 wrote:
Thai are coming, but it’s not been announced yet. The Wikipedia entry has been deleted again though.


Do you/we know when we can expect an announcement? And when there is one, is the start date likely to be the 1st Dec or is that just speculation? Or at this stage is it more likely it would start next year?
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:45 pm

It would be a nice birthday route reveal. Any announcement pre-August would still fit in well for December launch -the bonus of cheaper fares over the Christmas period may offer people the chsnve to visit Thaliand/Australia at that time to escape any cold wearher in the UK.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:07 pm

An update on the TP via twitter.

You can search for #askMANTP my summary is below.

USPC - discussions "very much" ongoing with US authorities and airlines flying to the US.

T1 - expected to close late 2022. Currently no plans to demolish T3.

T2 existing - phased refurbishment over a 2 year period. The building remains operational during this time.

Retail / F&B - discussions with new parties ongoing, announcements likely by end of year.

Still 3x A380 contact gates. Airfield could take up to 5 A380 at any one time.

TCX move to T2 (if T1 is to close by late 2022 presumably all T1 airlines will follow suit).
 
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Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:54 pm

Something that escaped my attention,


"A funding bid was submitted by TfGM earlier this year to extend the Metrolink’s Airport line, which will potentially add an extra stop at Manchester Airport’s Terminal 2.
The bid was submitted in February this year but the Department for Transport is yet to make a decision."

Given that T2 is going to be the main focus of attention, surely even the DfT will recognise that this would be useful and allow funding.

https://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/tfgm-signals-support-for-middleton-metrolink-extension/
 
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Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:34 pm

Quite a lot of news to be taken from a MAN document, see page 33 of the link below. I will try and extract the key points below.

http://mag-umbraco-media-live.s3.amazon ... h-macc.pdf

Jet Airways are considering European growth and following our meeting with them at the ‘Slots conference’ in Madrid back in November 2017, they have been conducting a detailed evaluation of a Mumbai to Manchester operation. We followed this up with a meeting with the Airlines Vice President of Planning at their Head Quarters in Mumbai

[Note - this has now been announced, beginning November (or December - I forget!) 2018 and a move to daily planned for March 2019.]

Air India; we met with the airline Chairman at their headquarters in Delhi. The Chairman was keen to understand our confidence that a three times a week operation to Manchester would not affect Air India traffic to Heathrow/Birmingham. Having demonstrated our genuine conviction and strong business case, the Chairman was optimistic about a Manchester service and we will continue to pursue with the Air India team.

[Note - this predates Jet, it will be interesting to see whether this is a help or a hindrance to Air India and DEL.]

The Oman Air Director of Network and Senior Vice President Network Planning and Revenue Optimisation were met with during the last quarter. Encouragingly they stated that forward sales were showing signs of strengthening, and their feeling was that their brand was beginning to gain traction in the Northern UK market, and that the significant focus on marketing was beginning to realise benefits. It was also advised that from July the service will be changed to operate with a Boeing 787 Dreamliner. This change from Airbus A330-200 will represent a product upgrade which we will look to promote.

[Note - this is positive, and there are signs this service is beginning to embed itself in the marketplace.]

The Singapore Airlines UK General Manager was met in London. We understand that the Singapore–Manchester–Houston service is performing above expectations. More specifically the Singapore sector is performing very well and as such, the Airline are eager to look at ways to increase the current five times a week service to daily.

[Note - assuming the full SIN-MAN-IAH cannot support a daily rotation, it is difficult to see how daily MAN-SIN could be achieved without a newly timed terminator, or another transit flight. IMO each of these options would likely make MAN-SIN more than daily. This could be interesting to watch.]

Routes Asia 2018; the Aviation team attended the conference and had positive meetings with Indigo, SpiceJet, China Southern, Air China, Hainan, JAL, Malaysia Airlines, VietJet, Juneyao Airlines, Shenzhen Airlines, Vietnam Airlines, Air Asia X, Korean Airlines and China Eastern. This conference was an excellent chance to continue mature conversations as well as introduce Manchester to possible new airline customers.

[Note: it is interesting to see the type of airlines MAN is speaking to, presumably with good reason. Thai are conspicuously absent. The likes of Air China, JAL, Korean are particularly interesting as they open up three of the key unserved routes to the Far East in Tokyo, Shanghai and Seoul. Malaysian would be a welcome return, but you'd expect they would aim for the likes of AMS before MAN.]

The LOT Polish decision not to launch Manchester this summer prompted some discussion with their management team. Manchester unfortunately lost out to another major European city. LOT have not cancelled their slots and have made it clear that the launch has been postponed rather than abandoned altogether.

[Note - the other "major European city" is almost certainly LCY. Same aircraft, and schedule as planned at MAN. This is understandable. Good to see the interest in MAN-WAW remains.]
 
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Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:30 pm

Thanks for posting that, it makes for interesting reading.

Hopefully Air India will see Jet starting BOM and try to start DEL, before someone else moves in. DEL is their main hub, just as BOM in Jet's main hub.

Disappointing about LOT Polish, but lets hope as has been quoted that it's just a matter of time. Hopefully they'll make more of a go of MAN this time than just a red eye 0600 departure, like they used to do about ten years ago.

We're still waiting for the Air China PVG service, I understand that they were trying to acquire slots at PVG. Has anyone heard any update on this?
Finally are EL AL still interested in MAN? Or have they put it on the back burner?
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Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:41 am

Happy 79.997th birthday to MAN

Changed beyond recognition in recent years and that will be the sme in the next 5 years. The number of passengers going through the airport n a month now is approaching the total number of passengers we used to get when I first went to the airport (1977 and it's 2.8 million passengers in total!)

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-airport-celebrate-eightieth-birthday-14820294
 
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Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:15 pm

Luftymatt wrote:
Thanks for posting that, it makes for interesting reading.

Hopefully Air India will see Jet starting BOM and try to start DEL, before someone else moves in. DEL is their main hub, just as BOM in Jet's main hub.

Disappointing about LOT Polish, but lets hope as has been quoted that it's just a matter of time. Hopefully they'll make more of a go of MAN this time than just a red eye 0600 departure, like they used to do about ten years ago.

We're still waiting for the Air China PVG service, I understand that they were trying to acquire slots at PVG. Has anyone heard any update on this?
Finally are EL AL still interested in MAN? Or have they put it on the back burner?


No worries - I thought it was an interesting read and glad you enjoyed it.

Re Air India, it sounds positive but I'm wary of an Air China situation (admittedly Air China and Air India are very different beasts). Clearly there is a high level of demand from MAN to India, so if that demand can support daily flights to DEL and BOM it will be great for the region.

Whether this will be repeated in the Chinese market (PVG and CAN on top of PEK) remains to be seen.

LOT - it rather sounds like MAN is in their thinking, but so are other opportunities. Double daily E95 is a major commitment for them so it's good to see MAN in the thinking.

EL AL - no idea. There were rumours of EZY being keen on a major expansion for this summer which fell through. If EZY remain keen on expansion, I'd expect Tel Aviv to be on their radar and this may put El Al off.
 
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Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:40 am

Couple of capacity / frequency updates to relay. Thanks to Scottie Dog.


Qatar - increase frequency from 16 to 18 per week effective 18th September (morning and afternoon flights are daily, evening flight 4x weekly).

Turkish - 24 dates in July/August/September where there are changes from current A321 to either A330 or B777 (the A330 is used in any event on the Monday, Wednesday and Friday afternoon services).
 
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Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:10 pm

Hello everyone

I’ve noticed that Air Tanker are advertising Cabin Crew to be based at MAN for Winter 2018/2019 due to their demand for leasing of their A330.. Does anyone know which Airline they will be operating for? I know TCX have a year round lease with one of their A330 but TCX own cabin crew operate these flights.

I know they covered flights for TUI Netherlands/ Belgium last winter.

Many Thanks
 
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Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:23 pm

Easyjet10 wrote:
Hello everyone

I’ve noticed that Air Tanker are advertising Cabin Crew to be based at MAN for Winter 2018/2019 due to their demand for leasing of their A330.. Does anyone know which Airline they will be operating for? I know TCX have a year round lease with one of their A330 but TCX own cabin crew operate these flights.

I know they covered flights for TUI Netherlands/ Belgium last winter.

Many Thanks


G-GYGL Airbus A330-200 leased by Jet2 from Air Tanker and is based at MAN.

Perhaps this is your answer.
 
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Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:52 pm

Jet2 return VYGL in the winter, as last winter it operated for TUI Netherlands (apart from a few ad-hoc MAN-EWR flights for LS).
 
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Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:56 pm

My mistake then as I was under the impression that Jet2 had extended the charter over the winter period.
 
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:49 am

Time for an update of T2 progress. All images are courtesy of PlaneTalk and should not be copied to any other forums or sites.

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Staff West car park can be seen in the background. The first run of PQ concrete can been seen beyond the Wet Lean and this will form the taxiway on the west side of Pier 1 - serving stands 101-111 (odd numbers) and 112.
 
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:30 pm

Speculated elsewhere that Etihad may be withdrawing its lounge at MAN. I don't know anything more, or whether there is any substance to this, but I don't think it is a secret that Etihad are, in general, struggling somewhat.
 
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:23 pm

I wonder if Etihad end up pulling one of their flights all together in the longer term, whether the morning EK 777 will go to A388. Just a thought.
 
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:48 pm

The morning EK is already an A388. If referring to EY then I think the 2 class B77W they currently use holds more than the A380?
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:17 pm

I assume EY would be reluctant to pull a flight given the major investment in Manchester and the surrounds. Perhaps this commitment has changed, perhaps not.

If the likes of Jet, Ethiopian, Virgin, Thai and others (including Oman) start to make headway into the MEB3's traditional markets from MAN - EY look the worst placed of all to resist.
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:52 pm

May 2018 statistical review

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Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:51 am

Financial results out today headine figure says £107m dividend to shareholders but nothing about profit http://aboutmanchester.co.uk/107m-boost-for-greater-manchesters-councils-as-manchester-airport-group-releases-resilts/
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:51 pm

Routes News

Some possible changes, which may or may not happen, to add to the confirmed new services:

Ethiopian Airlines - Addis Ababa 4 per week, initially via Brussels (this is confirmed).

Jet Airways - already reported as 4 per week to Bombay. Intention is to be daily by March 2019.

Cathay Pacific - increase capacity with an A350-1000 between December & February.

Singapore Airlines - increase the existing Singapore-Manchester-Houston by 1 to 6 per week. Interesting that this also includes Houston, I expected more MAN-SIN capacity but more IAH-SIN/MAN is a slight surprise.

Spicejet - still intend to launch a daily B77W... where is this aircraft coming from?!

United possibly upgrading to B763 on EWR, which would make a welcome change from the usual retrenchment of American carriers (ORD looks to be a gonner).

Finnair - look to be increasing capacity by using the A321 as opposed to the E190. This is a pretty large increase, and I speculate substantially related to Far East transfers over HEL.

Hainan Airlines - once again a rumour of Guangzhou but this has been heard before.

easyJet - based aircraft increase to 14 for winter.

Eurowings - up 1 per week on Cologne and up to 4x daily on Dusseldorf - but down 2 on Hamburg.

KLM - can Amsterdam sustain an extra flight each day?

Primera Air - might they be looking TATL ex MAN? Very uncomfortable following their shenanigans this year. If they intend to look at IAD, that would be a welcome return. EWR, perhaps not so much given the news about United.

Qatar Airways - already reported as increasing to 18 per week - perhaps they will increase to 21x week.
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:50 pm

'United possibly upgrading to B763 on EWR, which would make a welcome change from the usual retrenchment of American carriers (ORD looks to be a gonner).'

United have desperately needed an upgrade on this route for years. It's very often overbooked in business and economy, plus it's rammed with revenue cargo and post office mail (Which is always a big earner for airlines.) I worked with them for a few years and could never understand why they kept it at just a 757. Tickets with UA are never cheap either, so yield must be good.

American upgrading the ORD route to a 787 from a 757/767, and then cancelling makes no sense to me. Is this route definitely confirmed as not coming back? It doesn't seem to add up. Why not keep it seasonal for the time being?
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:04 pm

Luftymatt wrote:
'United possibly upgrading to B763 on EWR, which would make a welcome change from the usual retrenchment of American carriers (ORD looks to be a gonner).'

United have desperately needed an upgrade on this route for years. It's very often overbooked in business and economy, plus it's rammed with revenue cargo and post office mail (Which is always a big earner for airlines.) I worked with them for a few years and could never understand why they kept it at just a 757. Tickets with UA are never cheap either, so yield must be good.

American upgrading the ORD route to a 787 from a 757/767, and then cancelling makes no sense to me. Is this route definitely confirmed as not coming back? It doesn't seem to add up. Why not keep it seasonal for the time being?


United (Continental) have previously had a lot more capacity from MAN.772. 764. And 764 plus a 752 on some days when I worked there.

The problem with Manchester is it's a finite market, as much as many of the fans want X, Y and Z served routes served non-stop, the big hub carriers are mainly carrying connecting passengers to their final destinations. New services create their own market to a limited extent, but more importantly they draw people away from the services to the hubs. A huge number of United/Delta/American Airlines passengers are connecting beyond their US points of entry. I appreciate this isn't news to anyone, or shouldn't be, but I remember the days where Manchester was American's first European destination with the MD-11 in 1992, and even then there was also a 767 some days, and later service to JFK, DFW and MIA. Or Delta with the 777, and Continental with the 777.

Since the market fragmented, the hub carriers suffered the most. Thomas Cook are offering a huge amount of capacity to the USA, and the US-centric hub carriers all compete with one another, as for the majority of people where they change aircraft is less important than price. Plus all the European airlines via their respective hubs. Virgin have some point-to-point, but they almost appear to be competing with their own (Delta) hub routes.

American Airlines have consolidated to PHL since the merger with US Airways - that's their closest proper hub to MAN, and the largest aircraft that they used here. Obviously as part of the Trans Atlantic alliance with BA they have further options to route people to the USA. Total capacity is much less than before, but then the competing capacity is much increased from other carriers. Chicago was a good west coast hub, Philadelphia covers the whole continent better.

United (Continental), similarly have consolidated at EWR, the closest hub to MAN. But like American, capacity is a far cry from what it was, but against a huge amount of competition. Little point carrying people past EWR to IAD to connect, on the 2nd 757. But sad that they're back to the capacity they started with in 1995, after years of DC-10, 777 and 764 service, before shrinking to 2 daily 757 and now single daily 757.

Delta. Probably the most interesting. Now they are tied up with Virgin, the frequencies next winter are awful. I appreciate they are using a 747. But it's clearly the wrong aircraft for winter Trans-Atlantic from MAN, the direct frequencies to their hubs are terrible. Strange they are not using Delta 767s at higher frequencies but similar capacity. I always remember from a Manchester Airport publication in the 1990s that said, if long-haul routes are operated a low-frequency, the majority of traffic will continue to leak via other hubs.

BA get a lot of stick from the MAN crowd, but they soldiered on with the JFK for years. And even had a crack at LAX from 1993-1995. Say what you want, but those routes had to survive on O&D... leisure capacity aside nobody has tried those routes with full Business Class on a non-hub basis since. If you go back to into the late 1980s, they were still serving Orlando, Barbados, Islamabad and Hong Kong... but the market spoke. And so did the economics... far cheaper to fly people to your hub on an appropriate aircraft than to fly a 744 to Manchester several times a week with the connecting pax rattling around.

My main point is the "glory" days for the above airlines at MAN was in a very different competitive environment. Nowadays they are all competing for the same business... far more passengers, but also far more competition.

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Re: MAN news - 2018

Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:55 am

Crosswind

I just wanted to congratulate you on your excellent post, very informative and well written and a very good summary of Transatlantic from Manchester.

Your post and it's context is what airliners.net is all about it's just a shame that we don't read such interesting posts like yours anymore on this site.

You summarised the situation at Manchester perfectly and it was a pleasure to read :-)
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:13 pm

DobboDobbo wrote:
Routes News

Some possible changes, which may or may not happen, to add to the confirmed new services:

Ethiopian Airlines - Addis Ababa 4 per week, initially via Brussels (this is confirmed).

Jet Airways - already reported as 4 per week to Bombay. Intention is to be daily by March 2019.

Cathay Pacific - increase capacity with an A350-1000 between December & February.

Singapore Airlines - increase the existing Singapore-Manchester-Houston by 1 to 6 per week. Interesting that this also includes Houston, I expected more MAN-SIN capacity but more IAH-SIN/MAN is a slight surprise.

Spicejet - still intend to launch a daily B77W... where is this aircraft coming from?!

United possibly upgrading to B763 on EWR, which would make a welcome change from the usual retrenchment of American carriers (ORD looks to be a gonner).

Finnair - look to be increasing capacity by using the A321 as opposed to the E190. This is a pretty large increase, and I speculate substantially related to Far East transfers over HEL.

Hainan Airlines - once again a rumour of Guangzhou but this has been heard before.

easyJet - based aircraft increase to 14 for winter.

Eurowings - up 1 per week on Cologne and up to 4x daily on Dusseldorf - but down 2 on Hamburg.

KLM - can Amsterdam sustain an extra flight each day?

Primera Air - might they be looking TATL ex MAN? Very uncomfortable following their shenanigans this year. If they intend to look at IAD, that would be a welcome return. EWR, perhaps not so much given the news about United.

Qatar Airways - already reported as increasing to 18 per week - perhaps they will increase to 21x week.


If the offers on MAN-HEL-Far East I’ve been seeing are anything to go by, I’d agree with you regarding Finnair. Some routes are £100 less than the next cheapest carrier at the moment.
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:03 am

Crosswind wrote:
Luftymatt wrote:
'United possibly upgrading to B763 on EWR, which would make a welcome change from the usual retrenchment of American carriers (ORD looks to be a gonner).'

United have desperately needed an upgrade on this route for years. It's very often overbooked in business and economy, plus it's rammed with revenue cargo and post office mail (Which is always a big earner for airlines.) I worked with them for a few years and could never understand why they kept it at just a 757. Tickets with UA are never cheap either, so yield must be good.

American upgrading the ORD route to a 787 from a 757/767, and then cancelling makes no sense to me. Is this route definitely confirmed as not coming back? It doesn't seem to add up. Why not keep it seasonal for the time being?


United (Continental) have previously had a lot more capacity from MAN.772. 764. And 764 plus a 752 on some days when I worked there.

The problem with Manchester is it's a finite market, as much as many of the fans want X, Y and Z served routes served non-stop, the big hub carriers are mainly carrying connecting passengers to their final destinations. New services create their own market to a limited extent, but more importantly they draw people away from the services to the hubs. A huge number of United/Delta/American Airlines passengers are connecting beyond their US points of entry. I appreciate this isn't news to anyone, or shouldn't be, but I remember the days where Manchester was American's first European destination with the MD-11 in 1992, and even then there was also a 767 some days, and later service to JFK, DFW and MIA. Or Delta with the 777, and Continental with the 777.

Since the market fragmented, the hub carriers suffered the most. Thomas Cook are offering a huge amount of capacity to the USA, and the US-centric hub carriers all compete with one another, as for the majority of people where they change aircraft is less important than price. Plus all the European airlines via their respective hubs. Virgin have some point-to-point, but they almost appear to be competing with their own (Delta) hub routes.

American Airlines have consolidated to PHL since the merger with US Airways - that's their closest proper hub to MAN, and the largest aircraft that they used here. Obviously as part of the Trans Atlantic alliance with BA they have further options to route people to the USA. Total capacity is much less than before, but then the competing capacity is much increased from other carriers. Chicago was a good west coast hub, Philadelphia covers the whole continent better.

United (Continental), similarly have consolidated at EWR, the closest hub to MAN. But like American, capacity is a far cry from what it was, but against a huge amount of competition. Little point carrying people past EWR to IAD to connect, on the 2nd 757. But sad that they're back to the capacity they started with in 1995, after years of DC-10, 777 and 764 service, before shrinking to 2 daily 757 and now single daily 757.

Delta. Probably the most interesting. Now they are tied up with Virgin, the frequencies next winter are awful. I appreciate they are using a 747. But it's clearly the wrong aircraft for winter Trans-Atlantic from MAN, the direct frequencies to their hubs are terrible. Strange they are not using Delta 767s at higher frequencies but similar capacity. I always remember from a Manchester Airport publication in the 1990s that said, if long-haul routes are operated a low-frequency, the majority of traffic will continue to leak via other hubs.

BA get a lot of stick from the MAN crowd, but they soldiered on with the JFK for years. And even had a crack at LAX from 1993-1995. Say what you want, but those routes had to survive on O&D... leisure capacity aside nobody has tried those routes with full Business Class on a non-hub basis since. If you go back to into the late 1980s, they were still serving Orlando, Barbados, Islamabad and Hong Kong... but the market spoke. And so did the economics... far cheaper to fly people to your hub on an appropriate aircraft than to fly a 744 to Manchester several times a week with the connecting pax rattling around.

My main point is the "glory" days for the above airlines at MAN was in a very different competitive environment. Nowadays they are all competing for the same business... far more passengers, but also far more competition.

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Pretty much spot on!

I want to make one minor correction, CO never scheduled 764+752, although the occasional 764 might have shown up as a sub. The original summer season when they went double daily (2005?) was scheduled as 762+752 and the route then went 752+752. In the Continental configuration the 762 and 752 had almost exactly the same number of seats so using 757s to MAN made more sense to save the 767s for further markets such as FCO and ATH. Therefore regardless of whether it was 762/752 or 752/752 the double daily marked the high point of CO/UA capacity to MAN and now in 2018 they have less capacity than at any point since 1996. The route went 752, D10, 772, 764, 772, then double daily EWR, then EWR+IAD. Now back to a 757 to EWR.

If you look at AA+US they also have less capacity this year than they have since the late 90s for the same reasons.
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:10 pm

Qatar Airways to go 18 weekly from October 28th, with the morning flight increasing from 5 weekly to daily.

At the same time, the A350-900 will be introduced on the morning and afternoon flights. The evening flight remains B788.
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:46 pm

Focus on Virgin by Travel Weekly

"“We will have up to six flights a day to the US from Manchester. We see it as a huge opportunity. There is huge leisure traffic, but Manchester is also an opportunity for us in the SME [small and medium-enterprise business travel] space, to Boston in particular. There are differences between the Heathrow and Manchester markets.Manchester is predominantly a UK point-of-sale market. " 10% of passengers connecting onto Delta flights in the US.

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/307239/special-report-virgin-atlantic-ramps-up-us-services


And anna.aero's spotlighted Jet2 operations. 600,000 seats added after 2015 after the preceding 3 years were stable. 34 extra weekly services this year compared to last year.

http://www.anna.aero/2018/07/09/jet2-com-biggest-base-mancheser-analysed-palma-de-mallorca-1-route-and-spain-remains-biggest-market/
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:12 pm

User001 wrote:
Qatar Airways to go 18 weekly from October 28th, with the morning flight increasing from 5 weekly to daily.

At the same time, the A350-900 will be introduced on the morning and afternoon flights. The evening flight remains B788.


Glad this has come to fruition after me speculating a couple of pages back.
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:08 am

It seems QR is 18 weekly from 18th Septrmber per airlineroute.
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:00 am

A Belavia CRJ-200 tomorrow at 10.50h with a football team from Belarus, Shakhtyor Soligorsk for a game somewhere in North Wales:

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Re: MAN news - 2018

Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:22 am

User001 wrote:
Qatar Airways to go 18 weekly from October 28th, with the morning flight increasing from 5 weekly to daily.

At the same time, the A350-900 will be introduced on the morning and afternoon flights. The evening flight remains B788.


The frequency increase has been widely reported, but the swap to A359 for the majority of flights is an added bonus! Great news!
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